Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] BUSH PROPAGANDA POSTERS APPEAR ON CLEAR CHANNELBILLBOARDS

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Kris Millegan wrote:

[snip]

 BUSH PROPAGANDA POSTERS APPEAR ON CLEAR CHANNEL BILLBOARDS


I'm waiting for the statues to go up and Bushburg, Bushville, Bushtown to appear
in every state.

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Re: [CTRL] BANKRUPT PARANOIA MAGAZINE!

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William Shannon wrote:

 In a message dated 6/23/2003 6:55:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hey, flw, good suggestion!  Mail any copies of that
  rag, PARANOIA, right to the FBI!  If we work together,
  we can get that magazine off the stands and into the
  trash cans where it belongs!


 What is your problem with Paranoia?

 Bill.

Perhaps TCB got flamed in Paranoia for his Conjurella material?  His vehemence
does seem rather personal.

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[CTRL] test

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Prosto pishu, chtoby proverit' email.
 ,   .

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Re: [CTRL] Chaplain Gives Thirsty Soldiers Water IF They Get BaptisedFirst.

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William Shannon wrote:

 -Caveat Lector- http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/5554317.htm

 Army chaplain offers baptisms, baths
 BY MEG LAUGHLIN
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 CAMP BUSHMASTER, Iraq - In this dry desert world near Najaf, where the Army V
 Corps combat support system sprawls across miles of scabrous dust, there's an
 oasis of sorts: a 500-gallon pool of pristine, cool water.

 It belongs to Army chaplain Josh Llano of Houston, who sees the water
 shortage, which has kept thousands of filthy soldiers from bathing for weeks,
 as an opportunity.

 ''It's simple. They want water. I have it, as long as they agree to get
 baptized,'' he said.


Fucking parasite.  Wonder if a chaplain ever got fragged?

I remember being awakened by my buddy out in the desert with, Hey, McHugh, wake
up.  Your father's here.  Sure right, but I got out of my fart sack to see what
the prank was.  Turns out there's this bear of priest named LTC McHugh there to
see me.  He was the brigade chaplain.  I had a laugh, but still felt like
fragging his ass for wasting good sack time.

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Re: [CTRL] The Sedition Act of 1798

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Flash Gordon wrote:

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 SEC. 2. And be it farther enacted, That if any person
 shall write, print, utter or publish, or shall cause
 or procure to be written, printed, uttered or
 published, or shall knowingly and willingly assist or
[snip]

This repugnant law expired in 1801.  I'm surprised you didn't mention the
Espionage Act of 1917 and 1918.

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[CTRL] War Dolphins [was: ANOTHER BAD RUSSIAN TRANSLATION]

[Mark McHugh]

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Steve Wingate wrote:

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 Notice reference to US's use of dolphins to clear the mines. ;-(


[snip]


Here's what I got from AP today:

Dolphins to clear mines from port

CAMP AS SALIYAH, Qatar (AP) -- You've heard of bomb-sniffing dogs, but
mine-sniffing dolphins?

Coalition forces have brought in two specially trained bottle-nosed Atlantic
dolphins to help ferret out mines in the approaches of the port of Umm Qasr,
Maj. Gen. Victor Renuart of the Central Command said Tuesday.

The dolphins will help clear the way for the shipment of humanitarian aid to
allied-held southern Iraq, Renuart said.

The dolphins, named Makai and Tacoma, wre flown into Umm Qasr by US Navy
helicopters Tuesday night and were expected to begin searching for mines today,
according to pool reports.

The dolphins are taught to avoid touching the mines, which might cause them to
explode, said Capt. Mike Tillotson, a Navy bomb disposal expert.  He said there
was little risk to animals doing this kind of work.

The biggest hazard could come from other indigenous dolphins in the waters of
Umm Qasr.

Dolphins are territorial and there is a fear local dolphins might drive the
interlopers out, causing them to go AWOL.

[AP picture of handler and dolphin with a small camera on its right fin jumping
out of the water]

caption:
Sgt. Andrew Garrett watches K-Dog, a bottle nose dolphin attached to Commander
Task Unit 55.4.3, leap out of the water while training near the USS Gunston Hall
in ther Persian Gulf.  Commander Task Unit 55.4.3 is a multinational team from
the US, UK and Australia conducting deep/shallow water mine clearing operations
with the dolphins to clear shipping lanes for humanitarian relief.

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[CTRL] Strange NASA Graphic

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I turned to the NASA channel yesterday just to see what they had.
There was a picture of the crew of STS-107 with the US and Israeli
flags behind them.  To me it's beyond coincidence that the Magen David
of the Israeli flag just happened to wreathe Colonel Ramon's head like
a halo.  Very cool symbol work.

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Re: [CTRL] New OP

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 In a message dated 1/15/03 10:32:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What's an OP?  Opinion Poll?
 
 I see OP and think observation point or opornyj punkt.
 
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  Op as in PsyOP

 Om
 K

Ah, verstehe.

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Re: [CTRL] New OP

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Well, it is quite obvious that enough people are not buy what Bush Bandit's
 are selling and folks are disassembling and understanding.  An op is being
 put together in Cambridge/Harvard using the talents of folks like Chip
 Berlet and Dan Sheehan. The objective of the OP is to interject into the
 debate the classic left-right dichotomies and a new flurry of anti-Semitism
 to sully conspiracy theory research.

What's an OP?  Opinion Poll?

I see OP and think observation point or opornyj punkt.

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Re: [CTRL] The Two Towers

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Euphorian wrote:

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 On 6 Jan 2003 at 23:44, Mark McHugh wrote:

  Y'all are aware that Landover Baptist is a satirical site, right,
  something akin to The Onion?

 But with kernels of truth nonetheless?

 A:E:R

Sure, that's what makes it even more amusing.  Check out the front
page for more amusing bits like:

We have a permanent injunction against all
unsaved persons. If you are unsaved, you are
not allowed within a 10-mile radius of our
church, nor are you allowed on this website.
Kindly leave, and be about the Devil's business,
for you are not welcome here. Glory!

and

God told me
to hate you
-
Betty Bowers
http://www.bettybowers.com
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never without an
honorary first stone

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Re: [CTRL] The Two Towers

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Euphorian wrote:

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 http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1202/twotowers.html

 December 2002

 Christian Moviegoers Beware!
 The Two Towers is Homo Slang For Erect Hobbit Penises


Y'all are aware that Landover Baptist is a satirical site, right,
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Re: [CTRL] The Shocking Pagan Origin Of Christmas

[Mark McHugh]

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Paul Meares wrote:

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 from:

 Jeff Rense - Fri., Dec. 19 '02

 http://www.crncast.com/asxautomagic.asp?ArchiveDate=12-19-02


That was an interesting show.  I liked the bit about the sporing
amanita being the Graal.

May as well include James Arthur's link, the man lecturing on Rense's
show:

http://www.jamesarthur.net/

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Re: [CTRL] Meet President Dennis Hastert

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alien wrote:

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 I notice his name is listed as J. Dennis Hastert -- those leading
 initial names are invariably CIA...

Yeah, right.  Denny is the son-in-law of my former next-door neighbor
(Mrs. Kahl).  He had difficulty following my explanation of my MI
unit's mission back in the mid 80's.  Definitely not CIA then and
there's no such thing as Insta-Spook, just add Rep before your name!

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Enjoy the Poster, and Spread the Word

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thew wrote:

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 --
 -- --- -- --  -- --

 I believe reality is a marvelous joke staged for my edification and
 amusement, and everybody is working very hard to make me happy.
  --Terence McKenna

 NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew

 -- Forwarded Message
  From: Regime Change Poster Campaign
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  Date: 23 Oct 2002 15:05:55 -
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Enjoy the Poster, and Spread the Word
 
  Subject: Regime Change Begins at Home
 
  I just got a sign for my car that says Regime Change Begins
  at Home. Vote.  You can download one, too, at:
 
  http://www.moveon.org/PAC_regimechange2/


Thanks for this most excellent info, thew!

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Re: [CTRL] Israelis Kill Baby for Violating Curfew

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thew wrote:

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 Hey flw

 Why didn't you report the baby who dies on the Jerusalem bus that exploded
 the other day? Jewish babies don't count as tragedy when they are killed?

thew, I'm wondering, considering your viewpoint
(http://home.earthlink.net/~thew/Pages/Think.html), if you
differentiate between state-sponsored murder and murder by apparently
deranged individuals.

Don't get me wrong, murder sucks regardless of the victims' social
packaging.  I'm just curious.

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Re: [CTRL] George Carlin on Bush War (start URL)

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 http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?
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 George Carlin on Bush War  (continued)
 by GEORGE CARLIN

  Yugoslavia is another, more recent example.



Thanks for the great opinion piece from Carlin, Chris!

You can get the beginning of the story starting here:

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=104contentid=554page=1

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Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

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iNFoWaRZ wrote:

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 At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-
 
 Quite simple really -
 
 Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
 
 Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
 freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
 --

 ?
 The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
 The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
 They have you both ways.
 If you are decadent, you are a slave.
 And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.

 Take your body back?
 Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and screwing 
your neighbors.
 More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the state.


Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
filters.  If you follow rigid Judeo-Christian cant, are you not as
easily controlled?  As thew recommends, Think For Yourself.

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Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

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iNFoWaRZ wrote:

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 At 11:05 AM 8/4/02 , you wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-
 
 iNFoWaRZ wrote:
  
   -Caveat Lector-
  
   At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
   -Caveat Lector-
   
   Quite simple really -
   
   Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
   
   Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
   freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
   --
  
   ?
   The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
   The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
   They have you both ways.
   If you are decadent, you are a slave.
   And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.
  
   Take your body back?
   Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and 
screwing your neighbors.
   More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the 
state.

 --

 Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
 filters.
 ´´
 Mark McHugh

 Great then you won't mind if I have sex with your wife, Kill your dog and eat it, 
and steal your kids and sell them to some homo pornographers.
 I just love subjectiveness.
 And if you don't like it, tough.
 Re-adjust your mental filters.
 Who are you to tell me what is decadent or not?
 Get the picture?


Ja, I get the picture.  You've been programmed to believe that freedom
of thought is anarchy and that freethinkers are defenseless pacifists.

Aren't you going to address my question:  If you follow rigid
Judeo-Christian cant, are you not as
easily controlled?

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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c wrote:

  Considering Saba,
  one must realize that everyone is somehow prejudiced.

 strange comment to make about her as the reason she is disliked is a lot to
 do with her relentless hatred of people. her prejudices are so widely
 spread.

Not so strange a comment.  I ask for understanding and forgiveness by
showing her commonality with all of us through a shared flaw.  Hate
the stultiloquence of the message, forgive the messenger, laugh at the
amusing bits.

 no-one is prejudiced about saba. it is not because she is white, female,
 hetrosexual and a fitzgerald that poeple dislike her, it is *not*
 prejuedice. dislike of her is based on what she does, not on what or who she
 is.

Aw, come on.  Some of the listmembers out there have to hate stupid,
blathering micks just for the simple reason that they exist. ;)

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Re: [CTRL] Kansan1225 was Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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 --- Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups.

Tenorlove wrote:

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 On which newsgroups can one find Kansan? People used to cross-post him
 here. I miss his humor.

He was here for a while, but I think the volume freaked even him.  I
read his posts at alt.fan.rawilson

He's been a bit boring lately with the Heidi Klum obsession, though.
I usually ask him about the CLuM connections to various events.  I
have fun printing out some of his answers and tacking them up at local
grocery store notice boards.  Everybody needs a little mental
monkeywrenching now and then.

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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c wrote:

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 From: Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Way OT

 
  Amen, bring her back!  I use her material as a signpost to the
  Twilight Zone.  I know if I've gone beyond her I'm out there.  She
  reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups.
 

 poor kansan, to be lumped in with that harpie.  he may be mental but at
 least his work has direction, obsession and technical merit. oh yes, and
 self effacing humour.

I know you have to sift through quite a bit of dross, but the
occasional nugget of divine madness is worth it.  Considering Saba,
one must realize that everyone is somehow prejudiced.  I guess I have
a pretty good BS filter, thanks to my early exposure in the service of
Uncle Sam.

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Re: [CTRL] Way OT

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thew wrote:

 -Caveat Lector- on 7/7/02 11:08 AM, RevCOAL at
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  -Caveat Lector-
  From: William Shannon
  But sometimes I miss saba.
  
  She ought to be reinstated...she has alot to offer
  Puh-leeze!  :-( The only thing 'she' ever had to offer is
  unsubtantiated inanities... I'm still waiting for proof of
  'her' so-called Bible Code via a prediction BEFORE the
  fact...

  yeah – but it is SO rare to see that kind of delusional
  paranoia so full blown and on display. I found it
  fascinating.

Amen, bring her back!  I use her material as a signpost to the
Twilight Zone.  I know if I've gone beyond her I'm out there.  She
reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups.

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Re: [CTRL] Ben-Eliezer - Israeli Army Breeds Terror

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Joe, are you ever going to add a comment to the posts?  This is the
second post in the past couple of days that has nothing but a fully
quoted article.  Or am I missing something?

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Joe Gillaspie wrote:

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  FYI
 
  Israeli minister says army fuels `terror to come'
  http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/21/1023864500791.html
 
  By Ross Dunn, Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem and agencies
  June 22 2002
 
  Israel's Defence Minister, Binyamin Ben-Eliezer, has warned that the
  country's military operations have become an incubator of terror,
  exploited by Palestinian leaders to recruit more volunteers for suicide
  bombing missions.
 
  His warning came as Israel intensified its military offensive against
  Palestinian-ruled areas, following attacks this week that have killed more
  than 30 Israelis.
 
