Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday, 15 October 2023 03:43:00 BST William Kenworthy wrote:
> On 14/10/23 21:28, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday, 14 October 2023 12:26:29 BST I wrote:
> >> Perhaps I should switch to getmail...
> > 
> > On the other hand, I'd prefer to stick with fetchmail for my Zen POP3
> > account, since it's working well. Then I could use getmail to fetch my
> > gmail mail. Would that be safe?
> > 
> > If it works I could move Zen mail to getmail later, at my leisure.
> > (That's the only sort of time I have these days... :( )
> 
> getmail works fine with gmail - just follow their instructions to configure.

I'm sure it does - just not for me. I've followed Google's instructions to the 
letter, but still no joy.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Peter Humphrey]

On Sunday, 15 October 2023 10:45:45 BST Michael wrote:

> The workarounds I have devised are:
> 
> 1. Close Kmail, restart it and keep an eye on the progress bar to confirm it
> has finished synchronizing all folders with remote IMAP servers, before I
> click on anything else.
> 
> 2. If the above does not succeed I close Kmail and run 'akonadictl stop',
> before I restart it.
> 
> 3. If the problem is not resolved, I repeat step 2 above and proceed to run:

Yes, I did allow plenty of time for synchronising -  hours, in fact.

> akonadictl start
> akonadictl fsck (wait for it to finish)
> akonadi vacuum  (wait for it to finish)

I didn't think of that.

> then relaunch Kmail.
> 
> 4. A last resort is to launch akonadiconsole, go to the Browser tab and
> delete any messages there.
> 
> I anyone knows of a better solution, other than trying alternative mail
> clients, please post back.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Michael]

On Saturday, 14 October 2023 12:26:29 BST Peter Humphrey wrote:

> I also tried  setting up a gmail IMAP source in KMail, and that worked so I
> assume the permissions are right at their end. (I removed the account when
> KMail kept resurrecting scores of mails I'd already deleted, even though
> access on my mobile showed an absence of mails.)

A bit O/T, but since you mention it I have observed the same behavior here 
with Kmail.  Different users, different email accounts (inc. Gmail).  At 
times, emails which have been deleted and even emptied from the Bin/Trash 
folder reappear.  Deleted again, only to reappear.  This can carry on for a 
while until the user gets so annoyed as to close Kmail.

I am not sure what causes this, but I suspect Kmail/akonadi does not like 
multiple user inputs in close succession, while it is still synchronising 
previous local changes to the remote IMAP folder(s).  For example, I have 
observed if a number of messages are selected and deleted, then without 
waiting for Kmail progress bar to finish you move to a different folder and 
delete a message, you are most likely to trigger this problem.  The more 
impatient a user is and the more accounts they have configured, the more often 
deleted messages tend to reappear in their Kmail.  A variation of the same 
problem is when new messages are shown in the Folder List, but none appears 
when you select the folder to look at its contents.  Pressing F5 or Update 
This Folder/Subfolders does not help.

The workarounds I have devised are:

1. Close Kmail, restart it and keep an eye on the progress bar to confirm it 
has finished synchronizing all folders with remote IMAP servers, before I 
click on anything else.

2. If the above does not succeed I close Kmail and run 'akonadictl stop', 
before I restart it.

3. If the problem is not resolved, I repeat step 2 above and proceed to run:

akonadictl start
akonadictl fsck (wait for it to finish)
akonadi vacuum  (wait for it to finish)

then relaunch Kmail.

4. A last resort is to launch akonadiconsole, go to the Browser tab and delete 
any messages there.

I anyone knows of a better solution, other than trying alternative mail 
clients, please post back.



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Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[William Kenworthy]

On 14/10/23 21:28, Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Saturday, 14 October 2023 12:26:29 BST I wrote:


Perhaps I should switch to getmail...
On the other hand, I'd prefer to stick with fetchmail for my Zen POP3 
account,

since it's working well. Then I could use getmail to fetch my gmail mail.
Would that be safe?

If it works I could move Zen mail to getmail later, at my leisure. 
(That's the

only sort of time I have these days... :( )


getmail works fine with gmail - just follow their instructions to configure.

getmail itself is a bit flakey - using it with hydroxide as a proton 
bridge it keeps going to sleep(need to restart getmail every hour), and 
on 3 accounts with my ISP I get random crashes with no indication why.  
But with gmail and ventraip.mail its quite stable. On the plus side imap 
getmail IDLE works ... I had problems with fetchmail so moved to getmail.


BillK

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 14:28:53 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> On the other hand, I'd prefer to stick with fetchmail for my Zen POP3
> account, since it's working well. Then I could use getmail to fetch my
> gmail mail. Would that be safe?
> 
> If it works I could move Zen mail to getmail later, at my leisure.
> (That's the only sort of time I have these days... :(  )

Here's my getmail config for Zen

[retriever]
type = SimplePOP3Retriever
server = mailhost.zen.co.uk
username = zen123456
password = yeahyeahyeah

[destination]
type = MDA_external
path = /usr/bin/procmail

[options]
verbose = 0
read_all = false



-- 
Neil Bothwick

You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to
skydive twice.


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Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 14 October 2023 12:26:29 BST I wrote:

> Perhaps I should switch to getmail...

On the other hand, I'd prefer to stick with fetchmail for my Zen POP3 account, 
since it's working well. Then I could use getmail to fetch my gmail mail. 
Would that be safe?

If it works I could move Zen mail to getmail later, at my leisure. (That's the 
only sort of time I have these days... :(  )

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 14 October 2023 08:04:27 BST Neil Bothwick wrote:

> I use this getmail config for GMail. It uses procmail to deliver to
> Docecot, but it should work as a starting point for you.

---<8

Thanks for the help, Neil.

Until now I've been using fetchmail, but I can't find any help in using it, and 
this entry in /etc/fetchmailrc fails with a permission error:

poll pop.gmail.com proto pop3, user ".gmail.com",
with password "", is "prh" here, ssl, dropdelivered, fetchall,
no keep;

I also tried  setting up a gmail IMAP source in KMail, and that worked so I 
assume the permissions are right at their end. (I removed the account when 
KMail kept resurrecting scores of mails I'd already deleted, even though 
access on my mobile showed an absence of mails.)

Perhaps I should switch to getmail...

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 06:02:21 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote:

> On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 09:55:10 BST William Kenworthy wrote:
> > getmail can facilitate getting googlemail into postfix.  In my case,
> > it fetches an mail then invokes sendemail to forward into postfix.
> > The docs for the google side of the equation are quite good.  
> 
> Coming to this after a while, can you point me to the one that helps,
> please? I've had a look round but I haven't found anything helpful.
> Thanks.

I use this getmail config for GMail. It uses procmail to deliver to
Docecot, but it should work as a starting point for you.

[retriever]
type = SimpleIMAPSSLRetriever
server = imap.gmail.com
username = neil.bothw...@gmail.com
password = thisisnotmyrealpassword
mailboxes = ('Inbox',)

[destination]
type = MDA_external
path = /usr/bin/procmail

[options]
verbose = 0
read_all = false
delete = true


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Drink varnish and you'll have a lovely finish.


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Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 09:55:10 BST William Kenworthy wrote:
> getmail can facilitate getting googlemail into postfix.  In my case, it
> fetches an mail then invokes sendemail to forward into postfix.  The
> docs for the google side of the equation are quite good.

Coming to this after a while, can you point me to the one that helps, please? 
I've had a look round but I haven't found anything helpful. Thanks.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[thelma]

On 6/20/23 02:30, Michael wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 06:29:52 BST the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

Trying to send email via Google SMTP and postfix but getting authentication
failed.

white postfix/smtp[32223]: 62E5618008F: to=,
relay=smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109]:587, delay=2390,
delays=2390/0.01/0.29/0, dsn=4.7.8, status=deferred (SASL authentication
failed; server smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109] said: 535-5.7.8 Username and
Password not accepted. Learn more at?535 5.7.8
  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials
n3-20020aa78a4300b00663b712bfbdsm4668932pfa.57 - gsmtp)

relayhost = [smtp.gmail.com]:587
smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem
smtp_use_tls = yes

/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
[smtp.gmail.com]:587usern...@gmail.com:PASSWORD
postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
/etc/init.d/postfix restart

The user and password are correct.


