...and maybe not I'd love to play word games with you all day but I've got some other chores I need to attend to...Later...Bill!
--- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@...> wrote: > > No but > , maybe > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Rewrisk, > > Perhaps instead of writing "I'm sure you will Bill as I will continue to > > hope" you would have written 'I'm sure you will Bill but I will continue > > to hope" my reading ability would have been more acceptable to you. > > ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Learn to read man > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" BillSmart@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Rewrisk, > > > > > > > > I'm disappointed to learn that you hope I will continue to > > disappoint you. So I guess your hopes have already at least partially > > been realized. > > > > > > > > I like being likened to ambiguity. That means I'm not fixed or set > > in my ways. I'm flexible. I wax and wane, ebb and flow with the Tao. > > > > > > > > But I am sometimes disappointed... > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you will Bill as I will continue to hope. > > > > > > > > > > Bill? > > > > > You are the ambiguity! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Rewrisk, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to disappoint you, but I call them as I see them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless you write more clearly or take the time to explain how > > you are using ambiguous terms I can't guarantee I won't disappoint you > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I'll keep trying...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your the only one here who seems to have trouble with meaning > > and words Bill. Honestly mate? I think I am talking to a mule. > > > > > > > As for interpreting it is misinterpreting to take what is > > given from it's context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rewrisk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I interpreted your term 'savior' as associated with Buddha > > Nature, not simply in methods applied to find your next meal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you do not meditate to halt your mind's functions the you > > are not doing zazen. Just to be clear by 'halt' I mean 'sever your > > attachments to the products of your mind's functions. This is usually > > first done by halting them. By 'your mind's functions' I mean the > > activities of your discriminating (rational) mind that creates dualities > > such as good/bad, self/other, etc... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since this is a zen forum I assume the context is zen. Are > > you posting in another context? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid that I must dispute your first statement. > > > > > > > > > The reality is that since the creation of the first > > rudimentry tools such creative endeavour has markedly improved life for > > people. > > > > > > > > > If I would live? Then I must breath, this requires effort. > > > > > > > > > If I would live? Then I must drink water, this requires > > effort. > > > > > > > > > If I would live? Then I must eat, this requires effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I disagree with the Buddha's suicidal theology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly I do not meditate to halt my minds functions as > > my mind see's ceaselessly to the needs of my body. But to be aware of > > it. I control my mind so that it does not interfere with functions I > > become aware of. I control my mind so that in the fullness of awareness > > I can take steps to adress the limitations of hard wired reflexive > > instincts. I control my mind so that I can decide what course my life > > takes rather than leaving it to those primitive instincts in the vain > > hope that instinct will serve me better than I can serve myself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally I realise the context in which your statement is > > true is valid. > > > > > > > > > But is that context the situation here Bill? > > > > > > > > > The instinct to prey upon others is the most rudimentry. > > > > > > > > > Mammals begin life eating thier mothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ED, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Abandoning effort has always been man's savior. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meditate (zazen) to halt your mind's functions and > > discard your desire for control. > > > > > > > > > > Discover you have no self to discipline. > > > > > > > > > > Just be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No need to jump, you are already there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" <rewrisk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practical creative endeavour has always been man's > > saviour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For enlightenment meditate to understand your minds > > function and how to exercise effective control over it. > > > > > > > > > > > Strengthen your will with self discipline. > > > > > > > > > > > Aquaint yourself with humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then Jump. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "ED" > > <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What should we do to be saved? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "rewrisk" > > <rewrisk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you were a child you heard the word and knew > > meaning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the mind is lazy, conservation of energy > > instinctive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you have a dictionary for a mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now knowing the meaning of words you hear nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! 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