Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 29160 Setup
Hi Sean, On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:22:51 -0400 sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought you might be interested on how things went. Sorry for the delay, I am recovering from an injury I suffered a little over a week ago. Anyway, due to not being able to troubleshoot the SCSI cd-rom problem for a while, and some other things I had half done, I decided to reinstall Gentoo from scratch. It was a new build so not like I had anything to loose. Once the build was completed, and made sure I included your options you suggested for troubleshooting with the initial build of the kernel I booted. Still could not access the scsi cd-rom. At least it was being assigned again, but unable to access. One thing I noticed in dmesg is that my sata dvd unit was showing up with the same identification, which they both are plextor brands, but that is where it ends, one is a scsi cdrw and the other a sata dvd burner. sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray sr 0:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 40x/40x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Ah, but the problem is that it only thinks there is one type of drive. One of the above drives should show as a DVD capable drive. Not just as a CD-ROM/ writer. Tried mounting the dvd unit, worked fine. Tried the cdrw, no luck, stated no medium present. So what it seems to be doing is the first drive it finds - SATA shows up first, becomes the only drive it cares about. But, again, why? With the above info, decided to disconnect the sata dvd. After system restarted, the scsi cdrw fired up perfectly. Makes sense. Brought system down, reconnected the sata dvd unit and after power up, both units are now working. In fact the dmesg statements are from the working config, though it was the same when it was not working. I wonder if the SCSI cable was not quite seated or had oxidized pins? At this time all I have done is tried mounting the units and was able to view the contents, have not tried burning anything at this time. Still putting system together. Anyway I do not have a cause for the problem. Some how my sata unit and scsi unit were conflicting with each other it would appear. My scsi kernel settings have the suggestions you made, and all else that is there by default. I am reluctant to mess with the scsi kernel settings after things are finally working. I hope they continue to work. Previously when I played with the settings one of my to units disappeared and I was unable to get it back. Thanks for your help, Sean Take care, Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI XPress 200m - direct rendering don't work
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:26:48 + Rudson Ribeiro Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The X start with DRI, but gl programs and X halt the system in the exit. This is the and of this tunnel? Not anything I can recommend from here. If GL is causing a halt and the bad memory location is present, perhaps a bad memory module. Or a bad controller on the cpu. I did have that happen to me once. But it only occured when compiling nvidia drivers. Replaced the cpu and everything was fine. As to the ATI drivers, they continue to cause numerous people grief. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ATI XPress 200m - direct rendering don't work
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:17:36 + Rudson Ribeiro Alves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, I was wanting install ati-drivers with DRI suport on my notebook zv6000 (AMD 64bit Linux Gentoo system), but the module fglrx don't load ~ # modprobe fglrx FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r9-ati-3/video/fglrx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) ~ # dmesg ... fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_unregister fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_get_request fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_register fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_put fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_unregister_all fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_register fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_unregister fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_get_request fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_register fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_put fglrx: Unknown symbol pm_unregister_all fglrx: Unknown symbol inter_module_register You need to set the depreciated option in the kernel. Power Management -- Legacy Power Management Bob The /var/log/Xorg.0.log show: ... (II) Loading extension ATIFGLRXDRI (II) fglrx(0): doing DRIScreenInit drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: Open failed drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999) drmOpenDevice: Open failed [drm] failed to load kernel module fglrx (II) fglrx(0): [drm] drmOpen failed (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed! (WW) fglrx(0): *** (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * (WW) fglrx(0): * (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad) * (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) * (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available* (WW) fglrx(0): * * ... My kernel is 2.6.16-gentoo-r9 with AGP suport seting: ... CONFIG_AGP=y CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y # CONFIG_AGP_INTEL is not set # CONFIG_DRM is not set ... Ati-drivers is 8.18.8-r2. The emerge of ati-drivers show several warning messages of undefined symbols. Thanks, Alves ___ Novidade no Yahoo! Mail: receba alertas de novas mensagens no seu celular. Registre seu aparelho agora! http://br.mobile.yahoo.com/mailalertas/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- - Are you living in the real world? - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What to do when you can't loggin
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 15:41:56 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of you that only use x86 based system don't know how lucky you are to have two decent bootloaders. If you took the worst aspect of LILO and GRUB and added some extra user-hostility for luck, you'd still have something a hundred times better than yaboot, the PPC bootloader :( Actually you'd have ELILO, well after adding in MS-DOS and making EFI the default partitioning. /boot becomes a DOS filesystem. But not limited to 8.3 character set. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 29160 Setup
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:07:42 -0400 sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am able to see the scsi cdrw and the jaz drive. Tried mounting the jaz drive but as expected it failed, the format of the unit cartridge is UFS. But it at least saw it, assigned it, and tried to mount when I manually tried. Under - File Systems -- Miscellaneous filesystems -- enable UFS However the scsi cdrw is still not working. Again, as you can see it dmesg shows the device. However it is not assigning it a dev. Could be a udev issue? But, just for grins, under Device Drivers -- Block devices, enable Packet writing on CD/DVD media. The defaults should be ok for that selection. Also, I note I neglected to have you select Device Drivers -- SCSI device -- SCSI generic support, but it seems to be in the kernel. And under File Systems -- CD-ROM/DVD filesystems -- ISO 9660 CDROM system support is selected? Probably have to be if sr0: works, of course add UDF file system if it's no selected. By chance have you done an etc-update/dispatch-conf since the last udev update that occured this week? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 29160 Setup
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 14:13:44 -0400 sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to get my recently built system to recognize my Adaptec 29160 configured on the system. I have SCSI built into the kernel, here is the dmesg statement, SCSI subsystem initialized, Do you have SCSI Transport Attributes --- Parallel SCSI (SPI) Transport Attributes turned on as either a module or loaded? I can see my sata drive, which from what I read, scsi needs to be working for sata access, SATA doesn't need specific attributes unless it's really a SAS interface. but there is nothing in dmesg about my scsi card coming to life, and so I cannot see my cd burner and iomega jaz drive that hang off it. Should only need, under SCSI devices support -- SCSI disk, SCSI CDROM, the previously mentioned parallel Transport, under low-level drivers -- Adaptec AIC7xxx (aka New driver), SATA support, and the SATA chipset driver. The rest is pretty much wasted space. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:48:37 -0400 Samuel Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if iRiver's support ogg? I use that exclusively and transcoding everything to mp3 would not be pleasant. My iFP-999 supports ogg. I use it on Linux - Gentoo with ifp-manager (which is not in Portage) and it works fine. Plug it into the aux jacks in my truck to listen to something other than the radio. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] An alternative to http-replicator
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:25:25 + Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the pros/cons of mounting portage over NFS Vs http-replicator? If you only have one architecture and one system type or one system that can be a superset of the others, nfs will serve you fine. If you have multiple architectures, the packages release at different times and sometimes different revs. For this http-replicator is a better choice. For example - I run x86, amd64, and power pc. Thus, need a broader spectrum of packages. Or if you run desktops and servers (different sets of software) and don't have a common set of USE flags - use say, lighttpd, php, and mysql on the server but not on the desktop. Or more likely, use postfix, sasl, tinydns, and procmail on the server, but not the desktop (assumes the desktop uses LDAP or POP). Then http-replicator would be a better choice. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] An alternative to http-replicator
On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:43:03 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My approach requires 2 emerges (boa and rsyncd) and their config files on the server plus inserting the server as the preferred mirror in 2 lines in /etc/make.conf on the client(s). That's close to what I do at work. Only I run a full Gentoo mirror because I need multiple architectures - x86, amd64, ia64, mips. Also, there are multiple users, and it's necessary to insure the LiveCDs and snapshots get transfered automatically. At home, http-replicator work fine for the small set of systems. No NFS required for either setup. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New USE flags???
On Tue, 9 May 2006 20:06:53 -0600 Justin Findlay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not even the most dogged user is going to read through every flag and decide if he wants it set or not. I do and set specific sets of flags for each machine I run. It does take about 30 min. and I do have to check for changes - USE flags going away, new ones, every six months or so, but a review is always a good thing. So, for example, Joe Hacker, who has a laptop and a server can explicitly unset all multimedia and office/desktop flags in ufed for his server while explicitly enabling just the server flags he needs while on his laptop he can enable all development flags and pick the desktop flags he wants in a matter of seconds rather than minutes because the desktop flags are all in the same catergory. You could also allow users even greater specificity over their flags with ufed by giving them the option to set flags on a per package basis, although this may be more effort than it's worth. You might want to peruse this GLEP - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0029.html It was withdrawn, but perhaps that was because other tasks took a higher priority and this needed to wait for them to complete. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Modular Xorg 7 won't start with nVidia GeForce4 440 Go
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:48:36 -0700 Daevid Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using the latest 8756 version of the nvidia driver. Try this - emerge -C nvidia-kernel nvidia-glx emerge -av =nvidia-kernel-1.0.8178-r3 =nvidia-glx-1.0.8178-r1 Set the /etc/X11/xorg.conf driver def to nvidia and re-try starting X. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] dhcp server
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:09:21 +0530
Hiren Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
^ shouldn't that be a 2?
Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:46:01 -0500 JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I leave anything out that is needed for nvidia on an amd64? Or should I not expect anything more from the on board NVIDIA GeForce 6100 even though it is running over PCI-e? Onboard video uses system memory. So the bandwidth to memory is limited by PCIe, HT, and two hops to the memory and back. Figure memory bandwidth around 800 MB/s to 1 GB/s tops, if nothing else is going on on the bus. Even an inexpensive 6200 with onboard memory has 4 GB/s or more. If you need the performance, get either a 6600 or wait a bit for the newer 7600. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:32:41 -0500 JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have been married a little over 5 years. I let my wife manage the finances starting a few years ago. She knows how much money is in the bank down to a dime. If I tap-mac and get cash, I get the 3rd-degree of what was the money for, especially if I take out $100+ : ) Well, you could cut back on eating and save, say half your lunch money each day and stash it. Or switch to tea from *$ Lattes - Only $1.00 vs $3.50. It adds up pretty quick. I am afraid I am going to have to go the wuss route and ask the wifey-poo :) Don't do it. Trust me. You'll pay big time. That $100 will turn into $400 to $1,000 for her, plus a summer of chick flicks. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommended amd64 box for Gentoo
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 03:06:42 -0500 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My main worries would be proprietary stuff like RealPlayer and the win32codecs portion of mplayer. Both work for me within reason. The win32codecs I use with mplayer-bin. And Realplayer works. But if you are one that wants seamless integration with a browser or gui, then you'll be disappointed and unhappy. I've not had any issue with streaming audio. Some issues with streaming video - video.google.com doesn't work. But for anything that's downloadable, mostly no problems playing. Some problems with video from those using very new versions of Micrsoft's video formats. fwiw - I use both Firefox and Opera, but not firefox-bin. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommended amd64 box for Gentoo
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:07:46 -0800 Bob Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:04:58 -0600 Michael Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone recommend an amd64 box to use with Gentoo 2006.0? I had considered one of the following workstations; has anyone had good or bad experience with these workstations and Gentoo for amd64? HP xw9300 Sun Ultra 40 IBM IntelliStation A Pro Alienware MJ-12 7550a Thinking about it my reply should have been - Gentoo will run fine on any box the vendor sells with a Linux as an option to on it. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r7 and dhcpcd
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 16:52:48 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I switched to kernel 2.6.15-gentoo-r7 (from r5), with an identical .config file, dhcpcd doesn't stay alive as a daemon: - it starts okay at boot time and eth1 gets its address from IAF, then it dies - when the lease time's over, I don't have internet access anymore until I rebbot. What gives ? Anyone got the same problem ? I can't actually say. However, if it's the dhcpcd that comes with net-misc/dhcp then that client has a persistence problem and the standalone client - net-misc/dhcpcd is a better choice. Or perhaps - net-misc/pump, might be a better choice? Yes, I didn't answer your question as I don't have a working knowledge of the kernel and the client other than the persistence issue seen on another Linux on an ia64 platform. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Recommended amd64 box for Gentoo
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:04:58 -0600 Michael Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone recommend an amd64 box to use with Gentoo 2006.0? I had considered one of the following workstations; has anyone had good or bad experience with these workstations and Gentoo for amd64? HP xw9300 Sun Ultra 40 IBM IntelliStation A Pro Alienware MJ-12 7550a No. Shuttle XPC SN95G5 V3 - typing this email now Nvidia 6600GT Gfx card, though it's seen several others. This system was built early 2005. Penguin Computing 1U server - been running since 2004, 2P Opteron Self-built 2P Opteron Tyan K8W S2885 motherboard, running since 2004. Nvidia 6600GT gfx card. Started out with an Nvidia 5900XT. It lost one cpu - memory controller went bad last year. Upgraded both cpus and now have powernowd running doing dynamic frequency control. Self-built 2P Opteron MSI motherboard, built 2004, motherboard lost memory traces in 2005. Now dead. All have run Gentoo, though the Penguin Computing server started out with SLES 8, that basically sucked. SLES 9 and SLES 10 are better, but it's a critical lab server and I won't run software we test on something critical like that. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] stock tracker
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:55:39 -0600 Qv6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: I'm looking for a scrolling stock ticker/tracker for Kde or Gnome. Any good one out there? I've used tclticker for ages. It's not desktop specific. http://www.nyx.net/~tpoindex/tcl.html Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 3d rendering with dri radeon
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:30:48 -0600 Bruce Burden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 09:36:05PM +0100, Benno Schulenberg wrote: My real issue is that fglrx worked under Suse 9.2, and not under Gentoo. But, no, I am NOT going back. Try installing xfishtank under Suse... By chance have you insured that - /usr/lib/libGL.la is symlinked to /usr/lib/opengl/ati/lib/libGL.la? Just asking as neither opengl-update nor eselect opengl set will create the link. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo kixtstart/jumpstart equivalent
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:54:04 -0800 gentuxx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Also, one inherent flaw with your suggestion is the requirement of a livecd. I know you mentioned floppy, but these are SPARC boxen and I doubt I could fit all the drivers/commands/etc. on a floppy, and one doesn't even have a floppy. Thus the necessity for a network boot situation. Why not setup a diskless boot via dhcp/tftp? And boot the liveCD over the net? It pretty much runs in memory. Once the kernel in running, the rest could be nfs mounted. You might have to tweak a startup/initrd script, but that should be about it all. See - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml#doc_chap5 Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 4/8 CPU Gentoo server
On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:52:01 -0800 gentuxx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Just wondering if anyone here has any experience with gentoo on a 4/8 CPU server. I've been running it for years on a 4P PIII Xeon and my take is I won't run more than 2 Intel processors on their Front Side Bus - The bus saturates very quickly. The cpus stall out waiting for memory. If you are going to run more than 2 cpus, go for an Opteron solution. It scales much better and the dual-core limits the FSB to 2 cpus per connect. Also, if you look around at places like - 2cpu.com, you'll see at 4 cpus, the Opteron's massive memory bandwidth leaves the Xeon way behind on most benchmarks. Finally, outside of very, very specific tasks, Intel's HT actually slows down performance. Again check the web sites for specific benchmarks. If your application doesn't fall into the use area where HT actually helps, it's best to turn it off. As to Linux scaling, I've run Linux, not Gentoo, on a few different 8P, 16P, 20P, 32P, and 64P systems, and on one 512P system. The 512P was kind of fun - kicking off and stopping 512 setiathome instances, all at the same time. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD 64 bit system selections
For video data, use a linear stripe across two controllers. And at least three controllers for HD video. But HD video requires SCSI or SAS, stripped across multiple controllers and 15Krpm drives in the arrays. I should be a bit more detailed. For - Uncompressed SD video - 60 MB/s sustained. 3 to 4 IDE drives striped will do. Uncompressed HD video, up to 1080i - 270 MB/s sustained - 3 disk controllers, 3 disk arrays, 15 Krpm drives. Uncompressed HD video 1080p or 4:4:4:4 or dual-link - 360 MB/s sustained - 4 disk controllers, 4 disk arrays, 15 Krpm drives. Compressed SD video - mpeg2, 480P, DVpro - 20 MB/s sustained - 1 disk controller, 7200 rpm drives, single array. 2 streams requires Uncompressed SD bandwidth. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] AMD 64 bit system selections
On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:58:53 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the best 64 bit processor choice for performance for Gentoo? Dual-core? Perhaps you should ask what the best price performance/watt in the cpu range? Generally it's best to figure out your needs and then calculate the cost for each step up in cpu power to meet those needs. Complimentary ram specs? Personally, I prefer 2-2-2 or 2-3-2.5 ram, but it's expensive and not all applications benefit. Mobo recommendations (lm_sensors and acpi support) in a 19 inch rack? Tyan or Super Micro tend to be better choices. N+1 redundant power supply recommendations? Vendors change every year. If you've got big bucks and can find someone that will sell single units - Delta. Otherwise, whomever can meet the current demands. 10/100/1000 Ethernet support? On the motherboard - best is typically Broadcom or Intel. The rest are pretty good. What's the friendliest high end video card for displaying video (fast motion) that has open source drivers? Multiple displays? Doesn't exist. But Nvidia is the better bet as their drivers tend to work more often. Which Sata-2 drives give good performance and size (400 G or more)? What's the best Raid level to run for storing, searching and manipulating tons of video, and should I get a Gentoo friendly controller or use software raid? For video data, use a linear stripe across two controllers. And at least three controllers for HD video. But HD video requires SCSI or SAS, stripped across multiple controllers and 15Krpm drives in the arrays. Finally which file system would one recommed for this video server with the best, stable performance. XFS. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] 3dlabs Wildcat Realizm
On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:04:53 +0100 (CET) Álvaro Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, any one uses Wildcat Realizm? No, but I did use a VP970 for awhile. The problem you;ll have is that Gentoo moves much faster than 3DLabs, and much faster than Xig, which used to supply the Linux driver for the older 3DLabs card (technically, the Xserver as well). 3DLabs, somewhat like ATI is more concerned with their WinXX customers - the big OEMS, big dmedia customers, and others where they can make the most of Marketing messages, and sell numerous cards. Nvidia is like this as well, but internally, has a large base of Linux using developers - not Linux specific developers, but devs that won't use other operating systems. Thus tended to get through the Linux ramp-up for drivers really fast as it had a large self-interest. So expect to have to stay on the same kernel/Xorg for a really long time. Best to switch over to just updating for GLSA issues and running a really stable system. And then when you do upgrade, expect to have to deal with the issue again. Most of 3DLabs' base will buy a set of systems and cards for a specific project, and after the 3 yrs or so the project runs, move on to the next project, at which time they will update the software and probably hardware as well. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] How many people use KDE?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:44:19 +1000 Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I ask others' experiences with e17? I just wasted my holiday installing e17 on two of three machines. It is smaller than Kde, but background is 20% of cpu . Buggy. Beautiful. A PITA to configure, and menus suck. I don't think I'll be there long. I liked enlightenment .16 except I guess I really do need icons to remind me of what I've got on the system, and good menus. I used it a bit. Reminded me too much of WinXX/KDE/Gnome do I went back to e16.7. Icons can be added with Rox and Rox-session. Menu editing is easy with e16menuedit and key editing with e16keyedit. I still haven't decided to dump e17 for real, but in looking back, I did note how heavy KDE 3.5 is. Gnome: my employers already treat me like a child; I need options and flexibility. It's also possible to use engage with e16.7. giving a task bar at the bottom of the screen. But one glaring deficiency keeps hitting me in the face---you can't do links with them. Noone has figured out how to make links user friendly? It's too complicated for the end user? Rox filer lets me make links. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Hardware Testing a PC
On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 09:26:23 + Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try searching Freshmeat for stress test, there are several programs to put network, CPU, I/O etc. through their paces. There's also StressLinux, a live CD containing a number of these programs. emerge -uDNav stress Generally, it's best to add - emerge -uDNav rss-glx The start up one or more of the screensavers via the commandline - /usr/lib/misc/xscreensaver/skyrocket which will test both openGL and sound. Add stress on the command line and that takes care of most things except 2D dma. But because desktops, like KDE, Gnome, e17, all use a layer over the X root window, one can't see the test happen. Assuming e16, flux, openbox, etc. a script would be created that does the following - Sets up odd and even forefground and background with solid colors like blue, green, red, yellow. Sets the bitmap path to /usr/include/X11/bitmaps and then create a loop that takes the bitmaps, one by one, found in the previous path and rotates each one though xsetroot - xsetroot -bitmap $bgpath/$bg -fg $oddfg -bg $oddbg Then sleep for a few sec, and get the next combo. Then do all the even background combos. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dell LCD display
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:04:48 -0600 Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking about getting one of the Dell Widescreen Ultrasharp LCD displays. Has anyone used one under Gentoo (x86) and how good is it? If you're referring to the 24 model - 2405FPW, yes I'm running on an amd64 under Gentoo. For one, you'll need a Gfx card that can drive a digital display at 1920x1200. Most inexpensive Gfx cards have a high end that stops at 1600x1200. Plus, you'll need a mode line for any resolution above 1280x1024 on most Gfx cards, though some laptops will work above that without a mode line. Regardless, this mode line work - Modeline 1920x1200 154.0 1920 1968 2000 2080 1200 1203 1209 1235 +hsync -vsync And this Modes line needs to added to the Display section - Modes 1920x1200 1600x1200 1400x1050 1280x1024 800x600 640x480 fwiw - I'm using an Nvidia 6600 Gfx card to drive the panel. It's great on text and 3D games - well, ut2004. I haven't run any other games seriously. As to watching DVDs or live video feeds, it's very good in a window, but a bit flat looking at full screen. Perhaps because it's so bright and I'm running the brightness at 0. But backing up from it to about 6 ft and it's mostly ok at full screen DVD playing. I've seen better, but not at this price and resolution. btw - Dell has it on sale for US$830 this weekend. My other complaint is Dell's color preset - it's non standard. Instead of listing preset color temperatures - 5500, 6500, 7000, they use PC standard, Mac standard, Blue, and Red. Without going through a setup procedure, it's hard to figure which corresponds closest to 6500, the NTSC color balance standard for video. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge world?
