Joe, Edgar, Kris, et al... I do want to correct one thing I said below. I said reality (Buddha Nature/zen) is "illogical and irrational". That is incorrect. Saying that would mean it is NOT logical and NOT rational. What I meant to say is reality (Buddha Nature/zen) is a-logical and a-rational. That means it is not contained within or bounded by logic or rationality. It cannot be said to be subject to or defined by logic or rationality.
This might not make any difference to you but I wanted to make sure I was as clear as I could be on this very difficult subject. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > Bill!, > > In all seriousness... I don't know if reality is logical, and rational. I > just don't know! It is a challenge in all ways. > > Certainly, since the Quantum Theory of Atoms was established in the 1920s, > we've known that -- although things may be rational (to computation, even > through the 16th decimal point) -- they surely don't make much SENSE!... to > our macroscopically-conditioned "understanding" (experience). > > I speak as a working astrophysicist. > > Pretty disheartening, this picture. > > On the other hand, fun! > > Showing the limits of our comprehension, based on macroscopic models. > > I think it takes at least 15 years to make a Quantum-Mechanic (all that > grease, gasoline, and Diesel, you know). > > --Joe > > PS Don't get me wrong; I'm not one to extend or extrapolate much from formal > Science to the realms of spiritual understanding, practice, or development. > SCIENCE is just another Poetry, there. Good enough for... something! But > *absolutely* not needed, and usually not at all helpful, except by the most > skilful presenter, most practiced with metaphors. > > > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > Kris, > > > > Much of zen appears to be nonsense because it is nonsense in that it is > > illogical and irrational. That's because reality is illogical and > > irrational. That's because logic and rationality are a human invention - > > concepts, and all concepts are illusory. > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
