Re: BERNER-L digest 4556
Could you please take me off the mailing list...thanks! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BERNER-L Digest 4556 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Everything you ever wnated to know about elbows by Tim McNair 2) list by Betsy Brainard 3) Re: Everything you ever wanted to know about elbows by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) carting clinic by Andrea Brin 5) Re: BERNER-L digest 4555 by Tim McNair 6) Re: no-pull devices by S. Walquist and J. Patenaude 7) Re: BERNER-L digest 4555 by S. Walquist and J. Patenaude 8) Puppy Rescue by Andie Reid 9) Lancaster Boycott by Pat Long Paul Dangel 10) Re: Everything you ever wanted to know about elbows by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) FYI: Articles on Health, Orthopedic evaluations, etc. by Patricia Tackett 12) Simbo's 4th Birthday! by Jean Cheesman 13) Berner is pet store by Chris Marjorie Cottle 14) I spoke too soon by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: Gentle Leader by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: BERNER-L digest 4553 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: Gentle Leader by Janice Parky 18) JUST ONE MORE DAY by Dr. William B. Neff 19) RE: BERNER-L digest 4555 - Nipping Puppy by Ivana Leonard 20) RE: JUST ONE MORE DAY BG Fundraiser by Pat Long Paul Dangel 21) RE: JUST ONE MORE DAY BG Fundraiser by Dr. William B. Neff 22) Re: toe sprain by [EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTACHMENT part 2.1 message/rfc822 From: Tim McNair To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Everything you ever wnated to know about elbows Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:56:54 -0700 We have a 16 month old boy with pretty bad elbow dysplasia who has just had surgery and I thought that I'd share our experiences with you so if you're ever in this situation it may make your decision making a bit easier. We did a bunch of research and saw several docs to try to figure out what's best. Bottom line--no one knows for sure. My task was perhaps a bit easier since I could talk doc-to doc and the anatomy is similar. Elbow dysplasia is thought by most to be caused by incongruency between the radius and ulna (bones in the forearm). This is thoought to be very small in teh range of a few millimeters. This causes changes in the way weight is born on the joint leading to wear on the cartilage in places it was not meant to wear, eventually exposing bone. There are several procedures that have been tried to fix this--none of which work reliably. (FWIW anytime there are multiple surgical procedures to fix a problem it means none of them works very well.) The first procedure was an ulnar osteotomy--cutting the ulna to shorten it thus changing the stress on the joint. My understanding is that almost nobody does this anymore because it doesn't work. The current vogue is radial osteotomy--cutting the radius to shorten it (it seems to me that it woul be pretty much the same as lengthing the ulna) . Sometimes this seems to help. BUT and it is a huge but. You can't accurately predict wihich animal it will help and it almost as frequently hurts. Dr. Davis at UC Davis has done a lot of research on this. It is felt by the guys that do this that it corrects the inconguency. Dr. Davis has done research that shows that you can't tell when a joint is incongruent. He created incongruent joints in cadaver dogs, x-rayed them and sent the pictures to radiologists. They were no better than chance and figuring out whether the joint was incongruent or not. In other words the test to see whehter or not surgery might help is NOT RELIABLE. He thinks the dogs that do get better are largely a matter of chance. Remember we are talking about millimeters here--so if you get it just right it works if not it doesn't---orthopedic surgery just isn't that precise. Another new procedure is called an ulnar splitting osteotomy, where they split the ulna to change the weight bearing. The folks that do this are apparantly clicquish and have not published any data in any journals to show that the procedure actually works. Dr Schulz is very sceptical about this since there is no published data. The last procedure is one he has invented a humeral osteotomy, changing the weight bearing at the elbow by changing the angle that the humerus impacts the elbow as I understand it. He's been doing these for a couple of years and says he's got an 80% success rate, but also has a 5% complete failure rate, making the joint worse. He's still trying to figure out what makes the difference. All 4 of these are major procedures with a long recovery time, think months. In addition you can only do one limb at a time. A lot of rehab is needed. Probably the best initial step, the one Dr Schulz recommends, and the way we went is arthroscopy. First it allows you to see exactly what is going on. Second, it allows you to remove loose bodies from the joint. If there are loose bodies they will cause more damage if they are left behind. Third you can do both elbows at once. As he does the procedure he makes micro-fractures