I think I know what the problem is - but I do not use postfix and can't
confirm it on my side:

Since mid 2022 Google requires 2FA to allow login into their server.  Until
then it used to be the case you could select in their security settings to
"Allow Less Secure Apps", generate an application specific password hash using
their GUI and use this in your mail client.  For a year now you won't be able
to do this, unless you first provide a mobile phone number to Google.

If you *must* use Google, they you'll have to login into their Google account
security panel, set 2FA, attempt to connect with your postfix client, create
an application pass code hash for your postfix via their GUI and use that as
your password in your postfix settings.  If you change your IP address, or
your PC/client, or anything else Google are using to fingerprint and profile
your device, then you'll have to login again in their GUI to confirm you are
who you are and your client is a legitimate device owned by you.

They have many relevant help pages to explain all this, so you should search
for specific guidance, or find another email provider with less onerous user
profiling demands.  ;-)

HTH


I setup a Twilio trial account with bash-scrip to send me SMS if the remote IP 
changes (on a cron job every hr.) and it works, but I'm not sure how log
the account will be free.

# Twilio credentials
TWILIO_ACCOUNT_SID="xxx"
TWILIO_AUTH_TOKEN=""
TWILIO_PHONE_NUMBER="+x"
TO_PHONE_NUMBER="+"

# File to store the last known IP address
IP_FILE="/home/user/ip_address.txt"

# Read the last known IP address from the file
OLD_IP=$(cat "$IP_FILE")

# Query the "what is my ip" service to get the current IP address
NEW_IP=$(curl -s https://api.ipify.org)

# Compare the new IP address with the old one
if [[ "$NEW_IP" != "$OLD_IP" ]]; then
echo "Your IP address has changed to $NEW_IP"

# Send a Twilio message with the new IP address
MESSAGE="New IP address: $NEW_IP"
curl -X POST 
"https://api.twilio.com/2010-04-01/Accounts/$TWILIO_ACCOUNT_SID/Messages.json; \
--data-urlencode "To=$TO_PHONE_NUMBER" \
--data-urlencode "From=$TWILIO_PHONE_NUMBER" \
--data-urlencode "Body=$MESSAGE" \
-u "$TWILIO_ACCOUNT_SID:$TWILIO_AUTH_TOKEN"

# Update the IP file with the new IP address
echo "$NEW_IP" > "$IP_FILE"
else
echo "Your IP address is still $OLD_IP"
fi

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Matt Connell]

On Tue, 2023-06-20 at 12:09 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> Any better solution for me, to get a remote system new IP address.
> 
> Telus has a tendency of changing the static IP without any warning, it 
> happened to me in the middle of ssh connection with the remote system.

Dynamic DNS is what you want.  Example: I have a subdomain set up
(whatever-i-feel-like.mydomain.tech) and some software to update it. 
Of course, this is dependent on a combination of 1) software and 2)
service that is supported by the software.  In my case, I use OpnSense
and their dynamic client updating my DNS on Namecheap using an API key.

Perhaps someone has a more simple/elegant solution, but mine required
no change of software or service and it is extremely reliable.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[thelma]

On 6/20/23 02:30, Michael wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 06:29:52 BST the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

Trying to send email via Google SMTP and postfix but getting authentication
failed.

white postfix/smtp[32223]: 62E5618008F: to=,
relay=smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109]:587, delay=2390,
delays=2390/0.01/0.29/0, dsn=4.7.8, status=deferred (SASL authentication
failed; server smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109] said: 535-5.7.8 Username and
Password not accepted. Learn more at?535 5.7.8
  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials
n3-20020aa78a4300b00663b712bfbdsm4668932pfa.57 - gsmtp)

relayhost = [smtp.gmail.com]:587
smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem
smtp_use_tls = yes

/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
[smtp.gmail.com]:587usern...@gmail.com:PASSWORD
postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
/etc/init.d/postfix restart

The user and password are correct.


