bill that's not very nice...i have many of his books...and his teachings are sound...merle
Anthony, Don't put too much stock in anything The Dalai Lama says. He's now just another out-of-work politician...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Edgar, > That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it sound > reasonalbe? > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > Â > Anthony, > > I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? > > Edgar > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing wine, > > the other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in order to > > qualify for the sex yoga you describe. Right? > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> Edgar, > >> > >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment > >> to generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of > >> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding > >> the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure > >> objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form of > >> pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the > >> universe...' > >> > >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual > >> organism, no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? > >> > >> Anthony > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> > >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Mike, > >>> > >>> I rarely use most of the old words > >>> from the texts since I find many of > >>> them confused and overlapping. > >> The very nature of words. > >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment is > >> always welcome. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but > >>> don't get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST attachments > >>> men especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true nature, a > >>> biological trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the species no > >>> matter at what cost! > >>> > >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to generate > >>> intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of releasing it > >>> in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding the whole > >>> body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure objectLESS love. > >>> In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated > >>> love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the universe... > >>> > >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... > >>> > >>> Edgar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Edgar, > >>>> > >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem to > >>>> see Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as illusion is > >>>> still reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha Nature. Fair > >>>> enough, but i think this is more of a Mahayana understanding of Mara. I > >>>> see Mara as originally understood - the temptation of the senses that > >>>> leads us to suffering. I can see the overlaps tho, so I'm not > >>>> disagreeing with you. I'm sure we both see the world as contin gent and > >>>> consciousness arises differently depending on what condition presents. > >>>> For example, If I hear the sound of high heels coming towards me, my > >>>> mind begins formulating the idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. > >>>> My body follows along and so my heart beat increases, adrenalin is > >>>> released along with some serotonin etc etc. I then build a story/mental > >>>> formation onto this and might start imagining meeting this woman (still > >>>> unseen!) and... well, you know the rest. All from the > > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the > > senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur from > > moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating from the > > micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then again, it never hurts > > to see the bigger picture. > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike and Kris, > >>>> > >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world of > >>>> forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. Properly > >>>> realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but a > >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken for the > >>>> whole of reality rather than being realized as a manifestation of Buddha > >>>> Nature itself. > >>>> > >>>> Edgar > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Kris, > >>>>> > >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. Abiding > >>>>>> as whatever presents. > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness arises > >>>>> with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). But it's > >>>>> how we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of whether we > >>>>> suffer... or not. > >>>>> > >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. > >>>>> > >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, > >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will > >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If > >>>>> conditions are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but we > >>>>> live in a contingent world and so always need to pay attention to each > >>>>> and every moment. > >>>>> > >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nice. > >>>>> > >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful > >>>>>> you don't reject it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to you, > >>>>> but your enemies closer ; ) > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kris, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow > >>>>>> sick, we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know what's > >>>>>> just around the corner ready to befall us. In order to "realise" > >>>>>> suffering fully we need to pay mindful attention to what impacts on us > >>>>>> - not to just the external stimuli, but also to how we react to them > >>>>>> inwardly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent > >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other > >>>>> than that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. > >>>>> > >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort to > >>>>> maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great > >>>>> effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding > >>>>> take great effort to maintain.].)... > >>>>> > >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is > >>>>> sufficient. ;) > >>>>> > >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara > >>>>>> from time to time. life happens moment to moment and no over-riding > >>>>>> state of mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment will eradicate the > >>>>>> potential to suffer at any time. All we can do is constantly practice > >>>>>> mindfulness until our mind isn't so restless and we can be more aware > >>>>>> of those first stirrings of the mind to be so reactive. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was born > >>>>> to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see it was > >>>>> never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no > >>>>> realization of other. > >>>>> > >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful > >>>>> you don't reject it. > >>>>> > >>>>> KG > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
