Bill!,

In all seriousness... I don't know if reality is logical, and rational.  I just 
don't know!  It is a challenge in all ways.

Certainly, since the Quantum Theory of Atoms was established in the 1920s, 
we've known that -- although things may be rational (to computation, even 
through the 16th decimal point) -- they surely don't make much SENSE!... to our 
macroscopically-conditioned "understanding" (experience).

I speak as a working astrophysicist.

Pretty disheartening, this picture.

On the other hand, fun!

Showing the limits of our comprehension, based on macroscopic models.

I think it takes at least 15 years to make a Quantum-Mechanic (all that grease, 
gasoline, and Diesel, you know).

--Joe

PS  Don't get me wrong; I'm not one to extend or extrapolate much from formal 
Science to the realms of spiritual understanding, practice, or development.  
SCIENCE is just another Poetry, there.  Good enough for... something!  But 
*absolutely* not needed, and usually not at all helpful, except by the most 
skilful presenter, most practiced with metaphors.

> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Kris,
> 
> Much of zen appears to be nonsense because it is nonsense in that it is 
> illogical and irrational.  That's because reality is illogical and 
> irrational.  That's because logic and rationality are a human invention - 
> concepts, and all concepts are illusory.



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