I think I know what the problem is - but I do not use postfix and can't
confirm it on my side:

Since mid 2022 Google requires 2FA to allow login into their server.  Until
then it used to be the case you could select in their security settings to
"Allow Less Secure Apps", generate an application specific password hash using
their GUI and use this in your mail client.  For a year now you won't be able
to do this, unless you first provide a mobile phone number to Google.

If you *must* use Google, they you'll have to login into their Google account
security panel, set 2FA, attempt to connect with your postfix client, create
an application pass code hash for your postfix via their GUI and use that as
your password in your postfix settings.  If you change your IP address, or
your PC/client, or anything else Google are using to fingerprint and profile
your device, then you'll have to login again in their GUI to confirm you are
who you are and your client is a legitimate device owned by you.

They have many relevant help pages to explain all this, so you should search
for specific guidance, or find another email provider with less onerous user
profiling demands.  ;-)

HTH


Thank you Michael for detail explanation.
  
So it seems to me that what I want to do will not work.

I have a static IP with Telus on a remote location (trying to save $10) and 
whenever
IP on the remote location changes I would run a script that would send me an 
email with a new IP address of the remote system.
But from what you are describing, it will not work.

"...If you change your IP address, or your PC/client, or anything else Google 
are using
to fingerprint and profile your device, then you'll have to login again in 
their GUI to confirm you are
who you are and your client is a legitimate device owned by you."

So if the remote IP will change I have to re-initiate the fingerprint profile 
via
Google GUI. So much for trying to save $10.00 Any better solution for me, to 
get a remote system new IP address.

Telus has a tendency of changing the static IP without any warning, it happened 
to me in the middle of ssh connection with the remote system.

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Thelma,

On Monday, 2023-06-19 23:29:52 -0600, you wrote:

> Trying to send email via Google SMTP and postfix but getting authentication 
> failed.
> ...
> The user and password are correct.

Starting at 2022-06-01 Google requires either an application password or
OAuth2 for logging in.  Check the Gentoo archives for a thread with sub-
ject `Google and "fetchmail" + "ssmtp"´ started by me at 2022-03-17.

This thread refers  to an article  on the Web  describing how to support
OAuth2 for Fetchmail and Postfix and also contains a detailed descripti-
on of my personal solution using OAuth2 with neither Fetchmail nor Post-
fix, which still works.

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[William Kenworthy]

getmail can facilitate getting googlemail into postfix.  In my case, it 
fetches an mail then invokes sendemail to forward into postfix.  The 
docs for the google side of the equation are quite good.


BillK


On 20/6/23 16:30, Michael wrote:

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 06:29:52 BST the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

Trying to send email via Google SMTP and postfix but getting authentication
failed.

white postfix/smtp[32223]: 62E5618008F: to=,
relay=smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109]:587, delay=2390,
delays=2390/0.01/0.29/0, dsn=4.7.8, status=deferred (SASL authentication
failed; server smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109] said: 535-5.7.8 Username and
Password not accepted. Learn more at?535 5.7.8
  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials
n3-20020aa78a4300b00663b712bfbdsm4668932pfa.57 - gsmtp)

relayhost = [smtp.gmail.com]:587
smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem
smtp_use_tls = yes

/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
[smtp.gmail.com]:587usern...@gmail.com:PASSWORD
postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
/etc/init.d/postfix restart

The user and password are correct.

I think I know what the problem is - but I do not use postfix and can't
confirm it on my side:

Since mid 2022 Google requires 2FA to allow login into their server.  Until
then it used to be the case you could select in their security settings to
"Allow Less Secure Apps", generate an application specific password hash using
their GUI and use this in your mail client.  For a year now you won't be able
to do this, unless you first provide a mobile phone number to Google.

If you *must* use Google, they you'll have to login into their Google account
security panel, set 2FA, attempt to connect with your postfix client, create
an application pass code hash for your postfix via their GUI and use that as
your password in your postfix settings.  If you change your IP address, or
your PC/client, or anything else Google are using to fingerprint and profile
your device, then you'll have to login again in their GUI to confirm you are
who you are and your client is a legitimate device owned by you.

