At 12:57 AM 07/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
At 04:40 PM 7/12/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote:I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take?
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At 04:41 PM 7/12/03 -0800, John W. Redelfs wrote:My list would be much shorter:
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At 05:54 PM 7/12/03 -0500, Stacy Smith wrote:I can't say I've met all your list either. If I can't say I've met all mine or all yours it looks like Jesus may have pity on me or I won't make it either.
WADR, I think that anyone who thinks there is a "list" of things they are supposed to do to accomplish this is missing the point.
"For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." (2 Nephi 25:23)
At 11:53 PM 7/12/03 -0400, Noel B wrote:I watched a special on the biblical David last night on PBS. (By the way, it was great to see Leonard Nimoy in the part of Samuel the prophet.) They took some of the spiritual insights out of the story but one item they did leave in was that God looks at the heart. It is by our heart that he judges us. Where is your heart? Are you willing to diligently seek him? Even in an apartment? That, I think, will make the difference.
Thou hast said well.
I will go further and say that anyone who sets "having my calling and election made sure" as a goal is missing the point. IMO, God wants us to love Him and to do what He tells us to do ***because we love Him***. If we have any other motivation as our primary motivation, we are off-track, and perhaps are "looking beyond the mark" as did the ancient Jews.
Some of the greatest spiritual experiences I have had came when I was not seeking any spiritual experience, in fact, some of them came when I was feeling like an utter failure and had no idea how to proceed. God wants us to love Him, trust Him, and follow Him, period. If we do that, we are likely to be pleasantly surprised when some of these things happen to us.
(And yes, I am writing many of these things as much to myself as to anyone else.)
FWIW, it has occurred to me that receiving a promise of eternal life from God may not be so much a "reward" for having lived a "perfect" life and accomplished completely everything on some checklist as perhaps God saying to that person "I trust you. You are still human and are still going to make mistakes in trying to do My will, but I know your heart, and I know that you are trying your best to serve me, so don't be afraid to do the things you think you should because you might make mistakes: they won't be fatal mistakes."
My 2｢ (probably not worth that much) . . .
I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle
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