He (IMO) is just a walking bumper-sticker machine. How could you take anyone seriously who purports to be a big-time Buddhist teacher while encouraging his people to cling to their attachments to their culture and language, and supports a theocracy which enslaves and exploits non-clerics by keeping them in ignorance and treats women like cattle?
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > Â bill that's not very nice...i have many of his books...and his teachings > are sound...merle > > > Â > Anthony, > > Don't put too much stock in anything The Dalai Lama says. He's now just > another out-of-work politician...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@> wrote: > > > > Edgar, > > That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it > > sound reasonalbe? > > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > ÃÂ > > Anthony, > > > > I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? > > > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing wine, > > > the other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in order to > > > qualify for the sex yoga you describe. Right? > > > > > > Anthony > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> Edgar, > > >> > > >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment > > >> to generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of > > >> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding > > >> the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure > > >> objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form > > >> of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the > > >> universe...' > > >> > > >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual > > >> organism, no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? > > >> > > >> Anthony > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> > > >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 > > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hi Mike, > > >>> > > >>> I rarely use most of the old words > > >>> from the texts since I find many of > > >>> them confused and overlapping. > > >> The very nature of words. > > >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment is > > >> always welcome. > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but > > >>> don't get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST > > >>> attachments men especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true > > >>> nature, a biological trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the > > >>> species no matter at what cost! > > >>> > > >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to > > >>> generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of > > >>> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras > > >>> flooding the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with > > >>> pure objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with chi in the > > >>> form of pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into > > >>> the universe... > > >>> > > >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... > > >>> > > >>> Edgar > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Edgar, > > >>>> > > >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem to > > >>>> see Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as illusion > > >>>> is still reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha Nature. Fair > > >>>> enough, but i think this is more of a Mahayana understanding of Mara. > > >>>> I see Mara as originally understood - the temptation of the senses > > >>>> that leads us to suffering. I can see the overlaps tho, so I'm not > > >>>> disagreeing with you. I'm sure we both see the world as contin gent > > >>>> and consciousness arises differently depending on what condition > > >>>> presents. For example, If I hear the sound of high heels coming > > >>>> towards me, my mind begins formulating the idea of 'female' and > > >>>> 'beauty' 'desire' etc. My body follows along and so my heart beat > > >>>> increases, adrenalin is released along with some serotonin etc etc. I > > >>>> then build a story/mental formation onto this and might start > > >>>> imagining meeting this woman (still unseen!) and... well, you know the > > >>>> rest. All from > the > > > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the > > > senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur from > > > moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating from > > > the micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then again, it never > > > hurts to see the bigger picture. > > >>>> > > >>>> Mike > > >>>> > > >>>> ________________________________ > > >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Mike and Kris, > > >>>> > > >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world > > >>>> of forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. > > >>>> Properly realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but a > > >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken for > > >>>> the whole of reality rather than being realized as a manifestation of > > >>>> Buddha Nature itself. > > >>>> > > >>>> Edgar > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Kris, > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. > > >>>>>> Abiding as whatever presents. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness arises > > >>>>> with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). But it's > > >>>>> how we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of whether we > > >>>>> suffer... or not. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, > > >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will > > >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If > > >>>>> conditions are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but we > > >>>>> live in a contingent world and so always need to pay attention to > > >>>>> each and every moment. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Nice. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be > > >>>>>> mindful you don't reject it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to you, > > >>>>> but your enemies closer ; ) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Mike > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ________________________________ > > >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> > > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Kris, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow > > >>>>>> sick, we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know > > >>>>>> what's just around the corner ready to befall us. In order to > > >>>>>> "realise" suffering fully we need to pay mindful attention to what > > >>>>>> impacts on us - not to just the external stimuli, but also to how we > > >>>>>> react to them inwardly. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent > > >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other > > >>>>> than that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort > > >>>>> to maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take > > >>>>> great effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not > > >>>>> abiding take great effort to maintain.].)... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is > > >>>>> sufficient. ;) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara > > >>>>>> from time to time. life happens moment to moment and no over-riding > > >>>>>> state of mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment will eradicate > > >>>>>> the potential to suffer at any time. All we can do is constantly > > >>>>>> practice mindfulness until our mind isn't so restless and we can be > > >>>>>> more aware of those first stirrings of the mind to be so reactive. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was > > >>>>> born to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see it > > >>>>> was never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no > > >>>>> realization of other. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be > > >>>>> mindful you don't reject it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> KG > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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