I would not take offense........ I hope
--- In [email protected], "mattmodrow" <fourforsure@...> wrote:
>
> Rewrisk, if you could only see how hard that made me laugh just now. Oh man,
> I am still laughing as I write. I like your piss & vinegar (a deep
> compliment, seriously) approach to Zen. After all, it is good old fashioned
> elbow grease that makes things happen, is it not?
>
> --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> >
> > Your the only one here who seems to have trouble with meaning and words
> > Bill. Honestly mate? I think I am talking to a mule.
> > As for interpreting it is misinterpreting to take what is given from it's
> > context.
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rewrisk,
> > >
> > > I interpreted your term 'savior' as associated with Buddha Nature, not
> > > simply in methods applied to find your next meal.
> > >
> > > If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you are not
> > > doing zazen. Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your attachments
> > > to the products of your mind's functions. This is usually first done by
> > > halting them. By 'your mind's functions' I mean the activities of your
> > > discriminating (rational) mind that creates dualities such as good/bad,
> > > self/other, etc...
> > >
> > > Since this is a zen forum I assume the context is zen. Are you posting
> > > in another context?
> > >
> > > ...Bill!
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm afraid that I must dispute your first statement.
> > > > The reality is that since the creation of the first rudimentry tools
> > > > such creative endeavour has markedly improved life for people.
> > > > If I would live? Then I must breath, this requires effort.
> > > > If I would live? Then I must drink water, this requires effort.
> > > > If I would live? Then I must eat, this requires effort.
> > > >
> > > > I disagree with the Buddha's suicidal theology.
> > > >
> > > > Secondly I do not meditate to halt my minds functions as my mind see's
> > > > ceaselessly to the needs of my body. But to be aware of it. I control
> > > > my mind so that it does not interfere with functions I become aware of.
> > > > I control my mind so that in the fullness of awareness I can take steps
> > > > to adress the limitations of hard wired reflexive instincts. I control
> > > > my mind so that I can decide what course my life takes rather than
> > > > leaving it to those primitive instincts in the vain hope that instinct
> > > > will serve me better than I can serve myself.
> > > >
> > > > Finally I realise the context in which your statement is true is valid.
> > > > But is that context the situation here Bill?
> > > > The instinct to prey upon others is the most rudimentry.
> > > > Mammals begin life eating thier mothers.
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ED,
> > > > >
> > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and discard your
> > > > > desire for control.
> > > > > Discover you have no self to discipline.
> > > > > Just be.
> > > > >
> > > > > No need to jump, you are already there.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Bill!
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Practical creative endeavour has always been man's saviour.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For enlightenment meditate to understand your minds function and
> > > > > > how to exercise effective control over it.
> > > > > > Strengthen your will with self discipline.
> > > > > > Aquaint yourself with humility.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then Jump.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew meaning.
> > > > > > > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy instinctive.
> > > > > > > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind.
> > > > > > > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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