edgar..right speech answers the needs of the needy... including the wankers..merle
Edgar, It's a translation from the Pali Canon. If you don't believe that the sutras are the actual teachings from Buddha, why do you even bother mentioning Right Speech? Also, I challenge you to find just *one* translation of Right Speech the way you characterise it. I can assure you that I can find a thousand to support my claim. Mike Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad ________________________________ From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>; To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; Subject: Re: [Zen] The False I and the Real I - Eckhart Tolle Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 3:42:04 PM Mike, LOL! So you are now channeling Buddha for me? Are you so naive that you don't know you can find at least one internet site that supports anything? Did you do a Whois lookup to confirm Buddha himself is the webmaster of that site? Geeez, and you lecture me on Right Thinking?!!! Once again I am right and you are wrong..... Right speech is NOT coddling the emotionally needy. Right speech is saying what is true even when it rubs the defensive ego the wrong way - as in your case presently.... Edgar On May 23, 2013, at 10:42 AM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >Edgar, > >You teaching me anything about Buddhism would be like Stalin teaching Gandhi >about compassion. Right Speech isn't always just about just telling the truth >(besides, do you have proof he was a pedophile or just speculating?). Here, >I'll let Buddha himself teach you: > > > >http://www.suanmokkh.org/archive/rtspch1.htm >WELL-SPOKEN WORDS ARE SAMMAVACA > >Bhikkhus, words having these five characteristics are words well-spoken, are >not words badly-spoken, are blameless words that the wise do not criticize. >What are these five characteristics? The five are: > >spoken at the proper time >spoken in line with the truth >spoken gently >spoken beneficially >spoken with a friendly heart > >Bhikkhus, speech having these five characteristics are words well-spoken, are not words badly-spoken, are blameless words that the wise do not criticize. > > >Edgar, you've just been schooled once more.. > >Mike > > > >Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad > > > >________________________________ > From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>; >To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; >Subject: Re: [Zen] The False I and the Real I - Eckhart Tolle >Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 12:41:28 PM > > > >Mike, > > >That was right speech. > > >A little lesson in Buddhism for you. > > >Right speech (and thought) have to do with telling the truth, not coddling the >emotionally needy... > > >Edgar > > > > >On May 22, 2013, at 11:28 PM, uerusub...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > >> >>Edgar, >> >>You can't preach "Right Thoughts" and then completely stomp over 'Right >>Speech'... >> >>Mike >> >>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Edgar Owen <edgaro...@att.net>; >>To: <Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com>; >>Subject: Re: [Zen] The False I and the Real I - Eckhart Tolle >>Sent: Wed, May 22, 2013 11:29:34 AM >> >> >> >>Bill, >> >> >>Mr. Rogers was one of the most smarmy, saccharine, moronic, comic book >>Christian likely pedophiles to ever defile US TV screens... >> >> >>Edgar >> >> >> >> >> >> >>On May 22, 2013, at 4:47 AM, Bill! wrote: >> >> >>>Merle, >>> >>> >>>Mister Roger's Neighborhood was a children's program that was very popular >>>in the USA for a long, long time. He is very kind and gentle teaching kids >>>about all kinds of things. Here's an episode where he talks about friends. >>>It's about 30-minutes long but you only have to watch about the first 3 or 4 >>>minutes to get the idea of what he was like. >>> >>> >>>Mister Rogers >>> >>> >>> >>>...Bill! >>> >>> >>> >>>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>  an all round american "let me do it right for you"!... merle >>>>  >>>> Merle, >>>> >>>> Fred Rogers >>>> www.imdb.com >>>> Fred McFeely Rogers was an American educator, Presbyterian minister, songwriter, author, and television host. Rogers was most famous for creating and hosting Mister Rogers' Neighborhood, which featured his gentle, soft-spoken personality and directness to his audiences. >>>> en.wikipedia.org >>>> Lived: Mar 20, 1928 - Feb 27, 2003 (age 74) >>>> Height: 6' (1.83 m) >>>> Spouse: Sara Byrd (1952 - 2003) >>>> >>>> ...Bill! >>>> >>>> --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >  bill..i do not know who mr. rogers is...enlighten me ,,merle >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >  >>>> > Merle, >>>> > >>>> > Did Eckhart Tolle's demeanor remind you of Mr. Rogers as it did me? >>>> > >>>> > ...Bill! >>>> > >>>> > --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Merle Lester merlewiitpom@ wrote: >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >  thank you bill.... a good start for the day... i watched the >>>> > > video and found it very beneficial... merle >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >  >>>> > > Below is a link to a 15-minute video by Eckhart Tolle entitled The >>>> > > False I and the Real I.  I've read a few things from Tolle but >>>> > > have never seen a video by him before.  I would describe him >>>> > > as the the Mr. Rogers of New-Age Spiritualism.  If I remember correctly Bonnie, one of our new member, speaks highly of Tolle. >>>> > > >>>> > > It was interesting to me because he stated the ego is only the ego if >>>> > > you're unaware of it, and as soon as you become aware of it it's not >>>> > > the ego anymore. That corresponds somewhat to zen in that the self is >>>> > > only problematic when you think it's real and are not aware that it is >>>> > > an illusion. He also goes on to say that just recognizing the ego >>>> > > doesn't solve all your problems. He says that there is a kind of >>>> > > momentum built up that you just can't stop immediately.  I >>>> > > think what he calls 'momentum' could be the same as what Buddhism and >>>> > > zen (as I understand it) calls 'attachment'. >>>> > > >>>> > > Anyway all this is similar to the experiencing Buddha Nature and >>>> > > realizing the self is an illusion. That experience doesn't mean you do not have any more work left to do to continue to weaken and finally dissolve the attachment you have to this illusory self - even after you recognize that it is illusory. >>>> > > >>>> > > Also, you might also see how the same or very similar teachings of zen >>>> > > are presented in a more modern dialog. >>>> > > >>>> > > If you'd like to see this video, and I recommend it, you can find it >>>> > > on YouTube at: The False I and the Real I . >>>> > > >>>> > > Enjoy!  ...Bill! >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >
