Anthony, I now see you have no nose to be tweaked.
Does your demon also protect you from unenlightened beings? ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > I am safe, as I have hired a demon to protect me from attacks by enlightened > beings. > > To challenge you more, I make the following statement on YOUR behalf: > > Compassion and wisdom are products of dualism. You should eliminate them from > your vocabulary after your satori. If you kill, you must do it with cold > blood. There is no felony to commit if you do anything such as killing, > burning, looting with clear mind and without any dualistic mindset like > compassion and wisdom. > > Anthony > > --- On Tue, 8/2/11, Bill! <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:21 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anthony, > > > > > > > > Come closer and I'll tweak your nose! > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > You say, " > > > > > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that > > wisdom, compassionÃÂ will emerge from the practice of > > shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true > > nature." > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > Bill, > > > > > I need your comment on this. > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 8/2/11, ED <seacrofter001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ED <seacrofter001@> > > > > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Spock? > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Date: Tuesday, 8 February, 2011, 5:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > "Dana S. Leslie" <dsleslie3@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > To zazen, I would add the cultivation of loving > > kindness, compassion, and > > > > > wisdom, as embodied in our lives off the cushion. To > > be sure, these flow > > > > > naturally from Buddha mind. But buddha mind evolves > > out of their > > > > > cultivation. It's a virtuous circle! > > > > > In 'zen' or 'Zen', it is believed that > > wisdom, compassionÃÂ will emerge from the practice of > > shikantaza itself, and the experiencing of one's true > > nature. > > > > > > > > > > > I have never formally been a student at The > > Providence Zen Center, or the > > > > > Kwan Um School of Zen: > > > > > http://www.providencezen.org/ > > > > > http://www.kwanumzen.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > But I have practice zazen with, and learned much > > from teachers, associated > > > > > with this lineage, on and off, over many years. > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, there are MANY, MANY other Zen > > teachers and training centers in > > > > > America. Google will lead you to scores of them. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, and I was interested in knowing if there is any > > zen center that advocates 'zen' without any > > mentionÃÂ Buddha's teachings. > > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > Does 'zen' involve just doing zazen > > (shikantaza) practice? > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other recommendations, whether derived > > from Buddhism or > > > > > elsewhere? > > > > > > > > > > Is a teacher or guide required? > > > > > > > > > > Is there any material on 'zen' on the > > Internet? > > > > > > > > > > Are there currently any 'zen' teachers in the > > US that you are aware of? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, ED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kristy, > > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the time when I use the a phrase like > > 'the zen I practice' it > > > > > is really just to signal everyone that I'm not > > claiming I am the > > > > > official spokesman for traditional Zen Buddhism. I do > > claim however to > > > > > be the official spokesman for 'the zen I > > practice' and do feel very > > > > > confident in talking about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Put simply I beleive 'the zen I practice' > > is Zen Buddhsim without the > > > > > Buddhism. That's why I always distinguish between > > 'the zen I practice' > > > > > (lower case 'z') and the proper name Zen > > Buddhism (with an upper case > > > > > 'Z'). > > > > > > > > > > > > So...if you can think about zen as including > > practices that are not > > > > > specific to Buddhism - like zazen; while not including > > things that are > > > > > specific to Buddhism - like the Eightfold Path and > > enlightenment, then > > > > > that's all it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > > Kristy McClain healthyplay1@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You often refer to "the zen you > > practice", as in the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer your question, anything that > > involves observing does not > > > > > sound like zen to me. In the zen I practice there are > > no dualities such > > > > > as observer/observed (subject/object)...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you be willing to share how you do > > this, or give an example? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks.. ~K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