  Dozens of Israeli tanks and armoured vehicles moved into the West Bank city
  of Nablus yesterday, hours after Palestinian gunmen killed five Israelis in
  a house filled with children in a nearby Jewish settlement.
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[CTRL] [Fwd: [DLIFLC] LTC Steve Butler]

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(I remember Butler when I was at DLI.  He was quite an avid runner
and qualifed second for DLI's men's team in the Army Ten Miler back
in 2000.)

Probe of officer's letter continues
DLI colonel heads investigation
By KEVIN HOWE
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Investigation of an Air Force officer's criticism of President Bush
in a letter to the editor has been turned over to his immediate
superior at the Presidio of Monterey.

Lt. Col. Steve Butler was serving as vice chancellor for student
affairs at the Defense Language Institute when he wrote the letter,
published in The Herald on May 26, which accuses Bush of allowing the
Sept. 11 attacks to occur for political reasons.

In his letter, which is attracting national media attention, Butler
wrote that it was sleazy and contemptible for the president to
withhold information from the public to help himself politically.

Butler was suspended from his duties at the Monterey language school
following publication of his letter, which could constitute a
violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Article 88 bars any commissioned officer from using contemptuous
words about the president, Congress and various other officials.

The investigation has been turned over to Air Force Col. Jeff
Johnson, deputy commandant of the language school and Butler's
immediate superior and rating officer, Air Force spokeswoman Valerie
Burkes said Tuesday.

It would be inappropriate to make further comments, Burkes said
from her office at the Pentagon.

An Article 88 offense is punishable by a maximum of confinement for
one year, dismissal from the service and forfeiture of all pay and
allowances.

Guidelines for prosecuting the offense note that expressions of
opinion made in a purely private conversation should not ordinarily
be charged, but giving broad circulation to a written publication
containing contemptuous words of the kind made punishable by this
article, or the utterance of contemptuous words of this kind in the
presence of military subordinates, aggravates the offense.

The truth or falsity of the statements is immaterial, the
guidelines say.

The last actual court martial for violation of the article occurred
in 1965, when Army 2nd Lt. Henry Howe was convicted of using
contemptuous words against President Lyndon Johnson and of conduct
unbecoming an officer after taking part in a demonstration against
the Vietnam War. He was discharged and sentenced to two years of hard
labor.

In similar cases in 1999, two Marine officers, one active, the other
a reservist, received administrative punishment for published
writings criticizing President Bill Clinton following the Monica
Lewinsky scandal.

The Oct. 19, 1998, Navy Times published an editorial by Marine Corps
Maj. Shane Sellers headlined Time to Send Clinton to the Showers,
in which Sellers called Clinton a criminal and an adulterous liar.

The Oct. 22 Washington Times published another editorial by Marine
Corps Reserve Maj. Daniel Rabil called Please Impeach my Commander
in Chief, which described Clinton as morally defective, integrity-
impaired, a lying draft-dodger, a moral coward and a spoiled
leftist.

Burkes said Butler has been sent on temporary duty to Travis Air
Force Base near Fairfield, but remains assigned to the Presidio.

Butler has not commented publicly since the investigation began. His
wife, Shelly, said her husband plans to retire in the next few weeks
after 24 years in the Air Force.




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Restorative Justice
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Corporate and white collar crime have landed on the front pages of the
nation's agenda-setting newspapers.

Yesterday, the New York Times ran a front-page article reporting that
the last decade has seen a marked increase in accounting and corporate
infractions, fraud in health care, government procurement and
bankruptcy.

Maybe. Maybe not.

We don't know.

One reason we don't know is that while the federal government tracks
street crime through the Federal Bureau of Investigation's yearly Crime
in the United States report, it refuses to compile a similar report for
corporate and white collar crime.

It could just be that the press and prosecutors are finally noticing, in
the wake of Enron and Andersen and Global Crossing, what has been true
for most of this century -- that corporate and white collar crime
inflicts far more damage on society than all street crime combined.

And yet, the nation's prison system is filled with street criminals.

We are tough on street criminals.

We engage in negotiations with corporate and white collar criminals.

Should we level the playing field by putting more white collar criminals
in prison?

Maybe. Maybe not.

What about leveling the playing field by taking more seriously the idea
of negotiating with corporate and street criminals?

This is an idea touted by John Braithwaite, a professor at the
Australian National University in Canberra, Australia, considered to be
one of the world's premiere corporate and white collar criminologists.

In his most recent work, Restorative Justice, Responsive Regulation
(Oxford, 2002), Braithwaite comes down hard on retributive justice.

It doesn't work for street crime.

And, he says, it doesn't work well for white collar crime.

Braithwaite argues that throwing people in prison because they deserve
it is a failed criminal justice policy.

For all the wrong reasons, says Braithwaite, corporate crime enforcement
is restorative, while street crime enforcement is retributive.

Some of us began to wonder whether we were wrong to see our mission as
making corporate crime enforcement more like street crime enforcement
through tougher sanctions, Braithwaite writes. Instead, we began to
wonder whether street crime enforcement might be more effective if it
were more like corporate criminal enforcement.

What does Braithwaite mean by retributive justice?

That you ought to punish wrongdoers because they deserve to be
punished, he says. Retributive justice is the notion that you respond
to hurt with more hurt. Or as Nils Christie says, when pain has been
caused by crime, you fight back with another spoonful of pain, as if
that is a sensible response. It often turns out not to be a sensible
response, because you get into a vicious spiral of hurt begetting hurt.
Whereas restorative justice is an attempt to create the opposite dynamic
of healing begetting healing.

So, even in the case of the most egregious street crimes, bringing
victims and perpetrators together, along with their family members and
loved ones, is the more effective policy.

Structured conversations, overseen by government authority and requiring
a genuine showing of remorse by perpetrators, will often leave victims
feeling more satisfied that justice has been done, and criminals less
likely to commit new crimes, he says.

Restorative justice works well for corporate crime, too, he says.

Braithwaite grew up in Ipswich, Australia, a coal mining town where a
number of his friends suffered very serious injury and some were killed
in the mines.

Regulatory conversations occur after coal mine disasters. How many of 

Re: [CTRL] Admirals Urge Probe Of Attack On USS Liberty

[Mark McHugh]

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Kristine S wrote:

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 I watched a documentary (think I taped it for my dad
 but never got it to him as of yet) and to say it was
 enlightening doesn't quite say enough.  These men
 deserve to have the truth come out.  They were under
 attack for a ridiculous almost two hours, and the
 Israelis got close enough to their boat that they
 could even them smiling at them.  Horrendous!!
 Unacceptable shit that our government is covering this
 atrocity up.  It all had to do with the fact that the
 NSA was on board!!  Fuckers, doing covert intelligence
 putting the lives of the rest of the crew members on
 board in danger because they knew nothing about the
 NSA's activities!!

I agree that there should be an investigation.  I disagree with your
theory that the NSA brought about doom on unwitting support
sailors on the Liberty.  It seems obvious that you are ignorant of
some aspects of intelligence gathering.

Sure, there are a limited number of sailors (those fuckers you
mentioned) with the proper training and clearance whose main function
is that of intercept, interpretation and dissemination, and that the
support and command crew generally are in the dark about the
specifics, but they all do know that they are a spook ship.  It's a
USN ship whose product goes to the DOD and NSA.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: [40] VIRUS ALERT]

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Guess y'all can ignore the tech support numbers at the bottom of the
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A new virus has just been discovered which has been classified by Microsoft
as the most destructive ever.  No vaccine is currently available to attack
this virus which destroys Sector Zero from the hard disk where vital
information for its functioning are stored.  The virus sends itself
automatically to all contacts on your list with the title A Virtual Card
for You.  As soon as the supposed virtual card is opened, the computer
freezes so that the user has to reboot. When the ctrl+alt+del keys or the
reset button is pressed, the virus destroys Sectory Zero, thus permanently
destroying the hard disk.

Yesterday, in just a few hours, this virus caused panic in New York,
according to a news broadcast by CNN.  As a result, Madison is recommending
that you delete any suspect mail, particularly with a subject line A
Virtual Card for You.  In addition, always keep your anti-virus updated and
feel free to contact Madison Technical Support with internet technical
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Re: [CTRL] NIGER - Is this hate language or another association?

[Mark McHugh]

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laural wrote:

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 NIGER - Is this hate language or another association? (c)2002

 Africa has many tribes and many different governments
 and because of the wars between those tribes selling
 a families children into slavery or prostitution has
 become the main commerce item of some African
 countries. Nigeria and Nigerians have been highlighted
 because the country seemingly has been emulating Nazi
 Germany - which means that the term Niger was for those
 that believed the end justifies the means or that they could
 steal what they wanted.

 Negro is a Spanish word that means
 black and considering that the underlying skin tones seem to be
 pink, yellow, brown or red; Negro describes the majority of
 people from Africa. The red man or American Indian is another
 example of a skin tone, and European Mediterranean area
 shading to the yellow. I am guessing that yellow man may
 not have become an established term because any skin color
 may have an yellowish cast from jaundice.

 To accuse a black of trying to be white is America seems to have
 come to mean that they are trying to be American and reap some
 of the advantages that being American brings.  Black culture for
 some means the same as Nazi Germany which is in direct
 conflict with our constitution.

 I am writing this because I have met more white and yellow
 NIGERs than I have black ones.  So, if I were to hear a
 Ku Klux Klan member say Niger I would reply
 You mean a white Nazi like you or someone from
 one of the African countries that does not have a
 Constitutional Government, yet?

 Laura Lee Lanning~Shipton (c)2002
 http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/index.html


Is this writer's native language English?  Her syntax is that of a
foreigner attempting expository writing.

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Re: [CTRL] Palestinians Say Israeli Aim Was to Destroy Framework

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Jei wrote:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/16/international/middleeast/16RAMA.html

 Copyright 2002 The New York Times Company
 The New York Times
 Tuesday, April 16, 2002

 Palestinians Say Israeli Aim Was to Destroy Framework
 By SERGE SCHMEMANN

 RAMALLAH, West Bank, April 15 -- In one room of the Palestinian Ministry
 of Education, the litter of papers, glass, paper clips and periodicals was
 ankle-deep. The filing cabinets had been ransacked, and some toppled.
 Personal computers sat on the desks, their hard drives ripped out.

 In another room, the Israeli soldiers had blasted open the safe. The
 explosion brought down the suspended ceiling there and in adjoining rooms,
 leaving a mess. Dr. Naim Abu Hommos, the deputy minister of education,
 said the safe had been used to keep all school test records since 1960.
 All were gone, he said, along with 40,000 shekels -- about $8,500 -- that
 had been kept there for petty cash.

[snip]

I saw a report on CNN this afternoon that echoed this article.  Safes
blown open, classroom computers and equipment crushed, evidence of an
unsuccessful attempt at cracking an ATM and main vault at a private
bank.  Looking for terrorists...ja, right.  I suppose the heroic IDF
has looting yahoos and a slack discipline like many other invading
armies.

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Re: [CTRL] The Queen Mum-ANUS HORRIBILIS (1 of 2)

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Tenorlove wrote:

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 --- Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Don't tell Icke!  It's more amusing this way.  The old woman did look
  like a hemorrhoid.

 You have mother confused with daughter. The Queen Mum looked like the
 type of little old lady a Boy Scout should be helping across the street.


Not the picture I saw.  No smile; beady, vacant eyes.  Gave me the
willies.  QE2 just reminds me of some pissed-off church lady.

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Re: [CTRL] The Queen Mum-ANUS HORRIBILIS (1 of 2)

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Tenorlove wrote:

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 Somebody needs to tell D. Icke that it's ANNUS, (TWO N's) not ANUS. Big
 difference.


Don't tell Icke!  It's more amusing this way.  The old woman did look
like a hemorrhoid.

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[CTRL] I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts

[Mark McHugh]

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I had the More Fun in the New World CD jamming tonight.  One song in
particular leapt out at me.  The stanzas highlighting the current US
majority reality-tunnel are below.  X was so perceptive for 1983.

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I Must Not Think Bad Thoughts
by X

 The facts we hate, we'll never meet
 Walkin' down the road, everybody yellin' hurry up, hurry up
   But I'm waiting for you, I must go slow
I must not think bad thoughts
What is this world coming to?
 Both sides are right, but both sides murder
I give up -- why can't they?

  I must not think bad thoughts...

 The civil wars -- and the uncivilized wars
Conflagrations leap out of every poor furnace
   The food cooks poorly and everyone goes hungry
  From then on it's dog eat dog, dog eat body, body eat dog
I can't go down there, I can't understand it
I'm a no-good coward, an American too
A North American, that is, and I must not think bad thoughts
I'm guilty of murder of innocent men
Innocent woman and innocent children
  Thousands of 'em
  My planes, my guns, my money, my soldiers
  My blood on my hands -- it's all my fault

  I must not think bad thoughts...

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Re: [CTRL] American Woman Shot in MidEast

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Euphorian wrote:

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 From http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20020403001932542

 }}}Begin
 Details Emerge About American Woman Shot Dead By Israeli Soldiers

 Wednesday, April 03 2002 @ 12:19 AM GMT

 Suraida sat in the passenger seat holding her 9-month-old son Muhsin as Morad
 drove their car. A band of the notorious under cover units, undercover Israeli 
soldiers
 dressed like Arabs, stood in the shadows of an upcoming intersection


Hey, Xxx Yyy!