They have many relevant help pages to explain all this, so you should search
for specific guidance, or find another email provider with less onerous user
profiling demands.  ;-)

HTH

Re: [gentoo-user] google SMTP with postfix - Password not accepted

[Michael]

On Tuesday, 20 June 2023 06:29:52 BST the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> Trying to send email via Google SMTP and postfix but getting authentication
> failed.
> 
> white postfix/smtp[32223]: 62E5618008F: to=,
> relay=smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109]:587, delay=2390,
> delays=2390/0.01/0.29/0, dsn=4.7.8, status=deferred (SASL authentication
> failed; server smtp.gmail.com[173.194.203.109] said: 535-5.7.8 Username and
> Password not accepted. Learn more at?535 5.7.8
>  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BadCredentials
> n3-20020aa78a4300b00663b712bfbdsm4668932pfa.57 - gsmtp)
> 
> relayhost = [smtp.gmail.com]:587
> smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes
> smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
> smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
> smtp_tls_CAfile = /etc/postfix/cacert.pem
> smtp_use_tls = yes
> 
> /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
> [smtp.gmail.com]:587usern...@gmail.com:PASSWORD
> postmap /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd
> /etc/init.d/postfix restart
> 
> The user and password are correct.

I think I know what the problem is - but I do not use postfix and can't 
confirm it on my side:

Since mid 2022 Google requires 2FA to allow login into their server.  Until 
then it used to be the case you could select in their security settings to 
"Allow Less Secure Apps", generate an application specific password hash using 
their GUI and use this in your mail client.  For a year now you won't be able 
to do this, unless you first provide a mobile phone number to Google.

If you *must* use Google, they you'll have to login into their Google account 
security panel, set 2FA, attempt to connect with your postfix client, create 
an application pass code hash for your postfix via their GUI and use that as 
your password in your postfix settings.  If you change your IP address, or 
your PC/client, or anything else Google are using to fingerprint and profile 
your device, then you'll have to login again in their GUI to confirm you are 
who you are and your client is a legitimate device owned by you.

They have many relevant help pages to explain all this, so you should search 
for specific guidance, or find another email provider with less onerous user 
profiling demands.  ;-)

HTH

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome now requires wayland and jack audio?

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 8:53 AM Daniel Frey  wrote:
>
> On 2022-07-15 12:54, Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 12:28 PM Grant Edwards
> > mailto:grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > It looks like www-client/google-chrome just added wayland and jack
> >  > audio to the dependancies. So now I have to have Pulse _and_ Jack?
> >  >
> >  > --
> >  > Grant
> >
> > Is that truly a Chrome requirement, like the company Google wrote the
> > ebuild, or is
> > this something a Gentoo dev did for some reason?
> >
> > I'm curious as the USB disconnect problem seems somehow to be related
> > to using Chrome on the host machine for sites that do a lot of audio,
like
> > YouTube. A clean boot of the host machine, followed by a clean boot of
> > the VM
> > and I've run for at least an hour with no disconnection problems. I can
use
> > Chrome for email, messaging and reading newspapers with no problem, but
> > I run YouTube and twice I've had USB problems in the VM.
>
> How is the device for audio set up on the host? It may actually be a
> USB-audio device it provides to the VM itself, and that would explain
> the issue you are having.
>
> Dan

Hi Dan,
   It is not set up at all for audio on the host. I don't intend to use it
in Linux
at all at this time. Line6 doesn't support Linux, they provide no Linux
software and my use on the computer at all, at least initially, is simply
to use the DSP edit control software to create & tweak patches. That will
either be by rebooting this machine into Windows, or solving the
disconnection problems in the Windows VM. However I have found in the
Line6 forums that some people see this disconnection problem even
running in Windows natively so possibly I've just been lucky and now
seen it in the 2 or so hours I forced myself to use Windows to update
the DSP firmware and do an initial checkout of the machine.

   That said the device is a USB audio interface providing 8 USB input
and 8 USB output channels from the DSP + a stereo dry input over
USB. (And possibly more stuff over USB but at this time I haven't
investigated that.) I track, in both Linux and Windows, using Harrison
Mixbus32C (the for pay version of Ardour) and I will certainly be
investigating that at some future date but for now I simply intend to
take the audio output from the DSP to a normal input preamp interface
for recording and not use USB at all

   From the standpoint of the Linux host my preference is that KDE
and most Linux apps don't even know the device is present.

