Joe, I think you are misunderstanding my point about reality being logical.
By that I don't mean everything necessarily makes sense to an individual human, I mean that nature follows rules. The earth rotates around the sun and the sun appears to rise in the morning. That is reality following its logical rules. That's what I mean. Bill! denies the obvious that even a child understands but maybe because he misunderstands what I mean also? Edgar On Aug 30, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Joe wrote: > Bill!, > > In all seriousness... I don't know if reality is logical, and rational. I > just don't know! It is a challenge in all ways. > > Certainly, since the Quantum Theory of Atoms was established in the 1920s, > we've known that -- although things may be rational (to computation, even > through the 16th decimal point) -- they surely don't make much SENSE!... to > our macroscopically-conditioned "understanding" (experience). > > I speak as a working astrophysicist. > > Pretty disheartening, this picture. > > On the other hand, fun! > > Showing the limits of our comprehension, based on macroscopic models. > > I think it takes at least 15 years to make a Quantum-Mechanic (all that > grease, gasoline, and Diesel, you know). > > --Joe > > PS Don't get me wrong; I'm not one to extend or extrapolate much from formal > Science to the realms of spiritual understanding, practice, or development. > SCIENCE is just another Poetry, there. Good enough for... something! But > *absolutely* not needed, and usually not at all helpful, except by the most > skilful presenter, most practiced with metaphors. > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > > > Kris, > > > > Much of zen appears to be nonsense because it is nonsense in that it is > > illogical and irrational. That's because reality is illogical and > > irrational. That's because logic and rationality are a human invention - > > concepts, and all concepts are illusory. > >