This is just more propaganda, yes?  Damn, these guys are creative.
Next those mean ol' IDF-ers will be beating grandmas and stomping
puppies.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Tikkun: An Open Letter to American Jews from Israeli Reservist Refusenik]

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An Open Letter to American Jews By Assaf Oron Passover Eve, 2002

Dear People,

Yesterday I was informed of an interesting phenomenon: a
peace-supporting Jewish organization called Tikkun published an ad
in favor of us, the Israeli reservist refuseniks, and was immediately
bombarded with hate mails and phones from other American Jews. What
ís more interesting is that even other Jews considering themselves
 supporters of peace have denounced the Tikkun ad, to the extent
 that some of the Tikkun Advisory Board members are resigning in
order to minimize the personal damage to themselves. This has so
saddened, alarmed and angered me, that I find myself setting aside
a half-day at the eve of Passover, and writing this open letter to
 you all. As is my habit, it is quite long, so please bear with me.

Most of the 'civilized' attacks, so I understand, were seemingly
aimed at this or that detail of the Tikkun ad. This is nothing new
to me. Over the past two months since we came out with our own ad,
Iíve heard and read so many specific arguments about specific
aspects of our act. They range from petty nit-picking to plain
ludicrous, and each and every one of them can be refuted to dust
in a matter of minutes. But the moment you refute them, new specific
arguments sprout up like mushrooms. It is clear that there is
something very general and non-specific behind all this criticism.
Therefore, if you allow me, I will start from the general and only
later turn to a couple of these specific issues.

The general theme is the tribal theme. A very very loud voice (and i
n Israel nowadays, it is the only voice that is allowed to be fully
heard) keeps shouting that we are in the midst of a war between two
tribes: a tribe of human beings, of pure good - the Israelis - and
a tribe of sub-human beings, of pure evil - the Palestinians. This
voice is so loud, that it has found its way even to the op-ed pages
of the New York Times (William Safire, March 24 or 25). To those who
find this black-and-white picture a bit hard to believe, the same
voice shouts that this is a war of life and death. Only one tribe
will survive, and so even if we are not purely good, we must lay
morality and conscience to sleep, shut up and fight to kill--or
else, the Palestinians will throw us into the sea.

Does this ring a bell to you? It does to me. As a little child
growing up in Israel under Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan, all I heard
was that the Arabs are inhuman monsters who want to throw us into
the sea, they understand only force, and since our wonderful IDF
has won the Six Day War they know not to mess with us anymore --or
else. And of course, we must keep the Liberated Territories to
ourselves, because thereís no one to talk with. Then came the Yom
Kippur war, and for a child of 7 it was the perfect proof that
indeed the Arabs want to throw us into the sea, and what a great
opportunity it was for our glorious IDF to teach them a lesson.
I prayed for the war to continue to its natural and final end --
the complete surrender of all Arab armies. I was too small to
evaluate, then, how the war really ended; all these cease-fires
and talks were too complicated and boring, much more boring than
a war. And it seemed humiliating that WE should withdraw in these
cease-fires; I remember that the re-opening of the Suez Canal
was portrayed in our mass media as a kind of defeat.

A few years passed and a funny thing happened: those
throw-us-into-the-sea Arabs came to talk with us, and in
exchange for all of Sinai they would sign a full peace. The
IDF chief of staff (the late Motte Gur, later a Labor Party
minister) shouted that it is a hoax, that we should not believe
Saadat, but the politicians had to sign. Already a teenager, I
went and protested against the withdrawal from Sinai. It seemed
strange to me that most of the demonstrators were orthodox Jews.
After all, it was a purely logical issue: the Arabs are not to
be trusted, thatís what weíve learned from day one. Well, lucky
for the country, the government and the majority of the people
employed a different logic, and the peace with Egypt was not
missed.

But the throw-us-into-the-sea paradigm immediately found new
 fields for play. There was an inconvenient reality on the Northern
border, and even though the forces on the other side (Palestinians!
Phew!) had strictly adhered to a secret cease-fire for about a year,
they were Arabs and therefore could not be trusted. So we talked
ourselves into invading Lebanon and setting up a friendlier regime
there. The mastermind of the invasion was defense minister Ariel
Sharon, and Shimon Peres, then head of opposition, voted together
with his party in favor of the invasion. Only later, when it turned
sour, and after many refuseniks already sat in jail, would the main

Re: [CTRL] Riddle Me This...

[Mark McHugh]

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William Shannon wrote:

 http://www.stormtronic.co.uk/9-11/riddlemethis.htm

 Riddle Me This...

 Riddle me this...

 Yale student writes thesis in fall '98 on Osama bin Laden

 She is murdered...

 Thesis advisor top suspect (check Yale Dalily News site)

 Advisor happens to be Yale 82 and Naval Intelligence/Bush admin and
 possible Skull  Bones

 Advisor teaches course on anti-terrorism and drug smuggling...

 Advisor dismissed by Yale...

 Murder never solved...

 Advisor now in Pentagon with security clearance 5 levels above top
 secret...

 So what was in the victims thesis?


I laugh every time I see this crap about x levels above TS.  The
information about security clearances, access codewords and document
classification is out there on the Net or textbooks.  These yahoos
could make their (dis)info more plausible if they used available
knowledge.  Maybe start with Bamford's Puzzle Palace as a primer.

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Re: [CTRL] Quick list question

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thew wrote:

 I'm just curious whereabout all the members on this list live
 (no sinister alterior motives, no conspiracy)

 i'm in manhattan, new york city, new york, usa, earth


Near St.Louis, Missouri, US.

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Re: [CTRL] What's wrong with eating man's best friend?

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RevCOAL wrote:

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 From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 My appologies for forwarding this disgusting crap. I did not read it
 completely
 and assumed it was against eating meat, especially dogs. Sorry!

 Why?

 Lord knows that I'd never eat dog meat, but I recognize that it is a purely
 subjective judgement to deem eating dogs, cats, or horses as 'bad', but
 that it's perfectly okay to eat pigs, cattle, deer, buffalo, etc.  It's all
 rotting mammal flesh...

 Why is it okay to eat chicken, turkey, duck, pigeons or pheasant, but not
 to eat parrots or canaries?

 If one objects to eating all kinds of meat, fine; but it's hypocritical to
 say it's bad to eat 'companion' animals, e.g. those we've decided to make
 pets out of, but okay to eat other types of animals.  They all have
 feelings.


I agree with you, June, about the hypocrisy of eating only certain
types of animals.  Makes as much sense as eating only certain types of
plants.  Imagine missing the invention of Bolognese sauce due to the
old prejudice against tomatoes!  Aren't societal prejudices amusing?

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Re: [CTRL] Jim Collier: Only a Paper Moon?

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thew wrote:

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 re: straight lines in the universe

 one word - light...


Naw.  Light is a vibration.  No straight lines, just very tight wavy
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Re: [CTRL] I pledge Allegiance

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Bill Richer wrote:

 (Also attached to this email is a wav (sound file) by Red Skelton about the
 Pledge of Allegiance)

Some of us are on dial-up connections who don't want to waste the time
or bandwidth on almost 2MB of shitty, shortwave-sounding audio files.
How about next time posting an URL or asking if anyone wants it off
list.

Saba's talking out her ass calling Damaeus a punk.  He was talking
about the audio quality, not the content.   That file's quality is
1x1, in the military parlance she so loves.  In other words it was
caca, govno, dreck, Scheisse, merde, fen, shit!

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[CTRL] Death-Free Football

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http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=worldnewsStoryID=375957fromEmail=true#



Kabul Men Fling Off Trousers for Death-Free Soccer
Last Updated: November 15, 2001 11:02 AM ET


By Mark Chisholm

KABUL (Reuters) - A group of Kabul men flung off their baggy trousers
and tunics on Thursday for a game of post-Taliban soccer, free from
the threat of interruption by the fundamentalist militia carrying out
a public execution.

In the past, soccer matches were interrupted and executions would be
carried out for everyone to see, said Ahmed Marof in the middle of a
practice soccer match in the same Kabul football ground that the
Taliban used for shooting criminals.

What could we do?

Bullet casings could still be seen on the pitch.

The Taliban, who tried to turn Afghanistan into their vision of a
pure Muslim utopia, retreated from Kabul before dawn on Tuesday --
freeing residents from their draconian rules.

Women appeared on the streets without the head-to-toe burqa veils the
Taliban forced them to wear, music was heard for the first time since
the militia took the city in 1996, children flew kites, men shaved
off the beards the Taliban made compulsory -- and played soccer.

The Taliban allowed soccer on special occasions, but with bizarre
restrictions.

Players had to wear long-sleeved shirts and long trousers --
preventing the showing of skin, which the Taliban denounced as
un-Islamic.

Applause was banned -- spectators were told the appropriate way to
show enthusiasm was to shout Allahu Akbar! (God is Greatest).

Last year, a match in the Taliban's stronghold Kandahar against
players from the Pakistani border town Chaman ended in disarray when
members of the feared religious police raced on to the pitch to
arrest the Pakistani players for wearing shorts.

Five of the Pakistani players managed to flee to the safety of their
consulate in Kandahar while the rest had their heads shaved before
being released.

Pakistani diplomats lodged a protest.

The Taliban's interpretation of Sharia, or Islamic, law imposed the
death penalty for several offences. Executions were often carried out
in public, sometimes by the family of the victim. With few other
sources of entertainment, Afghans often flocked to stadiums to watch.

But Thursday's players were left to play interrupted, and dared to
wear shorts.

Before, the Taliban used to make us play in long garments, and today
you see us in short sleeves and shorts, said Ahmed Zaia. It's
wonderful.

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[CTRL] War Against Some Terrorists

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Some thoughts on current events from Bob Wilson.

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~~~

http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml



Thoughts for the Week



WAR AGAINST SOME TERRORISTS

7 Ways of Looking at a Monkey-House
September 29, 2001 e.v.

Just as the War Against Drugs would make some kind of sense if they
honestly called it a War Against Some Drugs, I regard Dubya's current
Kampf as a War Against Some Terrorists. I may remain wed to that
horrid heresy until he bombs CIA headquarters in Langtry.

I turned on CNN a few days ago and a White House robot announced that
the rebels in Chechnya were no longer freedom fighters but are
now terrorists with clear links to Osama bin Laden.

CNN provided no details about whether the transformation occured in a
sudden miraculous flash like the transubstantiation of the host in a
Catholic mass, or happened slowly and gradually like Darwinian
evolution.

In a related bulletin, Russia pledged its support in the War Against
Some Terrorists, and will presumably start with those bastards in
Chechnya.



DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND: IT IS REALITY THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING



The plight of Bill Maher reminds me of something Ezra Pound wrote
about London in 1919: A single intelligent remark can destroy a
man's entire career.



A friend in Israel just sent me an email quoting George Bush saying
we should all go to Disneyland. It didn't surprise me. I kind of
suspect George lives in Disneyland all the time, with Mickey and
Goofy and Osama bin Laden and all the faith-based organizations in
the world.



As Voltaire said, The only way to comprehend what mathematicians
mean by Infinity is to contemplate the extent of human stupidity.



Pfui.

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Re: [CTRL] US used hallucinogenic weapons against Iraq

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  From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:21:39 EDT
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] US used hallucinogenic weapons against Iraq
 
 
  In a message dated 10/24/01 6:34:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   damn we get anthrax, and they get to party 
 
  BATS! Watch out for those DAMN BATS! They are everywhere.

thew wrote:


 dood
 hallucinogens are not like the dts


HST was definitely on hallucinogens.

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Re: [CTRL] US Troops Abandoning Army,Seeking Conscientious Objector Status...

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Samantha L wrote:

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 In a message dated 10/18/01 6:06:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Yantis also said it would be disingenuous, for a soldier to say, 'Oh, I
   joined up to be an infantryman. I never knew that that meant I might have
   to go to war.'

   I agree.  The military is a large, organized killing apparatus.  That's all
 it is and all it's ever been.  How can anyone not know this?   If the
 military tried to seduce them into joining this killing apparatus by
 misrepresenting the facts, who is surprised?  An organization that prides
 itself on researching and implementing various ways to cause suffering and
 death is not exactly above lying.  This situation now increases the
 probablility of a draft for those young people who knew enough not to
 volunteer.


Basic Training should have erased all doubts as to purpose of the
armed forces.

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Re: [CTRL] More on Mark of Beast........

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Saba wrote:

 Twinkle Twinkle Little StarRed Stars, Star of Solomon, Star of
 David,  and the bright red star still burns on in the heart of the
 Scorpion whom some say symbolizes the Serpent with burning sting.

 Strange now we see this Star of David on Israeli Tanks; and Star of
 Solomon on American Tanks, and Red Star of Solomon on Russian
 Tanks..

 The Hunt for Osama bin Laden?   Like the the stars in the sky it seems
 the Scorpion and the Hunter never appear on the same stage - but the
 Archer awaits to assassinate the sun god on November 22, of each
 year...seems almost like the Scorpio leads the Hunter to his death
 who is ambushed by the Archer in the heavens?

 So much for Tiger Tiger Burning Biright.

 Saba


Did you notice that Saba is the daimon of the planet Mars?

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[CTRL] God Clarifies Don't Kill Rule

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http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/god_clarifies_dont_kill.html


God Angrily Clarifies Don't Kill Rule

26 September 2001

NEW YORK—Responding to recent events on Earth, God, the omniscient
creator-deity worshipped by billions of followers of various faiths
for more than 6,000 years, angrily clarified His longtime stance
against humans killing each other Monday.

Look, I don't know, maybe I haven't made myself completely clear, so
for the record, here it is again, said the Lord, His divine face
betraying visible emotion during a press conference near the site of
the fallen Twin Towers. Somehow, people keep coming up with the idea
that I want them to kill their neighbor. Well, I don't. And to be
honest, I'm really getting sick and tired of it. Get it straight. Not
only do I not want anybody to kill anyone, but I specifically
commanded you not to, in really simple terms that anybody ought to be
able to understand.

