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On 8/31/2012 5:08 AM, Bill! wrote:
Joe, Edgar, Kris, et al...
I do want to correct one thing I said below. I said reality (Buddha
Nature/zen) is "illogical and irrational". That is incorrect. Saying
that would mean it is NOT logical and NOT rational. What I meant to
say is reality (Buddha Nature/zen) is a-logical and a-rational. That
means it is not contained within or bounded by logic or rationality.
It cannot be said to be subject to or defined by logic or rationality.
This might not make any difference to you but I wanted to make sure I
was as clear as I could be on this very difficult subject.
...Bill!
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>
> Bill!,
>
> In all seriousness... I don't know if reality is logical, and
rational. I just don't know! It is a challenge in all ways.
>
> Certainly, since the Quantum Theory of Atoms was established in the
1920s, we've known that -- although things may be rational (to
computation, even through the 16th decimal point) -- they surely don't
make much SENSE!... to our macroscopically-conditioned "understanding"
(experience).
>
> I speak as a working astrophysicist.
>
> Pretty disheartening, this picture.
>
> On the other hand, fun!
>
> Showing the limits of our comprehension, based on macroscopic models.
>
> I think it takes at least 15 years to make a Quantum-Mechanic (all
that grease, gasoline, and Diesel, you know).
>
> --Joe
>
> PS Don't get me wrong; I'm not one to extend or extrapolate much
from formal Science to the realms of spiritual understanding,
practice, or development. SCIENCE is just another Poetry, there. Good
enough for... something! But *absolutely* not needed, and usually not
at all helpful, except by the most skilful presenter, most practiced
with metaphors.
>
> > "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote:
> >
> > Kris,
> >
> > Much of zen appears to be nonsense because it is nonsense in that
it is illogical and irrational. That's because reality is illogical
and irrational. That's because logic and rationality are a human
invention - concepts, and all concepts are illusory.
>
