No but
, maybe
--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Rewrisk,
> Perhaps instead of writing "I'm sure you will Bill as I will continue to
> hope" you would have written 'I'm sure you will Bill but I will continue
> to hope" my reading ability would have been more acceptable to you.
> ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Learn to read man
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" BillSmart@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Rewrisk,
> > >
> > > I'm disappointed to learn that you hope I will continue to
> disappoint you. So I guess your hopes have already at least partially
> been realized.
> > >
> > > I like being likened to ambiguity. That means I'm not fixed or set
> in my ways. I'm flexible. I wax and wane, ebb and flow with the Tao.
> > >
> > > But I am sometimes disappointed...
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure you will Bill as I will continue to hope.
> > > >
> > > > Bill?
> > > > You are the ambiguity!
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Rewrisk,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry to disappoint you, but I call them as I see them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unless you write more clearly or take the time to explain how
> you are using ambiguous terms I can't guarantee I won't disappoint you
> again.
> > > > >
> > > > > But I'll keep trying...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your the only one here who seems to have trouble with meaning
> and words Bill. Honestly mate? I think I am talking to a mule.
> > > > > > As for interpreting it is misinterpreting to take what is
> given from it's context.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rewrisk,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I interpreted your term 'savior' as associated with Buddha
> Nature, not simply in methods applied to find your next meal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you
> are not doing zazen. Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your
> attachments to the products of your mind's functions. This is usually
> first done by halting them. By 'your mind's functions' I mean the
> activities of your discriminating (rational) mind that creates dualities
> such as good/bad, self/other, etc...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since this is a zen forum I assume the context is zen. Are
> you posting in another context?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm afraid that I must dispute your first statement.
> > > > > > > > The reality is that since the creation of the first
> rudimentry tools such creative endeavour has markedly improved life for
> people.
> > > > > > > > If I would live? Then I must breath, this requires effort.
> > > > > > > > If I would live? Then I must drink water, this requires
> effort.
> > > > > > > > If I would live? Then I must eat, this requires effort.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I disagree with the Buddha's suicidal theology.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Secondly I do not meditate to halt my minds functions as
> my mind see's ceaselessly to the needs of my body. But to be aware of
> it. I control my mind so that it does not interfere with functions I
> become aware of. I control my mind so that in the fullness of awareness
> I can take steps to adress the limitations of hard wired reflexive
> instincts. I control my mind so that I can decide what course my life
> takes rather than leaving it to those primitive instincts in the vain
> hope that instinct will serve me better than I can serve myself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Finally I realise the context in which your statement is
> true is valid.
> > > > > > > > But is that context the situation here Bill?
> > > > > > > > The instinct to prey upon others is the most rudimentry.
> > > > > > > > Mammals begin life eating thier mothers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ED,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and
> discard your desire for control.
> > > > > > > > > Discover you have no self to discipline.
> > > > > > > > > Just be.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No need to jump, you are already there.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Practical creative endeavour has always been man's
> saviour.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > For enlightenment meditate to understand your minds
> function and how to exercise effective control over it.
> > > > > > > > > > Strengthen your will with self discipline.
> > > > > > > > > > Aquaint yourself with humility.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Then Jump.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED"
> <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk"
> <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew
> meaning.
> > > > > > > > > > > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy
> instinctive.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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