A clarification... Once you've diagnosed the problem and are receiving treatment or applying some remedy I don't see anything wrong with using techniques that will alleviate pain - IMO.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], "billsmart" <BillSmart@...> wrote: > > ED, > > What I meant was: Pain is a normal bodily function. If you alleviate it > (like taking Valium) it masks the pain but does not really address the source > of the pain. If all you want to do is make the pain go away then that's > okay. If however you think the pain is an indicator of some problem then you > should try to look for and address the problem. I think of it like pain is > the messenger, and the message might be very important to me. If you 'kill > the messenger' you won't know what the message was. > > It would be like taking a pill to alleviate hunger or thirst. Useful > sometimes? Maybe. Use with caution? Absolutely. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill! - > > > > You response is quite illuminating, but please say more about:"To just > > alleviate pain without attending to its > > source might prove to be problematic." > > > > --ED > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill!" <BillSmart@> wrote: > > > > > ED, > > > > That may be so. I don't really know. And if they do it might be > > psychosomatic, > > not that that really matters. Pain is of course an indication that > > somethings > > wrong and needs attention. To just alleviate pain without attending to > > its > > source might be prove to be problematic. That's the case whether it be > > zazen, > > religious beliefs or Valium. > > > > Pain is real. Suffering (in the way the term is used in Buddhism) is not > > real. > > It's a 'mental model' (aka 'illusion') which is the result of > > attachments which > > are in turn dependent upon the creation of the dualistic concept of > > 'self'. > > > > That's IMO anyway... > > > > ,,,BIll! > > > > > > > > > Bill! and Mike, > > > > > > Is it not the case that zazen or vipasana can also help alleviate > > pain? > > > > > > --ED > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
