Rewrisk, if you could only see how hard that made me laugh just now. Oh man, I am still laughing as I write. I like your piss & vinegar (a deep compliment, seriously) approach to Zen. After all, it is good old fashioned elbow grease that makes things happen, is it not?
--- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@...> wrote: > > Your the only one here who seems to have trouble with meaning and words Bill. > Honestly mate? I think I am talking to a mule. > As for interpreting it is misinterpreting to take what is given from it's > context. > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Rewrisk, > > > > I interpreted your term 'savior' as associated with Buddha Nature, not > > simply in methods applied to find your next meal. > > > > If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you are not doing > > zazen. Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your attachments to the > > products of your mind's functions. This is usually first done by halting > > them. By 'your mind's functions' I mean the activities of your > > discriminating (rational) mind that creates dualities such as good/bad, > > self/other, etc... > > > > Since this is a zen forum I assume the context is zen. Are you posting in > > another context? > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that I must dispute your first statement. > > > The reality is that since the creation of the first rudimentry tools such > > > creative endeavour has markedly improved life for people. > > > If I would live? Then I must breath, this requires effort. > > > If I would live? Then I must drink water, this requires effort. > > > If I would live? Then I must eat, this requires effort. > > > > > > I disagree with the Buddha's suicidal theology. > > > > > > Secondly I do not meditate to halt my minds functions as my mind see's > > > ceaselessly to the needs of my body. But to be aware of it. I control my > > > mind so that it does not interfere with functions I become aware of. I > > > control my mind so that in the fullness of awareness I can take steps to > > > adress the limitations of hard wired reflexive instincts. I control my > > > mind so that I can decide what course my life takes rather than leaving > > > it to those primitive instincts in the vain hope that instinct will serve > > > me better than I can serve myself. > > > > > > Finally I realise the context in which your statement is true is valid. > > > But is that context the situation here Bill? > > > The instinct to prey upon others is the most rudimentry. > > > Mammals begin life eating thier mothers. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior. > > > > > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your desire > > > > for control. > > > > Discover you have no self to discipline. > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > No need to jump, you are already there. > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Do? > > > > > > > > > > Practical creative endeavour has always been man's saviour. > > > > > > > > > > For enlightenment meditate to understand your minds function and how > > > > > to exercise effective control over it. > > > > > Strengthen your will with self discipline. > > > > > Aquaint yourself with humility. > > > > > > > > > > Then Jump. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew meaning. > > > > > > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy instinctive. > > > > > > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind. > > > > > > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
