"However, clear seeing does provide the impetus to deliberately work to deprive bad habits of their motive energy and replace them with good habits of > thought, word and deed. This is in line with the Korean Son approach of Instant Enlightenment/Gradual Cultivation."
Steve, You Will not be surprised, then, to learn that what little formal training in Zen I have received comes from a Korean lineage. <grin> http://www.kwanumzen.org/dssn/ http://www.kwanumzen.org/teachers/teachers-body.html#seong-hyang http://www.kwanumzen.org/teachers/teachers-body.html#seong-hyang Dana ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteveW" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 9:33 PM Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? > > > --- In [email protected], "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie3@...> wrote: >> >> "In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that wisdom, compassion will emerge >> from >> the practice of shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true >> nature." >> >> >> Read as a claim of empirical fact, I'm not sure if the above is true or >> not; >> or where the evidence would be, either way. But, the more I reflect on >> it, >> the more I suspect there might not be much of a muchness between what >> each >> of us is saying, after all. >> >> >> >> Does one's time on the cushion cultivating Buddha mind, by itself, >> naturally result in benevalent, compassionate, and wise action when off >> the >> cushion; or does deliberate cultivation of these virtues when off the >> cushion supplement one's cultivation of Buddha mind when on the cushion? >> I >> suspect that here, again, we have a virtuous circle, as regards a theory >> of >> causation. >> >> >> >> But, as regards pragmatic "recommendations" to the student/practitioner, >> beyond the practice of zazen, itself (the original question, I believe), >> I >> think it is often helpful to focus on the cultivation, in every-day life >> off >> the cushion, of loving kindness, compassion, wisdom, sympathetic joy, and >> equanimity, quite apart from one's sitting practice. A sitting practice >> alone will usually grow stale and arid, at some point. When this happens, >> I >> don't fight it, forcing myself to sit despite my lack of enthusiasm for >> doing so. Instead, I shift my focus to some other practice, bowing, >> chanting, deliberate cultivation, in every-day life, of the virtues >> already >> listed, , etc. When the cushion begins to call to me once again, I know i >> am >> ready to shift my practice back again, to include more time on the >> cushion. >> >> >> >> Dana >> >> Hi Dana. I tend to agree with you on this, particularly with the > idea of a "virtuous circle". One reason is that, in my personal > life, I have not noticed that clear seeing, in itself, is enough to > eliminate negative habits of thought, speech and action. However, > clear seeing does provide the impetus to deliberately work to deprive bad > habits of their motive energy and replace them with good habits of > thought, word and deed. This is in line with the Korean Son approach > of Instant Enlightenment/Gradual Cultivation. > Steve >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > __________ NOD32 5854 (20110207) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