Hope this helps,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome now requires wayland and jack audio?

[Daniel Frey]

On 2022-07-15 12:54, Mark Knecht wrote:



On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 12:28 PM Grant Edwards 
mailto:grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 >
 > It looks like www-client/google-chrome just added wayland and jack
 > audio to the dependancies. So now I have to have Pulse _and_ Jack?
 >
 > --
 > Grant

Is that truly a Chrome requirement, like the company Google wrote the 
ebuild, or is

this something a Gentoo dev did for some reason?

I'm curious as the USB disconnect problem seems somehow to be related
to using Chrome on the host machine for sites that do a lot of audio, like
YouTube. A clean boot of the host machine, followed by a clean boot of 
the VM

and I've run for at least an hour with no disconnection problems. I can use
Chrome for email, messaging and reading newspapers with no problem, but
I run YouTube and twice I've had USB problems in the VM.


How is the device for audio set up on the host? It may actually be a 
USB-audio device it provides to the VM itself, and that would explain 
the issue you are having.


Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome now requires wayland and jack audio?

[Jigme Datse]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2022 19:28:07 - (UTC)
Grant Edwards  wrote:

> It looks like www-client/google-chrome just added wayland and jack
> audio to the dependancies. So now I have to have Pulse _and_ Jack?


Pipewire will allow you to handle both in a pretty seamless way.
Though it does take a bit of configuration to get it working.  


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome now requires wayland and jack audio?

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 12:28 PM Grant Edwards 
wrote:
>
> It looks like www-client/google-chrome just added wayland and jack
> audio to the dependancies. So now I have to have Pulse _and_ Jack?
>
> --
> Grant

Is that truly a Chrome requirement, like the company Google wrote the
ebuild, or is
this something a Gentoo dev did for some reason?

I'm curious as the USB disconnect problem seems somehow to be related
to using Chrome on the host machine for sites that do a lot of audio, like
YouTube. A clean boot of the host machine, followed by a clean boot of the
VM
and I've run for at least an hour with no disconnection problems. I can use
Chrome for email, messaging and reading newspapers with no problem, but
I run YouTube and twice I've had USB problems in the VM.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome now requires wayland and jack audio?

[Julien Roy]

One of the side effects of using proprietary software : you can't 
control with which flags it gets built.

With chromium-bin, there is a wayland USE flag, but nothing for jack.

On 7/15/22 15:28, Grant Edwards wrote:

It looks like www-client/google-chrome just added wayland and jack
audio to the dependancies. So now I have to have Pulse _and_ Jack?

--
Grant








--
Julien


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Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 18:12:51 +0100, Wols Lists wrote:

> > Could disabling a USE flag remove that dependency?  It may not be
> > google-chrome itself but something else it depends on.  Using the
> > --tree option may help here.  Masking the keyring package may force
> > emerge to shine some light on what needs the package as well.  It
> > should grumble about it being masked along with what needs it.
> > 
> > Sort of odd that something like this pops up all of a sudden with no
> > notice of the change.
> >   
> So why am I glad my USE= includes "-gnome" :-)
> 
> Although I don't use Chrome, so I wouldn't notice anyways :-)

google-chrome is a binary package, so USE flags won't make any difference
to its dependencies.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Wols Lists]

On 08/07/2022 07:44, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

On 7/7/22 21:50, Dale wrote:



You found a solution that works.  That's great.  Now you can get back to
doing more important things.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)


By upgrading one of my system, I've just noticed this behaviour is
enforced (I think) by new package that was pulled by emerge:
[ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1  USE="pam ssh-agent
(-selinux) -systemd -test"
Upgrading just "chrome" did not ask me for any keyring password.

I don't use gnome, I use XFCE but I guess one of the package pull this
as a dependency.
  






Could disabling a USE flag remove that dependency?  It may not be
google-chrome itself but something else it depends on.  Using the --tree
option may help here.  Masking the keyring package may force emerge to
shine some light on what needs the package as well.  It should grumble
about it being masked along with what needs it.

