"with honour" is the occidental version of the oriental "saving face."
Gary Smith wrote: > I'm no Nixon fan, but actually his goal was to get us OUT of Vietnam > (which LBJ got us heavily into) "with Honor." Withdrawals take time, > especially when you are trying to prepare the South Vietnamese to > continue the war on their own. > > How many innocent civilians died in the first Gulf War? Depends on your > definition of "civilian." If you mean the Iraqi soldiers that we bombed, > who were sitting in the middle of Kuwait when we bombed them, yes I guess > there were a few hundred thousand casualties. > > However, if you mean the average person living in a city, then there were > very few. Our bombing targeted military targets. Some bombs missed their > targets, yes. But the numbers killed were at most in the hundreds of > civilians, not thousands. Oh, BTW, how many Kuwaiti civilians were > killed, raped or harmed by the Iraqi soldiers? Thousands. > > So, I guess it is a fair trade off. > > Yes, our nation tends to concentrate on wars that affect us. Yes, oil is > a consideration because people like you and me enjoy our cars and > electricity. However, blaming us for Africa's problems is wrong. Even > with our vast resources, we don't have limitless resources. We have gone > into a few African nations before to help. Remember Sudan? Just how were > we to stop a genocide war in Rwanda? And to repeat a mantra of Marc's, > why does it always have to be the USA that stops the problems in the > world? Why are we slammed for not helping in Africa, when we have a > perfectly useless United Nations sitting in prime American real estate > that should be slammed for not doing their job. After all, isn't that > what their charter is about? Last I looked, the USA's charter was to > defend ourselves and our interests. It would have been nice if we could > stop all the genocides in the world, as well as walk every little old > lady across the street. However, we don't have the ability to be all > things. So we must pick and choose, and hopefully our efforts don't cause > harm, and hopefully we pick the right things for the right purpose. > > We currently are worked up over Hussein due to his eagerness to obtain > weapons of mass destruction and his compunction to use such items. If it > were only over oil, it would be easier for us just to go to the UN and > ask that the sanctions on Iraq be dropped. I'm sure that would make a lot > of oil companies very happy. However, we have a greater issue, based not > upon oil, but upon preserving the lives of hundreds of thousands of > people in our metropolitan areas. > > Don't worry, John. I think Ketchikan is a good hide out. I highly doubt > the huge radical Muslim population in Juneau will find their way to your > island. OTOH, I happen to live in the town where the Air Force has its > major schools, including Air War College, where we train Colonels to be > our future Generals. Definitely a place to loose a nuke. Personally, I > am glad we are trying to slow the development of high grade weapons by > Saddam. > > Nixon wasn't impeached because he resigned prior to it happening. He > wasn't prosecuted because Ford pardoned him. These are both > Constitutional events, even if we don't like the outcome. In fact, my > parents worked on a campaign to have Ford impeached for his pardoning > Nixon. Yes, there is corruption. I have no doubt of that. Yes, there are > those who want to destroy the Constitution and this nation from inside. > But I can't fight a shadow, neither could the Nephites. Only when the > Gadiantons came to light were they able to fight them. > > BTW, Gadiantons were BOTH internal and external to the nation. The > internal ones kept hidden until they gained power enough to obtain the > government. The external ones actually had their own government and > places of resort/nation. They became so powerful that the Nephites and > Lamanites had to gather together in Lachoneus' day to save themselves > from them. So it isn't that we can only fall from within, there are just > as many dangers from without. However, our faith and repentance will > determine whether we survive the onslaughts that occur. > > K'aya K'ama, > Gerald/gary Smith gszion1 @juno.com http://www > .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html > "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - > Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > JWR: > Was Nixon actively killing civilians when he sent 60,000 American > fighting > men to Vietnam with no intentions of accomplishing anything? How many > innocent civilians died during the Persian Gulf War of George Bush, Sr? > A > hundred thousand? Two hundred thousand? > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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