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:58:07 +0100 Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, [blocks B ] media-libs/libungif (is blocking media-libs/giflib-4.1.4) [blocks B ] app-text/xpdf-3.01-r4 (is blocking app-text/poppler-0.4.3-r4) [empty/missing/bad digest]: sys-devel/gcc-config-1.3.12-r6 [blocks B ] =x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 (is blocking x11-libs/motif-config-0.9) I get these blocks when trying to emerge world. I can't seem to figure out why for any of them. Can someone shed some light? emerge -C libungif xpdf emerge -uDNav world emerge -uDNav xpdf Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 23:17:27 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried the test cat /dev/video0 test.mpg and opening it in mplayer and all I got was the blank screen. Blank screen indicates no signal. I tried it with /dev/video24 and got static Typical tuner input, no channel, aka white noise. and with /dev/video32 I got weird polygonal images. Probably a station close by, but not tuned in - a tuner input or possible the FM radio port. I think mythfrontend is freezing up after that 1.5 seconds because it takes awhile to get back to the menu screen. Why is /dev/video spitting out nothing now, when it was just fine before I followed the mythtv howto? Typically a channel and input needs to be switched on before anything will display. Another way to test is to listen if there is audio, but the screen is still blank. That indicates an incorrect display setting, possibly in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrade + gcc dilemma
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:50:10 -0600 Anthony E. Caudel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my problem is, how do I avoid the extra 100, unnecessary compiles? I tried emerge --emptytree --upgrade -p but it ignored the upgrade option so I can't combine them that way. Simply put you can't. The base system - emerge -e system, has to be done once and that gets everything in the system profile built with gcc 3.4. However, both gcc and glibc need to be rebuilt again after the first pass, and anything using glibc needs to be rebuilt after glibc has been recompiled, thus the - emerge -e world. Think about it this way - things like binutils and linux-headers are used with gcc-3.4 and the old glibc to rebuild glibc. But the new glibc is different than the old glibc, thus bin-utils is working with pointers to places in glibc that may not exist any more. Thus needs to be rebuilt with the new glibc, as does ncurses, zlib and a ton of other things. One thing you could do to speed up the emerge -e system pass is to add a - USE=-X -doc to avoid building Xorg on the system pass. Still it take two complete passes to use both the new gcc and the glibc compiled with the new gcc. Look ate the output of emerge -ep system. All those packages before glibc have to be rebuilt after glibc has been rebuilt. And all the packages after glibc that have dependencies on the previous packages have to be rebuilt after the previous packages have been built with the new glibc. This is essentially what occurs during a Stage 1 install and /usr/portage/scripts/bootstrap.sh is run - multiple passes, rebuilding the system profile in a specific sequence. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 08:50:31 -0800 Bob Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other thing - if you're using a 64-bit machine, you'll need to run - mplayer-bin test.mpg to see the default capture. The format isn't recognized in the 64-bit version of mplayer because the codecs are 32-bit. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 18:42:09 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said, I tried setting up the evilwm stuff from the MythTV section on the Gentoo wiki. I ran kdm and selected Custom and logged in as my test user. The screen cleared and then it spit me back out at the kdm login screen. I looked at /var/log/kdm.log and everything looks normal to me: You didn't do anything wrong. And I'm not sure why it's kicking you back out. In my case, I run XDM and use Enlightenment as the window manager. With both being defined in /etc/rc.conf. Mythfrontend does run fine with that combo. One thing I note is the backend is still telling you that mythsetup hasn't been run to attach a channel to the port and to the rest of the setup. That step is not detailed in the wiki. You need to assign the those via mythsetup, before running the front end Surf to - http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html and scroll down to jusr passed the STOP sign, and work through - Mythtv-setup. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 17:47:19 -0800 Bob Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that something is not stable with the X server or with the card drivers. For now, perhaps forget MythTV and just see if you can get a stable input running with something like tvtime - [ N] media-tv/tvtime (0.9.12): High quality television application for use with video capture cards. Forget I mentioned tvtime. It doesn't work with ivtv. Best one can do is to set the input with ivtvctl, record some test footage - cat /dev/v4l/video0 test.mpg, then see if it can be played back with mplayer. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 00:40:06 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't see anything there that hinted at being my TV card, yet I KNOW it's in there. It works great in Windows. It's a Hauppage WinTV-PVR-250. Why doesn't it show up in /dev? Well, I've got the PVR-350. Have you re-emerged the ivtv drivers? They should be something like - [MU] media-tv/ivtv (0.4.0-r3): ivtv driver for Hauppauge PVR PCI cards Also, in /etc/modules.d, do you have - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ more /etc/modules.d/ .keep aliases alsa alsa.old i386 ivtv ivtv-fb nvidia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ more /etc/modules.d/ivtv alias char-major-81 videodev alias char-major-81-0 ivtv alias char-major-81-1 ivtv alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c #add above ivtv lirc_dev lirc_i2c Ans is the card showing up when you type - lspci? 02:06.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - Need MythTV setup help (resend)
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:08:02 -0600 Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to find out what each device node is connected to hardwarewise? I'm wonderine if /dev/video0 is NOT the correct device for my tv card, and if one of the other sixty-three /dev/video* nodes, but I don't want to have to go through each individual one. Is there an easier way? I'm guessing you're running devfs? Thus every node in the world. If not, and you really are running udev, then edit /etc/conf.d/rc and change - RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=yes to no and reboot. That should clear out all the useless nodes. Have you tried /dev/video1? Also, do all nodes exists in /dev/v4l? If I were running MythTV, I'd have select one of the modes from - chi rsanders # ls -l /dev/v4l total 0 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 64 Dec 30 06:57 radio0 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 65 Dec 30 06:57 radio1 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 224 Dec 30 06:57 vbi0 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 228 Dec 30 06:57 vbi4 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 232 Dec 30 06:57 vbi8 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 0 Dec 30 06:57 video0 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 16 Dec 30 06:57 video16 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 24 Dec 30 06:57 video24 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 32 Dec 30 06:57 video32 crw-rw 1 root video 81, 48 Dec 30 06:57 video48 According to xawdecode -h, -c video device video4linux video device. For devfs enabled systems, default is /dev/v4l/video or /dev/v4l/video0, in that order. For non devfs systems, default is /dev/video or /dev/video/video0 or /dev/video0, in that order. Note that on /proc enabled systems, video device detection is automagic. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] A few (gentoo-newbie) questions (mainly about binary packages)
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:24:58 +
Richard Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1)My main machine is a laptop, so it doesn't really have either the disk
space for sources or CPU power to compile everything
kernel,X,kde,openoffice ...). Is there a way to do a binary install that
will get me a fully working system within a few hours?
I just installed Gentoo onto a 640 MHz PIII that had a 4GB disk drive. Upside,
it took all of about 1 hr from a 2005.1 Stage3 CD, to get to the shell.
Downside,
2005.1 still has the old gcc, so it took a few days to upgrade gcc to 3.4,
emerge -e system,
emerge ufed, set the USE flags, then emerge -e world. But I only use
Enlightenment
or fluxbox. If you want KDE, emerge something really lightweight - fluxbox and
rox,
then let KDE crank in the background. Also, you'll need - laptop-mode-tools.
2)How exactly do gentoo security updates work? Under Mdv, there is a
mailing list with announcements of which RPMs to install. If I have a
binary-based distribution, will it be possible to keep it current?
The is a gentoo-announce list that the security updates get sent out on.
Typically, if
you're doing a daily syncs, the updates show up before the announcement.
3)Is there a relatively stable fork of gentoo with less frequent
updates, or do I have to stay on the bleeding edge? Of course I want to
get eg the latest kernel, or firefox, but I ran Mandrake Cooker for a
while, with 100MB of updates per day and all sorts of random breakage!
If you run a straight arch flag, like x86, vs unstable - ~x86, then you'll
not see
lots of updates. But, running a desktop means you'll see more packages
changing.
The other consideration is Gentoo is source based. Thus the dependencies on
specific
revisions of libraries is somewhat relaxed. And you control the interrelated
dependencies.
Thus fewer packages will change vs a binary based dist. Though with
heavyweight desktops
like KDE and Gnome, there will be more related lib changes to occur, it's just
the nature
of the beast.
4)Does anyone know of a good resource for ex-mandriva users?
Sorry, the best thing is just go through the installation guide and the Portage
related
documentation. As there are no GUI based system management tools, you'll be
doing more editing of config files. Also, leaving the world of chkconfig and
/etc/rc.*
for rc-update, /etc/init.d/ and /etc/runlevels/{boot, default,network,single}
will
be like a breath of fresh air.
Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] world problems
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 17:52:16 -0800 Zac Medico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115593 That's with portage-2.0.53, right? Zac Yes, that's it. From the bug, it seems the problems are in the ebuilds. However, the updated portage's solution is to remove them from the world file. Thus a loop gets created - emaint --fix world removes the packages) regenworld adds the packages back in. emerge -uDNav world generatea the error - Problems have been detected with your world file Please run emaint --check world While there are problems, though I'm not sure what exactly they are, the new portage notes them. Then puts itself in a, slow, loop with some hope someone else knows how to fix the problems. The problem portage thinks that exists seems to be with some allowed keywords and masked packages, not as it reports - no ebuilds available. Though, it could be technically argued that using x86, ~x86, and -* in /usr/etc/portage.keywords, on my system is incorrect. It is somewhat misleading to say - no ebuilds available, implying that no ebuilds with the arch keyword of the running system is available. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: ebuild for dev-java/sun-j2sdk?
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:48:25 +0100 Peper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While writing this i thought about smth: cannot displaying licenses be implemented in emerge? If you want to progress(fetch the file) you must accept displayed license. Maybe sun will be happy with that... Licenses are displayed for those that have CDs - like UT2004. The license comes up during the install and must be accepted or not (and the install exits). But Sun requires a person to accept the license before the download can occur. Click on the SDK and it takes you to a separate page with a long legal license with an accept or decline. Then it triggers the download. Sun's website handles all that, not the target system. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] world problems
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 14:08:04 -0500 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not talking about wars all over the place. I'm doing my monthly update on my emergency backup machine. Here's what I've run into. Has pmidi been deprecated? Don't think so. And don't run - emaint -f world. It'll remove it and any updates won't occur. Here's my list of what it want to take out of the world file - 'app-emulation/crossover-office-bin' has no ebuilds available 'games-fps/unreal-tournament-bonuspacks' has no ebuilds available 'media-libs/epeg' has no ebuilds available 'media-fonts/acroread-asianfonts' has no ebuilds available 'sci-astronomy/setiathome' has no ebuilds available 'media-tv/xawdecode' has no ebuilds available 'games-fps/unreal-tournament-goty' has no ebuilds available I suspect a bug, but haven't gotten to the bug list to see if it's been filed or not. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] (Newbie)Emerge Problem
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 19:49:49 +0530 Sumeet Pal Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am having problems with emerge working during installation. I have Pentium4 with HT PC, and tried to install gentoo-2005 twice, eveything was fine ,hardware was easily detected, but network did not work well with proxies. I did $export http_proxy=http://spsingh:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:3128 but links2, emerge do not work. You'll need quotes - export http_proxy=http://spsingh:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:3128 Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cms
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 07:39:07 -0600 Qv6 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks: I am looking for a really good Content Management System that is feature-rich and easy to install. Webgui seems good, but the install is tedious. Pmwiki works well. Allows creations of groups (farms), is easy to set up and manage. Upgrades are straight forward and there is a good User community on the mailing list. http://pmwiki.org/ Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ERROR: sys-apps/ivman-0.5_pre2 failed.
