On Wed, 01 Mar 2006 23:22:54 +0000, Jens Vagelpohl wrote:

> This isn't as easy as it seems, and simple provisioning of manpower  
> is only one small part.
> Anyone who wants to actively support zope.org work needs to sign the  
> required non-disclosure agreement, see http://www.zope.org/About/  
> point 4. Most of that document is outdated, but the legal requirement  
> remains. A lot of well-meaning people fall at this hurdle because  
> they don't want to sign anything.
> The "division of labor" on the cluster is a bit less than conducive  
> to decisive action than it might be. One part, the caching, cannot be  
> touched because it runs through separate cache servers which are  
> shared with Zope Managed Hosting customer cache services.
> There is no clear group of "current volunteers" for the software and  
> the surrounding network services. A few people have logins (3 or 4  
> outside ZC I believe), but no clear delineation of responsibilities  
> (X is responsible for Zope, Y manages the LDAP server, etc) exists.
> Putting up different software must be accompanied by providing  
> suitable integration with existing parts of the site, and possibly at  
> least a little bit of migration for important pieces.
> The final decision about what is put onto those servers is not just a  
> volunteer decision. At least right now ZC must support a decision  
> before it can be put into practice.

Thanks for your response, Jens.  I don't want to start a flame war.  We
are where we are, and let's leave it at that.

I think the concerns that you raise are reasonable ones.  Integration
issues are certainly things to be concerned about.  They are technical
problems, though, and those are the kinds of things we in the Zope
community are good at solving.

The issues I am more concerned about are the social / political ones.  The
signature issue is interesting, but probably surmountable -- all Plone
contributors are required to sign a contributor agreement.

In my mind, the real questions are:

1) If the Plone community were to be good Zope citizens and come up with
some volunteers and code for an improved, interim zope.org site, would ZC

2) Could we get support from others in the Zope community for
infrastructure _not_ related to Plone?  

3) Could we arrange a reasonable division of labor for systems
administration so that things can get done?


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