Dan R Allen wrote:

> Marc:
> Do you argue, then, that they also bear responsibility for their choices?
> Dan:
> Of course. But to who do they bear that responsibility, the UN, France?
> Neither are capable of making that judgement.

I don't know if you're quoting me or Mark Gregson, but I could easily have asked
what's attributed to me, so I'll respond that it's not responsibility to any
particular foreign body that's the point, it's responsibility for the
consequences. If you fall of a cliff you will bear the consequences of breaking
the law of gravity. If you deliberately walk off the cliff you will, in addition,
bear *moral* responsibility for suicide.

> >
> > Mark:
> > In the case of Australia and New Zealand or anything similar, I would do
> as
> > the Brethren suggested in a First Presidency letter or statement (that
> was
> > the one produced around WWII):  if I thought the weaker country was being
> > unjustly attacked and if the weaker country asked me for help, then I
> would
> > be justified in helping.  I would not be justified in inciting the larger
> > country to anger in the first place.
> >
> > Dan:
> > While I agree in principle, how do we go about determining what
> "unjustly"
> > is?
> >
> Marc:
> There have been a number of 1P statements and other commentary by the
> brethren on
> what constitutes a moral war and what doesn't. Start with "War and Peace"
> and
> "War and the Military" articles in the EoM.
> In the case of a Western hemisphere country, there's also the additional
> Promise
> of Ether (which also, like any OT covenant, has a corresponding curse for
> not
> following the covenant).
> Dan:
> First, I don't have access to the EoM,

I posted the articles from the EoM and a 1P statement as well, a week or two ago,
here. Also, if you have a public or university library nearby you probably *do*
have access to the EoM.

> and second, while I agree that most
> wars that we have fought were not "righteous" according to the criteria of
> the BoM, the UN and like-minded countries and individuals don't have the
> moral authority to make that judgement. The living prophet has both the
> authority and responsibility to make that call, and so far he has been
> neutral, if not supportive.

What do you mean by "so far"?

Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

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