I knew I would not have to make that point. :)

K

On 6/18/2012 6:11 AM, Bill! wrote:

...and zen is Just THIS!

--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Kristopher Grey <kris@...> wrote:
>
> Hinduism, is contained in the Vedas.
>
> Vedanta is 'beyond/outside the Vedas'
>
> Buddhism, is radical Neo-Vedanta
>
> Tibetan Buddism, is Bon Buddhism.
>
> Ch'an Buddhism is Taoist Buddhism
>
> Zen Buddhism is Shintoist Taoist Buddhism
>
> Western Zen Buddhism sells more T-shirts.
>
> None of this is vehicle, or obstacle to realization.
>
> K
>
>
>
> On 6/17/2012 8:30 PM, Joe wrote:
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > To me, Tibetan Buddhism is not quite Buddhism. The influence that
> > the native Bon religion has had on the Buddhism that was received
> > from India is still determinative. I don't criticize Tibetan
> > practice; but I could never get straight their CHANTING, though I
> > tried it while I stayed at a Tib. temple in Hawai'i, each day, on the
> > Big Island, for a few weeks. It's harder than Sheng Yen's Chinese
> > ritual was for me, by far! (but I hung out with him for 30 years.
> > Only a few weeks in HI... . Not fair of me. Yet, the difference is
> > stark).
> >
> > --Joe
> >
> > > Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote:
> >
> > > It is not surprising that Sheng Yen had good relationships with TNH,
> > as they were similar. Dalai Lama is different, though they might
> > respect each other, as they are both erudite scholars. [snip]
> >
> >
>



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