Thank you on nipping advice
I just wanted to thank all the wonderful Berner owners who took the time to respond to my question on nipping. You are all so kind caring. Pudge is slowly learning not to nip so hard we are slowly learning to yell Ouch at the top of our lungs walk away. We are quite the sight some days ;-) Will continue to read learn be back with more questions. Nancy
Gelli goes to College
Well doggy friends, I was very busy last week! I went to college with my Dad and helped him teach three lectures and two seminars. He says I'm his teaching assistant. In the lectures I take attendance by going up and down the aisles checking out each person. If the girls are wearing sandals I lick their toes and make them giggle. And I check their bags for contraband - no food allowed in the classroom unless I get some of it. After I check everyone out I settle down by the lectern for a snooze while my Dad walks around talking. Sometimes people come in late and I make sure that they don't sneak in unnoticed. I also am an adjunct in the environmental health and safety department - I'm teaching my students not to put stuff on the floor in the classroom. Coffee cup lids are great fun. I pick them up and toss them in the air, catch them and then bring them back to the person who dropped them. And I teach the No Cell Phones rule. If a cell phone wakes me up I find the culprit and sit in front of them until they turn the phone off. My students are pretty smart - they usually learn their lesson the first time. And its amazing how much learning happens when you make an example of someone. Going to college is not all work. When we walk outdoors between classes I find chewing gum. Dad always says, Leave it! but some of that gum smells just too good to resist. And walking across campus is so much fun because the girls always say how cute I am and stop to say hello. I think the automatic doors are fascinating. I stand in front of the doors and they just open. I don't have to sit and wait or anything! I ride elevators, too but on those I have to be polite - I wait until everyone else goes through the doors before me. From Gelli's family: We are totally thrilled! All our work this summer has paid off in a well-behaved, well socialized pup. And for a 5 month old tyke Gelli did very, very well. He could use some work on leash walking and leave it but on the whole he was fantastic. This means that we do not have to leave him home in the crate, and he and Jim get to spend time together. (I suppose that this consitutes a brag - check goes out tonite.) = Patricia Buickerood __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Sonoma Puppy raffle - not a good thing
Our local NBC news just reported on the Sonoma Valley Harvest Auction held today. They specifically reported that a golden retreiver puppy was auctioned and brought $2800 - a good thing. I know we have had some very elegant letter writers before on the topic so if anyone is interested in communicating with the parties to this auction they are The Sonoma Valley Wine HArvest Auction, the Fairmont Sonoma Mission Inn where the auction was held, and NBC news San Francisco who thinks this is a good thing. Kathie Meier Greenbrae CA NBC11 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sonoma Valley Harvest Wine Auction 17964 Sonoma Highway, Sonoma, CA 95476 Phone 707.935.0803 Fax 707.935.1947 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lot 5 Sonoma Valley 2003 Harvest Wine Auction They Call It Puppy Love Southern living just isn't complete without Old Faithful stretched out on the porch. This registered, 10 week-old black Labrador Retriever hunting dog is already a winner descended from an elite line of field champions. Whether he's fetching a bird for you or just being your best friend, this prime pooch is sure to be a top-notch life companion. Move over Rufus-here comes Champ! Lot includes: -Labrador Retriever, male, 10 weeks old, registered and descended from a line of field champions. Dog must be picked up from Ornbaun Kennels by September 7, 2003. Opening bid: $750 Auction location: The Fairmont Sonoma Mission Inn Spa P.O. Box 1447 Sonoma, California United States 95476-1447 Telephone: (707) 938-9000 Fax: (707) 938-4250 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Draft workshop/match in VA