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:17:07 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was doing a emerge -e world to make sure everything was in order after the gcc upgrade and poking KDE 3.5 into the mix as well. I only have 92 packages left. OK, any ideas on what went south? I added ivman to the package.keywords and did a emerge --resume but it wanted to emerge the same version. I guess it didn't reread the file when it restarted. If I emerge it manually I loose my --resume option. :( No ideas, but why not just do - emerge --resume --skipfirst and come back to lvman after all that is done? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Total system hangs, flightgear, nvidia drivers
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 18:43:45 -0500 fire-eyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hell, I am running into some very irritating problems when trying to use newer nvidia drivers. The newer Nvidia drivers have a tighter spec on speeds. They also now need mode lines for, as I recall, resolutions above 1280x1024. Also, as your monitor is one of those that has a flakey EDID (from reading your log), any edid setting will get ignored. The drivers do work, in most cases[1]. I'm running at 1920x1200 on 8174-r1. But that is with a mode line. I still get occasional system hangs on my 2P amd64 system while playing ut2004. But I think that may have to do with threads and audio. Bob [1] An SGI FP1600SW with an Nvidia 6xxx card at 1600x1024 is a case where none of the drivers work, even with mode lines. - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] error building pdflib during gcc-3.4 upgrade
On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 18:10:02 -0500 John Blinka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm in the emerge -e world step of the gcc-3.4 upgrade as documented on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/x86/gcc-upgrading-guide.xml. Unfortunately, after compiling for a day or two, the upgrade has terminated during the rebuild of pdflib. The following error messages occur in the log: emerge --resume --skipfirst etc-update/dispatch-conf reboot emerge pdflib Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video capture card recommendations
On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:50:24 + (UTC) James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you receiving and correctly displaying HDTV broadcast over the air with these cards? If so, Which one do you like better for HDTV reception? We're moving to all HDTV broadcast in my area of Florida in early 2006... No, I'm not doing any off-the-air. Just S-VHS in. Also, the Hauppauge card is Std Def only, or more exactly - MPEG2. Over the air broadcast, and most cable and sat. broadcasts are not of interest to me - the content tends to suck. Do you have a wireless (infrared) remote controller working with either card, for channel surfing HDTV? I played with the remote that came with the Hauppauge, but never got it working. As I'm close to the screen, the remote doesn't really do more than get lost. So as lirc has improved, I never made much effort. Any Recommendations on a remote controller with this sort of setup? I've read that Ati's remote works well. But mostly it seems that how much effort you're willing to put into the details is the main issue on remotes. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Succinct compilation of system info...
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:36:38 -0600 Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mentioned possibly obscure system inventory scripts in perl. So apparently you already know it can be a time consuming undertaking to dig one up with google, test it, etc etc. Do you know of one off the top of your head? Hopefully not too obscure. Sorry. The last one I worked with was - - dependant upon some obscure layer on top of perl, no longer maintained. - used tricks to avoid typing clean code. - written by people no longer around when I tried to make it work. - broken by updates to both the system, perl, various CPAN modules and relied on the web server being Netscape Enterprise. - Dedicated to IRIX systems. I could really rant about this, but I'll just let it go. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Video capture card recommendations
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:32:11 -0500 Budd, Tracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just need a bare-bones card to make backups of my VCR tapes and DVDs. Not even interested in a TV-tuner though I guess they all include that. Gentoo support is a must. I have both a PVR-350 Hauppauge and an HD-3000 from pcHDTV. Of the two, I find the HD-3000 easier to use, and less expensive than the PVR-350. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Succinct compilation of system info...
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:31:28 -0600 Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want straight command line so redirect is possible, but a thorough summary. Not just hdw or pci or usb. I want that but also what filesystems, df -h cat /etc/fstab which users, cat /etc/passwd cat /etc/group all installed software. emerge -evt world How much data on which partitions, du -hSx / du -hSx /home ...for each partition of interest. Probably need to do some sorting and summaries with grep, sed, and awk. all devices broken down into their uses such as ethernet, disk controller etc etc. lshw -or- lshw -short lshw -businfo lshw -html etc. In general a full scope summary. It seems this would have been invented long ago, for the treasure trove it would supply to developers. It was never hidden and has always been available. The commands, excepting lshw, have been available since the 1970s. And lots of system inventory scripts are in existance. Many written obscurely in Perl and other languages. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dinosaur Matrox Mystique: corruption
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:56:18 +1000 Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you recommend to go about trying vesa. That may be what Ubuntu is doing. Turn on vesa framebuffer? Yes. Under - Device Driver -- Graphics support -- Select VESA VGA graphics support The further down in the Gfx support section -- Console Display Driver Support -- * VGA text console * Video mode selection support * Framebuffer Console support I backed down to 1024xsomething: vertical lines were scalloped/wavy. Someone mentioned this would be a timing issue, but I don't know what I'd do to microadjust timing? xvidtune? I'll try it. Yes, xvidtune. Also, it mught be useful to download the mga.o from Matrox and follow the instructions to replace the one in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules (if I recall the path correctly). Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dinosaur Matrox Mystique: corruption
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:11:58 +1000 Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did download this driver, and when I installed, a message was generated that the version was wrong. Maybe I'll try again, and just install it anyway. I wonder if the HAL use flag needs to be set to use the driver? It's a new USE flag this year and may cause a re-compile of Xorg if an emerge -uDNav world is done after setting it. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Dinosaur Matrox Mystique: corruption
On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:50:14 +1000 Alan E. Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gather that there was a bug in the mga drivers some time ago, and it appears that the xorg drivers have incorporated the patches I have seen during my google searches. I had one running on Gentoo last year, before the motherboard on an 800 MHz Athlon Slot-A died. X ran fine. I do wonder what to do about framebuffers, though. Tiring of the battle, after many years of avoiding framebuffers, Have you tried just using - vesa? Or vga? It should work. Turning on everything is always a sure way to break a kernel. Description: when scrolling the buffer, some lines are doubled, some are lost, and using Firefox at least, when I type Ctrl-L, the frame displays properly until it is scrolled again. I have found descriptions of similar issues on the Inet, but nothing that has helped get my system to work properly. Does this symptom ring a bell with anyone? Generally, it's because the gfx card can't refresh from it's internal memory fast enough. As I recall, the Mystique had an optional memory module, which I have on mine. Perhaps its just that your trying to use too high a resolution and hitting the cards performance limits? With due respect, save up your pennies and get a current Gfx card. Should be around US$42. Sure, that's a months wages in some parts of the world. But still - throwing a massively powerful processor in a system with a dead-end Gfx card is kind of wasteful, unless you're making this thing into a server. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] recommendatoin for a new server
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:31:10 +0600 El Nino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm looking for sata raid,amd opteron around 1GB ram. I wouldn't worry about whether it's parallel or sata raid. If you need high i/o it needs to be SCSI. Otherwise either IDE or SATA works fine with little difference in performance between the two. Also, IDE/SATA drives will need to be replaced at a higher rate than SCSI drives. Just a fact of life. has anyone built a server recently that worked? 1) can anyone give me a suggestions for a good(cost-effective) server(good with gentoo). I've been using a Penguin computing 1U for almost 2 years now. And I run a home built dual Opteron - Tyan Thunder motherboard. Stay away from MSI and ASUS if reliability is a major concern. So far the only real problem has been one Opteron having a flakey memory controller. Only fails on specific things - emerging nvidia-glx/kernel. Replacing both cpus next week. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia driver problem
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:06:12 +0200 sempsteen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've installed the nvidia drivers by the walkthrough of Gentoo Linux nVidia Guide. Emerge installed nvidia-glx v1.0.6629-r6 and nvidia-kernel v1.0.6629-r4 with no problems and i did the necessary changes in the xorg.conf file. Then i tested my card with glxinfo | grep direct and glxgears and i got errors: Well, your /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks fine, but the log shows that the glx module was not loaded. Did you reboot after the emerge? I suggest trying the following logged in as root - mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.2D cd $home /etc/init.d/xdm stop From the console - X -confgure vi/nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf - Change - /dev/mouse to /dev/misc/psaux (or whatever your favorite is) - Comment out load dri Then do (X will tell you what the proper command line is at the end of configure) - X -file /root/xorg.conf.new If X comes up, exit out, cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg/conf /etc/init.d/xdm start You may need to change or add a mode line to get the resolution you want and add a - DefaultDepth 24 to - Section Screen But it should load glx with no problem. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] What is recommended behavior for complete updating of an old system ?
