Oh and also Francois said he’s volunteer. So I would propose to reshape the PMC to include volunteer guys.
Thoughts ? Regards JB Le mar. 6 déc. 2022 à 13:12, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> a écrit : > Hi > > I was about to reply. > > As it seems we have interest and volunteers, if the current PMC members > agree, we could extend the PMC to have new active people. > > As said I’m volunteer with Enrico to maintain jclouds as it used in other > Apache projects. > > What the other PMC members are thinking ? > > Regards > JB > > Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 16:32, Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com> a > écrit : > >> Any updates here? >> >> Enrico >> >> Il Mer 16 Nov 2022, 16:53 Juan Cabrerizo <j...@cloudsoft.io> ha scritto: >> >> > I concur with Enrico, >> > First warranty the Jclouds is patched when needed. it has to be secure. >> > Then keep alive the community of users/dependent projects responding to >> > issues and requests. >> > >> > Adding new cloud providers features seems to be for me the next step, >> but >> > it depends on the evolution on the necessities and other tooling. >> > >> > That's what I had in mind when I volunteered and I think is enough for >> > keeping live the project. >> > >> > Juan >> > >> > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 11:14, Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Il giorno lun 14 nov 2022 alle ore 11:59 Andrew Gaul <g...@apache.org >> > >> > > ha scritto: >> > > > >> > > > I would like to understand what the three potential PMC members >> plan to >> > > > do since jclouds already has many absentee committers and PMCs. For >> > > > example I seen only one commit in the last 5 years and no previous >> help >> > > > testing releases. Repeating my original mail: >> > > > >> > > > > Ideally the community could step up to sustain the project, e.g., >> > > > > reviewing pull requests, fixing issues, responding to mailing list >> > > > > queries, and eventually becoming committers themselves. Does >> anyone >> > > > > have a multi-year interest in jclouds that wants to help out? >> > > > >> > > > jclouds is also a critical dependency for my project S3Proxy which >> > > > accounts for 25% of jclouds Maven Central downloads. I would like >> to >> > > > see Apache jclouds continue instead of creating a private fork but >> > > > currently I do most of the maintenance with little community >> support. >> > > > How will this change under a new PMC set? >> > > >> > > (I am also volunteering, as posted in a previous message). >> > > In order to keep a project alive we must at least guarantee: >> > > - security fixes >> > > - responding to user requests >> > > >> > > There are other Apache projects that are widely used but they don't >> > > need many new features >> > > and they are pretty stable, >> > > >> > > In JClouds I would expect some work to follow the new features of the >> > > supported providers, >> > > but this is not strictly needed, it depends on users. >> > > >> > > Apart from "keeping it alive" we could try to boost it a little bit by >> > > engaging more with the well known >> > > projects that use it and ask them to advertise more about how they use >> > > JClouds >> > > >> > > my 2 cents >> > > Enrico >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 05:53:18AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Onofré >> wrote: >> > > > > Hi guys, >> > > > > >> > > > > thanks for your update ! >> > > > > >> > > > > I propose to prepare a quick plan describing: >> > > > > 1. PMC set proposal >> > > > > 2. Roadmap/ideas for jclouds future (I would like to mention Karaf >> > > Minho here) >> > > > > 3. Send the proposal on the mailing list to move forward on vote >> and >> > > > > inform the board >> > > > > >> > > > > Thoughts ? >> > > > > >> > > > > Regards >> > > > > JB >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 11:12 AM Juan Cabrerizo < >> j...@cloudsoft.io> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi, I'm a PMC member of Brooklyn, happy to try to help JClouds >> and >> > > joining >> > > > > > the committee. It's a core dependency for us. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards >> > > > > > Juan >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 at 16:22, Geoff Macartney < >> geom...@apache.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would also be willing to join the Jclouds PMC if that would >> be >> > > helpful. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards >> > > > > > > Geoff >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 11:15, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < >> > > j...@nanthrax.net> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I’m in ;) >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards >> > > > > > > > JB >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Le jeu. 10 nov. 2022 à 11:56, fpapon <fpa...@apache.org> a >> > > écrit : >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After some discussions with JB, we are ok to propose our >> help >> > > to join >> > > > > > > > > the PMC of JCloud and contribute to keep the project >> alive if >> > > anybody >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > ok. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Francois >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On 09/11/2022 21:57, Geoff Macartney wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Hello Andrew, and Jclouds PMC, >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to be so late in replying to this, I confess I >> > had >> > > missed >> > > > > > > it >> > > > > > > > > > when it was sent last month and only became aware of it >> > > today. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Speaking as a member of the Apache Brooklyn PMC I must >> > > confess I am >> > > > > > > > > > sad to hear this proposal. Jclouds is one of our most >> > > critical >> > > > > > > > > > dependencies, and I would worry about the implications >> for >> > > Brooklyn >> > > > > > > if >> > > > > > > > > > Jclouds moved to the Attic. I am worried in any case >> about >> > > the >> > > > > > > > > > implications of the lower activity in the community, but >> > > that is >> > > > > > > > > > another issue. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have been refreshing my memory about the PMC >> guidelines >> > on >> > > moving >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > the Attic [1]. These note that >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "In summary, the only reason for a project to move to >> the >> > > Attic is >> > > > > > > > > > lack of oversight due to an insufficient number of >> active >> > PMC >> > > > > > > members" >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (the minimum being three), and that electing willing >> > > community >> > > > > > > members >> > > > > > > > > > to the PMC would be the best way to keep it viable. If >> the >> > > worst >> > > > > > > comes >> > > > > > > > > > to the worst "the Board can "reboot" a PMC by >> > > re-establishing it with >> > > > > > > > > > a new or modified PMC". >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it would be worth doing a formal [VOTE] poll >> within >> > > Jclouds >> > > > > > > > > > PMC itself to see if at least three PMC members would be >> > > willing to >> > > > > > > > > > continue to carry out that role? If not, maybe other >> > options >> > > could be >> > > > > > > > > > explored before deciding to move to the Attic, such as >> some >> > > community >> > > > > > > > > > members joining the PMC. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What do you think? >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards >> > > > > > > > > > Geoff >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://apache.org/dev/pmc#move-to-attic >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 14:03, Andrew Gaul < >> g...@apache.org >> > > >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> jclouds development has slowed from 123 commits from 26 >> > > > > > > contributors in >> > > > > > > > > >> 2018 to just 24 from 6 contributors in 2022. This is >> > > despite >> > > > > > > growing >> > > > > > > > > >> downloads over the last 12 months from 50,000 to 80,000 >> > for >> > > > > > > jclouds-core >> > > > > > > > > >> alone. Unfortunately the number of active committers >> has >> > > shrunk >> > > > > > > and we >> > > > > > > > > >> will soon lack quorum for future releases. This means >> > that >> > > the >> > > > > > > project >> > > > > > > > > >> must move to the Apache attic. >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Ideally the community could step up to sustain the >> > project, >> > > e.g., >> > > > > > > > > >> reviewing pull requests, fixing issues, responding to >> > > mailing list >> > > > > > > > > >> queries, and eventually becoming committers themselves. >> > > Does anyone >> > > > > > > > > >> have a multi-year interest in jclouds that wants to >> help >> > > out? >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> If not, I will cut a final 2.6.0 release before >> retiring >> > the >> > > > > > > project. >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> -- >> > > > > > > > > >> Andrew Gaul >> > > > > > > > > >> http://gaul.org/ >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > François >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > -- >> > > > > > Juan Cabrerizo >> > > > > > Senior Software Engineer >> > > > > > >> > > > > > *Cloudsoft <https://cloudsoft.io/> *| Bringing Business to the >> > Cloud >> > > > > > j...@cloudsoft.io >> > > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/juancabrerizo >> > > > > > https://github.com/jcabrerizo >> > > > > > <https://github.com/jcabrerizo> >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Andrew Gaul >> > > > http://gaul.org/ >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Juan Cabrerizo >> > Senior Software Engineer >> > >> > *Cloudsoft <https://cloudsoft.io/> *| Bringing Business to the Cloud >> > j...@cloudsoft.io >> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/juancabrerizo >> > https://github.com/jcabrerizo >> > <https://github.com/jcabrerizo> >> > >> >