Hi all, The Potomac Valley Bernese Mtn Dog Club will be hosting a Drafting match and workshop in Strasburg, VA (about 15 min south of Winchester, VA off Interstate 81) on Sunday, October 12, 2003. This workshop/match is open to ALL Working breeds. The morning session: For beginners- Instructors will help you learn and teach your dog a safe, basic introduction to draft/carting work. Your progression will depend on how your dog reacts to each stage of the draft work. Experienced drafters can help the newcomers or work with their dogs with the beginners as distractions. The afternoon session: Draft match- a regular match for anyone who would like practice and for anyone from the morning session that feels their dog is ready to try a draft course. Group stays will be available. Each team in the match will be videotaped and available for puchase so that you may review your performance. Please bring any carting equipment that you may have. We will have extra harnesses, carts, etc, but it never hurts to have more. If you do bring extra equipment please be sure that it is labeled with your name to avoid any confusion at the end of the day. Carting equipment by Wilczek Woodworks will be available for purchase. For more detailed information (I have only given the basics here), please visit: http://www.pvbmdc.org/new_page_12.htm All Day Workshop Match - $20 per dog Afternoon Match only- $6.00 per entry Lunch- $5 each person (this is not on the website page) Registration closes Oct. 6, 2003. For a Registration form, please contact: Nancy or Jerry Pixton 540-465-3787 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope to see you there! Andrea Stefanac Chance CD NDD CGC TT Barkley- draft dog to be Richmond, VA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Berner sightings- NY state
Hi all, Chris and I have just returned from our vacation (Dakota the mutt and Barkley the Berner got to go- Chance stayed with our trainer) and I had a couple of Berner sightings to report. First was on a bag of dog food and a bag of treats (don't recall the name of the food)in a Tractor Supply store in Watertown, NY. Second was in Cazenovia, NY. We were staying at a Bed Breakfast and were driving into town on East Lake Rd when we saw a beautiful Berner standing in it's driveway. I didn't see the owner anywhere obviously (in the very quick glance I had before we drove too far past the home) so I didn't even suggest to Chris that we turn around to meet the dog or it's owner. Suggesting that would only confirm to him that I've lost my mind over this Berner stuff! LOL Anyone know who these Berners are? Glad to be home, Andrea Stefanac Chance, Barkley, Dakota Richmond, VA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
RE: BERNER-L digest 4558 - Questions
Susan I find that the best way to give my dogs pills is to squish some cat food or really smelly stuff like sardines or cheese around the tablet. Sometimes I find I have to roll the tablet 2 or 3 times if Leo spits it out, but eventually he takes it he mostly thinks it's a treat because both he and Oscar love cat food. I always say to them 'sit be good I'll give you a treat' They know the word treat before they realise it's a tablet wrapped in the treat they've taken it. Good luck Ivana Canberra - Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, 2 September 2003 3:01 PM To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: BERNER-L digest 4558 BERNER-L Digest 4558 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Gentle Leaders by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Happy 1st Birthday ... by Mike Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Questions by Susan M. Theus [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Berner Walk by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Re: Questions by Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Berner-Garde Fundraiser is over - BUT - you can still send a check... by Dr. William B. Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: BERNER-L digest 4556 by Orlando Urena [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Thank you on nipping advice by Nancy Plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Gelli goes to College by P. Buickerood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Sonoma Puppy raffle - not a good thing by Kathleen A. Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Draft workshop/match in VA by Andrea Stefanac [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Berner sightings- NY state by Andrea Stefanac [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) An unbelievable 48 hours by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Old dogs and over heating
