>From what I have read online, the things that slow zope down are
primarily the numerous security checks and the large number of objects
that need to be written to the zodb when you save a document. Is there
a way we can manage these bottlenecks? Has anyone rated the
performance of say DTML vs ZPT? For a developer like myself, I derive
no benefits from zpt because the majority of my design elements are in
javascript and css. So I will continue to use dtml unless zpt actually
has better performance. Have performance/scalability studies been done
for any of the popular zope products? I'd like to reduce the number of
objects saved to the zodb if I knew how.

Thanks,
Tim

On 2/7/08, Dieter Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> quizzical wrote at 2008-2-6 16:03 -0800:
> > ...
> >Apologies if this is a dumb question, I have had a good look through the
> >archives and on the web. My question is basically about how to design a
> >website. I really like the ease with which you can build applications in
> >zope but I often see comments implying that in order to scale well one may
> >want to use a backend relational datbase. I have also seen several comments
> >to the effect that one should keep the state of a user session out of the
> >ZODB.
> >
> >I am slightly confused by this, I can't find any information which would
> >help me decide what data would be better off in a relational database.
>
> A relational database is good when you have large amounts
> of strictly structured data -- e.g. millions of user records
> where each user record has a fews fields with atomic datatypes.
>
> The ZODB is good when you have weakly structured or unstructured data
> and your write rate is not too high.
>
> The ZODB uses an almost self describing format. Therefore, it can
> store virtually everything, without any data model fixed beforehand.
> However, this leads to high redundancy and efficiency loss.
> This is not so problematic for unstructured or semi structured
> content -- as there is no much structure to exploit.
> It is also mot problematic for small amounts of data (then optimality
> is not an issue). But for large amounts of highly structured data,
> you can gain a lot with respect to space and time efficiency from
> a relational database.
>
>
>
> --
> Dieter
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