Edgar, Creating and superimposing illusory structure on reality is not zen. Directly experiencing reality without applying censorship, augmentation or judgement is zen.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Kristopher and Bill! > > It's amusing to see you two continually verbally deny the obvious reality of > the logic of the world of forms which you must conform to every minute of > your existence to remain alive and function, as if denying this reality is > somehow an indication of having Zen when it's actually the antithesis of > Zen.... > > Zen is not denying the logical rules of the world of forms or denying the > existence of the world of forms; Zen is seeing the world of forms and its > intrinsic rules for what they are as manifestations of the underlying Buddha > nature, or Tao, or in my terminology ontological energy... > > Edgar > > > > On Aug 29, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > > > > > The word choice was not a mistake (and was also a play on your words) > > > > The discrimination of obvious delusions as 'false' and less obvious > > delusions as 'true' is a form of binding arbitration. > > > > 'Certainty' certainly applies in the way you say, but only conveys a > > half-truth that will appear to make more sense to those who seek to gain > > knowledge of 'true' and 'false'. This is not the truth I speak to. > > > > KG > > > > > > On 8/29/2012 9:50 AM, Edgar Owen wrote: > >> > >> Kristopher, > >> > >> The word 'surety' means a taking of responsibility usually in the form of > >> a bond for someone else's financial obligation. > >> > >> Perhaps you meant to say 'certainty'? > >> > >> Contrary to what you imply some things are true and some false.... There > >> is a consistent logical structure to reality and what is inconsistent with > >> that is false. A delusion is a falsehood still believed in spite of good > >> evidence to the contrary. Most beliefs of religions including animistic > >> religions such as that of the Aborigines are obvious delusion... > >> > >> Thinking that 'surety' means 'certainty' is a delusion though in your case > >> it was likely just a typo as sometimes happens to the best of us.... > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> On Aug 28, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Kristopher Grey wrote: > >> > >> > On 8/28/2012 8:35 PM, Edgar Owen wrote: > >> >> Sure there are plenty of nature spirit religions. They are ALL > >> >> delusions... > >> >> > >> > > >> > As is your surety. > >> > > >> > KG > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > >> > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