Sort of odd that something like this pops up all of a sudden with no
notice of the change.


So why am I glad my USE= includes "-gnome" :-)

Although I don't use Chrome, so I wouldn't notice anyways :-)

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Thelma,

On Friday, 2022-07-08 10:20:12 -0600, you wrote:

> ...
> app-crypt/libsecret-0.20.5-r3 pulled in by:
>  app-crypt/gcr-3.41.0 requires >=app-crypt/libsecret-0.20
> 
> And "app-crypt/gcr" was an upgrade.

This does not happen  with the stable version 3.40.0 of "app-crypt/gcr",
only with the  non-stable version 3.41.0  which has this additional dep-
endency.   But then, as soon as 3.41.0 will become stable you'd have the
same problem.

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Matt Connell]

On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 11:26 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> - if I enter password for the keyring, how to change it in the future.

The aforementioned seahorse will allow you to manage this.  I'm certain
there's a CLI way to access it.

> - do I need to keep that password, will I be ask to use the password

You'll be asked for this password whenever some application tries to
read protected secrets from the keyring, eg. Chrome, in this case.

I believe pam can be configured to allow gnome-keyring to authenticate
against your X(FCE) session login, but I've never bothered to set this
up.

> - which application application are using this keyring?

Lots of things can hook into the keyring optionally.  I mentioned a
few.  Chrome, Chromium, Brave, dBeaver, nheko, Evolution.

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[thelma]

On 7/8/22 11:12, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:20:12 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:


gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1 pulled in by:
  virtual/secret-service-0 requires gnome-base/gnome-keyring

grep secret-service upgrade_07-07-22.txt
[ebuild  N] virtual/secret-service-0

virtual/secret-service-0 pulled in by:
  app-crypt/libsecret-0.20.5-r3 requires =virtual/secret-service-0,
virtual/secret-service


The secret-service ebuild contains

RDEPEND="|| (
 gnome-base/gnome-keyring
 app-admin/keepassxc
)"

so emerge -1 keepassxc will keep gnome-keyring out, but you need one of
these password managers.


I intent to keep it as it is.  My question are:

- if I enter password for the keyring, how to change it in the future.
- do I need to keep that password, will I be ask to use the password
- which application application are using this keyring?

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 10:20:12 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1 pulled in by:
>  virtual/secret-service-0 requires gnome-base/gnome-keyring
> 
> grep secret-service upgrade_07-07-22.txt
> [ebuild  N] virtual/secret-service-0
> 
> virtual/secret-service-0 pulled in by:
>  app-crypt/libsecret-0.20.5-r3 requires =virtual/secret-service-0,
> virtual/secret-service

The secret-service ebuild contains

RDEPEND="|| (
gnome-base/gnome-keyring
app-admin/keepassxc
)"

so emerge -1 keepassxc will keep gnome-keyring out, but you need one of
these password managers.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Voting Democrat or Republican is like choosing a cabin in the Titanic.


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Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[thelma]

Thelma
On 7/8/22 08:02, Arve Barsnes wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 15:34, Matt Connell  wrote:

Should not this instruction say emerge --pretend  --depclean rather
than --unmerge ?


Since its pretended, the result is the same, ultimately.



Actually, none of them gives you any info about why a package is
installed, and --unmerge doesn't even try to check. Without --pretend
it's perfectly happy to let you shoot yourself in the foot. What you
actually need to get portage to tell you what requires the package in
question is
# emerge --pretend --depclean --verbose gnome-keyring

Regards,
Arve


OK I think I got to the bottom of this, it is caused by package upgrade:
[ebuild U ] app-crypt/gcr-3.41.0 [3.40.0] USE="gtk introspection vala -gtk-doc 
-systemd% -test"

All other packages are new and pull-in as a dependency:

gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1 pulled in by:
virtual/secret-service-0 requires gnome-base/gnome-keyring

grep secret-service upgrade_07-07-22.txt
[ebuild  N] virtual/secret-service-0

virtual/secret-service-0 pulled in by:
app-crypt/libsecret-0.20.5-r3 requires =virtual/secret-service-0, 
virtual/secret-service

grep app-crypt/libsecret upgrade_07-07-22.txt
[ebuild  N] app-crypt/libsecret-0.20.5-r3  USE="crypt introspection vala -gtk-doc -test 
-tpm" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"

app-crypt/libsecret-0.20.5-r3 pulled in by:
app-crypt/gcr-3.41.0 requires >=app-crypt/libsecret-0.20

And "app-crypt/gcr" was an upgrade.