Hi List, You most know me by my blind dog (the original PRA puppy) and just for being here silently for years. I have a problem, and need some help. My (non blind) old guy is 11.9 years old. He has been huffing and puffing on his daily walks for about 2 months. He also has been drinking water in volumes which I thought was one of two things. Diabetes or Congestive Heart Failure. Not a usual case of having the two symptoms, so I was stumped. My trusted vet says it's neither of these so we did an exam on him which I was reluctant at his age. She put him down lightly and felt his lower palate. It's very hard so seems he's not getting enough air to cool himself upon exertion. He does exhibit the symptoms of heat exhaustion during these episodes, and alcohol baths or cold water brings him back to normal. Blood Glucose is normal. 1) Anyone had this syndrome? (my vet ways it's common, but unknown ) 2) Should I shave him? I live in the Redwoods, and protect all my dogs from the sun. (we have little sun here in the forest) Shaving would give me some extra space to saturate him with water or alcohol in a crisis. We alcoholed him down at the vets last week as it was hot being out of the woods. (abnormal hot day) 3) Back to shaving, is that a good idea for cooling? We never let our dogs go for, nor are they use to, being in the sun. Always sheade here in the woods. I know about the cooling pads, and have them. Any info, ideas or advise is appreciated Lary and Whitney, Miss PRA Berner 1996 Baker, Thought I was blind, but fooled ya! Aspen, The old hot guy, locked in a garage for a year then moved to California... Still kickin stong! my parents both lived to be over 12! Pescadero, California
Re: An unbelievable 48 hours
Gee, Cathi, what a difficult time this must be for you. Big cyber hugs! But whilst we can't make any of it go away, I'm sure we can help out with the bills. If we can raise money for the Berner garde and various other Berner related charities, I'm sure we equally help out a Berner pal of ours who has enough to worry about at the moment without having to worry about horrendous vet bills on top of it all. And don't think you owe huge gratitude for this, either. Not in the slightest! We could all forsake just one purchase, skip one dinner out, go without something which really isn't essential to our happiness or well-being. Berners, on the other hand, are. Please send snail mail address. My hereby cancelled hairdressing appointment for tomorrow cheque will have an INFINITELY more useful purpose. Who needs low-lights in their hair for their happiness?? Well, quite. See, no gratitude necessary ( plus, my hair thanks you profusely ! Less chemicals - hurrah!) Anyone else who can go without something? Big hugs to Bacchus, Ari you! Prayers are on their way, cheque following shortly! Michaela, Harvey Rupert Devon/UK
a team effort
sometimes help a dog in need requires a team effort. you all were great when it came to hugo and his chair. is there something we can do to band together and help cathi so that both her dogs have the best medical care possible. what if we were in her shoes? i certainly would be willing to help organize something. ideas? andrea, woofit and chi shavertown, pa http://www.brin.org/Woofit_and_Chi/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor NaturalBerners Features found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalBerners/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
To the coward who is A Kessel
Thanks for the horrible private post. I'm not suffering enough for you I guess. To even respond to your poison sickens me but in case there are others who may think I posted as a way to get money..you are wrong. I had already decided on Saturday that I wouldn't even apply to BEHAF because, even though I am no longer on the board, I didn't want there to be a hint of impropriety. Excuse me that I felt the need to vent to the people who have become my friends over the last 5 years or so. And I did think twice before posting about my divorce, but thought it could serve as a cautionary tale as well. How was I to know that my marriage would end after almost 20 years? That my husband would, as you put it, finaly [sic] figure out I was a fat, ugly b. And as for your suggestion that I get a real job. Again it disgusts me to even respond. I have worked since I was a teenager [I am now 47]. Now I cannot work due to medical reasons. I hope spewing the vile vomit got it out of your system. I feel sorry for you. If anyone would like me to forward this curse laden sack of bile to you privately, please let me know. I won't insult the entire list by doing so. But it is very eyeopening to think there are people like this out there. To everyone else that has posted with their kind words and prayersI thank you. That is all I was hoping for. Just prayers for Ari and Bacchus and a little moral support for me. Just like so many of us have needed from time to time. Cathi
To the coward who is A Kessel
Just so everyone knows some of the details, this is a person who isn't civilized enough to sign the post, used an email address that isn't subscribed to the List, and apparently just enjoys spewing poison to make other people miserable. If anyone has any knowledge of just who A Kessel is, please contact me. This is not someone who belongs on the Berner-L. A Kessel, if you have any guts, you'll let me know your Berner-L email address so I can delete you. But I'm reasonably sure you don't have the dignity or courage that it takes to be open and honest about what you've done. I'd love to be proven wrong on this one. Pat Long Berner-L co-owner Berwyn PA mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .
Ari and Bacchus (and Cathi) in distress
Cathi, I cannot believe someone would be so cold and cruel to you in this time of tragedy for you and your canine family! Bloat and cancer -- those of us who deeply love our Berners (as I know full well you do) have to live in terror of these threats to our beloved dogs every day. You deserve our support and caring compassion as fellow Berner lovers. Please know that the overwhelming majority of list members are NOT like this unbelievable person (and I use the term loosely) and our thoughts and prayers are with you in your time of need. From rescue dogs to cancer victims (of all species).we must remember we will all eventually have times of need. Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy Perc) and foster Bernerboy: Brew/Bruin
RE: Lakes
I have a four month old Berner who loves to play and romp around in a lake by my house. This lake is not for swimming by any means, but this is a fishing lake. Are there any concerns I should have or precautions I should take when he is done playing in the lake with all of his dog friends. Basically, what risks are associated and how can I minimize them? Jason Reilly (the 4 mo. old pup)
Re: BERNER-L digest 4558
I am looking for a breedr named Sandra Beard, she used to use the name Sunnybrook in VA - Original Message - From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:01 AM Subject: BERNER-L digest 4558 BERNER-L Digest 4558 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Gentle Leaders by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Happy 1st Birthday ... by Mike Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Questions by Susan M. Theus [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Berner Walk by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Re: Questions by Eileen Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Berner-Garde Fundraiser is over - BUT - you can still send a check... by Dr. William B. Neff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: BERNER-L digest 4556 by Orlando Urena [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Thank you on nipping advice by Nancy Plain [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Gelli goes to College by P. Buickerood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Sonoma Puppy raffle - not a good thing by Kathleen A. Meier [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Draft workshop/match in VA by Andrea Stefanac [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Berner sightings- NY state by Andrea Stefanac [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) An unbelievable 48 hours by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When a puppy joins the family ...
Within the past few weeks, someone had posted to the List with a number of questions regarding bringing a puppy into a home with an existing dog. In particular, I remember a question about confining the older dog, e.g. in the kitchen, to keep the pup company versus letting the older dog keep his routine by sleeping wherever he wants. I don't recall seeing any posts responding to the original message. Since I will be in the same position in the coming months, bringing a new puppy into my home with my 2 1/2-year-old BMD Jake, I was wondering what sort of advice - aside from not upsetting Jake's routine too much and making sure he doesn't feel ousted as top dog - the more experienced Listers could offer. In particular, advice regarding sleeping arrangements, as mentioned above, would be appreciated. Many thanks. Maureen Barry Montreal (Quebec) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Re: When a puppy joins the family ...
