Hi Al --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "AC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is a great cop-out to say that you are going to help others > right after your life is perfect and you have achieved > enlightenment. It is also contrary to what Zen is supposedly about, > since it is the "Big Vehicle" which is supposed to help others FIRST. > That is pure PREJUDICE. You stated earlier in your post that we > should all take the Saddam out of us so that we can help the > Muslims, yet you have no intention of helping them anyway based on > your belief that they would not listen to your message. You are > practicing a pre-fabricated totally imaginary fiction of Zen.
If you can't even convince yourself to take the Saddam out of you, what makes you think you can convince the Iraqis or anybody else to do so. If we can't even perform the most basic charity of being kind and respectful to fellow posters, which requires little sacrifice if any, we might want to question how genuine is our intent on wanting to help Iraq, which calls for alot more sacrifices. And it seems quite silly that we say we want to help the Middle East, yet here we are with our vehement behavior at this forum creating just another Middle East, albeit a virtual one. And please stop using Street Fighting Zen as a pretext for your vengeful behavior. Your kind of vengefulness is the very root cause of all conflicts in this world, haven't you realize? > I think that we all need to be tougher in order to deal with > reality. I do not want to foster a list of emotional cripples who > are here only because they hear nice plattitudes about love and > Peace. Didn't you also say that "the more love you give the more love you will receive"? > Zen should be something more. Agnes told an incredibly > inspirational story about Zen in her life. That is real to me. > Blood and Guts Zen. It is taking Zen and using it like a weapon > and/or a shield in order to deal with the stress of life which is > often caused by other people. Should we be blaming our stress on others? > That is the kind of Zen I want to understand. I guess maybe it is > similar to The Way of the Peaceful Warrior? It is Street-Fighting > Zen for the people who have to go to work and get insulted, abused, > demanded of, etc. That is the Zen that helps me with real problems > of life. I do not need to understand Cave Zen because I am not > living in a cave. Learning beautiful sayings that would cause > others to laugh in ridicule is not Street Zen. Should we learn Zen so that we be praised and extolled? > I want to learn Zen that will make me a better person on the > Streets of Life, not in a monastery. Shouldn't a *truly* better person thrive in all kinds of situations, regardless of inside or outside a monastery? > I want to take the book knowledge of Zen, and the Zen of the monks, > and the Zen of all the members of this list who are dealing with > life on the streets of their towns, and I want US to mix it > together into a real living Zen. The kind of Zen that Agnes used to > fight her problems and to Succeed. I do not want to know about some > kind of passive bullshit Zen. I do not want to be some waiter in > orange pajamas smiling at people who give me money. I want Zen for > Winning. Zen for kicking Ass. Zen for dealing with reality on the > streets of life. Where people are hurt. Where nobody pulls their > punches. Where reality bleeds and dies. Is this Zen? I don't quite remember coming across this kind of Zen. Which Zen Master or Roshi taught you this? I remember that about 3 or 4 months ago you kicked out several posters (Huggie, etc.) from this forum, accusing them of sending rude and nasty posts and name-calling. It was also only just a few days ago that you wanted to moderate Alex Bunard for similar reasons. But here you are for the past few days guilty of the very same behavior. Should you then be moderated too? Or does a owner/moderator have special immunity? wai ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
