Anthony,

I now see you have no nose to be tweaked.

Does your demon also protect you from unenlightened beings?

...Bill!

--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
>
> Bill,
> 
> I am safe, as I have hired a demon to protect me from attacks by enlightened 
> beings. 
> 
> To challenge you more, I make the following statement on YOUR behalf:
> 
> Compassion and wisdom are products of dualism. You should eliminate them from 
> your vocabulary after your satori. If you kill, you must do it with cold 
> blood. There is no felony to commit if you do anything such as killing, 
> burning, looting with clear mind and without any dualistic mindset like 
> compassion and wisdom.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote:
> 
> > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...>
> > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock?
> > To: [email protected]
> > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:21 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> >     
> >       
> >       
> >       Anthony,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Come closer and I'll tweak your nose!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ...Bill!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected],
> > Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > ED,
> > 
> > >  
> > 
> > > You say, "
> > 
> > > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that
> > wisdom, compassion will emerge from the practice of
> > shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true
> > nature."
> > 
> > >  
> > 
> > > Bill,
> > 
> > > I need your comment on this.
> > 
> > >  
> > 
> > > Anthony
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > --- On Tue, 8/2/11, ED <seacrofter001@>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > From: ED <seacrofter001@>
> > 
> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock?
> > 
> > > To: [email protected]
> > 
> > > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:50 AM
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > >   
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected],
> > "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie3@> wrote:
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > To zazen, I would add the cultivation of loving
> > kindness, compassion, and
> > 
> > > wisdom, as embodied in our lives off the cushion. To
> > be sure, these flow
> > 
> > > naturally from Buddha mind. But buddha mind evolves
> > out of their
> > 
> > > cultivation. It's a virtuous circle!
> > 
> > > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that
> > wisdom, compassion will emerge from the practice of
> > shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true
> > nature.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > I have never formally been a student at The
> > Providence Zen Center, or the
> > 
> > > Kwan Um School of Zen:
> > 
> > > http://www.providencezen.org/
> > 
> > > http://www.kwanumzen.org/
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > But I have practice zazen with, and learned much
> > from teachers, associated
> > 
> > > with this lineage, on and off, over many years.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > Of course, there are MANY, MANY other Zen
> > teachers and training centers in
> > 
> > > America. Google will lead you to scores of them.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Yes, and I was interested in knowing if there is any
> > zen center that advocates 'zen' without any
> > mention Buddha's teachings.
> > 
> > > --ED
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Bill,
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Does 'zen' involve just doing zazen
> > (shikantaza) practice?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Are there any other recommendations, whether derived
> > from Buddhism or
> > 
> > > elsewhere?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Is a teacher or guide required?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Is there any material on 'zen' on the
> > Internet?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Are there currently any 'zen' teachers in the
> > US that you are aware of?
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Thanks, ED
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > Kristy,
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > Most of the time when I use the a phrase like
> > 'the zen I practice' it
> > 
> > > is really just to signal everyone that I'm not
> > claiming I am the
> > 
> > > official spokesman for traditional Zen Buddhism. I do
> > claim however to
> > 
> > > be the official spokesman for 'the zen I
> > practice' and do feel very
> > 
> > > confident in talking about it.
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > Put simply I beleive 'the zen I practice'
> > is Zen Buddhsim without the
> > 
> > > Buddhism. That's why I always distinguish between
> > 'the zen I practice'
> > 
> > > (lower case 'z') and the proper name Zen
> > Buddhism (with an upper case
> > 
> > > 'Z').
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > So...if you can think about zen as including
> > practices that are not
> > 
> > > specific to Buddhism - like zazen; while not including
> > things that are
> > 
> > > specific to Buddhism - like the Eightfold Path and
> > enlightenment, then
> > 
> > > that's all it is.
> > 
> > > >
> > 
> > > > ...Bill!
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > > --- In [email protected],
> > Kristy McClain healthyplay1@ wrote:
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > Hi Bill,
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > You often refer to "the zen you
> > practice", as in the following:
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > > To answer your question, anything that
> > involves observing does not
> > 
> > > sound like zen to me. In the zen I practice there are
> > no dualities such
> > 
> > > as observer/observed (subject/object)...Bill!
> > 
> > > > > >
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > Would you be willing to share how you do
> > this, or give an example?
> > 
> > > > >
> > 
> > > > > Thanks.. ~K
> > 
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