I want to understand what the potential new committers plan to _do_. Currently I am the only active PMC writing code, reviewing PRs, and cutting releases. I do not see anyone volunteering to run the 2.6.0 release so I do not understand how the volunteers plan to continue the larger goal of continuing the project. Dissolving the project seems more kind to users than entering a zombie state like OpenOffice.
On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 01:12:47PM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > Hi > > I was about to reply. > > As it seems we have interest and volunteers, if the current PMC members > agree, we could extend the PMC to have new active people. > > As said I’m volunteer with Enrico to maintain jclouds as it used in other > Apache projects. > > What the other PMC members are thinking ? > > Regards > JB > > Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 16:32, Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > Any updates here? > > > > Enrico > > > > Il Mer 16 Nov 2022, 16:53 Juan Cabrerizo <j...@cloudsoft.io> ha scritto: > > > > > I concur with Enrico, > > > First warranty the Jclouds is patched when needed. it has to be secure. > > > Then keep alive the community of users/dependent projects responding to > > > issues and requests. > > > > > > Adding new cloud providers features seems to be for me the next step, but > > > it depends on the evolution on the necessities and other tooling. > > > > > > That's what I had in mind when I volunteered and I think is enough for > > > keeping live the project. > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 at 11:14, Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Il giorno lun 14 nov 2022 alle ore 11:59 Andrew Gaul <g...@apache.org> > > > > ha scritto: > > > > > > > > > > I would like to understand what the three potential PMC members plan > > to > > > > > do since jclouds already has many absentee committers and PMCs. For > > > > > example I seen only one commit in the last 5 years and no previous > > help > > > > > testing releases. Repeating my original mail: > > > > > > > > > > > Ideally the community could step up to sustain the project, e.g., > > > > > > reviewing pull requests, fixing issues, responding to mailing list > > > > > > queries, and eventually becoming committers themselves. Does > > anyone > > > > > > have a multi-year interest in jclouds that wants to help out? > > > > > > > > > > jclouds is also a critical dependency for my project S3Proxy which > > > > > accounts for 25% of jclouds Maven Central downloads. I would like to > > > > > see Apache jclouds continue instead of creating a private fork but > > > > > currently I do most of the maintenance with little community support. > > > > > How will this change under a new PMC set? > > > > > > > > (I am also volunteering, as posted in a previous message). > > > > In order to keep a project alive we must at least guarantee: > > > > - security fixes > > > > - responding to user requests > > > > > > > > There are other Apache projects that are widely used but they don't > > > > need many new features > > > > and they are pretty stable, > > > > > > > > In JClouds I would expect some work to follow the new features of the > > > > supported providers, > > > > but this is not strictly needed, it depends on users. > > > > > > > > Apart from "keeping it alive" we could try to boost it a little bit by > > > > engaging more with the well known > > > > projects that use it and ask them to advertise more about how they use > > > > JClouds > > > > > > > > my 2 cents > > > > Enrico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 05:53:18AM +0100, Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote: > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for your update ! > > > > > > > > > > > > I propose to prepare a quick plan describing: > > > > > > 1. PMC set proposal > > > > > > 2. Roadmap/ideas for jclouds future (I would like to mention Karaf > > > > Minho here) > > > > > > 3. Send the proposal on the mailing list to move forward on vote > > and > > > > > > inform the board > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 13, 2022 at 11:12 AM Juan Cabrerizo <j...@cloudsoft.io > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I'm a PMC member of Brooklyn, happy to try to help JClouds > > and > > > > joining > > > > > > > the committee. It's a core dependency for us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Juan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 at 16:22, Geoff Macartney < > > geom...@apache.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also be willing to join the Jclouds PMC if that would > > be > > > > helpful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 at 11:15, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > > > j...@nanthrax.net> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I’m in ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Le jeu. 10 nov. 2022 à 11:56, fpapon <fpa...@apache.org> a > > > > écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After some discussions with JB, we are ok to propose our > > help > > > > to join > > > > > > > > > > the PMC of JCloud and contribute to keep the project alive > > if > > > > anybody > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Francois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 09/11/2022 21:57, Geoff Macartney wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Andrew, and Jclouds PMC, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry to be so late in replying to this, I confess I > > > had > > > > missed > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > when it was sent last month and only became aware of it > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking as a member of the Apache Brooklyn PMC I must > > > > confess I am > > > > > > > > > > > sad to hear this proposal. Jclouds is one of our most > > > > critical > > > > > > > > > > > dependencies, and I would worry about the implications > > for > > > > Brooklyn > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > Jclouds moved to the Attic. I am worried in any case > > about > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > implications of the lower activity in the community, but > > > > that is > > > > > > > > > > > another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been refreshing my memory about the PMC guidelines > > > on > > > > moving > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > the Attic [1]. These note that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In summary, the only reason for a project to move to the > > > > Attic is > > > > > > > > > > > lack of oversight due to an insufficient number of active > > > PMC > > > > > > > > members" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (the minimum being three), and that electing willing > > > > community > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > to the PMC would be the best way to keep it viable. If > > the > > > > worst > > > > > > > > comes > > > > > > > > > > > to the worst "the Board can "reboot" a PMC by > > > > re-establishing it with > > > > > > > > > > > a new or modified PMC". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it would be worth doing a formal [VOTE] poll > > within > > > > Jclouds > > > > > > > > > > > PMC itself to see if at least three PMC members would be > > > > willing to > > > > > > > > > > > continue to carry out that role? If not, maybe other > > > options > > > > could be > > > > > > > > > > > explored before deciding to move to the Attic, such as > > some > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > members joining the PMC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > Geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://apache.org/dev/pmc#move-to-attic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 14:03, Andrew Gaul < > > g...@apache.org > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> jclouds development has slowed from 123 commits from 26 > > > > > > > > contributors in > > > > > > > > > > >> 2018 to just 24 from 6 contributors in 2022. This is > > > > despite > > > > > > > > growing > > > > > > > > > > >> downloads over the last 12 months from 50,000 to 80,000 > > > for > > > > > > > > jclouds-core > > > > > > > > > > >> alone. Unfortunately the number of active committers > > has > > > > shrunk > > > > > > > > and we > > > > > > > > > > >> will soon lack quorum for future releases. This means > > > that > > > > the > > > > > > > > project > > > > > > > > > > >> must move to the Apache attic. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Ideally the community could step up to sustain the > > > project, > > > > e.g., > > > > > > > > > > >> reviewing pull requests, fixing issues, responding to > > > > mailing list > > > > > > > > > > >> queries, and eventually becoming committers themselves. > > > > Does anyone > > > > > > > > > > >> have a multi-year interest in jclouds that wants to help > > > > out? > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> If not, I will cut a final 2.6.0 release before retiring > > > the > > > > > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > > > >> Andrew Gaul > > > > > > > > > > >> http://gaul.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > François > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Juan Cabrerizo > > > > > > > Senior Software Engineer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Cloudsoft <https://cloudsoft.io/> *| Bringing Business to the > > > Cloud > > > > > > > j...@cloudsoft.io > > > > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/juancabrerizo > > > > > > > https://github.com/jcabrerizo > > > > > > > <https://github.com/jcabrerizo> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Andrew Gaul > > > > > http://gaul.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Juan Cabrerizo > > > Senior Software Engineer > > > > > > *Cloudsoft <https://cloudsoft.io/> *| Bringing Business to the Cloud > > > j...@cloudsoft.io > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/juancabrerizo > > > https://github.com/jcabrerizo > > > <https://github.com/jcabrerizo> > > > > > -- Andrew Gaul http://gaul.org/
