I think it would actually work without the digital encoding. The rest
however...
On 5/18/2010 11:50 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:
Like green ghosting? Like the need to put an expensive UV/IR filter on any lens
you plan to use on the M8? And the outrageous prices they were charging to
upgrade the lenses with some black stripes painted on the base so the camera
would recognize the lens you were using?
On May 18, 2010, at 10:18 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
It's pretty clear that Leica shipped a camera with known fatal flaws
with the M8. Some of the flaws have been solved, others have not and
cannot be.
The interesting thing is how Leica handled reviews of the M8 on
introduction, there were some severe fireworks over Leica taking
offense to reviewers stating the obvious.
-Adam
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Tom C<caka...@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow...
Thanks. So it seems they totally dropped the ball. What's hard to
comprehend is how the camera made it through QA with such a crippling
defect. It sounds to me like little QA or a very very defective test
plan. Or as sometimes happens in the software world, people at lower
levels realize there are problems but because management is determined
to meet a farcical release date and at the same time has created an
environment in which people fear to speak up, plans go forward and
management ends up with the mess they deserve.
Tom C.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:52 AM, P N Stenquist<pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote:
On May 18, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Tom C wrote:
Makes Pentax sound wonderful by comparison. But surely the problem
was not limited to Jeffrey's camera, so there's somewhat of a
disconnect for me. Wouldn't just about every (or certainly many) Leica
owner(s) that paid $6K for their tool be up in arms?
Many M8 owners were up in arms. A pro shooter friend of mine who had used
Leica film cameras for years bought an M8. He struggled with it for a few
months, then sold it. Apparently, the M9 is a much better camera, but Leica
definitely damaged its reputation with the M8.
Paul
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Bob Sullivan<rf.sulli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Jeffery,
Well thats a word or two to the wise...
Saves me a lot of money.
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeffery Smith<jsmith...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I got flamed on the Leica Users Group forum for mentioning this, but my
M8's were anything but reliable. My first one died after about a week, and
Leica ignored all of my phone calls and emails until I finally contacted the
president of the company personally. If you aren't a professional
photographer, you can forget about customer service from Leica. You don't
exist. The second M8 body would not recognize any of the memory cards I
used. Leica blamed the memory cards and refused to repair or replace the
camera. I bought every different brand of memory card listed as compatible
on Leica's site, and all gave me a "no memory card" error until I removed
the battery, waited a few minutes, and then reinserted the battery (which
apparently rebooted the camera). I had to repeat this every time I wanted to
shoot a frame. Once the camera was turned off or turned itself off, the no
memory card error reappeared. Until a new firmware upgrade appeared last
year, the M8 just sat in a drawer. The firmware upgrade seems to have fixed
the memory card problem.
Pro photographers and photographers wealthy enough to afford an attorney
get good service from Leica USA. Grunts like myself (a teacher) aren't given
the time of day. I have refrained from mentioning my problems on the LUG
except when a pro photographer posts a message saying that Leica customer
service is absolutely the best. I then mention the problems I had and get my
ass flamed as a heretic. I finally unsubscribed from the LUG as it became
less and less a forum about photography. The die hard photojournalist types
on the LUG now post incessant photos of their dog, their flowers, or
buildings.
Leica film rangefinders are great, and reliable. Leica doesn't seem to
know anything whatsoever about digital cameras. If you want a digital camera
with a Leica lens, buy a Panasonic! They are great! If you can live with
only wide angle to normal lenses, the GF1 is a wonderful little camera.
Jeffery
On May 18, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
I worked with Leica RF cameras on and off from 1969 to 2002. I'd enjoy
an M4-P again, but I know I'd never work with film enough again to
warrant the expense. I'd enjoy an M8 or M9 now.
Have fun with it. Although it's expensive, it's just a camera ... a
darn good one with a great lens.
--
Godfrey
godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com
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