I was tempted to dive into the L vs. E as it may apply to psychology and sociology, but will just offer this instead. Formal deprogramming! Say the quiet part, H, lol.
<https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/06/hillary-clinton-maga-cult-extremists-donald-trump-house-republicans-amanpour-cnntm-vpx.cnn> [231006072811-clinton-1006.jpg] Video: Clinton calls for 'formal deprogramming' of MAGA 'cult members' | CNN Politics<https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/06/hillary-clinton-maga-cult-extremists-donald-trump-house-republicans-amanpour-cnntm-vpx.cnn> cnn.com<https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/10/06/hillary-clinton-maga-cult-extremists-donald-trump-house-republicans-amanpour-cnntm-vpx.cnn> On Oct 5, 2023, at 2:04 PM, glen <geprope...@gmail.com> wrote: Rather than -emic vs -etic, I prefer Lagrangian vs Eulerian, respectively. This avoids the concept of "inside" vs "outside", which then avoids the scoping issue Marcus raised re: nation vs other types of boundaries. A self-imposed identity is just as imposed as an other-imposed identity. While some of us may chafe at other-imposed vs self-imposed, I think there's another type of person, those who resist any stable identity, whether other- or self-imposed. And resistance is the wrong way to frame it. It's more like a tendency to swirl around in an attractor versus a tendency to hop from one basin to another. He/Him may be relatively accurate today. But I'm not committing to its accuracy tomorrow. On 10/5/23 12:50, Steve Smith wrote: on Emic vs Etic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic> POVs. My own "individualism" is armatured significantly around "/I don't like to be told/" with being */told who I am/* perhaps the most egregious, even if I'm being told that "/I'm someone who doesn't like to be told who I am"/. -- glen -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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