When did I ever pretend to be small or a newcomer? My servers run as vanilla as possible. If attempting to prevent team stacking is invasive, then I guess I'm guilty as charged.
Of course I'm going to be concerned about my own growth. I play TF2 as well and I enjoy having a bunch of well-moderated, popular servers to choose from. At the same time, I'm concerned about the growth of the community as a whole. That includes servers that aren't mine. Dr. McKay www.doctormckay.com On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > McKay, check yourself - you're running 20 servers. Don't pretend to be > a small community or any sort of newcomer when many communities have > to compete while having only 1 or 2 servers. You're already entering > the domain of big server chains, so don't try to play to purity or > variety here when your community relies on a number of 24/7 map > servers. > > And learn some statistics before you try to point out the > "significance" of your network's growth, or even try to define what an > average is. You're a lot better off than a lot of people and really in > no place to complain about any of the changes Valve made. If you want > to steer clear of big chains with invasive plugins, how about you shut > down some of your servers, mkay? > > On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > > Bottiger: I have nothing against you or Lotus, as you seem to think I do. > > My point was merely that eventually, we'll just be left with the big > > chains. This means there's much less variety in the servers available to > > pick from. > > > > Nerdboy: You're reading too far into it. It's a big enough number to make > > Quickplay significant, but not so big as to ensure continued success. > > > > > > Dr. McKay > > www.doctormckay.com > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> You didn't say it was an average. You said that 19% of your quickplay > >> connections (of which you receive 47% of your total connections daily) > >> are retained as regular players. That means that daily, 8.93% of your > >> connections become regular players (not including those that saw your > >> network in the server list and just decided to join.) Unless that > >> wasn't what you were saying at all, in which case 19% is a lot more > >> insignificant. > >> > >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > >> > I don't think you understand what an average is. We retain *on > average* > >> > around 19% of Quickplay users. That's in total. In reality, we rely on > >> > Quickplay just as much as many others do. We're just fortunate enough > >> > to > >> > have a fairly large buffer of non-Quickplay players. > >> > > >> > > >> > Dr. McKay > >> > www.doctormckay.com > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I have a feeling your 10% daily growth in the past is going to plenty > >> >> to keep you afloat in these hard times. > >> >> > >> >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > >> >> > Except most of Quickplay has just been shut off from us. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Dr. McKay > >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Ok, but if you have ~50% quickplay traffic, and you're retaining > >> >> >> ~20% > >> >> >> of it, you should be set for a while. Just don't buy any more > >> >> >> servers > >> >> >> for a bit. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > >> >> >> > I log a bunch of stats about all players who connect to my > >> >> >> > community. > >> >> I > >> >> >> > queried my database. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > This is the plugin to log stats: > >> >> >> > https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=230832 > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Dr. McKay > >> >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Nerdboy <nerdb...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> Can you cite your source? > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 1/24/14, Doctor McKay <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > In my experience, 19% of people who join via Quickplay come > >> back. > >> >> >> >> > That's > >> >> >> >> > not an insignificant number. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Dr. McKay > >> >> >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Gordon Reynolds < > >> >> >> >> > thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> If your players were only in your servers because of > >> >> >> >> >> quickplay, > >> >> >> >> >> they > >> >> >> >> >> probably do not care one iota about your Server (the entity > >> that > >> >> is > >> >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> collection of your hardware, admins, regulars, plugins, > etc), > >> >> >> >> >> you > >> >> >> were > >> >> >> >> >> just > >> >> >> >> >> some hallway that connected them from "not playing TF2" to > >> >> "playing > >> >> >> >> TF2". > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> When their match is done and over, they hit disconnect, > never > >> >> >> >> >> add > >> >> >> >> >> you > >> >> >> >> >> to > >> >> >> >> >> favorites, and may never show back up again. You could see > >> >> >> >> >> this > >> >> >> >> >> as > >> >> >> >> "Valve > >> >> >> >> >> stealing your quickplay traffic" or you could see this as > >> "Valve > >> >> >> >> rounding > >> >> >> >> >> up the people who mash PLAYNOW and have no interest in > >> dedicated > >> >> >> >> servers, > >> >> >> >> >> or server communities". > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> It's a changing demographic - people just want to play > >> >> >> >> >> videogames, > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> >> >> really sign up for a whole 'favorite server loyalty > program'. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> And who cares if our servers "die out"? What are we out? > Ego? > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Doctor McKay > >> >> >> >> >> <mc...@doctormckay.com > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > For lack of a better word, this is the last stand of > >> community > >> >> >> >> servers. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > The smaller communities that depend on Quickplay to gain > >> >> >> >> >> > popularity > >> >> >> >> >> > will > >> >> >> >> >> > die out. We'll be left with nothing but the > >> >> >> >> >> > already-large-and-established > >> >> >> >> >> > server chains, like Lotus, Skial, Saigns, and NighTeam. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Dr. McKay > >> >> >> >> >> > www.doctormckay.com > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Gordon Reynolds < > >> >> >> >> >> > thisisgordonsem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure this is that big of a deal. > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > I've yet to see a single sane suggestion on how they > >> >> >> >> >> > > police > >> >> bad > >> >> >> >> >> > > servers > >> >> >> >> >> > > other than "have people report them", which sounds like > a > >> >> >> >> >> > > bad > >> >> >> idea > >> >> >> >> >> > > for > >> >> >> >> >> > many > >> >> >> >> >> > > hopefully obvious reasons. > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > These are just video game servers; you aren't making > >> >> >> >> >> > > money > >> >> >> >> >> > > off > >> >> >> >> >> > > them, > >> >> >> >> >> > > if > >> >> >> >> >> > > they sit empty you aren't losing money off them either > >> [more > >> >> >> >> >> > > than > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> >> >> > cost > >> >> >> >> >> > > of running the server, which you're already doing]. And > >> >> >> >> >> > > if > >> >> >> >> >> > > you > >> >> >> are > >> >> >> >> >> > (making > >> >> >> >> >> > > or losing money), then I would say Valve wants to put > >> >> >> >> >> > > those > >> >> >> >> >> > > kind > >> >> >> >> >> > > of > >> >> >> >> >> > servers > >> >> >> >> >> > > out, as they generally fart up the experience with > >> >> >> >> >> > > donation > >> >> >> >> requests, > >> >> >> >> >> or > >> >> >> >> >> > > donor perks, annoying MOTDs, sound packs, or whatever > >> >> >> >> >> > > else > >> >> >> >> >> > > you > >> >> >> >> >> > > crazy > >> >> >> >> >> > > SourceMod kiddies do nowadays. > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > People here are acting as if this some last stand > >> situation. > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Game-Over > >> >> >> >> >> > > <gameover.serv...@gmail.com > >> >> >> >> >> > > >wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > We've spoken before via Email and as an honest server > >> >> >> >> >> > > > operator > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> >> >> > > > have > >> >> >> >> >> > > > followed your directions via email to the letter. > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > So, Fletcher, please justify this ludicrous move you > >> >> >> >> >> > > > have > >> >> now > >> >> >> >> >> > > > made > >> >> >> >> >> > > > to > >> >> >> >> >> > > > Quickplay, after all of the support that we (us) > >> >> >> >> >> > > > genuine > >> >> >> >> >> > > > server > >> >> >> >> >> owners > >> >> >> >> >> > > have > >> >> >> >> >> > > > given you in the past years. > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > You chose this route rather than actually dealing with > >> >> >> >> >> > > > corrupt > >> >> >> >> >> > > > server > >> >> >> >> >> > > > owners themselves, which we (on this mailing list) > have > >> >> asked > >> >> >> >> >> > > > you > >> >> >> >> >> > > > to > >> >> >> >> >> do > >> >> >> >> >> > > on > >> >> >> >> >> > > > multiple 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