I, too, would also like decent health care for my family, but we pay more and get less coverage than the union employees do. He doesn't get overtime. They do. He doesn't have any recourse when he doesn't like how he's being treated by his bosses. They do. All they have to do is grieve whatever clause in their contract they feel is being violated. What recourse does my husband have? He has been told by HR people that, as a white male, he legally has no recourse for anything.
Heidi > [Original Message] > From: Val <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 9/15/2003 8:26:57 AM > Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman > > > As a member of a union (NEA, ISTA, BEA), and the widow of a "spoiled?" blue collar UAW worker, I'd like to see your husband get his hands dirty doing the blue-collar work my husband did his whole life! > > It literally broke his back! He couldn't even go to his youngest daughter's high school graduation because he couldn't walk! There is no amount of money in the world to make up for that! > > Your husband may work more hours, but he sure doesn't have the working conditions the blue collar workers do. How unfair of you to call them spoiled. How unfair to complain because they want decent health care coverage for their families. It is your attitude that keeps unions alive! > > val > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Well, Paul, my husband is in what you would refer to as a "white-collar" > job and supervises what you would call "blue-collar" workers. However, > many of those "blue-collar" workers make much more money than my husband > does because of the union. They are unionized and are thus paid overtime, > etc...my husband is salaried but does not get paid overtime, yet he is > required to put in over 60 hours per week (and he is not the only manager > in this position). Last weekend, in 3 days, he put in 42 hours. He puts > in MANY MANY MANY more hours than any of his spoiled unionized blue collar > workers even DREAM of putting in themselves! And yet, they're talking of > striking next year because - BOOHOO - the company cannot continue to pay > 100% of their health insurance premiums. The company is not asking the > unionized workers to pay any more than what management has been paying for > years, yet the spoiled unionized workers are planning to strike over this > next year when the contract is up. Quite frankly, my husband is being > oppressed in his job by a female regional manager who favors other females > in promotions. The last person to get promoted was a female with less than > 2 years of service in, yet my husband who is eminently more qualified and > smarter and who has nearly 5 years in, was not promoted. Yes, my husband > is white collar, but I have to work, too. > > Heidi > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 9/14/2003 7:56:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [ZION] working woman > > > > Gordon B. Hinckley, "Women of the Church," Ensign, Nov. 1996, 67 > > "Some years ago President Benson delivered a message to the women of the > > Church. He encouraged them to leave their employment and give their > > individual time to their children. I sustain the position which he took. > > NEVERTHLESS, I recognize, as he recognized, that there are some women (it > > has become very MANY in fact) who HAVE TO WORK TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS > > OF THEIR FAMILIES. To you I say, do the very best you can. I hope that if > > you are employed full-time you are doing it to ensure that basic needs > > are met and not simply to indulge a taste for an elaborate home, fancy > > cars, and other luxuries. The greatest job that any mother will ever do > > will be in nurturing, teaching, lifting, encouraging, and rearing her > > children in righteousness and truth. None other can adequately take her > > place." > > ---------- > > There are "many" woman who have to work because their husbands are blue > > collar workers who have been oppressed by the financial changes of our > > society. The prophet is confessing to the Church there are changes taking > > place. President Bensen is dead and can no longer counsel the Church > > regarding the movement of the LDS people in a changing world which > > continues to get worse and oppress the poor working men of this world. > > President Hinckley confesses that the number of woman is "MANY" that > > "HAVE" to work. > > I feel that those people (especially white collar men) that tell the blue > > collar men that wives shouldn’t work are way out of line and are NOT > > following the counsel and example of the prophet! It is the white collar > > men that have oppressed the blue collar men since this world began and > > the day will come when that will no longer be the case. > > Finally, if you self righteous white collar brethren don't like what I'm > > saying-- then shove it where the sun don't shine! :-((( so blahhh to > > you! > > > > Paul O > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > // > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > / > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. 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