I think autopoiesis is an important concept, which has been underappreciated in AI because its original advocates (Varela especially) tied it in with anti-computationalism
Varela liked to contrast autopoietic systems with computational ones OTOH, I think of autopoiesis as a emergent property that computational systems are capable of giving rise to... -- Ben G On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yeah, that book is really good. Bohm was one of the great ones. > > Luhmann may have been the first to seriously suggest/defend the idea that > social systems are not just concepts but real ontological entities. Luhmann > took Maturana/Verala's autopoieisis and extended that to social systems. > > Which leads nicely into a question I've been meaning to ask... you're the > only AI researcher I'm aware of (in the US anyway) that has talked about > autopoieisis. I wonder what your thoughts are about it? To what extent has > that influenced your philosphy? Not looking for an essay here, but I'd be > interested in your brief reflections on it. > > Terren > > --- On *Fri, 10/10/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [agi] open or closed source for AGI project? > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 10:43 AM > > > Bohm: Yes ... a great book, though at the time I read it, I'd already > encountered most of the same ideas elsewhere... > > Luhmann: nope, never encountered his work... > > ben > > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> >> Hi Ben, >> >> I wonder if you've read Bohm's Thought as a System, or if you've been >> influenced by Niklas Luhmann on any level. >> >> Terren >> >> --- On *Fri, 10/10/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> There is a sense in which social groups are "mindplexes": they have >> mind-ness on the collective level, as well as on the individual level. >> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | >> Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first > overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
