Bill! -

You response is quite illuminating, but please say more about:"To just
alleviate pain without attending to its
source might prove to be problematic."

--ED



--- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
ED,

That may be so. I don't really know. And if they do it might be
psychosomatic,
not that that really matters. Pain is of course an indication that
somethings
wrong and needs attention. To just alleviate pain without attending to
its
source might be prove to be problematic. That's the case whether it be
zazen,
religious beliefs or Valium.

Pain is real. Suffering (in the way the term is used in Buddhism) is not
real.
It's a 'mental model' (aka 'illusion') which is the result of
attachments which
are in turn dependent upon the creation of the dualistic concept of
'self'.

That's IMO anyway...

,,,BIll!



> Bill! and Mike,
>
> Is it not the case that zazen or vipasana can also help alleviate
pain?
>
> --ED




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