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:46:41 +0100 Jimmy Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Primary: What is a recommended way to update an old system to minimize the amount of broken ebuilds? Is emerge --emptytree world a good idea? Is it better than a clean install? Or is the documentation's way good enough even for a very old system: emerge --update --deep --newuse world emerge --depclean revdep-rebuild For an old machine that takes a long time to compile, or an embedded system - emerge sync once per week and let it run over the weekend doing updates. About once per year - - emerge sync - ufed and check out the USE flags. Some changes occur and they need a bit of cleaning. - emerge -eav system (no need to d world.) - emerge -uDNav world - python-updater - perl-cleaner all - revdep-rebuild I have an unexplainable fobia against --depclean though. Then don't. All you care about is the programs you currently use, those others just sit there taking some space. If you're not obsessive about a little disk space, why wipe them off the disk? And updating everything at once seems a bit reckless, I mean with the age of the system it would update almost everything. The package list was a mile long, and you never know what will break. That's why you should keep on a regular update schedule. A lot of programs get fixed, USE flags change, dependencies change, configuration options get updated. Secondary: How often should one update the system to minimize hassles with broken packages? Me? I do most of my working systems daily - takes about 10 minutes for all 4 systems. Home systems - daily or weekly. Laptop monthly. Better to see a small problem show up than wait for it to be buried in a lot of updates and then have to find out which of 10 or 20 packages caused the issue. Too often, and the hassle of constant upgrading can get tedious even if it works ok, and too late, and some odd dysfunctional version combinations start showing up that the packages were not really tested for, leading to broken ebuilds. Have you run other distributions where you get the massive binary updates 3 times per year? Have you had to fun of doing minor package updates in between the massive updates and then find that the massive update leaves your system completely borked because of conflicts with the minor updates? And I mean you don't see these until the system tries to reboot, and then it sometimes won't do that. I did like this: I didn't want to run a clean install or an --emptytree thingie. I wanted to take it a few steps at a time, so that if something broke I might have an idea about what new packages it was that broke it. 1) take a backup of the system. I have some modifications in /etc/init.d scripts and some extra non-gentoo stuff for clustering installed that I didn't want to risk, and I was pretty sure something would bork and leave me clueless. lol 2) emerge sync. Nice, worked. emerge *only the most important stuff* (oh, I'm really chicken btw): portage, baselayout, etc. That brought in some dependencies, but it worked out all right after a while and a lot of figuring out the /etc/init.d and config file changes that has happened for the last 1.5 years. And some other changes as to where certain configs go, and how, and so on. But most was easily searchable in docs or forums.gentoo or on this list. Reboot here to see if it even booted any more... YEEAAAH! 3) emerge basic user packages like gcc, glibc, xorg (yes I was still on xfree) kernel, etc. note: I have to stay on 2.4 because I use openmosix for the clustering, and I don't yet trust 2.6om. For this I started using --update --deep since I did want an updated system, but not all at once. This still worked out all right, with just some minor headaches of broken ebuilds. And some config files again. hrmmpf kernel change means reboot. darned. 4) emerge --update --deep desktop stuff like KDE, openoffice, browsers, etc... This started generating Lots of broken packages. I have spent many hours looking through the _VERY_NICE_ bugs.gentoo.org. I still get bitten by bugs that are filed fixed in mid 2003. lol So here's something to chew on - you are running a cluster with a boat load of desktop apps. And desktop apps have tons of libs that are needed. Plus the desktop and their apps change a lot - there is a lot of churn in desktop apps. They are going to break more often. Waiting will just make the breakage worse and cause all the compiles to occur at one time, instead of being spread out. Some more config file updates, and restarting all significant services to use the new software. 5) Now, muahaha, emerge --update --deep world. Aiaiai. Another batch of broken packages,
Re: [gentoo-user] 14TB filesystem problems...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:19:26 -0800 (PST) Bryan Whitehead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if I use a non-traditional partition... then I should be good? Use parted/gparted and select EFI GUID Partition support in your kernel config, under Files types -- Partition types. Make the partition an EFI partition - to beware, fdisk/cfdisk will complain about disks that have had parted used to create a partition. These are known bugs that, to my knowledge, haven't been fixed. Though ,as Richard stated, LVM will take care of this as well. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild is giving me fits
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:29:14 -0600 Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As you can see I have a few broken thingys. It says I need to re-emerge apache and I have never used apache in my life. What the heck does it need that for? This is my desktop rig not some fancy server. Perhaps you have an apache(2) USE flag in /etc/make.conf? Should I just do a emerge -ev world and be done with it or does someone have a better solution to this thing? Before you do that, get rid of /root/.revdep* Run - python-updater Then - perl-cleaner all Then - emerge -uDNav world Then - revdep-rebuild -p Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 05:40:28 + Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you guys suggest in terms of specs for a server, serving say 50 odd thin clients? Probably 2P Opteron with 2 GB to 8 GB main memory. Cpus around 2 GHz. You'll have to calculate the memory needs of each client plus the server's running overhead, and get enough memory to avoid swapping. And most Opteron motherboards come with dual GigE ports, so it's possible to split the clients across the GigE channels. Of course you could go with a 4P Opteron motherboard and only populate the first 2 cpus. Then if the load demands, add cpus and memory. The real downside to this approach is it's really expensive. It might be cheaper to buy two separate 2P servers and split the clients that way if need be, plus it gives a redundant system in case one dies. Why not 4P with dual cores? While they work, the need is i/o and memory bandwidth. 4 sockets does that while 2 sockets and 2 dual-cores cores is only half the bandwidth. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:55:24 +0200 Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of the big problems with Linux diskless is it really doesn't scale well, it doesn't allow for clients to run multiple versions of the os, Why would you want to do that? Ah! Not everyone would. But there are some who run realtime flight simulators where the main Gfx system use 3 to 7 Gfx pipes to provide a 180 degree to 270 degree view, puling in 1 TB or so of texture data during the sim. This Gfx system has the problem of needing proprietary drivers for both the SAN and the Gfx cards, so it's selection of OS may be limited to a certain range, while the PCs that drive the instruments don't need access to the SAN, and the 32P realtime server that runs the ssimulation and controls the simulator reacts to the pilots inputs, weather setup, etc., also doesn't need data from the san, but has needs as to what's the best kernel to run for realtime simulation vs. realtime Gfx. And all this is booted off a 2P diskless server where the limits of what's seen by pilots and perhaps maintainence crew is determined by whether they are running commerical, military, or private aircraft that day. The diskless server could be any 64-bit capable 2P unit, wile the Gfx system would be a multi-pipe ia64 system, the 32P realtime system could be an ia64 or an x86-64 system and the PCs would be standard x86, probably running WinXX and Linux. A typical LTSP server doesn't export /usr at all. There is no need for it. The client runs a kernel and an X server. If you want local devices to work, it also needs to run some other small daemons. All *applications* run on the server. And this is a critical difference between LTSP - thin client serving, vs. a full diskless client where the applications run on the client. Sometimes one works fine (LTSP) for the needs. But other needs requires a different approach. My experiences with LTSP so far show: With a server like mentioned at the begin and fast ethernet, up to 20 clients are working well if you don't allow too graphics-intensive apps like movie players or that type of games. For more clients (up to 40), you need more ram on the server and a Gb connection between the server and the switch (clients can remain on 100Mb ethernet, of course). A typical setup I run for testing has a 2P 600 MHz MIPS system with 512MB ram as the server, serving 6 1P and 2P Gfx system, with the Gfx systems running 6 different OpenGL apps, along with floating point work, local disk DMA and Xwindow DMA on all the clients. One customer of ours runs 11 CAD systems off a single 2P diskless server. For small businesses, I prefer a different solution that involved solid state clients that boot from non-volatile ram. In that case, the client is completely independent of the server. All they talk to each other is X. Yep, a great solution! Cheers from the beginning southern African summer it's getting cold up here. Shorter days and silly time changes. Cheers, Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Weird pauses making me nuts
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:31:33 +0100 Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What else could I do alongside it, other than running an emerge or something? You could switch to a non-proprietary gfx driver, and try that, though it might not work with the ATI card you have. Try emerging app-benchmarks/stress and running that. That runs everything but X. And it tunable to see what's taking resources. The other thing to try is stoppping everything, with X still running and starting up one of the rss-glx screensavers. It it runs with no issue, start a second instance or a second one, then another - as many as the system will handle until it starts showing the problem. Have top running in a term to see if you can find out what taking all the resources. Last time it happened to me, it was Xorg itself causing the issue. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:45:22 +0100 Ryan Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering what the difference is between using LTSP and Diskless Nodes is for creating a thin client network. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml#doc_chap3 What would be the advantage of using LTSP. From what I have read (bearing in mind it is 3:41am [image: :(] ) the seem to offer the same thing. Bear in mind this reply is from someone that has only done very, very, minor fooling with LTSP, but has run a lot of diskless nodes - using IRIX. LTSP is pretty much limited to x86. It's also pretty well pre-defined, and pre-compiled. The nice thing is the infrastructure is setup, which limits the amount of initial work that needs to be done. The downside is if you want clients other than x86, it tends to get in the way. The diskless howto, is pretty basic, and doesn't expand on more than what is needed to, essentially, bootup the equivlant of a LiveCD. Neither gives you the a client that is a full system booted off a diskless server. Things missing, include - package management for the clients. Full, filesystem support, though LTSP is a bit easier to set up local swap and /tmp. If you have limited needs - where the clients are pretty much static, I'd suggest the following from ease of implementation and support - easiest to more work - - Puppy Linux on a USB stick - Gentoo LiveCD booted from a Catalyst created CD/USB/etc. - LTSP - Gentoo Diskless Howto - Gentoo Diskless cluster For a more robust set of clients, where updates are easy and package management is in effect, the following needs to be created - - a share tree where all clients use the same libs, read only (assumes the same arch). Typically, this includes - /usr /bin /sbin /lib. - a client tree and swap tree for each client - read/write. Usually includes - /var, /etc. /home, /opt, /root. It also includes links to the share tree - /usr /include /lib. - a set of scripts to manage all this in a sane manner on the server. - Package management becomes an issue, thus lots of work would be needed. Typically, it's easier (less thinking, script creation) to provide clients with pre-compiled binaries and do package management in the background on the server, allowing clients read only access to see what is installed. All-in-all, the easiest to implement is a RAM based distribution - Puppy Linux on a local r/w device - USB stick, CF, SD, CD-r/w, DVD-ram, which can be booted from a diskless server, then runs a a standalone unit. It's easy to control what configuration and what aux packages are available - easy to get additional packages. The server can be a development/build system for the clients. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] LTSP vs. Diskless Nodes
Since I'm rambling now, guess I should do the rest of the memory download... One of the big problems with Linux diskless is it really doesn't scale well, it doesn't allow for clients to run multiple versions of the os, nor for different arch types to co-exist off one server of a different arch type. Additionally, a typical diskless setup exports /usr as a read only file system (which by most definitions, it is supposed to be). Lots of developers ignore this and never think about writing a small file into some /usr/... path during normal operation. Linux is usually much better at leaving /usr read only. But there is an argument that /usr/portage should be /var/portage. But */portage is pretty easy to move, so it's not a big deal. See - http://www.kurobox.com/online/tiki-index.php?page=InstallGentooBeta1 Under the heading - Configuring Portage Another not so well thought out diskless problem with Linux is all the setups use one kernel under /tftpboot or, at least the Gentoo Diskless guide uses /diskless, which makes it a bit movable, but then falls into showing the path as - /diskless/xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (an IP number) instead of using the node name. The other problem, is they all assume only one kernel vs. a kernel for each host. For a good idea of how a robust diskless setup should be done, please see - http://techpubs.sgi.com/library/tpl/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?coll=0650db=bkssrch=fname=/SGI_Admin/Diskless_AG/sgi_html/pr01.html The SGI IRIX Diaskless Workstation Administration Guide. So here's a general overview of how a robust diskless infrastructure should be done - - The server should be capable of supporting multipe arch types, even OS types, as long as the NFS' are compatible. - The diskless trees should be capable of being moved to other drives or even servers. - Clients should be known by host name, not IP. The server's /etc/hosts, /etc/resolv.conf should define all that's needed for a client to operate, thus can simply be copied, intact, to each client's /diskless/client-name/etc. - Common files across clients, should reside in common share trees, which are exported read only. - Clients should be capable of operating as full systems, minus having a local disk. - A set of wrapper scripts is needed to allow for package management of share trees and client trees. - Client system management, excluding package management, should be done on the diskless client. - DCHP providing is reserved to the diskless server. Nothing says it can't also provide general DHCP support for other systems beyond the diskless clients. - Diskless nodes should be capable of having attached storage, even shared mounts from NAS and SAN systems. - In a production or a secure environment, diskless should be robust enough to allow changing it on a daily basis - swapping drives out to meet changing needs of visiting clients while still giving access to shared storage. (Linux is not robust in this aspect.) fwiw, here are the weekly diskless things I and my piers do with diskless - Regularly run a 16P O3K booted diskless off a 2P O350 server under IRIX, along with other nodes - some O2s running under a different share tree, and a Voyager system (two pipe Gfx visualization system) booted across multiple sub-nets. Do a weeky update of IRIX on 3 diskless servers and run long term testing - 110hrs, max load on 11 clients of mixed arch types. btw - these servers are all on the same sub-net. Do daily booting and installs via a diakless boot of new Linux kernels on ia64 systems via a fileserver running Gentoo. The systems install kernels and other Linux updates via diskless network boots, then reboot up as regular systems and run automated system testing. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] laptop
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a gross first pass, my impression is that ThinkPads and Dells seem to do well with Linux. Do your collective experiences confirm or deny this? Works fine on IBM X31 and T42. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] burning compressed iso
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:37:27 +0100 (BST) damian bamforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to burn an iso image with a .bz2 extension (the full file name is livecd64-ahorn5.iso.bz2). I only have windows xp. Download Puppy Linux, burn a cd, boot it up. You also have the option of installing it as a file on your WinXP disk and dual booting. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] i386 vs amd64
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:07:47 -0400 Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have several Loki game titles around, are they able to run on amd64 gentoo? Some do, with a bit of finding out when to wave the chicken. Unreal Tournament installs and runs without problem, once it's unmasked. Others I've run under amd64 - I've had Railroad Tycoon2 running. Half Life running under Crossover Office. The Sims, Linux Edition runs, until asking for help, then it crashes. Have never, ever, gotten Tropico running under Cedegra, on either x86 nor x86_64. (And being a dictator is a critical need!) Non-game - Both Comicworks and True-Basic Gold run under Cedegra. Or used to, I haven't messed with them in awhile. So I am asking some Gentoo amd64 users, are you happy with the version or would you have gained more with i386? I've been running amd64 for over a year now. About the only real problem I've stumbled on has been some PVR issues, one with Abiword where it print. But those are being worked on, with the PVR issue resolved. Pulling video from DV tapes via ieee1394 works well. As does using a D-Link USB FM tuner. Do most applications work on amd64 or are there some important ones missing? Pure-FTPD doesn't work on amd64. I've been unable to get lighttpd running. My complaint at the moment is I have to run my monitor at 1280x1024 if I want 3D acceleration. But that's Gfx card/driver interaction that'll get sorted out eventually. Normally. I should be running at 1600x1024. At work, I've been running a 23 flat panel at 1920x1200 with 3D acceleration on an amd64 system, though I have problems with ut2004 on that system, while UT runs great. (Both systems use an nVidia 660GT.) Bob -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] udev and nvidia
On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 8:57:59 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a new system I built I had to recreate the /dev/nv* items. The problem is udev is not creating the device nodes like it should. Neither 0.68, nor 0.70. Why? Don't know. I took NVmakedevices.sh from an older nvidia-kernel (downgraded as part of my troubleshooting the issue), saved it in /root, upgraded - 1.0.7676 removes it and doesn't have it in the ebuild, and added to /etc/conf.d/local.start. Bob -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] top - 99.9% wa? What's 'wa'?