Hi Maureen et al When I add a new pup not of my own breeding, it has its space in the house and the older dogs get their space. The pup needs to learn its independence and has plenty of time to be with the older dog. I do not shut the older dog away from the pup so it can keep the pup company if it wants, but I do not force that company. Even with pups of my own breeding, the pups sleep in the kitchen in their crates at night and the adults have the run of the house as always. This has worked well for me now and I am working on my 6th and 7th berner pups. Molly and the gang Charlottesville, VA
Pup's first meaty bone...not a great experience
Hello list members, I'm hoping you can give me some advice regarding Chelsea's first experience with a meaty bone. I was at the butcher's on the weekend, and picked up a big beef knuckle bone to give to our 7 month old berner Chelsea for some recreational chewing. It's better than rawhide, and good for her teeth and gums. Well, she enjoyed it all right. Too much so. I gave it to her outside in the yard, and let her gnaw on it for a bit. She loved it. After about 6-7 minutes, I decided it was time to stop the chewing (didn't want her ingesting too much fat/rich meat so as to upset her tummy). I approched her to take away the bone, and she started growling at me when I got to be about 1 foot away from her! A very nasty sounding growl at that! (no teeth baring, just vocalizations) It got louder as i moved my hand toward the bone. Scary even. So i did the only thing i could think of to get the bone away from her ...i went into the house and cut a nice chunk of cheese. I held that in front of her nose, and she eventually went for it. When she did, i grabbed the bone. This is a very concerning situation for me, as she has NEVER growled at me (or anyone, or any dog) before. I wouldn't say she is overly possessive of her toys, but she doesn't give them up on command that easily either. We've taken her to a puppy manners class, followed by a formal obedience class (all using positive reinforcement techniques). We learned how to do the give command, and i've been practicing it with her, but she's not doing ALL that great at it. Still, she's never growled at me until this meaty bone incident. She is not protective of her food (kibble) either. I can stick my hands in her bowl, take it away whenever, and she never even flinches. Doesn't mind at all. Does anyone have any suggestions for me? Based on this past episode, i'd almost rather not give her the bone if it's going to elicit that sort of reaction. Obviously the ideal situation would be to work with her so she learns not to growl or be possive of the bone, so that we can continue giving them to her. Help, please (sorry this is so long winded!) Thanks so much! Alison Chelsea (i want my meaty bone back NOW!!!)
Re: Pup's first meaty bone...not a great experience
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, she enjoyed it all right. Too much so. I gave it to her outside in the yard, and let her gnaw on it for a bit. She loved it. After about 6-7 minutes, I decided it was time to stop the chewing (didn't want her ingesting too much fat/rich meat so as to upset her tummy). I approched her to take away the bone, and she started growling at me when I got to be about 1 foot away from her! A very nasty sounding growl at that! (no teeth baring, just vocalizations) It got louder as i moved my hand toward the bone. Scary even. So i did the only thing i could think of to get the bone away from her ...i went into the house and cut a nice chunk of cheese. I held that in front of her nose, and she eventually went for it. When she did, i grabbed the bone. Ok, first off, I must say that while this was a scary moment, you did the right thing by not pouncing on your dog and trying to force her to give over the bone. Even my most Omega bitch can and will fight the Alpha dog over something like a bone or food. Some people will tell you that if your dog is possession protective you have to do some sort of major dominance attack--alpha roll over, aggressive eye contact, shaking the dog by the scruff, etc. I don't do that at all. WE are the primates, the ones WITH the logic, and we should use our minds, not our strength, to socialize our dogs and bend them to our wills. What you want to do now is train your dog to hand over possessions, and you do this by having the dog swap one item for another on command. Start with something the dog likes but is not overly attached to--chew toy, soda bottle, whatever. As the dog is engrossed in the item, approach with something *spectacular* that the dog will really want: smelly cheese, meat, whatever. Give your dog the command (swap, give it, hand it over, drop, whatever you want to use) and then take the item and hand over the treat (take the item, click and treat if you do clicker training). Lather, rinse repeat. Continue this and continue upping the stakes, with better and better items getting swapped. I also incorporated coming to me, doing a sit stay, and waiting for the treat so my dog does not have to see the better treat in my hand in order to drop the contraband or the raw bone or whatever. Might I suggest some reading? Anything by Jean Donaldson is good, but the one I have and love the most is The Culture Clash which is all about how to turn out a good citizen canine. Try not to feel bad or get too hung up on your girl growling at you. Dogs growl, even at their best canine pals. Your pup is at an age where she is trying on some bossy behavior, so now is the time to start giving her lots of rewards for doing what you want, so you cultivate in her a desire to please. I suggest a Nothing In Life Is Free approach. She wants dinner? She does a sit-stay until released. She wants out? She heels around the room first. She wants a toy? First she can do some tricks. Anything to have her find complying with your commands is fun and rewarding and gets her what she wants in the long run will help her turn out just fine. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003
