Like green ghosting? Like the need to put an expensive UV/IR filter on any lens you plan to use on the M8? And the outrageous prices they were charging to upgrade the lenses with some black stripes painted on the base so the camera would recognize the lens you were using?
On May 18, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > It's pretty clear that Leica shipped a camera with known fatal flaws > with the M8. Some of the flaws have been solved, others have not and > cannot be. > > The interesting thing is how Leica handled reviews of the M8 on > introduction, there were some severe fireworks over Leica taking > offense to reviewers stating the obvious. > > -Adam > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Tom C <caka...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Wow... >> >> Thanks. So it seems they totally dropped the ball. What's hard to >> comprehend is how the camera made it through QA with such a crippling >> defect. It sounds to me like little QA or a very very defective test >> plan. Or as sometimes happens in the software world, people at lower >> levels realize there are problems but because management is determined >> to meet a farcical release date and at the same time has created an >> environment in which people fear to speak up, plans go forward and >> management ends up with the mess they deserve. >> >> Tom C. >> >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:52 AM, P N Stenquist <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >>> >>> On May 18, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Tom C wrote: >>> >>>> Makes Pentax sound wonderful by comparison. But surely the problem >>>> was not limited to Jeffrey's camera, so there's somewhat of a >>>> disconnect for me. Wouldn't just about every (or certainly many) Leica >>>> owner(s) that paid $6K for their tool be up in arms? >>>> >>> >>> Many M8 owners were up in arms. A pro shooter friend of mine who had used >>> Leica film cameras for years bought an M8. He struggled with it for a few >>> months, then sold it. Apparently, the M9 is a much better camera, but Leica >>> definitely damaged its reputation with the M8. >>> Paul >>> >>>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan <rf.sulli...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Jeffery, >>>>> Well thats a word or two to the wise... >>>>> Saves me a lot of money. >>>>> Regards, Bob S. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeffery Smith <jsmith...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I got flamed on the Leica Users Group forum for mentioning this, but my >>>>>> M8's were anything but reliable. My first one died after about a week, >>>>>> and >>>>>> Leica ignored all of my phone calls and emails until I finally contacted >>>>>> the >>>>>> president of the company personally. If you aren't a professional >>>>>> photographer, you can forget about customer service from Leica. You don't >>>>>> exist. The second M8 body would not recognize any of the memory cards I >>>>>> used. Leica blamed the memory cards and refused to repair or replace the >>>>>> camera. I bought every different brand of memory card listed as >>>>>> compatible >>>>>> on Leica's site, and all gave me a "no memory card" error until I removed >>>>>> the battery, waited a few minutes, and then reinserted the battery (which >>>>>> apparently rebooted the camera). I had to repeat this every time I >>>>>> wanted to >>>>>> shoot a frame. Once the camera was turned off or turned itself off, the >>>>>> no >>>>>> memory card error reappeared. Until a new firmware upgrade appeared last >>>>>> year, the M8 just sat in a drawer. The firmware upgrade seems to have >>>>>> fixed >>>>>> the memory card problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pro photographers and photographers wealthy enough to afford an attorney >>>>>> get good service from Leica USA. Grunts like myself (a teacher) aren't >>>>>> given >>>>>> the time of day. I have refrained from mentioning my problems on the LUG >>>>>> except when a pro photographer posts a message saying that Leica customer >>>>>> service is absolutely the best. I then mention the problems I had and >>>>>> get my >>>>>> ass flamed as a heretic. I finally unsubscribed from the LUG as it became >>>>>> less and less a forum about photography. The die hard photojournalist >>>>>> types >>>>>> on the LUG now post incessant photos of their dog, their flowers, or >>>>>> buildings. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leica film rangefinders are great, and reliable. Leica doesn't seem to >>>>>> know anything whatsoever about digital cameras. If you want a digital >>>>>> camera >>>>>> with a Leica lens, buy a Panasonic! They are great! If you can live with >>>>>> only wide angle to normal lenses, the GF1 is a wonderful little camera. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeffery >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 18, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I worked with Leica RF cameras on and off from 1969 to 2002. I'd enjoy >>>>>>> an M4-P again, but I know I'd never work with film enough again to >>>>>>> warrant the expense. I'd enjoy an M8 or M9 now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have fun with it. Although it's expensive, it's just a camera ... a >>>>>>> darn good one with a great lens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Godfrey >>>>>>> godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>>> follow the directions. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>>> follow the directions. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>>> PDML@pdml.net >>>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>>> follow the directions. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >>> follow the directions. >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> > > > > -- > M. 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