Worshipped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike, God said His name
has been invoked countless times over the centuries as a reason to
kill in what He called an unending cycle of violence.

I don't care how holy somebody claims to be, God said. If a person
tells you it's My will that they kill someone, they're wrong. Got it?
I don't care what religion you are, or who you think your enemy is,
here it is one more time: No killing, in My name or anyone else's,
ever again.

The press conference came as a surprise to humankind, as God rarely
intervenes in earthly affairs. As a matter of longstanding policy, He
has traditionally left the task of interpreting His message and
divine will to clerics, rabbis, priests, imams, and Biblical
scholars. Theologians and laymen alike have been given the task of
pondering His ineffable mysteries, deciding for themselves what to do
as a matter of faith. His decision to manifest on the material plane
was motivated by the deep sense of shock, outrage, and sorrow He felt
over the Sept. 11 violence carried out in His name, and over its dire
potential ramifications around the globe.

I tried to put it in the simplest possible terms for you people, so
you'd get it straight, because I thought it was pretty important,
said God, called Yahweh and Allah respectively in the Judaic and
Muslim traditions. I guess I figured I'd left no real room for
confusion after putting it in a four-word sentence with one-syllable
words, on the tablets I gave to Moses. How much more clear can I
get?

But somehow, it all gets twisted around and, next thing you know,
somebody's spouting off some nonsense about, 'God says I have to kill
this guy, God wants me to kill that guy, it's God's will,' God
continued. It's not God's will, all right? News flash: 'God's will'
equals 'Don't murder people.'

Worse yet, many of the worst violators claim that their actions are
justified by passages in the Bible, Torah, and Qur'an.

To be honest, there's some contradictory stuff in there, okay? God
said. So I can see how it could be pretty misleading. I admit it—My
bad. I did My best to inspire them, but a lot of imperfect human
agents have misinterpreted My message over the millennia. Frankly,
much of the material that got in there is dogmatic, doctrinal
bullshit. I turn My head for a second and, suddenly, all this stuff
about homosexuality gets into Leviticus, and everybody thinks it's
God's will to kill gays. It absolutely drives Me up the wall.

God praised the overwhelming majority of His Muslim followers as
wonderful, pious people, calling the perpetrators of the Sept. 11
attacks rare exceptions.

This whole medieval concept of the jihad, or holy war, had all but
vanished from the Muslim world in, like, the 10th century, and with
good reason, God said. There's no such thing as a holy war, only
unholy ones. The vast majority of Muslims in this world reject the
murderous actions of these radical extremists, just like the vast
majority of Christians in America are pissed off over those two
bigots on The 700 Club.

Continued God, Read the book: 'Allah is kind, Allah is beautiful,
Allah is merciful.' It goes on and on that way, page after page. But,
no, some assholes have to come along and revive this stupid holy-war
crap just to further their own hateful agenda. So now, everybody
thinks Muslims are all murderous barbarians. Thanks, Taliban: 1,000
years of pan-Islamic cultural progress down the drain.

God stressed that His remarks were not directed exclusively at
Islamic extremists, but rather at anyone whose ideological zealotry
overrides his or her ability to comprehend the core message of all
world religions.

I don't care what faith you are, everybody's been making this same
mistake since the dawn of time, God said. The Muslims massacre the
Hindus, the Hindus massacre the Muslims. The Buddhists, everybody
massacres the Buddhists. The Jews, don't even get me started on the
hardline, right-wing, Meir Kahane-loving Israeli nationalists, man.
And the Christians? You people believe in a 

Re: [CTRL] IS THIS PICTURE FOR REAL?

[Mark McHugh]

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Nakano Nakamura wrote:

 This picture was sent to me
 and I make no claim as to its authenticity.
 The explanation that came with it
 is that a camera was found in the
 rubble of the World Trade Center.
 The film was developed and this is
 the resulting picture.
 My first reaction was that this
 is a very sick attempt at a joke.
 If it is a fake, someone went to
 a lot of trouble to produce it.
 The sky over New York was clear.
 The sun was in the east.
 The shadows seem correct.
 American Airlines Flight 11 was
 a Boeing 787 and this is the aircraft
 in the picture.
 The Airline paint scheme also look authentic.
 Look at it and decide for yourself.
  Nakano


What was the temp that morning?

From all the news I saw that morning I don't recall seeing anyone
dressed for chilly weather, like the guy in the photo.

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[CTRL] Six Options Beyond War and Peace

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http://reason.com/hod/jw092101.html



September 21, 2001



What Happens Next?
Six options beyond war and peace

By Jesse Walker

When the military prepares for action, the public debate is usually a
simple either/or: Will there be peace, or will there be war? Not so
now. Fresh from the bloody assaults on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon, there are at least six choices before us, each with its own
subgenres and mutant variations. None is perfect, and one is actually
insane. But each is worth examining, if only to understand what
people actually mean when they call for war, peace, or some other
path they can't quite articulate.

Here, then, are our choices, beginning with the least violent and
ending with the most:

1. The Gandhi Option

Some favor no military response to the attacks at all. In its flaky
form, this position involves wishing really hard, perhaps while
holding someone's hand, that hatred and violence will disappear from
the world. Not every pacifist is so naive, though, and there is a
more sophisticated case for military inaction.

This argument points out that terrorists do not come from nowhere.
They respond to particular policies of the country under attack. If,
as the evidence suggests, the assault was masterminded by Osama bin
Laden or his allies, then it may well be easier to adjust our foreign
policy than to hunt down every terrorist in the Middle East,
especially since that hunt might inspire yet more Middle Easterners
to turn to terrorism. Wouldn't it make more sense just to stop these
clumsy interventions into other people's battles? Why make ourselves
a target for every tin-pot maniac in the Third World?

A variation on this argument notes that many of our present
foes--including Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein--were originally
built up by the United States to fight the enemies of an earlier day.
One can only wonder what our allies in a new war might do to us
several years later.

There are two problems with the Gandhi option. The first relates not
so much to the position itself as to some of the people who have been
advancing it. Obsessed with finding what we might have done to
deserve this--as though anyone deserves to die this way--the
hairshirt faction has conjured a list of sins far removed from
anything that could have inspired the attacks. When the filmmaker
Michael Moore speculated about the terrorists' motives, for example,
his rambling ruminations touched on missile defense, America's
withdrawal from the Durban conference on racism, and even our
rejection of the Kyoto accords on global warming. Evidently, Moore
believes that we are being attacked by European diplomats.

In the real world, we are being attacked by a group that--judging
from the fatwah issued by Osama bin Laden in 1998--objects to
America's military presence in Saudi Arabia, to its sanctions against
Iraq, and to its support for Israel. The point of reexamining U.S.
foreign policy in the wake of the attacks is not to find everything
about it that you might want to change, from Star Wars to Kyoto. It
is to find the parts that might be putting us in danger, even if
you've supported them until now. In the next few months, a lot of
Israel's American supporters will be wrestling with a difficult
choice: Israel's security, or their own? Many will choose the latter.

The other problem with Gandhianism goes deeper. Watching the World
Trade Center towers collapse last week, desperately aware that
thousands of people were inside them, most Americans did not merely
crave greater security. They wanted justice. If nothing is done to
capture the people responsible for that atrocity, it will be hard to
claim that justice has been done.

2. The Kojak Option

And so we come to option two. A terrible crime has been committed.
The immediate perps are now dead, but the conspirators behind them
are alive and free. They may be plotting further, even worse
assaults. We still aren't sure who they are or where they are, but we
have some significant leads. So it's time for some expert policework,
to track down and capture the people who did this.

The advantage to this approach is that it meets the demand for a
response while keeping that response targeted at the criminals. As
such, it upholds justice in two ways: by meting it out to the
murderers who killed 5,000 people in one day, and by refusing to
replicate their crime by killing anyone unfortunate enough to live in
the same country as the terrorists.

There are two disadvantages. One of them I'll describe later, as it
undermines the next two alternatives as well. The other is that, in
tracking terrorists through the mountains of central Asia, it won't
be easy to stick to all the legal niceties that policemen are
supposed to observe. And if it comes down to letting the likely
culprits escape or abandoning due process, most Americans will choose
the latter. At the very least, they will say, let us consider
response three:

3. The Bronson Option

If 

Re: [CTRL] Greetings

[Mark McHugh]

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Chad!

In my opinion, Icke's material is derivative of Zecharia Sitchin's.  A
good intro book of his ideas is Divine Encounters.  Here's a link to
ZS's site:  http://www.sitchin.com/

Another interesting book that precedes Icke's work is William
Bramley's The Gods of Eden.  It too deals with lost ancient
history.  Here's a balanced review of the book by Jim Keith:
http://www.spunk.org/library/altern/pub/keith/sp000434.txt

Here's an interesting page on the reptilians and what may be their
home planet, Nibiru.  Rob's been doing research on this subject for
quite a while.
http://www.apollonius.net/cosmictree.html

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Re: [CTRL] September 11...(5)

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Don Capps wrote:

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 From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  That would be very. Tunnels and caves would be a relatively good
 way to
 avoid radiation, and radiation would contaminate the environment and
 lead to
 further escalation including possible nuclear war.

 Oh brother. Here we go. Possible nuclear war with just WHO Steve???
 A bunch
 of Afghani herdsmen with AK-47's? Please. Granted, great guerilla
 fighters
 they may be. But nuclear capability? C'mon. That's a stretch, even
 by the
 incredibly credulous standards of the CTRL!


You need to have a holistic viewpoint when it comes to nukes, Don.
Have you seen the weather patterns around Afghanistan?  Do you think
Russia and China would appreciate fallout settling on their territory?

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Re: [CTRL] A Reichian Perspective on the Events of 11 September

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Dr Chris R Tame wrote:


 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark McHugh
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 Something from the Quantum Psychology list.


 Can you provide the details of this list?


Sure, Chris.  Here' the URL:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quant-psych

It's a currently low-traffic list for the discussion of Robert Anton
Wilson's ideas, along with those ideas of related authors.

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[CTRL] A Reichian Perspective on the Events of 11 September

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Something from the Quantum Psychology list.
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~~~


As author of the book Saharasia, which focuses upon the
characterological differences between freedom-loving nations, and the
fascism of modern Islamic fundamentalism, I've got quite a few emails
asking for my opinions about the present disaster.  Here are a few of
them, not well organized, but simply a listing of facts that very few
persons speak about, even after such a disaster.

1.  As discussed in Saharasia, the major motivation for
fundamentalist hatred of non-fundamentalists (of any religious
background) is the absence of the latter group's adherence to strict
moral codes regarding sexuality and female reproductive functions.
A fundamentalist who is raised with heavy obedience training, who
suffered through severe genital mutilations, severe abstinence
demands, segregation of the sexes at an early age, and
ruthlessly-enforced virginity taboos (girls murdered for violations),
when such a person grows to be an older teenager, they react with
extreme rage and anxiety when confronted with the physical presence
of another person who is more emotionally alive and fluid in
character structure. And from that extreme rage and anxiety, comes
new belief-systems and social institutions which organize the
emotional outbursts into religious demands for attacking such a
person.  Translated into entire social structures, this is a
mechanism for open warfare.

2.  Consider the Taliban, butchering their own women who do not wear
the veil or who rebel, as with Islamic fundamentalists elsewhere,
they consider western women to basically be whores and prostitutes.
The men in the west, they consider to be weak-willed, and generally
because we do not follow their faith, they consider us vermin, useless
trash.  The Wahabbis of old Saudi Arabia (which includes Bin Ladin)
considered the best thing one could do with an infidel was to
immediately kill them, as Allah did not tolerate the existence of
infidels.  And so, up until World War I, no stranger or traveler who
accidentally stumbled into Wahabbi territory ever came back alive.
Only with the intrusion of the British into the region during WWI,
were the Wahabbis subdued -- they were no match for British guns or
tanks, and unlike the Wahabbis, the Brits did not feel it necessary
to put every person to death.  Rather, they organized them into
ruling families, the descendants of which today are the ruling
tyrrants and dictators of the various Middle Eastern nations.  There
are no genuine democratic social structures in any of the Islamic
nations, save possibly for Turkey.

3.  Which brings us to a question about Israel, the only true
democracy in the region, which also even grants Israeli Arabs the
rights to vote, to have members in the Knesset, even if they make
public speeches reeking of antisemitism, calling for the destruction
of Israel, etc.  As demonstrated in Reich's book Mass Psychology of
Fascism, the poison of antisemitism is always a hallmark for
sex-frustration and racist hatred.  Antisemitic literature is
abundant in the Arab world, to include Mein Kampf, Protocols of the
Elders of Zion, and other discredited missives, some of which is
actively believed and shaped into foreign policy, as with the rulers
of Saudi Arabia.  Those rulers not only hate Jews, but also consider
Americans to be scum, American women to be whores and prostitutes.
They consider all the American troops stationed there, to protect
those debauched Saudi princes in power, as merely mercenaries, hired
guns.  So they cannot drive into the cities of Jedda, sit at a cafe,
and enjoy a cup of tea, etc.  The men who rule the country will
butcher their own wives if they show any independence, and the rulers
are liberals as compared to Bin Ladin, the Wahabbi, who became so
offended by the presence of infidels on Holy Saudi Territory as to
launch a personal terror war.