On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:59:55 -0700 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm looking at this mythbackend server machine using top. Sometimes the CPU usage goes to essentially 100%, but only in the 'wa' section. What is 'wa'? I searched through the man page but didn't see anything about this. It's described in the vmstat man page. You're supposed to be clairvoyant about these things and know that virtual memory stats is where cpu time is described. :) It's Time spent waiting for IO. The cpu can't do anything until IO is completed - typically this is some kind of DMA transfer. I'm suspecting that this machine has stopped being able to keep up with MythTV due to something using up CPU time. I found that one of my wife's screensavers (Fireworks) was using 70-90% CPU so I've turned that off and things seem much better. Now when watching top I never see anything using more than a few %, but this 'wa' thing persists. Nope, it's just slow doing IO - bottleneck in either disk to memory, video to memory, or memory to network. top - 14:51:47 up 4:19, 3 users, load average: 1.75, 1.88, 1.58 Tasks: 91 total, 2 running, 88 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 0.3% us, 0.3% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 97.7% wa, 0.0% hi, 1.7% si Mem:499052k total, 493560k used, 5492k free, 3140k buffers Swap: 1052216k total, 368k used, 1051848k free, 342352k cached Looks like it might help a bit to increase the systems main memory to 1 GB. It'll eliminate the swapping and will increase the available in-memory filesystem buffering. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: disappearing hdc
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:01:41 +0200 capsel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the problem is : When RC_DEVICE_TARBALL=no there is no lp0 and sometimes hdc, it doesn't depend on cd/dvd disc inside my dvd, or on if my printer is set to on/off On a properly operating system, /dev/lp0 will be created if the printer is on at boot - parallel port or usb, or when the printer is turned on - usb. Parallel port will not always create a printer if it's turned on after the system. Not seeing the CDrom/DVD drive every boot indicates some faulty hardware - bad cable, bad connector, dieing southbridge. Given that the printer is also a southbridge device, I'd suggest having recent backups of your hard drive and be prepared for hardware replacement. I haven't ever touched any udev rules and my system (gentoo) worked for more than year (till about two days ago). It is not new or exotic hardware, and I think this is not fault of hardware at all. So AFAIK the error does not depend on RC_DEVICE_TARBALL, hardware, kernel (gentoo-sources, vanilla-sources)... It's sounding like hardware to me. It would benefit you to check dmesg on every boot to see what is discovered during boot up. If the hardware isn't discovered, then udev won't create a node for it. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] ati-drivers: bad md5 sum
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:46:33 -0400 Michael Crute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/14/05, Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'd really like -- a 6600-- is right out). If you're gonna spend that much money go all the way for a 6800 its well worth the cash. Maybe not. It you want anything like TV out and HD content, then get the 6600 or 6200, or skip the whole 6, and get a 7 series. If it's just for games, no big deal, though the 7 series takes less power and generates less heat while being much faster. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:27:08 -0400 - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the first time I heard of intel compilers and I am using dual 3.2GHz irwindales with 1 mb cache each and 2 GB of ram. Is there any advantage to using these compilers over GCC? What performance gain can I expect? It depends. Straight compiles with no-optimization has shown them to be faster in some case and slower in others. If you have a specific application set that you can actually hand code a few things, the Intel compilers will take advantage of most of the features, gcc doesn't optimize. Some folks have gone with the Intel compilers for the entire system, but I've not heard of any reported results from their efforts. You can go over the SpecOrg and look at the results of the INT/FP results. All the Intel results are with the Intel compilers. Look at the test make up - which programs they used for testing, and see if it matches your workload. Then run the same thing on your currect system to see if it comes close or wildly different. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] hardware advice for dual-processor set-up on gentoo
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:47:11 -0500 Denis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the other advantage is that a good dual Xeon system with 4GB RAM will run me around $3000, whereas a dual Opteron (with dual core) system with 4GB RAM will run me more like $4300. If the Opterons are currently at their memory bandwidth limit, I will have spent the $4300 for nothing, especially since I need the fastest memory integration I can get for my codes. Would I be better buying a dual Xeon system if I needed to buy right now instead of waiting for the bandwidth issue to be resolved? Careful with the dual Xeon - Intel has numerous chipsets. Some better than the other. Unless you spend hours studying the difference, you may end with much older tech for your money. Also, you might be better off now with a 2P Opteron, single core, than an Intel setup. It's less expensive. And, as you're crunching a lot of numbers, the Opteron's faster throughput in the FPU may offset and bandwidth limitation. Only you can tell if your app is more cpu/fpu bound or more memory bound. You might want to emerge - app-admin/sysstat, and characterize your app's system usage and use that to decide which arch features are important to you. Another thing to consider - Intel shares the memory/FSB. Each Opteron has access to a full 6.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, as long as the data set remains with that cpu. Should the data set or data have to come from a non-local memory bank, there will be a delay. So even with a slower memory bus, the Opteron could be faster overall. It depends on what resources your app uses. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cpu flags / USE flags / compiler flags
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:59:10 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In either case, I wouldn't want to extrapolate Xeon Irwindale results to all Intel X86 chips, let alone AMD. /usr/portage/app-benchmarks has several items in it. Does anybody know which ones have floating-point tests? There are many floating-point tests. You choose by what you want to prove. And an example - [MN] sys-cluster/hpl (1.0-r2): HPL - A Portable Implementation of the High-Performance Linpack Benchmark for Distributed-Memory Computers Linpack is pretty standard but only compare linpack results to linpack results. AIM5 and AIM7 a different set. SpecFP, yet a different set. Floating point tests are meaningless outside of themselves. If your apps happens to run the same type of setup as a specific floating point test, then there is meaning. If you app has a lot of other things going on, no floating point test is going be give you an idea of how the app is going to perform. Tinfoil-hat-theory... have you noticed that Microsoft just loves to use Xeons, especially dual-Xeons, in their get the facts propaganda? I wonder if they've found a problem with gcc's optimizations for Xeon, and are exploiting that problem to bias all their comparisons. No. nothing as creative as that. It's well known that Intel's C/C++ compiler is better at some things than others. Microsoft, probably, just happens to use Intel's compiler for WinXX while forgetting to use it in place of gcc. If you want to prove that Opterons are faster than Xeons, you'll buy a copy of the PathScale compiler for the Opterons and use Intel's compiler for the Xeons. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:46:02 -0400 Paul Hoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob, I found your email really informative and I have a question regarding one of your final comments. To paraphrase, you state that doing things the hard way will make employees more knowledgeable, more so than any certification will. So, my question is this: is it worthwhile to obtain certification? And, if so, which would be a better choice in your opinion: Red Hat certification or say, for instance, certification from the Linux Professional Institute? The certification tests do require real knowledge - mainly on setting up things like mail, ftp, drive arrays, etc - lots of after the install items. certainly all requiring skill and knowledge. Red Hat focuses on Red Hat, though many items are transferable for the motivated individual. LPI certification is broader, and, some say, the harder test of the two. Are they worth it? Depends upon the job market. The knowledge required to pass the tests is certainly a large part of managing any Linux system. But if your starting with a blank hard drive, then neither will get you past any problems that may occur during the install or with the package manager. Btw, I'm not sure if I have hijacked the thread. If so, please feel free to edit the subject line. Hijack a hijacked thread that was originally an OT about window managers? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] cpu flags / USE flags / compiler flags
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:35:10 -0700 Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob, I don't think this was ever the point. The question was: For this specific machine what would be the best flags? You;ll hate this - it depends on what your main apps do. Are they i/o intensive, compute intensive - more integer, specific FP instruction set? Small enough to fit into L2 cache, do lots of branching, multithreaded? I have a specific revision of the AMD64 process. What flags should I use? Possibly some sort of test could compile lots of things, look at numbers, and allow me to make a quantitive decision instead of just shooting in the dark. If you don't have a contained set of apps that represent a set of conditions that can be specifically defined, no benchmark is going to give a correct answer. In other words - your running a general purpose desktop, then there is no specific set of flags that will optimize everything. There is a set of AMD optimized strings that is being put into glibc. But it won't be for awhile - it does significant breakage to nano. And maybe to other apps. No specific compiler flags will be required for this optimization to happen - it will double memcopy speed. And that alone will provide a significant increase in performance with just a recompile - more performance than is obtainable by a set of flags. Finally, what is done by the people dropping US$100K to US$1M, they take the app they are going to run an test with that. They don't rely on benchmarks. Figure out what it is that will be your primary app. Find out how to get performance measurements on it - run sar if you have to. Change the compiler flags and re-run. Look for the bottlenecks and work to eliminate them. See - [ N] app-admin/sysstat (5.0.5-r2): System performance tools for Linux Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:56:56 +0100 Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair comment. If you're talking about individual user/admins then the learning curve of installing and administering a different OS (not necessarily more difficult, just different) is a serious obstacle. Based on my experiences, I'll disagree with you Neil. I had a couple of interns working for me last year. One was about to graduate from college and the other was in the middle of getting a Master's degree. Both were comp-sci majors. The Master's degree intern had been running Red Hat or something, but really didn't know Linux. The other intern used WinXX - college was teaching her Java, nothing much more than that. First thing I did was get them set up with systems and hand them a Gentoo minimal CD and url for the installation manual. Told them to ask anything they wanted at any time. Explained to them that they needed