Kristopher and Bill! It's amusing to see you two continually verbally deny the obvious reality of the logic of the world of forms which you must conform to every minute of your existence to remain alive and function, as if denying this reality is somehow an indication of having Zen when it's actually the antithesis of Zen....
Zen is not denying the logical rules of the world of forms or denying the existence of the world of forms; Zen is seeing the world of forms and its intrinsic rules for what they are as manifestations of the underlying Buddha nature, or Tao, or in my terminology ontological energy... Edgar On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > The word choice was not a mistake (and was also a play on your words) > > The discrimination of obvious delusions as 'false' and less obvious delusions > as 'true' is a form of binding arbitration. > > 'Certainty' certainly applies in the way you say, but only conveys a > half-truth that will appear to make more sense to those who seek to gain > knowledge of 'true' and 'false'. This is not the truth I speak to. > > KG > > > On 8/29/2012 9:50 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> Kristopher, >> >> The word 'surety' means a taking of responsibility usually in the form of a >> bond for someone else's financial obligation. >> >> Perhaps you meant to say 'certainty'? >> >> Contrary to what you imply some things are true and some false.... There is >> a consistent logical structure to reality and what is inconsistent with that >> is false. A delusion is a falsehood still believed in spite of good evidence >> to the contrary. Most beliefs of religions including animistic religions >> such as that of the Aborigines are obvious delusion... >> >> Thinking that 'surety' means 'certainty' is a delusion though in your case >> it was likely just a typo as sometimes happens to the best of us.... >> >> Edgar >> >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: >> >> > On 8/28/2012 8:35 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL >> >> delusions... >> >> >> > >> > As is your surety. >> > >> > KG >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are >> > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