4.  I have sat in small cafe's in Egypt and Israeli Palestinian
areas, as early as 1980, and spoke with the common man.  In
discussions, it became clear, their emotional reaction to the
presence of  a Jew on what they consider to be Hold Arab Earth, is
rather like you or I, the western reader, reacting to the presence of
a piece of shit floating in your morning coffee, discovered only when
you held it up to drink.  Likewise, the mix of lust and hatred which
is provoked by a western female, who does not wear a veil, and who
might (as the Israeli women do) dress with minimal clothing.  The
targeting of females by Arab terrorists in Israel is common. Young
men, with dynamite strapped to them, prefer to walk up to groups of
young Israeli girls before blowing themselves and the girls to bits.
In a more rational world, the same Arab boy might give the Jewish
girl flowers, or ask her to dance.  Instead, the sex-repression is so
extreme, that only a deadly hatred is expressed.

5.  These sex-economic factors aside, Western businesses

Re: [CTRL] More On Canadian Border Fascism

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Kelly wrote:

 I guess some Americans have never experienced being held for three hours
 and strip searched.  By men.  This happened to me as a young woman and
 the only reason I have ever been able to figure out was for their sexual
 gratification.  So some jerk off journalist complaining that he was
 questioned for bringing a 13-year-old girl into Canada has no sympathy
 from me.

 Kelly


Why would some jerk off journalist (a father) go to the trouble of
traveling to Canada when he could bugger the 13-year-old girl (his
daughter) right here in the good ol' USA?

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Re: [CTRL] More On Canadian Border Fascism

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iggy wrote:

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 they ask the mommies too. i've seen it. i've also seen the turn the mommie back
 because she didn't have a letter.
 its socialism not facism


Not much difference between fascism and socialism.  Maybe they're
socialistic fascists?  Is this the US's future?


fascism \fa-'shi-zem also fa-'si-\ noun (1921)

1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the
Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and
that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a
dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and
forcible suppression of opposition.


socialism \so-she-'li-zem\ noun (1837)

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating
collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means
of production and distribution of goods

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Neocolonial Invitation to a Tribal War (Noam Chomsky)]

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Published on Monday, August 13, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times

Neocolonial Invitation to a Tribal War

by Noam Chomsky

What we feared has come true, Israeli sociologist Baruch
Kimmerling writes in Israel's leading newspaper. Jews and
Palestinians are regressing to superstitious tribalism
War appears an unavoidable fate, an evil colonial war.
This prospect is likely if the U.S. grants tacit
authorization, with grim consequences that may reverberate
far beyond.

There is, of course, no symmetry between the ethno-national
groups regressing to tribalism. The conflict is centered in
territories that have been under harsh military occupation
since 1967. The conqueror is a major armed power, acting
with massive military, economic and diplomatic support from
the global superpower. Its subjects are alone and
defenseless, many barely surviving in miserable camps.

The cruelty of the occupation has been sharply condemned by
international and Israeli human rights groups for many
years. The purpose of the terror, economic strangulation and
daily humiliation is not obscure. It was articulated in the
early years of the occupation by Moshe Dayan, one of the
Israeli leaders most sympathetic to the Palestinian plight,
who advised his Labor Party associates to tell the
Palestinians that you shall continue to live like dogs, and
whoever wishes may leave. The Oslo peace process changed
the modalities, but not the basic concept. Shortly before
joining the Ehud Barak government, historian Shlomo Ben-Ami,
a dove in the U.S.-Israeli spectrum, wrote that the Oslo
agreements were founded on a neocolonialist basis. The
intent was to impose on the Palestinians almost total
dependence on Israel in a colonial situation that was to
be permanent. He soon became the architect of the latest
Barak government proposals, virtually identical to Bill
Clinton's final plan.

These proposals were highly praised in U.S. commentary; the
Palestinians and Yasser Arafat were blamed for their failure
and the subsequent violence.

That presentation was a fraud perpetrated on Israeli ...
and international ... public opinion, Kimmerling writes
accurately. He continues that, a look at a map suffices to
show that the Clinton-Barak plans presented to the
Palestinians impossible terms. Crucially, Israel retained
two settlement blocs that in effect cut the West Bank into
pieces. The Palestinian enclaves also are effectively
separated from the center of Palestinian life in Jerusalem;
the Gaza Strip remains isolated, its population virtually
imprisoned.

Israeli settlement in the territories doubled during the
years of the peace process, increasing under Barak, who
bequeathed the new government of Ariel Sharon a surprising
legacy, the Israeli press reported as the transition took
place early this year: The highest number of housing starts
in the territories since the time when Sharon supervised
settlements in 1992, before Oslo. The facts on the ground
are the living reality for the desperate population.

The nature of permanent neo-colonial dependency was
underscored by Israel's High Court of Justice in November
1999 when it rejected yet another Palestinian petition
opposing further expansion of the [Jewish] city of Maale
Adumim established to the east of Jerusalem, virtually
partitioning the West Bank.

The court suggested that some good for the residents of
neighboring [Palestinian villages] might spring from the
economic and cultural development of the all-Jewish city.
While they try to survive without water to drink or fields
to cultivate, the people whose lands have been taken can
enjoy the sight of the ample housing, green lawns, swimming
pools and other amenities of the heavily subsidized Israeli
settlements.

Immediately after World War II, the Geneva Conventions were
adopted to bar repetition of Nazi crimes, including transfer
of population to occupied territories or actions that harm
civilians. As a so-called high contracting party, the U.S.
is obligated to ensure respect for the conventions.

With Israel alone opposed, the United Nations has repeatedly
declared the conventions applicable to the occupied
territories; the U.S. abstains from these votes, unwilling
to take a public stand in violation of fundamental
principles of international law, which require it to act to
prevent settlement and expropriation, attacks on civilians
with U.S.-supplied helicopters, collective punishment and
all other repressive measures used by the occupying forces.
Washington has continued to provide the means to implement
these practices, refusing even to allow observers who might
reduce violence and protect the victims.

For 25 years, there has been a near-unanimous international
consensus on the terms of political 

[CTRL] Tax Rebate Blather

[Mark McHugh]

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I had a laugh today when I picked up the Sunday magazine section of
the American Pravda, USA Today.  The cover shows comic characters
Dagwood Bumstead clapping and his wife, Blondie throwing confetti
towards the mailman who walks down a red carpet and carries an
envelope labeled Tax Rebate.  In the foreground is a marching band
blaring away.  The caption:  The Check's in the Mail.  What will _you_
do with the cash?

The article, written by Joe Queenan, is titled The Great American Tax
Windfall.  The second sentence starts out, This federal program
presents Americans with a historic opportunity to drag the nation out
of a recession whose existence many economists continue to deny...
The writer mentions pumping that $1.2 trillion refund right back into
the economy.  Is that figure correct?  I doubt it very much.  I guess
I should consider the source.

I see commercials from various stores mentioning the rebate, radio ads
and articles such as the one mentioned above.  The Establishment is
really pushing the rebate idea, isn't it?  Well, my $300 is going to
the county for a part of my property taxes.  I guess my bit won't help
the economy, eh?  Hope someone covers for me! ;)

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[CTRL] [Fwd: [corp-focus] Ball Park Franks Fiasco: 21 Dead, $200,000 Fine]

[Mark McHugh]

Ball Park Franks Fiasco: 21 Dead, $200,000 Fine
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Let us now have a moment of silence for the victims of the Ball Park
Franks fiasco.

Thank you.

This is the situation: Bil Mar Foods is a unit of the Chicago-based giant
Sara Lee Corporation, the maker of pound cakes, cheesecakes, pies,
muffins, L'Eggs, Hanes, Playtex and Wonderbra products -- your typical
food and underwear conglomerate.

Bil Mar makes hot dogs -- Ball Park franks hot dogs. You've seen them when
you go to a baseball game at Tiger Stadium in Detroit and elsewhere.

Last month, Sara Lee pled guilty to two misdemeanor counts in connection
with a listeriosis outbreak that led to the deaths of at least 21
consumers who ate Ball Park Franks hot dogs and other meat products. One
hundred people were seriously injured. The company paid a $200,000 fine.

According to Kenneth Moll, a Chicago attorney representing the families of
the victims, this is what happened:

Bil Mar has a hot dog facility in Zeeland, Michigan. The company shut down
the facility over the July 4th weekend of 1998 to replace a refrigeration
unit that was above the hot processing facility. The hot dogs are heated
at one end and sent down a conveyer belt to the other.

Moll's theory is that the removal of the air conditioning unit and its
replacement dislodged some dangerous bacteria in the ceiling. When the
plant reopened, steam from the passing hot dogs went up to the ceiling,
condensed and dripped back down with the dangerous bacteria onto the hot
dogs.

In November 1998, Paul Mead from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in
Atlanta started receiving calls from the state health departments around
the country that had isolated strains of a deadly bacteria, Listeria
monocytogenes.

Mead looked at the bacteria and found that they were the same strain. He
sent out questionnaires and discovered there was an open package of hot
dogs in the home of one of the people who died. The CDC tested the hot
dogs and isolated the same bacterial strain -- a DNA fingerprint of the
type of bacteria.

According to Moll, Mead went to the Bil Mar plant in Zeeland, Michigan and
tested unopened packages of hot dogs and was able to isolate the same DNA
fingerprint bacteria. In December 1998, Sara Lee ordered a recall of
millions of pounds of hot dogs and deli meats.

According to a series of reports in the Detroit Free Press, plant workers
were regularly testing work surfaces for the presence of cold-loving
bacteria -- a class of bacteria that includes the deadly Listeria
monocytogenes as well as some harmless bacteria.

According to the Free Press, beginning in July 1998, after the replacement
of the old refrigeration unit, workers recorded a sharp increase in the
presence of cold-loving bacteria. The number of positive samples remained
high until the company stopped performing tests in November 1998 -- a
month before the Sara Lee recall.

Sara Lee was doing testing of the environment in the plant for
cold-loving bacteria, said Caroline Smith DeWaal of the Center for
Science in the Public Interest. Then their tests started coming up
positive, so they stopped testing. They knew they had a problem with
bacteria in the plant. But instead of solving it, they chose to ignore
it.

This is crucial, because if the company knew that they were had a Listeria
monocytogenes problem and ignored it, they could be hit with a felony
conviction. And felony convictions have all kinds of collateral
consequences, including possible loss of federal contracts -- Sara Lee had
a big hot dog contract with the Department of Defense.

In an interview, U.S. Attorney Phillip Green said there was insufficient
evidence to bring a felony charge.

There was simply no evidence that Sara Lee Bil Mar knew that the food
product that they were producing and shipping out was adulterated with
Listeria monocytogenes, Green told us.

When asked about the allegations raised by the Free Press that the company
was testing for cold-loving bacteria, Green told us, the testing that you
are referring to is known as Low Temperature Pathogens testing -- that is
a very general test that does not necessarily indicate the presence of
Listeria monocytogenes.

The USDA regulations don't require a plant to conduct testing on finished
product for the presence of deadly pathogens such as Listeria
monocytogenes, Green said. And Bil Mar was following accepted industry
practices in conducting general testing for the low temperature
pathogens.

But Green refused to answer specific questions about evidence concerning a
possible felony violation.

Moll -- the attorney representing the victims -- told us that the evidence
does necessarily indicate the presence of Listeria monocytogenes. The
CDC's Mead found studies showing that, had Sara Lee done further testing
for the deadly strain of listeria, almost half of the cold-loving bacteria
could have tested positive for Listeria monocytogenes.

But U.S. Attorney Green never 

Re: [CTRL] The hidden treasures of King Arthur [numerological-goldenratio-codes]

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Bill Howard wrote:

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 Where do you find this, this stuff!

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,7-2001232997,00.html

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Re: [CTRL] And now for something completely different......

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Thanks for the laugh, Carl!
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Re: [CTRL] [OT] GRC.com: The Anatomy of File Download Spyware

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Thanks, Mike, for this info.  Did you read the story here about this
man's hacker problems?

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Re: [CTRL] Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon (Independent UK)(fwd)

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Yardbird wrote:

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 Hashish grows again in the fields of Lebanon


An amusing piece of cluelessness!  Fields of hash!

I remember hearing of children wearing leather aprons running through
the marijuana fields in Michoacan, collecting resin to be scraped off
later.  A hash field?

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Re: [CTRL] Protect Your Children from the Invasion of the Lesbians andHomosexual

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 NASTY, NASTY  comment.
 

 On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:40:00 -0700 Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  On 1 Jul 01, at 2:09, Aleisha Saba wrote:
 
   Maybe this author of the following sees what I saw?  Let Our
   Children Go or the Wrath of God will fall upon these sick
  perverted
   twisted people.The Plague of Aids is Upon Them.
 
  I think hate-filled people who judge others should be sodomized by
  their
  Priest while reciting 500 Hail Marys.
 
  Steve
 
 
   (Just kidding. ;)
 
  ANOMALOUS IMAGES
  http://www.anomalous-images.com


Didn't comedian Bill Hicks have the best comment about religion, child
molestation and government intervention?  Something like If the
government was worried about children being molested by the Branch
Davidians why don't we see tanks attacking St. Patrick's?

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Re: [CTRL] Reptoids and illegal drugs

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Schmidt wrote:

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 -Caveat Lector-
 
 In a message dated 6/29/01 3:20:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  i am much too modern to take offence and whip out my khyber and get
 
 all scottish on yo ass. 
 
 While the scots were (are) barbarians, the English did tame them. see the
 Union Jack.

 What the heck's a khyber?

A large knife with a slightly curved blade originating on the Indian
subcontinent.  Their version of the bowie knife or machete.

