Anthony, Don't put too much stock in anything The Dalai Lama says. He's now just another out-of-work politician...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Edgar, > That garbage was obtained from Internet, more than one source. Does it sound > reasonalbe? > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Friday, 14 September 2012, 7:31 > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > Â > Anthony, > > I don't know where you get this garbage Antony? > > Edgar > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Dalai Lama says, if you are faced with two glasses, one containing wine, > > the other urine, you must drink both without hesitation, in order to > > qualify for the sex yoga you describe. Right? > > > > Anthony > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > > To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012, 8:30 > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > > > > > > > > Hi Anthony, > > > > Sure, it's possible I do it all the time... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: > > > > > >> > >> > >> Edgar, > >> > >> You say, ' Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment > >> to generate intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of > >> releasing it in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding > >> the whole body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure > >> objectLESS love. In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form of > >> pure unmediated love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the > >> universe...' > >> > >> Is it really possible? Or just an excuse for the pleasue of actual > >> organism, no matter if the body is invigorated with love or not? > >> > >> Anthony > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Chris Austin-Lane <mailto:chris%40austin-lane.net> > >> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 22:19 > >> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 12, 2012 5:06 AM, "Edgar Owen" <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Mike, > >>> > >>> I rarely use most of the old words > >>> from the texts since I find many of > >>> them confused and overlapping. > >> The very nature of words. > >> But fresh language that captures the freshness of the current moment is > >> always welcome. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> As for the high heels clicking towards you on the sidewalk. Enjoy but > >>> don't get too attached! Recognize that as one of the BIGGEST attachments > >>> men especially have to deal with. Just realize it's true nature, a > >>> biological trick evolution plays on men to perpetuate the species no > >>> matter at what cost! > >>> > >>> Remember Tantra, and some Taoist schools, use this attachment to generate > >>> intensity of chi in the sexual chakras, but then instead of releasing it > >>> in orgasm, directs it up through the other chakras flooding the whole > >>> body to invigorate the whole being and fill it with pure objectLESS love. > >>> In this way the whole being glows with chi in the form of pure unmediated > >>> love and radiates Buddha Nature back out into the universe... > >>> > >>> This is the golden glow often depicted radiating around Buddha... > >>> > >>> Edgar > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 7:44 AM, mike brown wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Edgar, > >>>> > >>>> I think you see Mara somewhat differently to how I see it. You seem to > >>>> see Mara as the illusion of forms, but understanding them as illusion is > >>>> still reality and not apart of the All which is Buddha Nature. Fair > >>>> enough, but i think this is more of a Mahayana understanding of Mara. I > >>>> see Mara as originally understood - the temptation of the senses that > >>>> leads us to suffering. I can see the overlaps tho, so I'm not > >>>> disagreeing with you. I'm sure we both see the world as contin gent and > >>>> consciousness arises differently depending on what condition presents. > >>>> For example, If I hear the sound of high heels coming towards me, my > >>>> mind begins formulating the idea of 'female' and 'beauty' 'desire' etc. > >>>> My body follows along and so my heart beat increases, adrenalin is > >>>> released along with some serotonin etc etc. I then build a story/mental > >>>> formation onto this and might start imagining meeting this woman (still > >>>> unseen!) and... well, you know the rest. All from the > > sound of shoes!! This is the meaning of Mara to me - a tempting of the > > senses that leads us into suffering (self-inflicted!) and can occur from > > moment to moment as new conditions present. I guess I'm operating from the > > micro while you're doing so from the macro. But then again, it never hurts > > to see the bigger picture. > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> ________________________________ > >>>> From: Edgar Owen <mailto:edgarowen%40att.net> > >>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012, 11:35 > >>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Mike and Kris, > >>>> > >>>> This is consistent with what I say, that Mara (illusion or the world of > >>>> forms) is the WAY THAT BUDDHA NATURE MANIFESTS IN OUR WORLD. Properly > >>>> realized Mara is not something apart from Buddha Nature but a > >>>> manifestation of Buddha Nature. Mara is only illusion when taken for the > >>>> whole of reality rather than being realized as a manifestation of Buddha > >>>> Nature itself. > >>>> > >>>> Edgar > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:28 PM, mike brown wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Kris, > >>>>> > >>>>>> What you seek to attend to, is none other than that attending. Abiding > >>>>>> as whatever presents. > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree. This is just another way of saying that consciousness arises > >>>>> with whatever presents from moment to moment (conditioned). But it's > >>>>> how we react, or not, to these moments that is the crux of whether we > >>>>> suffer... or not. > >>>>> > >>>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. > >>>>> > >>>>> Again, I agree. I think there's a very shallow belief in Buddhism, > >>>>> including zen, that when someone becomes 'enlightened' they will > >>>>> experience a life free of attachments, desires and craving. If > >>>>> conditions are right, we can experience moments of liberation, but we > >>>>> live in a contingent world and so always need to pay attention to each > >>>>> and every moment. > >>>>> > >>>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > >>>>> > >>>>> Nice. > >>>>> > >>>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful > >>>>>> you don't reject it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Well, you know what they say about keeping your friends close to you, > >>>>> but your enemies closer ; ) > >>>>> > >>>>> Mike > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> From: Kristopher Grey <mailto:kris%40kgrey.com> > >>>>> To: mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com > >>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 2:55 > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: THE BASIC TEACHING OF BUDDHA > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/9/2012 3:34 PM, mike brown wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Kris, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The nature of this realized, cessation is effortless. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We're contingent beings in a contingent world. We're born, we grow > >>>>>> sick, we grow old, we die. In a contingent world we don't know what's > >>>>>> just around the corner ready to befall us. In order to "realise" > >>>>>> suffering fully we need to pay mindful attention to what impacts on us > >>>>>> - not to just the external stimuli, but also to how we react to them > >>>>>> inwardly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> While all this is so, these are not separate. 'No independent > >>>>> origination". Contingent. What you seek to attend to, is none other > >>>>> than that attending. Abiding as whatever presents. > >>>>> > >>>>> Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great effort to > >>>>> maintain (Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding take great > >>>>> effort to maintain [Abiding is not optional. Delusions of not abiding > >>>>> take great effort to maintain.].)... > >>>>> > >>>>> If you realize at least 1/3 of that last bit - your mindfulness is > >>>>> sufficient. ;) > >>>>> > >>>>>> Even after Buddha's defeat of Mara, he was still 'visited' by Mara > >>>>>> from time to time. life happens moment to moment and no over-riding > >>>>>> state of mind/knowledge/understanding/Enlightenment will eradicate the > >>>>>> potential to suffer at any time. All we can do is constantly practice > >>>>>> mindfulness until our mind isn't so restless and we can be more aware > >>>>>> of those first stirrings of the mind to be so reactive. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> There is no Buddha without Mara. Neither victor nor vanquished was born > >>>>> to fight nor dies in the struggle. To conquer delusion is see it was > >>>>> never otherwise. Samsara is Nirvana. No other realization/no > >>>>> realization of other. > >>>>> > >>>>> All teachings of Buddha are carried and delivered by Mara. > >>>>> > >>>>> The Middle Way cannot be entered without Mara's invitation. Be mindful > >>>>> you don't reject it. > >>>>> > >>>>> KG > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
