On 6/18/2012 5:54 AM, Anthony Wu wrote:
K/Joe,
I am in agreement with all your remarks, except K's last sentence:
None of this is vehicle or obstacle to realization.
Anthony
OK, how about all of these are vehicles AND obstacles to realization?
Same thing seen with Daruma's other eye.
Otherwise, if forming judgements of - agreements and disagreements with
- paths and practices, of self's and others' there is only
discrimination posing as discernment.
Wherever "your" 'vehicle' appears to take you, if you never get out you,
you are either still too comfortable in the drivers seat to realize your
destination, or still ignorant that you never left.
It is common to mistake "the darma" for Dharma, and cling to teachings
and practices.
This is not a suggestion not to learn/practice, or not to have opinions,
but to look into the nature of such things, and to not form attachments,
so you do not become/remain stuck and unable to realize their potential.
I am not saying this specifically to you, either. In this, you serve as
vehicle.
Thank you,
K
*From:* Kristopher Grey <[email protected]>
*To:* [email protected]
*Sent:* Monday, 18 June 2012, 13:04
*Subject:* Re: [Zen] Speaking of Compassion
Hinduism, is contained in the Vedas.
Vedanta is 'beyond/outside the Vedas'
Buddhism, is radical Neo-Vedanta
Tibetan Buddism, is Bon Buddhism.
Ch'an Buddhism is Taoist Buddhism
Zen Buddhism is Shintoist Taoist Buddhism
Western Zen Buddhism sells more T-shirts.
None of this is vehicle, or obstacle to realization.
K
On 6/17/2012 8:30 PM, Joe wrote:
Anthony,
To me, Tibetan Buddhism is not quite Buddhism. The influence that
the native Bon religion has had on the Buddhism that was received
from India is still determinative. I don't criticize Tibetan
practice; but I could never get straight their CHANTING, though I
tried it while I stayed at a Tib. temple in Hawai'i, each day, on the
Big Island, for a few weeks. It's harder than Sheng Yen's Chinese
ritual was for me, by far! (but I hung out with him for 30 years.
Only a few weeks in HI... . Not fair of me. Yet, the difference is
stark).
--Joe
> Anthony Wu mailto:wuasg@... wrote:
> It is not surprising that Sheng Yen had good relationships with
TNH, as they were similar. Dalai Lama is different, though they might
respect each other, as they are both erudite scholars. [snip]