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Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters

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tenebroust wrote:

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 Glad to see there is at least one fan of the Immortal Master HPL still on the 
list!!!  Incidentally, if hardy life, capable of withstanding the rigors of space or 
hostile environments IS found there would it not be a vindication of HPL and the 
weird tales he wrote so well?  I find so much of past horror and SF are quite 
prescient about coming future events and am amazed that so much that has been written 
about has turned out to be true.  I have a theory about that, in which the avant 
garde writers, poets, artists, etc. are manipulated at times to write of things in 
order to prepare the communal psyche for the eventual discovery of unusual and/or 
unnatural things.  I have no proof of such a manipulation nor of who or what is doing 
the manipulation but it is interesting speculation in light of the phenomenon.  
Perhaps something on the order of PK Dick's orbitting artificial intelligence system, 
or J Vallee's theory of a cybernetic control system which exerts its influence 
subtley into
 the mainstream culture a



Wonder what Migo fungi taste like?

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Re: [CTRL] Hidden truths of Lake Vostok excite scientists and ranters

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Bill Howard wrote:

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 In a message dated 6/26/01 8:28:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  What about the secret Nazi bases!!!  Aren't we forgetting them!!!??? 

 YES! Was the drilling stopped by the eco-terrorists so the world won't find
 the secret Nazi base beneath the ice cap?

 BHoward


I thought the Nazi antarctic base was controlled by the Deros.  I'm
waiting to see them exit through the polar holes.

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Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

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 On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:
 The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they
 deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories
 proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read:
 FACTS).

 The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete
 with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted
 dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'...

 June


Amen!  I recommend Robert Anton Wilson's The New Inquisition which
is subtitled Irrational Rationalism and the Citadel of Science.

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Re: [CTRL] San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies

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All the services had SIGINT training at Goodbuddy when I was a soldier
there '83-'84.  Just in our classroom, one of many, the Army occupied
the Mids, Navy/Marines on AMs and the AF on the swing shift.  San
Angelo is situated in Tom Green county, a suckass place with bizarre
liquor laws, though the steakhouse were topnotch.  IMO, the government
should have closed the base and moved all operations to Ft. Devens in
Mass or, even better, to Pensacola NAS.  ;)

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radman wrote:

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 San Angelo, Texas: Home of Spies
 :

 http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,44578,00.html

 By Bill Lamb
 2:00 a.m. June 25, 2001 PDT

 SAN ANGELO, Texas -- As president of the chamber of commerce, it is
 Michael Dalby's job to be this city's biggest civic booster, always
 available to talk glowingly about the tax base, jobs, home prices and
 good corporate citizenship.

 But his repertoire of good news and optimism contains a little
 something extra: We understand the security business.

 No doubt.

 Thanks to neighboring Goodfellow Air Force Base, this isolated West
 Texas city of 87,000 may harbor more spies, ex-spies and future spies
 per capita than any place in America, save Washington, D.C.

 Since the late 1950s, the relatively obscure base, 90 miles of
 two-lane highway south of Abilene, has trained thousands of men and
 women in the increasingly high-tech art of signals intelligence, known
 in military jargon as SIGINT.

 The stock and trade of the super-secret National Security Agency,
 SIGINT is one of the most closely held, least discussed aspects of
 U.S. intelligence efforts.

 In San Angelo, however, it's a secret that really isn't, although it
 may be spoken of in euphemisms or simply referred to in vague terms.
 Publicly, the base's new armed forces firefighter training program
 grabs most of the spotlight simply because it is a mission that can be
 talked about.

 From what (a new resident) reads, he thinks all they do at Goodfellow
 is train firefighters, said retired Air Force Col. Charles E. Powell,
 Goodfellow's commanding officer from 1980-1984. As you well know,
 that's far from the truth.

 Smoke rising from Goodfellow's firefighter training grounds may
 attract the public's attention, but the work inside windowless brick
 buildings keeps the NSA's worldwide front lines manned and takes place
 without acknowledgment. Even passersby -- civilian and military alike
 -- who photograph nearby flight exhibits are warned not to shoot
 buildings in the background.

 But these simple rules belie the level of security that surrounds
 Goodfellow's mission. In many respects, the public's perception of how
 secret something can be is wholly inadequate for describing how
 carefully the details and technologies of SIGINT operations are
 guarded.

 With an average base contingent of 3,000, and military retirees living
 in the area numbering in the hundreds, San Angelo residents can never
 know if a new acquaintance is or was one of America's high-tech spies.

 Glenn Miller would be one of those unassuming strangers with stories
 to tell, but don't count on hearing any.

 He joined the Air Force in the early 1970s with plans to become an air
 traffic controller. Those plans changed when he scored well on
 language aptitude tests and was made an offer he didn't want to
 refuse. After 37 weeks of Russian language training, he arrived for
 his first tour at Goodfellow, as a student, in 1972.

 San Angelo was one of those places (the students) either liked or
 hated. And I think the people who hated it were the single guys,
 Miller said. They used to roll the streets up at 9 o'clock around
 here.

 Twenty-three years of active duty led him to additional language
 studies, multiple tours in Europe -- including a two-year stint at the
 U.S. Embassy in Moscow, a tour at NSA headquarters in Maryland and two
 additional tours at Goodfellow as both an instructor and supervisor.

 Following his second tour at Goodfellow, the Pennsylvania native
 decided San Angelo was a good place to call home. He and his wife
 Janet retired to the city in 1994, and he is now a county veterans
 service officer.

 It was friendly. Low cost of living. And totally different from
 Pennsylvania. And we didn't want to go back there, he said. We liked
 it. We just liked it.

 It's not an uncommon story, according to Dalby, who cited two of the
 more well known Goodfellow retirees: a former base commander who
 served as mayor and another veteran who established a highly
 successful chain of convenience stores in the area.

 (Retirees) are serving on different boards and committees here in the
 community, and that makes for maybe a better understanding of the
 base's mission than perhaps other communities would have, said Dalby.

 While a growing number of European governments question and fear the
 scope of American SIGINT missions, and privacy advocates protest the
 presence of American intelligence

Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

[Mark McHugh]

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June wrote:

 From: Mark McHugh

 Is an individual a homophobe if they do not like the homosexual
 lifestyle?


 What exactly IS the homosexual lifestyle?


[snip]

 So just what exactly are you referring to when you refer to a
 homosexual lifestyle, and what details about it do you
 obviously not find equally offensive when heterosexuals do the
 exact same thing?

 June


What indicates in my post that I obviously find anything offensive
with the homosexual lifestyle in particular?

I thought the question was easy enough in its concise form; sometimes
 I get too general.  Is someone labeled a homophobe if they do not
like the way homosexuals lead their lives in all the many wonderous
ways they exist, focusing only on the homosexuality?  I couldn't care
less how anyone leads their life, we've all got our own rows to hoe.
 I just like to hold everyone to the standards they set for others,
in this situation, tolerance.  For whatever reason, the BSA does not
wish to include homosexuals, they live by a different creed.  Pity
them if you wish, but tolerate them.

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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

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Tenorlove wrote:

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 --- Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Is an individual a homophobe if they do not like the homosexual
  lifestyle?
 
  I know that the -phobe part of homophobe means fear, from the
  Greek noun phobos.  Does dislike now equal fear?  Are those who do
  not like Scouts now proskopophobes, those who fear Scouts?

 Personally, Mark, I think the phobe part is that these sex-driven
 people may be afraid of leaving even one creature on the planet left
 unlaid, regardless of age, sex or species. Heaven forbid a young child
 should remain innocent.

 Tenorlove


I do not mind the sex part for consenting adults, I just have an
aversion to zealots trying to force change in thought.  I served with
homosexuals of both sexes in the Army and had no problem with them.
We shared a lifestyle, except for our choices in partners.  They
didn't try to force me to accept them, nor I them.

I'm an individual more open to persuasion--tell me why you think your
point of view should be mine.

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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 I'm always amazed (but shouldn't be surprised) when homophobes condemn
 something without actually having seen it, and then try to impose
 censorship so that no one else can see it, either...

 June


Is an individual a homophobe if they do not like the homosexual
lifestyle?

I know that the -phobe part of homophobe means fear, from the
Greek noun phobos.  Does dislike now equal fear?  Are those who do
not like Scouts now proskopophobes, those who fear Scouts?

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Re: [CTRL] Tommy Sheridan and Scottish Revolution

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c wrote:


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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2001 5:13 PM
 Subject: [CTRL] Tommy Sheridan and Scottish Revolution

  I haven't heard of anyone as yet who has died of cannabis
 poisoning. [I'm sure people do though]


  not even one recorded instance. ever.


I've got a friend who's allergic to it, so it follows that some
individual out there may have an even more violent, possibly fatal
reaction to it.  Never say never. ;)

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Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy theories On the grassy knoll

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Steve Wingate wrote:

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 I asked a bystander in Dallas where the grassy knoll was. He got really mad
 and said, Dallas is a beautiful city. Why do you come here to focus on
 something that happened decades ago?!!

 I think it has something to do with trying to learn the truth.

 BTW, I did not think Dallas was that pretty, and the air was so polluted that I
 could not wait to leave. Most people I met were very unfriendly as well.


While living in San Antonio and San Angelo I heard the natives joke
about Dallas being Texas' Ellis Island.  Most immigrants stay near
there there.  I remember a fine example of bathroom graffiti:  Help
beautify Texas.  Put a Yankee on a bus headed north.  I also bought a
t-shirt in Big D that said Welcome to Texas.  Now go home.  Yep.  I
preferred the Tex-Mex hospitality of San Antonio.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Subverting The Occupation

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Thursday, April 12, 2001

Subverting The Occupation

Friends,

Three young Israelis were arrested this evening for driving a car through
Tel-Aviv as they broadcast through a loudspeaker, "A curfew has been imposed
on Tel-Aviv.  Residents must enter their homes.  People seen on the streets
after 7:30 p.m.  risk responses according to the usual procedures."

A second car with the same message made a successful getaway.

Police arrested the three (two young women and one young man names still
withheld) and have so far refused to allow them to meet with their lawyer.
The charge against them is "terrorizing the public".

One wishes that politicians and generals could be similarly charged for
making the same statements in Hebron and other Palestinian cities.

In that same vein, another group of young people plan to "lay siege" to
Kokhav Ya'ir tomorrow, the up-scale Israeli community where many Israeli
generals reside.  The announcement of the action reads:

"Kokhav Ya'ir is a place inhabited by several army generals who endanger
both our security and the security of the whole region.  [Therefore, ] for
security reasons, tomorrow, Thursday April 11, we will put a crown [siege]
on this place to prevent these dangerous people from leaving it to [go
about] their harmful business.  Needed:  people, vehicles and tools.  Those
interested in participating please contact us as soon as possible.  Moran
and Noam"

A few weeks ago, another group staged a march with signs calling "Restore
the British Mandate!"   Perhaps they confused some onlookers, but the
message was clear:  British colonial rule of Palestine was in many ways more
benign than the Israeli occupation.

This defiance of the Israeli occupation by the young -often daring, often
with humor -helps expose the absurdities of the occupation and subvert the
self-righteousness of its perpetrators.

And the most optimistic news lately is the growing reluctance of Israeli men
to show up for army reserve duty.  While not generally motivated by
ideological reasons, this very absence of ideology is what is so
encouraging.

Post-ideology would be such a relief.

Gila Svirsky

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[CTRL] Fwd: McVeigh Execution Protocol

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from The Smoking Gun site newsletter



Dear Friends:


TSG normally doesn't post documents clocking in at 54 pages, but
today we're making an exception. That's because the Bureau of Prisons
has produced a fascinating "execution protocol" to help guide
government officials through the scheduled May 16 killing of Timothy
McVeigh. The Oklahoma City bomber will be the first federal inmate
executed since February 1963, when murderer/kidnapper Victor Feguer
was hanged at the Iowa State Penitentiary. The government's how-to
guide is at:

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[CTRL] Feds vs. Bongs

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I wonder if it's illegal to make a bong out of an apple or a Coke
can?  Next they criminalize possession of bong-making materials?
Pretty soon everything will be illegal, all citizens subject to arrest
at Big Brother's convenience.

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Feds vs. Bongs: Heads Up for Head Shops

http://www.drcnet.org/wol/174.html#headsup

Adam Engleby thought everything was cool.  Yes, his shop, Hemp Cat
in Iowa City, sold, ahem, "smoking accessories," or bongs, pipes,
and rolling papers, but the Iowa City Police Department visited
regularly, and they never had any problem with Hemp Cat's back room.
Heck, Engleby even had signs in his store advertising the
accessories as being for use with tobacco, he wouldn't allow any
talk about drugs in the shop, and he certainly didn't allow minors
into the back room.  And after all, Iowa City is a progressive,
tolerant college town, and local police reflected the relaxed
attitude.

The Iowa City Police Department's Sgt. Brotherton said as much to
DRCNet.  "We don't see [the Hemp Cat] as a major problem," he said.
"We weren't paying much attention."

But what was an acceptable arrangement for the community wasn't good
enough for the feds.  On February 11th, Engleby's home and business
were raided by teams of civilian-dressed law officers, headed by the
Drug Enforcement Administration.

"The DEA led the raids," Engelby told DRCNet.  "The only badge I was
shown was a DEA badge.  They had warrants for "drug paraphernalia"
and any sort of records, and they took everything. They took our
rolling papers, they took real tobacco pipes, and, of course, they
seized all of our computers -- four of them, two at the store and
two at home.  They even took my wife's computer."

"The Iowa City PD never hassled us in six years of business,"
groaned Engleby, "and no one ever came in and told us to stop, no
one complained."

No one was arrested, Engleby said, and no charges have been filed,
but Engleby has now joined a growing number of "alternative store"
(the industry cringes at the term "head shop") owners and operators
being rudely awakened to the reality of federal drug paraphernalia
laws.