web auction
Hi Everybody, I was so busy with the holiday weekend company and Greta's puppies that I am trying to pick up where I left off. Who was posting about the bad website Berner sale and what can we do about it?? Sorry, I am not totally out of the loop, just too busy. Happy Trails, Jeannie Schoen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
Ari update
Just got off the phone from the emergency vets office. They said her heart showing signs of arrythmia [sp] earlier and her heart rate jumped to 200 [normal resting berner is around 90]. With an infusion of Lydocain they have it down to 130. She is not out of the woods. But the vet was optomistic, saying she is a real trooper and wagging her tail and wanting to love on all the staff. That's my girl. The hardest part is not being able to see her. They have asked that I don't so she is not further upset. I understand, but still it is so very hard to just sit here, waiting. To all my wonderful friends on the berner-l.I cannot thank you enough for the tons of supportive e-mails I have gotten. There are prayers being said, candles lit..I can't believe the outpouring of support. I love you all. Please understand if it takes me a bit to reply.I will keep sending updates to the list. I hate to stay on the computer too long, as I have to use the phone line and I am trying to keep it open in case the vet has to call suddenly. I will call them again before I go to bed and again first thing in the morning and will let you all know how Ari is doing. Thank you all again so much. It means so much to me to know that Ari has so many praying for her. Most sincerely Cathi
Pillss
Hi Susan, Peanut butter can be a bit goopy to work with and sticks around the mouth too much for pill hiding strategy. My favourite is cream cheese, the full fat kind, and make a little cheese ball, you can either just put the cheese ball on top of her food or offer as a treat. If she is suspicious just open her jaws and pop it into the back of the mouth and hold her muzzle shut and stroke her throat until she swallows. Another trick is a small dollop of canned dog food push in the pill and leave in her bowl, don't let her see you preparing the treat, raw hamburger does well and likely she'll swallow without it touching the sides:-) Rose ps Berners are very mouthy and like to hold hands. Offer her an alternative and just remove and ignore her attentions.
Re: Ari update
Still sending all my Positive thoughts and Prayers to you Cathi, as I know that so many of the THOUGHTFUL and CARING list members are as well!!! There is so much power in the sheer numbers that are pulling for you and both of your fur children. I do know that first hand as most of you know and would just like to reiterate that it is the strength and depth of this list and the love in all our Berner hearts that helps to carry us through. Stay focused on channeling the support that is warmly offered and know that so many of us are right there to support you as we should be. Candles are still flickering Cathi and we are hugging you hard! Genuine Berner Love coming your way. If there is ANYTHING we can do let us know! Karen and Stevie NB, Canada
Re: Ari update
Whew.that is good news!!! I hope the news keeps coming like that. I'm keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and will eagerly more good news from you later tonight!!! Love and hugs, Joye --On Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:41 PM -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:r Just got off the phone from the emergency vets office. They said her heart showing signs of arrythmia [sp] earlier and her heart rate jumped to 200 [normal resting berner is around 90]. With an infusion of Lydocain they have it down to 130. She is not out of the woods. But the vet was optomistic, saying she is a real trooper and wagging her tail and wanting to love on all the staff. That's my girl. The hardest part is not being able to see her. They have asked that I don't so she is not further upset. I understand, but still it is so very hard to just sit here, waiting. To all my wonderful friends on the berner-l.I cannot thank you enough for the tons of supportive e-mails I have gotten. There are prayers being said, candles lit..I can't believe the outpouring of support. I love you all. Please understand if it takes me a bit to reply.I will keep sending updates to the list. I hate to stay on the computer too long, as I have to use the phone line and I am trying to keep it open in case the vet has to call suddenly. I will call them again before I go to bed and again first thing in the morning and will let you all know how Ari is doing. Thank you all again so much. It means so much to me to know that Ari has so many praying for her. Most sincerely Cathi
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