Hi Anthony, Sure, it's possible I do it all the time...
Edgar On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > Edgar, > > You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to > generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of > releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding the > whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure objectLESS > love. In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form of pure > unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the universe...' > > Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual organism, > no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? > > Anthony > > From: Chris Austin-Lane <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I rarely use most of the old words > >from the texts since I find many of > >them confused and overlapping. > The very nature of words. > But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment is > always welcome. > > > > > As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but don't > > get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST attachments men > > especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true nature, a biological > > trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the species no matter at what > > cost! > > > > Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to generate > > intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of releasing it in > > orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding the whole body to > > invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure objectLESS love. In this > > way the whole being glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated love and > > radiates Buddha Nature back out into the universe... > > > > This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Edgar, > >> > >> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem to see > >> Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as illusion is still > >> reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha Nature. Fair enough, but > >> i think this is more of a Mahayana understanding of Mara. I see Mara as > >> originally understood - the temptation of the senses that leads us to > >> suffering. I can see the overlaps tho, so I'm not disagreeing with you. > >> I'm sure we both see the world as contin gent and consciousness arises > >> differently depending on what condition presents. For example, If I hear > >> the sound of high heels coming towards me, my mind begins formulating the > >> idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. My body follows along and so > >> my heart beat increases, adrenalin is released along with some serotonin > >> etc etc. I then build a story/mental formation onto this and might start > >> imagining meeting this woman (still unseen!) and... well, you know the > >> rest. All from the sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a > >> tempting of the senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and > >> can occur from moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm > >> operating from the micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then > >> again, it never hurts to see the bigger picture. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >> > >> > >> Mike and Kris, > >> > >> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world of > >> forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. Properly > >> realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but a > >> manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken for the > >> whole of reality rather than being realized as a manifestation of Buddha > >> Nature itself. > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Kris, > >>> > >>> >What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. Abiding > >>> >as whatever presents. > >>> > >>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness arises > >>> with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). But it's how > >>> we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of whether we > >>> suffer... or not. > >>> > >>> >There is no Buddha without Mara. > >>> > >>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, > >>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will > >>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If conditions > >>> are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but we live in a > >>> contingent world and so always need to pay attention to each and every > >>> moment. > >>> > >>> >All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > >>> > >>> Nice. > >>> > >>> >The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful > >>> >you don't reject it. > >>> > >>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to you, but > >>> your enemies closer ; ) > >>> > >>> Mike > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Kristopher Grey <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 > >>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >>> > >>> > >>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Kris, > >>>> > >>>> >The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. > >>>> > >>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow sick, > >>>> we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know what's just > >>>> around the corner ready to befall us. In order to "realise" suffering > >>>> fully we need to pay mindful attention to what impacts on us - not to > >>>> just the external stimuli, but also to how we react to them inwardly. > >>> > >>> > >>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent > >>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other than > >>> that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. > >>> > >>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort to > >>> maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great > >>> effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding > >>> take great effort to maintain.].)... > >>> > >>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is > >>> sufficient. ;) > >>> > >>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara from > >>>> time to time. life happens moment to moment and no over-riding state of > >>>> mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment will eradicate the potential > >>>> to suffer at any time. All we can do is constantly practice mindfulness > >>>> until our mind isn't so restless and we can be more aware of those first > >>>> stirrings of the mind to be so reactive. > >>> > >>> > >>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was born > >>> to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see it was > >>> never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no realization > >>> of other. > >>> > >>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > >>> > >>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful > >>> you don't reject it. > >>> > >>> KG > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