Unlike many state and local paraphernalia statutes, which allow for
a subjective, contextual interpretation of whether a given object is
indeed drug paraphernalia -- sometimes a spoon is only a spoon --
federal law is black and white:  Possession of a bong is a federal
offense, and so, of course, is sale or manufacture of a bong, or
conspiracy to do so.  It can get you three years in federal prison.
And it doesn't matter if the bong has never been used or if it is a
jewel-encrusted work of art; a bong is a crime.  And to make things
even rosier, since 1990 federal law has made drug paraphernalia
violators subject to Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization
(RICO) and money laundering charges, as well.

"It's simple," head shop defense attorney Robert Vaughan, the
long-time publisher of an industry newsletter, told DRCNet.  "If you
have a bong, you're violating federal law.  You can get a license to
own a tommy gun, but you can't get one to own a bong."

"Stores that have bongs are screwed," the Nashville-based lawyer
said.  "They can't win.  The Supreme Court upheld its so-called
objective standard in US vs. Pipes and Things in 1994, and now
categories of items are per se illegal."

That was news to Engleby and his customers.  "The customers are
really disappointed, they're saying can they do that?," Engleby
said.  "Everyone is shocked that DEA has that kind of power.  One
city council member came in to express his support; he didn't think
it was right."

Unfortunately for Jerry Clark and Kathy Fiedler of Des Moines, they
were already well aware of federal paraphernalia laws. Their shop,
Daydreams, was raided by the feds last year, and they are scarred by
the experience.

"We were raided by US Postal Inspectors, the DEA, and local cops and
sheriff's deputies," Clark told DRCNet, "and we're barely hanging on
now.  It's hurt us financially; we've lost over $250,000 in
inventory and paid out lots of money in legal fees."

"And they're using the RICO act on us, so we're facing 10 to 12
years," Clark said bitterly.  "They've seized my partner's
properties under the asset forfeiture laws.  But all we can do is
try to litigate our way out or come to a negotiated settlement.
We're trying to work out a better deal than going to court."

"We weren't aware of the federal law," interjected Fiedler, "but
let's face it, we weren't the only ones.  We did everything to the
letter of the law as we knew it, we did not sell to minors, we
checked ID, if they didn't have ID, tough luck."

Clark and Fiedler remain in business, but they are angry.  "

Re: [CTRL] Disorderly Conduct

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Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:

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 From: "Marilyn Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Yes, and a six-eight year-old kid who points a finger at another kid
  in school and says "bang bang" gets suspended or expelled from
  school and probably scheduled for years of psychiatric treatment.
 
  And this after years of Cowboys and Indians/ Cops and Robbers.
  Is this still a free country?

 You think that's bad?  Last week I was listening to a local news show, and they 
mentioned that it is illegal
 here in Connecticut to leave your car unlocked

 So the day before, when I parked 7 feet from my local library's door and just ran in 
to renew a book, leaving
 my car unlocked because I was only going to be there less than 2 minutes, I 
apparently was breaking the law...
 :-7

 June


It was/is the same way in Germany.  Back in the early 80s a friend got
a DM5,00 fine for leaving his car unlocked in West Berlin.

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Re: [CTRL] Disorderly Conduct

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Prudence L Kuhn wrote:

[snip]

 POLICE CHARGE CORRY HITCHHIKER, CLAIM SHE MADE OBSCENE GESTURE AT PASSING
 DRIVER

 A Corry hitchhiker accused of making an obscene gesture to a driver who
 passed her by has been charged with disorderly conduct.

 Corry police identified the woman as KA. M__, 43,  (address).
 Police said an officer was watching on Tuesday about 11:20 a.m. when M___
 made the gesture to a driver who passed her by on East Main Street. End of
 quote.

 I thought you might like to know the direction that "law and order" is
 taking.  Its purpose no longer appears to be to protect our citizens from
 harm.  I'm not sure how many places an "obscene gesture"  amounts to
 disorderly conduct, but I just thought we should all be aware of the
 enthusiasm with which our nation's finest are applying the law.   In several
 years an offense as grevious as this one may put you in the slammer for five
 or ten years.


They'll just put offenders in the organ banks so they serve society
better than they would in prison.

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Konformist: THE LEGACY OF ARIEL SHARON]

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THE LEGACY OF ARIEL SHARON

 This is a place of filth and blood which will forever
 be associated with Ariel Sharon. In Israel today, he
 may well be elected prime minister. Then he will be
 master of the most powerful nation in the Middle
 East; he will travel to America, he will visit the
 White House and shake hands with President
 George W Bush. But for everyone who stood in the
 Sabra and Chatila refugee camps in Beirut on 18
 September 1982, his name is synonymous with
 butchery; with bloated corpses and disembowelled
 women and dead babies, with rape and pillage and
 murder...

   By Robert Fisk

[The Independent, UK, 6 February 2001]:

Even when I walk these fetid streets today, more than 18 years after
what was - by Israel's own definition of that much-misused phrase -
the worst single act of terrorism in modern Middle East history, the
ghosts haunt me still. Over there, on the side of the road leading to the
Sabra mosque, lay Mr Nouri, 90 years old, grey-bearded, in pyjamas
with a small woollen hat still on his head and a stick by his side. I
found him on a pile of garbage, on his back, fly-encrusted eyes staring
at the blazing sun. Just up the lane, I came across two women sitting
upright with their brains blown out, next to a cooking pot and a dead
horse. One of the women appeared to have had her stomach slit open.
A few metres away, I discovered the first babies, already black with
decomposition, scattered across the road like rubbish.

Yes, those of us who got into Sabra and Chatila before the murderers
left have our memories. The flies racing between the reeking bodies and
our faces, between dried blood and reporter's notebook, the hands of
watches still ticking on dead wrists. I clambered up a rampart of earth
- an abandoned bulldozer stood guiltily nearby - only to find, once I
was atop the mound, that it swayed beneath me. And I looked down
to find faces, elbows, mouths, a woman's legs protruding through the
soil. I had to hold on to these body parts to climb down the other side.
Then there was the pretty girl, her head surrounded by a halo of
clothes pegs, her blood still running from a hole in her back. We had
burst into the yard of her home, desperate to avoid the Israeli-uniformed
militiamen who still roamed the camp; coming in by the back door, we
had found her body as the murderers left by the front door.

And as I walked through the carnage on 18 September - the last day of
the three-day massacre - with Loren Jenkins of The Washington Post,
a fierce, tough, Colorado reporter, I remember how he stopped in
shock and disgust. And then, with as much energy as his lungs could
summon in the sweet, foul air, he shouted, "SHARON!" so loudly that
the name echoed off the crumpled walls above the bodies. "He's
responsible for this fucking mess," Jenkins roared. And that, just over
four months later - in more diplomatic words and in a report in which
the murderers were called "soldiers" - was what the Israeli commission
of enquiry decided. Sharon, who was minister of defence, bore "personal
responsibility", the Kahan commission stated, and recommended his
removal from office. Sharon resigned.

And so today, in this fetid, awful place, where Lebanese Muslim
militiamen were - three years later - to kill hundreds more Palestinians
in a war which produced no official inquiries, where scarcely 20 per
cent of the survivors still live, where brown mud and rubbish now
covers the mass grave of 600 of the 1982 victims, the Palestinians wait
to see if their tormentor will hold the highest office in the state of
Israel.

"Ariel Sharon was responsible," a well-dressed young man shouted at
us from an apartment balcony yesterday morning. And who could
disagree? Israel had invaded Lebanon on 6 June 1982 with a plan -
known to Sharon but not vouchsafed to his Likud prime minister,
Menachem Begin - to advance all the way to Beirut and surround
Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organisation guerrillas in the
Lebanese capital. Officially named "Operation Peace for Galilee" (the
real Israeli military codename was "Snowball"), the invasion was
supposedly a response to PLO rocket attacks across the Israeli border.

But the rocket attacks had followed a series of Israeli air-raids on
Lebanon which had ended a UN-brokered ceasefire and which were
supposedly in "retaliation" for the attempted murder of the Israeli
ambassador to London - though his would-be killers came from the
Abu Nidal group which had 

[CTRL] Cicero's Six Human Mistakes

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Marcus Tullius Cicero, the great Roman orator who died in 43 B.C.,
recorded what he considered to be the six most drastic mistakes made
by us humans.  Some things never change:

1.  The delusion that individual advancement is made by crushing
others.

2.  The tendency to worry about things that cannot be changed.

3.  Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot do it
ourselves.

4.  Refusing to set aside trivial preferences.

5.  Neglecting development and refinement of the mind, and not
acquiring the habits of reading and study.

6.  Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do.

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

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Kelly wrote:

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 Scientists say cannabis can drive users insane

 http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2001/0201/breaking9.htm
 Last updated: 08:32

 Far from being a relatively harmless "soft" drug, cannabis can drive
 people temporarily insane as well as harming the heart, lungs and immune
 system, British scientists said today.

 Studies showed that the drug can have serious effects on both mental and
 physical health.

 Dr Andrew Johns, from the Institute of Psychiatry in London, said
 regular cannabis use led to acute psychological problems in a high
 proportion of people.

 One study found 15 per cent of cannabis users identified psychotic
 symptoms such as hearing voices or irrational feelings of persecution.
 A number of reports, reviewed by Dr Johns in the British Journal of
 Psychiatry, suggested the drug could induce psychosis in people with no
 history of severe mental illness.


One of my pet theories is that pothead paranoia is generated by the
extrinsic legal risks which are involved with cannabis, thanks to our
psychotic governments.

By the way, does anyone know what percentage of the total population
shows psychotic symptoms?

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to be well adjusted to a sick society.
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Re: [CTRL] England still owns America?

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John Cone wrote:

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   --- Mike Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   "THE WORLD IS RULED FROM THE " CITY OF LONDON "
 
INCLUDING:
 
  THE ENTITY KNOWN AS THE VIRGINIA COMPANY  RENAMED
 
  THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION AND BODY
  POLITIC IN 1781 AT THE CAPITULATION OF GENERAL
  CORNWALLIS."
  ___
 
  Nakano Comments:
  Shortly after Bill Clinton was elected President
  for the first time, British Prime Minister Tony
   Blair made a state visit to the White House.
  When the two national leaders held a joint news
  conference in the White House, two speaker's podiums
  were at the front of the room with a red carpet
  running to each.
  The U.S. Flag was beside one podium.
  The British Flag was beside the other.
  Tony Blair spoke from the podium with the
  U.S. Flag while Clinton spoke from the podium
  with the British flag.
  I have often wondered in this was symbolic of
  something, or if it meant nothing at all.
  Nakano


Go here and do a little reading.  You may find something of interest.

http://a-albionic.com/

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[CTRL] Hey, Kansan1225!! About this execution date...

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What's the significance of 16MAY01 in re CLuM thinking?  I just heard
on the news that this is the date set for Tim McVeigh's execution.

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Re: [CTRL] [smashthestate] Fwd: TV Doc. Examines NSA Role

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 In a message dated 1/11/01 10:15:19 AM Central Standard Time,
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  ``We intercept communications of adversaries of the United States
  and attempt to turn that into wisdom for American policy-makers
  and commanders,''


   Well if the 'adversaries' are in communication with American citizens, what
 then?

Anything going out of the US or incoming from outside of the US is
fair game for overseas interceptors, like those at Menwith Hill in the
UK.  The NSA is not supposed to intercept internal comms.  The
loophole is that there is an intel-sharing agreement with UK-USA and
also ANZAC, if I recall correctly.  The NSA can receive intercepts of
US comms from our foreign partners.  At least this is how it was back
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Re: [CTRL] CSETI: AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY(fwd)

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 --- MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
DISCLOSURE
 
AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY

Tenorlove wrote:


 An ET/alien post that doesn't mention D.Icke? Somebody's not doing
 their homework! :-D

 Tenorlove


Please, don't get Ole Gerstrøm started!

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2

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Nurev Ind Research wrote:

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 "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
 
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  In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
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I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether
  Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being
  fecetious either. 
 
  Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed
  me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls."  He was a Southern
  Baptist and of course a college grad.  He was even a fair dentist.  I have no
  reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a
  change of heart.  The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow
  the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws.  Now that the same
  court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the
  basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology.
  Republicans are very interesting people.  Perhaps they will decide that
  Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul.  Prudy

 This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing
 whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no
 such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays
 have soul.

 Joshua2


What about the Godfather of Soul, James Brown?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Iraq says sanctions killed over 10,000 last month

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Carl Amedio wrote:

  Subj:Iraq says sanctions killed over 10,000 last month
  Date:  12/17/00 8:00:44 AM Central Standard Time
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  Iraq says sanctions killed over 10,000 last month

  BAGHDAD, Dec 17 (Reuters) - Iraq said on Sunday more than 10,000 people,
 most of them children, died last month from illnesses spreading as a result
 of U.N. sanctions


Wouldn't it be a fine gesture for the new US president to lift
sanctions against Iraq, the son of the man who imposed the very same
sanctions?

What the hell would the Lefties say?  No?

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Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement

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 By the way, I wonder how the Erisians, Subgenii and Discordians fit
 in?
 
 

 I have my suspicions that Bob may be Jewish. Or at least pretending to be.



Perhaps Bob is doing that to scare away more racists.

IMO, he looks like an acid-jangled WASP to me.

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Re: [CTRL] Bill's posts was Re: [CTRL] The Conspiracies of Empire

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Tenorlove wrote:

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 It's not just on WebTV. The print comes up very small and blurry in all
 his HTML posts. If I copy  paste to a text document, either email or
 MS Word, it comes up fine. It would be nice if everyone would post in
 plain text unless the HTML is essential to the message. Hyperlinks and
 attachments still work with plain text emails. Not only is plain text
 easier to read, but HTML takes 4 times as much bandwidth as the same
 message in plain text, and fills up inboxes quite rapidly.