to learn Linux, but that RPM based distros wouldn't give them any type of broad knowledge, and wouldn't be any better than learning to install WinXX. They took about a week, with a couple of restarts, had them run fluxbox and Enlightenment before allowing them to run their choice of WM. Eventually, they moved to KDE, which is fine, but they had an X environment and additional knowledge, they could work while KDE was compiling. *Btw - they were also learning how to install and use Irix at the same time.) While they were there, they had no real problems with Gentoo. As part of their task at the time was porting/fixing former Irix tests to run on Linux, it was a lot easier to deal with the issues on Gentoo, then move the the tests to RH and SuSE, where all kinds of things broke. But they were more able to fix the tests because they had a better peek under the hood. While they've left to go to other companies, one of the interns told me that she misses her Gentoo system - she's back in the Java/WinXX world of Corporate computing. For training new technical individuals on Linux, source based distributions with package management systems that stay out of the way, are great tools. Even if the end of the road for many of them is some - keep your distance, GUI installer based, RPM Linux system. For a long time I used to think that starting a new user with a nice RPM based distribution was the right answer. I was wrong. It's the wrong answer. It teaches them nothing they can use in the future. It's painful during upgrades. It binds their hands in the shackles of - you will do things the way we tell you to do them. And letting new users utilize GUI based installers, always ends in - where is the install everything check box? They may migrate to another distribution, and that's fine. But they will be prepared and have knowledge. To use Holly's car analogy - they learned to drive a stick shift, but now want an automatic. No problem. (It's a poor analogy on my part - too simplistic and not fair to Portage.) Also, this isn't just the two interns. With only two exceptions - a Slackware user, and a remote Engineer who prefers to have Corp IS administrate the box, I've moved a lot of technical people to Gentoo. A few have gone to other dists, and a few have returned back to Gentoo - the others are just too painful to administer. But, in all cases, they are more knowledgeable because of having to do things the hard way. And being more knowledgeable make them much more valuable as skilled employees. More so than any certification will. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 10:40:08 +0800 Qiangning Hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Sanders wrote: enlightenment E16. After messing with KDE, Gnome, Openbox, fluxbox, flirting with XCFE and a few others, I came back to Enlightenment. As an XFCE user currently, I'm curious about what make you guys leave XFCE for other lightweight WMs? The feel and I run at 1600x1024 with Eterm as my main term. I like the way the menu system works. I like the ease of setting up my own background - especially without a lot of menu crawling. I like the seperate pager and Windows Overview of E. On a laptop, E makes it real easy to have multiple desktops with apps running, easy to get to. But it does come down to personal preferences. And I've used a lot of window managers. Perhaps more than most -- original microVAX/VMS win, then X (the very firstl), GEM on AtariST, Amiga's WM, NeXt, Sun, BeOS, Win 3.1/95/98/NT/2K/XP, ripped off the wm in Win98 and put Litestep on, used CDE (had to test it, yuk!), 4DWM (Irix, about the only one I've been able to stand the icons on). It's like editors, use enough of them, and they all feel a bit familar, but you end up coming back to one or two for all your daily activity because of the feel. And I'm no longer any good at any editor - used too many in the past, way too many. Email programs as well, I miss RSTS/E email. That was one sweet program. But it too got too safe when they productized it. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec AIC7xxx kernel problems?
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it's just me or is anyone else having problems. I am running 2.6.11-r6 with no problems on a system with an Adaptec 39160 card. I tried to go to 2.6.12-r6 and r9 but kept getting kernel panics on boot. I have another system I'm installing Gentoo on that has an Adaptec 2940uw on and since I was using 2005.0 it had 2.6.12 on it and would not boot. I found that on both systems if I build the aic7xxx as a module I can get further in the boot process. I also tried 2005.1 but that is a disaster on both systems. I tell it to noload=aic7xxx and it loads it anyway which results in system not running. I run a couple of 32-bit systems at work with onboard Adaptec 79xx controllers. Both had earlier 2.6.11 and 2.6.12 kernels and both now have 2.6.12-r9 kernels. No problems on either. One runs a 4 disk software raid 5 setup (local Gentoo mirror). Both boot off the SCSI controller. fwiw- I never use make oldconfig Somewhere in the 2.6.x series I discovered that if I mount /boot, then run make config, it would pick up my running config. Perhaps it was the System.map setting in /boot. Regardless, I just do - make menuconfig make make modules_install make install vim /boot/grub/grub.conf Is it just me G. Sounds like something else in your config isn't set up properly. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge of glibc-2.3.5-r1 fails
On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:19:39 -0400 Lincoln Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I consistently get an ACCESS DENIGHED error will trying to emerge glibc. Does anyone else get this: I haven't seen the problem. A few things to look at may be - - running out of diskspace. - ownership of /build is not root or user running portage. - if user/builder is other than root, then they need to be in the disk group. - a pre-emptive clean of /build/tmp is needed - cd /build/tmp then rm -rf the area. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Copying between hard drives potential newbie question
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 00:05:48 + Stuart Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a record for myself and or others who may ever need this I performed the following steps 1. Beat head on wall for not thinking to buy a UPS. Most UPSs below about US$400 are junk. You'd be served just as well with a decent surge suppressor power strip. Don't waste your money on a UPS. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:28:21 -0500 Matt Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, having said that, what window manager do you use, and why? I wouldn't trade the multitude of options availabe in Linux for anything, but the choices can be overwhelming. enlightenment E16. After messing with KDE, Gnome, Openbox, fluxbox, flirting with XCFE and a few others, I came back to Enlightenment. It's fast, doesn't have the feature I hate most - a taskbar. Which, IMO, is the most worthless piece of trash ever created - wastes window space and provides nothing useful in return. I like sliding from one desktop to the other - clicking on a desktop to move to is rather silly. And I hate having my Xroot hidden by Gnome/KDE with their overlays. I detest most icons - mainly those drive icons and mailbox icons. Simply put if I wanted Windows, with a Start button and a task bar, I'd run Windows. Bob -- - Are you living in the real world? - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Yet another geforce4 problem
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:29:34 +0400 Alexander Kirillov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've recently installed GeForce4 MX440 AGP 8x into my gentoo box and got it working. Bootsplash, opengl and so on.. But one serious problem remains. I have 90% chance to get garbled screen right after system reboot when bios is starting hw checks. The problem goes away after a random number of poweroffs. Is there a way to fix this? If you've upgraded the bios on the motherboard, then trash the motherboard. It's not doing a proper reset to the AGP bus. Other possibility is the chip on the MX440 is on the slow side of things and the reset is too short for it. Generally, the chip will eventually get slower as it ages and the problem will get worse. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] DVB-T
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:25:36 +0200 Luigi Pinna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! I want to buy a DVB-T card Gentoo compatible and I need a S-Video input too. I searched a lot by Internet but I found only few news... (no info about S-Video input or if it works) I don't want to pay much (under 150 ¤), has someone a card like that? I've never seen one. But there are a couple of options - Get a DV cam and use it for S-Video input through firewire (much more than your willing to pay). Get a used SGI Indy off E-bay or other source, put Gentoo MIPS on it. They have the VINO (Video In/Out) card working with a few patches to the kernel. Cost - US$75 to US$300, plus shipping. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:19:43 +0200 Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How would you feel if a company bought lots of too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around wherever you went (in these public places, which would certainly include shops but not the bathroom...)? Without you being conscious of it? Very useful to follow someone around to get their (window)shopping habits, and almost certainly completely illegal. How are these different (apart from legality)? Um...you may not know this, but Holly is in the UK. London in particular has cameras all over the place. From what I've heard, it's not possible to walk in public there without being recorded. In public, there is already a trail of her activities. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] weird 1000baseT problem
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:40:12 +0100 Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am puzzled. First I thought that the Gb NIC on box A is somehow kaput but case 1 surely shows it is performing. What the heck is going on here? I would be deeply indebted to any person on this list that could shed some light on this. Any hint what to investigate would be highly appreciated. Really. This has troubled me for the last three days and I would go as far as ship you a Windhoek Lager. ;-) The long timeout before password is probably DNS not working the port properly. Just a guess. Have you tried - scp, in both directions? And which nfs? V3, V4? I suggest V4, if not. Have you run top and netstat -rn on both boxes to see what they think the routing is? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] multiple kernels in grub
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:15:38 -0400 John Dangler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In /boot, I have both linux-2.6.12-gentoo-r6 and kernel-genkernel-x86-2.6.12-gentoo-r6. In /boot/grub/grub.conf, only the genkernel is listed Just edit /boot/grub/grub.conf. You can read about how in the - Configuring the Bootloader section of the installation manual - http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1chap=10 Just add the 3 lines necessary with the definition of the second kernel. Something like - -- title=Gentoo 2.6.12-r4 root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.12-gentoo-r4 root=/dev/hda3 title=Gentoo 2.6.11-r11 root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11-gentoo-r11 root=/dev/hda3 Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT - How to work with USB DVD-RW/CD-RW drive
On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the output above I noticed the lines: Vendor_info: 'TOSHIBA ' Identifikation : 'CD/DVDW SD-R5372' Revision : 'TU53' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW I happen to know that this is a Pacific Digital DVD-RW/CD-RW drive The name on the case is not always the name of the OEM that made the drive. If it says it's a Toshiba, it is a Toshiba drive in a Pacific Digital enclosure. Back to it actually writing - if there are other items plugged into the USB ports - printers, etc. try disconnecting them or rearranging the ports they are plugged into. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which filesystem for a notebook?
