Dan R Allen wrote:

>
> Responsibility for an action taken implies a "to". You bear the
> responsibility of attempting suicide _to_ both yourself, and God.
Breaking
> your neck is the consequence of the act of _choosing_ to ignore the
effects
> of gravity.
> A significant consequence of making war is the loss of life and it's
> effects on the survivors. A nation's responsibility for making that
choice
> is to it's own citizens first, and all others second.
>

Marc:
Okay, but we're still talking about two different things: moral
responsibility
and cause-and-effect (the consequences of something). If you walk off the
cliff
unaware of the law of gravity you will still die (there will still be
consequences), but you're not morally responsible.

Dan:
Right

> Marc:
> What do you mean by "so far"?
>
> Dan:
> "So far" it appears that he does not feel that the US government has
acted
> irresponsibly in this regard. I added the "so far" because obviously that
> can change.
>

Marc:
You've lost me. There are numerous statements from the 1P condemning war,
and
condemning specific actions of the government (the statement by SWK on the
MX
Missiles is a good example of that).

If you're refrring to Iraq, nothing has happened yet, so what's to comment
on?
But I think the criteria that have been set out by the brethren (not to
mention
the D&C) as to what constitutes a moral war are quite clear, and an
invasion of
Iraq would violate those criteria.

Dan:
Which is why I said "so far". The "War on Terror" was started as a response
to a specific act, and the prophet's comments were somewhat supportive of
that first response. The proposed attack on Iraq is a continuation of that
War - albeit on a second front, and may or may not pass muster since we, we
being the common citizenry, don't really know what part Iraq played in that
original attack.
There is nothing stopping President Hinckley from speaking out against the
attack before it occurs, that's what SWK did on the MX proposal.
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

Art does not reproduce what we see. Rather, it makes us see. ? Paul Klee

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