Edgar, That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it sound reasonalbe? Anthony
________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA Anthony, I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? Edgar On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > Edgar, > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing wine, the > other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in order to qualify for > the sex yoga you describe. Right? > > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > Hi Anthony, > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... > > Edgar > > > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > >> >> >> Edgar, >> >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to >> generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of >> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding the >> whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure objectLESS >> love. In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form of pure >> unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the universe...' >> >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual organism, >> no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? >> >> Anthony >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> I rarely use most of the old words >>> from the texts since I find many of >>> them confused and overlapping. >> The very nature of words. >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment is >> always welcome. >> >> >>> >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but don't >>> get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST attachments men >>> especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true nature, a biological >>> trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the species no matter at what >>> cost! >>> >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to generate >>> intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of releasing it in >>> orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding the whole body to >>> invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure objectLESS love. In this >>> way the whole being glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated love and >>> radiates Buddha Nature back out into the universe... >>> >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edgar, >>>> >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem to see >>>> Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as illusion is still >>>> reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha Nature. Fair enough, but >>>> i think this is more of a Mahayana understanding of Mara. I see Mara as >>>> originally understood - the temptation of the senses that leads us to >>>> suffering. I can see the overlaps tho, so I'm not disagreeing with you. >>>> I'm sure we both see the world as contin gent and consciousness arises >>>> differently depending on what condition presents. For example, If I hear >>>> the sound of high heels coming towards me, my mind begins formulating the >>>> idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. My body follows along and so >>>> my heart beat increases, adrenalin is released along with some serotonin >>>> etc etc. I then build a story/mental formation onto this and might start >>>> imagining meeting this woman (still unseen!) and... well, you know the >>>> rest. All from the > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the senses > that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur from moment to > moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating from the micro while > you're doing so from the macro. But then again, it never hurts to see the > bigger picture. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>>> >>>> >>>> Mike and Kris, >>>> >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world of >>>> forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. Properly >>>> realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but a >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken for the >>>> whole of reality rather than being realized as a manifestation of Buddha >>>> Nature itself. >>>> >>>> Edgar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kris, >>>>> >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. Abiding >>>>>> as whatever presents. >>>>> >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness arises >>>>> with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). But it's how >>>>> we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of whether we >>>>> suffer... or not. >>>>> >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. >>>>> >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If conditions >>>>> are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but we live in a >>>>> contingent world and so always need to pay attention to each and every >>>>> moment. >>>>> >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. >>>>> >>>>> Nice. >>>>> >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful >>>>>> you don't reject it. >>>>> >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to you, but >>>>> your enemies closer ; ) >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kris, >>>>>> >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow sick, >>>>>> we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know what's just >>>>>> around the corner ready to befall us. In order to "realise" suffering >>>>>> fully we need to pay mindful attention to what impacts on us - not to >>>>>> just the external stimuli, but also to how we react to them inwardly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other than >>>>> that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. >>>>> >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort to >>>>> maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great >>>>> effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding >>>>> take great effort to maintain.].)... >>>>> >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is >>>>> sufficient. ;) >>>>> >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara from >>>>>> time to time. life happens moment to moment and no over-riding state of >>>>>> mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment will eradicate the potential >>>>>> to suffer at any time. All we can do is constantly practice mindfulness >>>>>> until our mind isn't so restless and we can be more aware of those first >>>>>> stirrings of the mind to be so reactive. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was born >>>>> to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see it was >>>>> never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no realization >>>>> of other. >>>>> >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. >>>>> >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful >>>>> you don't reject it. >>>>> >>>>> KG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