On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 17:33:27 +0800 Ow Mun Heng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too use XFS for my Home Directory. I think I've suffered 1 instance of curruption in the entire 2 years I've had this laptop. (Touch Wood) Perhaps I should mention one of the main reasons I use XFS - the tools. Performance is not a reason. Reliability is a reason. And the tools. xfs_check and xfs_repair are about the best I've seen. No, if your LVM superblock is trashed, they won't fix it. They fix the filesystem, not the disk/partition structure. And xfs_dump/xfs_restore make cloning a partition very easy. Given all the discussion in this list alone about cloning drives, I'm really surprised more people don't adopt XFS just for this issue alone. Disclaimer - yes I work for SGI. No I don't develop, I break software. And I pull plugs on running systems. So any advice I give here on anything related to SGI products should be treated with caution. No, I don't speak for SGI. And yes I really do use XFS on almost all my systems - Trying ext3 on a Kurobox (200 MHz PPC runnng Gentoo) and RiserFS on one of the desktop x86 systems. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla Google behind the scenes payola
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:14:26 -0400 John J. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even IF only one of those allegations are true, I'm disappointed in Mozilla's choices. They were, until a few days ago, non-profit. Google may be the best general purpose search engine out there right now, but IF Mozilla made it the default for cash, I have a problem with that. If Mozilla knows that a Google search deposits cookies from sites never visited, I have a problem with that. So, I checked and it seems that Firefox has Google as the default search engine. But it lets me change that search engine to Yahoo and even add search engines. And it saves my preference. And you're saying that taking money to continue to support development with the return of having Google as the default is bad? Even though the end user can still tailor that default? IF anything in that article is true, and you think that that type of underhandedness (is that a word?) and deception is OK, fine. I don't. What's underhanded about advertising? That's all it is. The end user is not locked in to a specific search engine. Underhanded is locking the search engine choice after taking money, not rotating a specific engine to the top as a pre-configured default. Bob -- - Are you living in the real world? - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] OT - How to work with USB DVD-RW/CD-RW drive
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentoo. I ordered a Pacific Digital USB DVD-RW/CD-RW drive on August 1 and it came in today. I'm not quite sure how to go about using it though. I mainly use xcdroast for writing CDs (I make daily backups and write them to CD once a week.) I use GNOME, and although my new drive shows up in the computer:/// nautilus listing, it is not available to be selected in xcdroast - it's not listed at all. I don't even know where to start looking for the solution to this problem. Can anyone help me? Hmm...in a shell, as the root user, you'll need to determine what cdrecord likes. You may need to try - cdrecord -scanbus cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA cdrecord -scanbud dev=sg Generally, USB attached drives show up as SCSI devices, thus an - ls /dev will return a list with an sdx, where x is a,b,c, etc. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Linux comm program
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:51:55 -0400 Daniel D Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is anyone aware of a decent comm program for Linux? Something along the lines of SecureCRT for Windows? (SecureCRT is a commercial program. There's supposed to be a Linux port in progress but I'd much prefer to use Open Source.) I can't seem to find anything but stuff that was written in the '90s like minicom or programs that have limited capabilities. For example, Komport (KDE's serial comm program) is limited to a 25 x 80 screen, despite the fact that it's a GUI program. I'm looking for a GUI program with a scrollback buffer, scripting, multi protocol support (ssh in all its various flavors, serial port, telnet, rlogin), session logging, etc. This is the kind of technical itch that I would think lots of programmers would scratch, but I haven't been able to find anything close. No gui program I know of. But Ruby will allow you to do all that. As it supports the tk widget library, among other interfaces, the gui is fairly straight forward. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] eterm issue
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:01:09 +0200 Arek Murzyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use udev and Legacy(BSD) with 2.6.12-r6. How to check if I use virtual terminal? How to switch to Unix98 - I can't find this option in menuconfig. It's on the same menu, just above the BSD pseudo terms. The path is - Device Drivers -- Character Devices -- The Virtual terminal option is there as well. Very strange is that root can open eterm without problems, any user (even with additional group 'root') can't. I see some messages in logs about pam authentication. Could it be related to that? Yes. I don't run pam, thus can't help with that one. Pam_login sets up permissions somewhat dynamically upon a user's login. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Which filesystem for a notebook?
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 23:40:36 +0200 Alexander Skwar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello! What filesystem(s) do you recommend for use on a notebook? I'm looking for a FS that's fairly stable even if all of a sudden the power goes away (battery empty) and one, that also doesn't (overly) unneccesarily spin up the hard drive. Any journaling filesystem is going to spin up the drive or keep it spinning. And unless your drive is one of the 7200 rpm drives, it's still not the energy hog that the LCD is. I don't think that I'll use Reiser4, as it's lacking an online fs resizer. At least making the fs bigger should be doable while the FS is mounted. You're asking for Enterprise server features for a laptop? fwiw - I use XFS on my laptop. It survives fine with power going away. But, if all the data is in the buffer and the drive is spun down, having the power die will cause lost data regardless of filesystem. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Regetting Runlevel
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:27:15 -0400 Heath E Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok strange one here , I got home tonight and somehow my ferrets got up on the computer key board got logged in as su and managed to get into my runlevel files and delete them. Not all but a good amount . Also in the process corrupt my modules file as well . Got those back and can reload them after start up but would like to be able to do this from boot. What would be needed to get the things back in runlevel to get at least modules to load? runlevel files in /etc/runlevels/* are just simlinks to files in /etc/init.d/. Just use rc-update to recreate them. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Please confirm my understanding
On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:41:15 -0400 C.Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Now for the question. I need confirmation of my understanding. In the make.conf file when setting up the USE flags, I include anything that I want to have compiled into the programs that I install, correct? If I don't want an option to be compiled in all programs, I prefix that with a - sign. If I want an option for a specific package, I use the package.use file. As Willie and Mark stated, I'll add a - sort of. So, if I don't want to compile gnome, then I use -gnome as one of the keywords. I don't use gnome, never have, never will, but there are gnome applications that I like - gnumeric to name one, plus there are a few gnome games. So, is it my best bet to include -gnome as a keyword in my make.conf USE statement and the add it in the package.use file for those applications that need it? I'm pretty much with you on using gnumeric and not gnome. Same with kworldclock but not kde. And I started out using - -gnome and -kde. But have just stopped the practice. I just use -* at the beginning of my USE flags and select all the things I do want. The problem with -* is it makes everything minimal so you have to spend a lot of time adding in the things you want. To me that's preferable to getting a lot of what I don't want tagging along. Also, it insure that PAM stays off my system. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] SOLVED: permissions problem with kino
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:57:41 +0200 Jean Magnan de Bornier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le 06 août à 07:30:12 Jean Magnan de Bornier [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment: Looking at the two necessary modules for kino: /dev/raw/raw1394 is in group disk, while /dev/dv1394-0 is in group root; (is this a feature of the gentoo installation?) I don't see dv1394 in the udev rules. That doesn't seem to have made it yet. So it's a missing feature. It will need to be either created seperatly as a rule. Something like - 95-firewire.rules in /etc/udev/rules.d I put /dev/dv1394-0 in the disk group as well and now everything seems to be ok, unless there might be some side effect(s)? It should be no problem. Technically, it would go into group - video. There is an example of how to setup a custom device, including the udev rule at - http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Griffin_PowerMate_with_UDEV_and_Kernel_2.6.x Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] permissions problem with kino
On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:29:05 +0200 Jean Magnan de Bornier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I am trying to use kino, but face some permission problems. modules raw1394 an dv1394 are loaded, but when I want to use kino I get the answer that: dv1394 open: Permission non accordée (not granted) giving the +r to /dev/dv1394-0 which has root as owner and group does change nothing; with /dev/raw/raw1394 group is disk; putting my user in this group does nothing better. Not many infos on this permission issue in kino's manual. Have you added your username to /etc/group, disk? Bob -- - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Botched Gentoo Install
On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:02:32 -0400 C.Beamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the fun. After attempting to connect to the xserver, I got my shell prompt back again with the following printed on the screen: New driver is i810 (==)Using default built in configuration (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such device -- I have no idea what this means (EE) GARTinit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (no such file or directory) (EE)I810(0) AGPGART support is not available. Make sure your kernel has agpgart support or that the agpgart kernel module is loaded (EE)Screens found, but non have useable configuration Fatal server error: no screens found i /dev/fb0 is the framebuffer. No need to worry about that if using X. But if running a splash screen, then it needs to be defined in the kernel. There is a how-to on gentoo-wiki.org explaining how to setup the system and kernel. The other, you'll need to re-config your kernel to include - Device Drivers -- I2C Support -- M I2C support * I2C device interface I2C Hardware Bus Support -- M Intel 810/815 And - Device Drivers -- Character Devices -- Intel 440LX/BX/GX, I8xx and E7x05 chipset support The above should get you graphics, or at least closer. I don't have your setup, so I'm doing a best guess on the above. Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Audigy 2 ZS [SB0350] problems on AMD64
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:39:17 +0200 Daniel Vrcic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm aware of the fact that OSS is deprecated and that it will be removed, but in this case I don't like that fact. Why? I have old SB Live! card, based on emu10k1 chip too, and I think that emu10k1 kernel driver gives better sound than ALSA driver. I've noticed that especially with bass lines. I wouldn't doubt that as SB was initially pretty reluctant to work with the open source developers. But that card was a nightmare load on the system - 5 IRQs and 2 DMA channels consumed, as I recall. It has wreaked havoc on many a system. I also like feature of configuring internal routes of emu10k1 chip with emu tools (I can capture TV program and listen music in the same time) and occasional front/rear channel swapping (sound on the rear channel is generated by the I2S codec - better one, while the front one is generated with analog AC97 codec). Any card with hardware mixing is a great thing. Ok, I must admit I haven't played with ALSA too much so my question would be is this possible with ALSA, especially front/rear inverting? Yes, but I've not done more than run a few things at the same time, and none front/rear - I only have a 2.1 system. However, if you use KDE and ARTS, it'll interfere. Linux is not as clean as WinXX nor IRIX in regards to sound. They are getting there. While ALSA with dmix will allow the mixing, you'll need to spend time setting it up. It might be more benefical for you to combine ALSA with JACK - [ I] media-sound/jack-audio-connection-kit (0.99.0-r1): A low-latency audio server But not every application works with JACK. So there are some helpers, but it still doesn't cover everything. If you have esearch just do an - esearch -Sc jack Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] serial console
On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:20:36 -0400 David H. Askew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking around and found a Cisco console cable in a box of old junk. It has, surprise surprise, RJ-45 on one side, and 9-pin serial on the other. Would that work? Maybe, but Cisco is known for having a special pinout. Best bet is to get a build-it-yourself RJ45 to DB9F adaptor - about US$2.90, and the associated pin pusher - cause you'll mess up a few times. you;ll need to figure out which pins are transmit and receive - 2, and 3 on the DB9 side. Also, note that different brands of RJ45 to DB9F connectors have different color codes for the wires. Typically you'll use 5 of the 8 wires, so best to create a map on paper. There is supposed to be the Yost standard, but certain folks do violate it at times - Cisco, Dell, etc. So you need to know the RS232 pinout of your system. Here are some pretty decent resources - http://www.ossmann.com/5-in-1.html http://yost.com/Computers/RJ45-serial/ Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Enlightenment segfaults?
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:10:30 -0400 Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some more observations to my problem: 1. If, after I started X, I leave it overnight in a vc, then nothing bad happens. It looks like firefox is causing the problem or perhaps one of the GTK libs or the GTK engine itself. The error does not appear to be enlightenment, rather enlightenment gets caught in the middle when X is forced to die. Perhaps you need to compile firefox rather then using the bin? Bob - -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