 Tenorlove


So true.  Plain text is very environment-friendly.

Why is there MIME/HTML mail?  The only reason I can figure is that
those webmail sites use MIME to post.


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Re: [CTRL] Dangers of the New Age movement

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 This is an excellent site for those who know nothing about the dangers to our
 society coming from the New Age movement and those who wish to learn more
 about this very extensive topic.  Hannah Newman, a Jewish researcher who
 lives in Israel, recently sent out a notice about her site as follows:

 "My new, greatly expanded and updated research on New Age antisemitism is
 now on line.
 Go to:
 http://homestead.virtualjerusalem.com/antisemitism/index.html"


Is anti-Semitism more prevalent than anti-[insert cultural identity
marker] in the US?  I've seen quite a bit of anti-hickism and
anti-blackism, but haven't run into much anti-Semitism, unless it's of
the anti-Arab variety I've witnessed on the silver and blue screens.
Even after having lived in New York for three years, I haven't seen
any, besides the same level of stereotypical BS that I see most other
cultural groups suffering:  the drunken Mick, the flashy Dago, the
mouthy JAP.  Hell, around here they make fun of the Southern Baptists
(the blathering Biblethumper, Apocalyptic White Trash).

As for New Age anti-Semitism, I've yet to run into any in my years of
research and casual surfing, unless they're using crypto-anti-Semitic
symbols, though I'm a pretty good at ciphering that esoteric stuff.
``

I just gave that site a read and the one thing I'm happy to see is the
header "Welcome to one Jew's analysis..."  If that hadn't been there,
I would have mistaken this for some Xian fundie page.  Hannah Newman
seems to equate Theosophy with the whole New Age and the New Age
sounds like the Nazis, focusing particularly on eliminating the Jews.

More tribal-centric spook stories.  Is there any fun in creating such
realities?  I know P.K. Dick enjoyed a more egocentric version, but he
had his problems.

Even though it's a load of crap, thanks for the link!  This is some
fun reading.  I enjoy a good paranoid screed now and then.

I'm open-minded, so I'll let you know if I become convinced, after a
more thorough reading.

By the way, I wonder how the Erisians, Subgenii and Discordians fit
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Re: [CTRL] eBay item 517126709 Bilderberg document 1957 conspiracy

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Very bizarre.  I looked up the item, advertised as for sale only in
the US and received this message:

"Dear User:

Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been
blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country. Based on our
discussions with concerned government agencies and eBay community
members, we have taken these steps to reduce the chance of
inappropriate items being displayed. Regrettably, in some cases this
policy may prevent users from accessing items that do not violate
the law. At this time, we are working on less restrictive
alternatives. Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience this
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[CTRL] An interesting Bible resource

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The Skeptic's Annotated Bible

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Re: [CTRL] eBay item 517126709 Bilderberg document 1957 conspiracy

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Nessie wrote:

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 Where are you located?


Illinois.

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[CTRL] A New Star in Space

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`
NASA Science News for December 1, 2000

Something in the heavens is growing
brighter and it will soon become one
of the most eye-catching stars in the
night sky. No it's not a supernova.
It's the International Space Station!

FULL STORY at

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!

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 Stopforth, Jamie wrote:

 Wow, nice propaganda article here.  If it's truth you seek then
 visit
 here...http://www.members.home.net/projectonesoul/israel/israel.htm
 and this one... http://www.rotter.net/israel/

 I'll throw rocks at you with the intent to kill you and if you have
 a gun, you have every right to fire back.   "Oh wait, he's throwing
 rocks at me, I have to play fair, put down my weapon and throw rocks
 back."  Since when is war fair?  And not just that, but they are NOT
 only using rocks, they do have weapons, but CNN doesn't want us to
 know that either.

 Jamie


Jamie,

Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count?  Are
Palestinians such shitty shots?  Any fool can get a good body count
with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem?  Is it that we
aren't getting the facts?

I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto
trains for "relocation", hell they already have them in ghettoes.

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Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world
-Anon

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Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Israeli War Crimes- NOT!

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 Stopforth Jamie wrote:

 Jamie,

 Can you tell me why the large difference in the body count?  Are
 Palestinians such shitty shots?  Any fool can get a good body count

 with an Uzi or an AK on full auto, what's the problem?  Is it that
 we
 aren't getting the facts?

 I don't know why the Israelis just don't herd the Palestinians onto

 trains for "relocation", hell they already have them in ghettoes.

 --
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 Israel--Hitler's revenge on the world
 -Anon

 So by default the people with the less body count are the "Bad
 Guys?"  Hmm Let me see, I have a grenade launcher, an enemy soldier
 fires at me, I launch back killing him and his surrounding soldiers?
 Just one of the many scenarios that can play out in the dynamics of
 battle


It seems that you're under the black/white, Good Guys/Bad Guys
dualistic illusion.  This is a much more complex reality.

If these pages, whose URLs you mention, are the truth, that all these
armed Arabs actually have ammo, wouldn't there be photos of Israelis
swinging from lampposts and masses of dead strewn through the
streets?  They're armed and pissed.  Those LAWs featured on both pages
(same photo) would make one hell of a mess.  Where's the carnage?  Why
the large difference in the body counts?

The Rotter page you mentioned shows a bunch of pissed off Arabs.  I'd
be angry too if I lived under the conditions they do.

The One Soul page mentions Israel granting the PA rule over
Palestinian reservations.  Isn't the PA a puppet of the Israelis?
Don't the Palestinian people hate the PA?  Maybe all that I've read is
wrong.  Maybe the Firesign Theatre is right.

I want to know who has the superior force and tactics.  Propaganda
from both sides shows mere skirmishes.  Assuming easily that the
Israelis have the advantage, the ultimate high ground of the sky, why
haven't they pressed the attack?  Do they plan a war of attrition?


But as for body count numbers... Can I get a recount?  My point
 being, just how accurate are those numbers? Do you know for sure?
 Are issues like that still open to question even after they've been
 reported by the major media outlets? I would hope so.


Do you mean to say the Israelis have no media outlets to the outside
world?  You give URLs for two pages that show no numbers.  Do you have
any sources for the Truth other than propaganda photo spreads?


 As for the catchy quote...  People are free to say anything they
 feel is true... I don't even know the Anon guy, maybe he was famous,
 maybe not, but if he was, does it make his statement anymore
 correct?

 Jamie

Famous does not make it correct.  I'd be happy with a book of good
quotes from normal people.  People are free to say anything, true or
not, whether they believe it or not.  My quote and mention of trains
and relocation are examples of black humor--Socratic, ironic and
sardonic.  My foul mood inspired their inclusion.

I'm in a foul mood because, by nature I seek balance, yet I
continually see one-sided opinions.  "Israeli War Crimes" "Israeli War
Crimes- NOT!"  Can't people be honest with themselves and admit that
acts on both sides are criminal or do we subscribe to the idea that
the ends justify the means?

Do I take sides?  Yes.  I back the people who are sick of the constant
warfare.  I believe the peace-loving people on any side of any
conflict are being screwed by greedhead leaders whose best control
method against them is division.  What can we do about it?  Education
is the only thing I can come up with that may do some good.


 "Reality--The perception of truth based on observation"

   -Jamie

   Look, I have a cool quote now...


Not so sure about that, Jamie.

Reality exists independent of observation--a very strange, uncertain
reality, albeit.

Perception is flawed, considering the minuscule portion of the
electromagnetic spectrum we are able to perceive, thus the merit of
observation is questionable.

Define "truth".  Nevermind.  I'm being a tired shit.


--
´´
Mark McHugh


More cool quotes:

It is not a sign of good health
to be well adjusted to a sick society.
 -- J. Krishnamurti

Like it or not, a riot is the voice of the unheard.
--Maxine Waters

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Subject: Lady in Red dead the day democracy died
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Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:07:35 GMT


Sometimes, i forget that those damn synchros will up and bite you in
the ass when you're sleeping with The Con, like i've been while
getting entraped and enthralled by the joke this election has become.

In any case, Jean Hill, the "Lady in Red" from the Zapruder film, who
was standing next to Mary Moorman, died in Dallas tuesday at the age
of 69.

Get out.

http://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/210512_hillobit_09met.html

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[CTRL] Steal Their Wifes Day

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I just heard this from the "anarcho-machismo-r-us" group:

**
Those pussies from Montreal - the "anarcho-situationists" - are
planning something called "Steal Something Day", which is really
nothing more than a feeble extension of Adbusters' equally pathetic
"Buy Nothing Day".

As if some kids stealing minor items (or even cars) will concern The
Capitalist System. It's insulting to anyone who HAS to steal every
day JUST TO SURVIVE. It gives power to those who are prosperous
enough to CHOOSE whether or not to steal. Historically, the
oppressed have always HAD to steal: they had no CHOICE.

"Steal Something Day" is patronising, minor-league stuff. Perhaps it
will give a small thrill to middle-class "rebels" who are too timid
to tackle the REAL problem: the Capitalist Bastards who are
oppressing us and destroying the planet.

No. We know who the Enemy is - we have to hit them where it HURTS:
we have to SEDUCE THEIR WIVES. It won't be easy, but at least we
know those Capitalist Chicks prefer REAL MEN like ourselves to fat,
podgy, Capitalist Pigs or timid middle-class geeks.

*
SH
"They misunderestimated me"
--George W Bush

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[CTRL] Steal Something Day!

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 A - I N F O S  N E W S  S E R V I C E

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Celebrate
   STEAL SOMETHING DAY

November 24, 2000
  Participate by participating!

   a shameless 24-hour stealing spree!
 http://adbusters.tao.ca

For the past nine years, a few self-described "culture jammers" from
Adbusters Magazine have dubbed the last Friday in November "Buy
Nothing Day."

From their stylish home base in Vancouver's upscale suburb of
Kitsilano, the Adbusters' brain trust has encouraged conscientious
citizens worldwide to "relish [their] power as a consumer to change
the economic environment." In their words, Buy Nothing Day "[p]roves
how empowering it is to step out of the consumption stream for even
a day."

The geniuses at Adbusters have managed to create the perfect
feel-good, liberal, middle-class activist non-happening. A day when
the more money you make, the more influence you have (like every
other day). A day which, by definition, is insulting to the millions
of people worldwide who are too poor or marginalized to be
considered "consumers."

It's supposed to be a 24-hour moratorium on spending, but ends up
being a moralistic false-debate about whether or not you should
really buy that loaf of bread today or ... wait for it ... tomorrow!

Well, this year, while the Adbusters cult enjoys yet another Buy
Nothing Day, accompanied by their fancy posters, stickers, TV and
radio advertisements and slick webpages, a few self-described
anarcho-situationists from Montreal's East End are inaugurating
Steal Something Day.

Unlike Buy Nothing Day, when people are asked to "participate by not
participating," Steal Something Day demands that we "participate by
participating." Instead of downplaying or ignoring the capitalists,
CEOs, landlords, small business tyrants, bosses, PR hacks, yuppies,
media lapdogs, corporate bureaucrats, politicians and cops who are
primarily responsible for misery and exploitation in this world,
Steal Something Day demands that we steal from them, without
discrimination.

The Adbusters' intelligentsia tell us that they're neither "left nor
right," and have proclaimed a non-ideological crusade against
overconsumption. Steal Something Day, on the other hand, identifies
with the historic and contemporary resistance against the causes of
capitalist exploitation, not its symptoms. If you think
overconsumption is scary, wait until you hear about capitalism and
imperialism.

Unlike the misplaced Buy Nothing Day notion of consumer empowerment,
Steal Something Day promotes empowerment by urging us to
collectively identify the greedy bastards who are actually
responsible for promoting misery and boredom in this world. Instead
of ignoring them, Steal Something Day encourages us to make their
lives as uncomfortable as possible.

As we like to say in Montreal: dranger les riches dans leurs niches!

And remember, we're talking about stealing, not theft. Stealing is
just. Theft is exploitative. Stealing is when you take a yuppie's
BMW for a joyride, and crash into a parked Mercedes just for the
hell of it. Theft is when you take candy from a baby's mouth.
Stealing is the re-distribution of wealth from rich to poor Theft is
making profits at the expense of the disadvantaged and the natural
environment. Stealing is an unwritten a tax on the rich. Theft is
taxing the poor to subsidize the rich. Stealing is nothing more than
a tax on the rich. There is solidarity in stealing, but property is
nothing but theft.

So, don't pay for that corporate newspaper, but steal all of them
from the box. Get some friends together and go on a "shoplifting
"spree at the local chain supermarket or upscale mall. With an even
larger mob, get together and steal from the local chain book or
record store. Pilfer purses and wallets from easily identified
yuppies and business persons. Skip out on rent. Get a credit card
under a fake name and don't pay. Keep what you can use, and give
away everything else in the spirit of mutual aid that is the
hallmark of Steal Something Day.

Download our detourned poster http://adbusters.tao.ca, make copies
and stick it up wherever you can. And don't forget, send your
scamming and stealing tips to us at [EMAIL PROTECTED].

See you next Steal Something Day which, unlike Buy Nothing Day,
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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Election Hangover Photo

[Mark McHugh]

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Steve Wingate wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 He looks drunk to me, or at least has a bad hangover, or perhaps flesh eating 
disease from injecting
 Mexican brown heroin (the latter is meant as humor).

 http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/0,1108,500278519-500436586-502785232-0,00.html

 Karen Hughes looked really bad on CNN today also. No makeup, face looking broken 
out. Worse every
 day. What's going on? Maybe they got hit by chemtrails?

 Steve



You sure this photo hasn't been OJ'ed?

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[CTRL] Kids Say The Darnedest Things

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I knew there was a joke somewhere in Al Gore. ;)

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JUST POLITICS

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