Learn to read man
--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Rewrisk,
>
> I'm disappointed to learn that you hope I will continue to disappoint you.
> So I guess your hopes have already at least partially been realized.
>
> I like being likened to ambiguity. That means I'm not fixed or set in my
> ways. I'm flexible. I wax and wane, ebb and flow with the Tao.
>
> But I am sometimes disappointed...
>
> ...Bill!
>
> --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure you will Bill as I will continue to hope.
> >
> > Bill?
> > You are the ambiguity!
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rewrisk,
> > >
> > > Sorry to disappoint you, but I call them as I see them.
> > >
> > > Unless you write more clearly or take the time to explain how you are
> > > using ambiguous terms I can't guarantee I won't disappoint you again.
> > >
> > > But I'll keep trying...Bill!
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your the only one here who seems to have trouble with meaning and words
> > > > Bill. Honestly mate? I think I am talking to a mule.
> > > > As for interpreting it is misinterpreting to take what is given from
> > > > it's context.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rewrisk,
> > > > >
> > > > > I interpreted your term 'savior' as associated with Buddha Nature,
> > > > > not simply in methods applied to find your next meal.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you are not
> > > > > doing zazen. Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your
> > > > > attachments to the products of your mind's functions. This is
> > > > > usually first done by halting them. By 'your mind's functions' I
> > > > > mean the activities of your discriminating (rational) mind that
> > > > > creates dualities such as good/bad, self/other, etc...
> > > > >
> > > > > Since this is a zen forum I assume the context is zen. Are you
> > > > > posting in another context?
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm afraid that I must dispute your first statement.
> > > > > > The reality is that since the creation of the first rudimentry
> > > > > > tools such creative endeavour has markedly improved life for people.
> > > > > > If I would live? Then I must breath, this requires effort.
> > > > > > If I would live? Then I must drink water, this requires effort.
> > > > > > If I would live? Then I must eat, this requires effort.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I disagree with the Buddha's suicidal theology.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Secondly I do not meditate to halt my minds functions as my mind
> > > > > > see's ceaselessly to the needs of my body. But to be aware of it. I
> > > > > > control my mind so that it does not interfere with functions I
> > > > > > become aware of. I control my mind so that in the fullness of
> > > > > > awareness I can take steps to adress the limitations of hard wired
> > > > > > reflexive instincts. I control my mind so that I can decide what
> > > > > > course my life takes rather than leaving it to those primitive
> > > > > > instincts in the vain hope that instinct will serve me better than
> > > > > > I can serve myself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Finally I realise the context in which your statement is true is
> > > > > > valid.
> > > > > > But is that context the situation here Bill?
> > > > > > The instinct to prey upon others is the most rudimentry.
> > > > > > Mammals begin life eating thier mothers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ED,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your
> > > > > > > desire for control.
> > > > > > > Discover you have no self to discipline.
> > > > > > > Just be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No need to jump, you are already there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Practical creative endeavour has always been man's saviour.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For enlightenment meditate to understand your minds function
> > > > > > > > and how to exercise effective control over it.
> > > > > > > > Strengthen your will with self discipline.
> > > > > > > > Aquaint yourself with humility.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then Jump.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew meaning.
> > > > > > > > > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy instinctive.
> > > > > > > > > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind.
> > > > > > > > > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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