> Who should judge these things? Should we look to Dogen or David >Loy? No, they cannot judge these things for us. We are the only >ones who can judge these things.
I agree that ultimately we must judge for ourselves. But in the learning process we go to a teacher or teachers to guide us. Some are more advanced than us on the path and hence their views just might be more accurate. And yes, we can have relative markers of progress even in zen, which is supposed to tell us that we have everything right here and now, absolutely always already. (Please see the paradox of practice thread to pursue the latter.) Having said that, from my own experience I agree with the likes of David Loy or Dogen when I quote them. But I also know that my practical experience does not match theirs and I can look to them for guidance. That's one reason I come to this sangha, to share and compare experience and to give and receive guidance. On that note, thank you all for being here and now. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