So maybe it is better to leave it as it is, instead of fighting the system :-)
But it would be nice if there were some notes about it during emerge.
All of a sudden when starting chrome, a message box pops up "choose password for new 
keyring" (without any explanation) and all screen is frozen, only option is to enter a 
password or "cancel it".

Thelma

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Matt Connell]

On Fri, 2022-07-08 at 09:34 -0400, Matt Connell wrote:
> > Should not this instruction say emerge --pretend  --depclean rather
> > than --unmerge ?
> 
> Since its pretended, the result is the same, ultimately.

I take this back.  You're correct.  depclean should show you what
packages depend on $package which is what is desired.

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Arve Barsnes]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 15:34, Matt Connell  wrote:
> > Should not this instruction say emerge --pretend  --depclean rather
> > than --unmerge ?
>
> Since its pretended, the result is the same, ultimately.
>

Actually, none of them gives you any info about why a package is
installed, and --unmerge doesn't even try to check. Without --pretend
it's perfectly happy to let you shoot yourself in the foot. What you
actually need to get portage to tell you what requires the package in
question is
# emerge --pretend --depclean --verbose gnome-keyring

Regards,
Arve

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Matt Connell]

> > > By upgrading one of my system, I've just noticed this behaviour is 
> > > enforced (I think) by new package that was pulled by emerge:
> > > [ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1  USE="pam ssh-agent 
> > > (-selinux) -systemd -test"

> > > I don't use gnome, I use XFCE but I guess one of the package pull this as 
> > > a dependency.

Anecdote time from a fellow XFCE user.  I previously fought against
having gnome-keyring and eventually gave up, since more and more things
wanted to use it.  Now, I find it quite useful.  Lots of GTK
applications (and XFCE is GTK based) want to use gnome-keyring, and
between evolution, dbeaver, nheko, and others, it has become a benefit
(to me) rather than an annoyance.

If you decide to give it a try, app-crypt/seahorse is a useful
companion application for managing the keyring's contents.

> 
> Should not this instruction say emerge --pretend  --depclean rather
> than --unmerge ?

Since its pretended, the result is the same, ultimately.

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[John Covici]

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 05:01:17 -0400,
Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:
> 
> Thelma,
> 
> On Thursday, 2022-07-07 23:13:47 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> 
> > ...
> > By upgrading one of my system, I've just noticed this behaviour is enforced 
> > (I think) by new package that was pulled by emerge:
> > [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1  USE="pam ssh-agent 
> > (-selinux) -systemd -test"
> > Upgrading just "chrome" did not ask me for any keyring password.
> > 
> > I don't use gnome, I use XFCE but I guess one of the package pull this as a 
> > dependency.
> 
> Run
> 
>$ emerge --pretend --unmerge gnome-base/gnome-keyring
> 
> to get  the list  of packages  depending on  "gnome-base/gnome-keyring".
> Then check  each of  these packages  for a set USE flag  causing "gnome-
> base/gnome-keyring" to be pulled in.   At least in many cases such a USE
> flag will be named just "gnome-keyring".
Should not this instruction say emerge --pretend  --depclean rather
than --unmerge ?

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici wb2una
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Thelma,

On Thursday, 2022-07-07 23:13:47 -0600, the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

> ...
> By upgrading one of my system, I've just noticed this behaviour is enforced 
> (I think) by new package that was pulled by emerge:
> [ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1  USE="pam ssh-agent (-selinux) 
> -systemd -test"
> Upgrading just "chrome" did not ask me for any keyring password.
> 
> I don't use gnome, I use XFCE but I guess one of the package pull this as a 
> dependency.

Run

   $ emerge --pretend --unmerge gnome-base/gnome-keyring

to get  the list  of packages  depending on  "gnome-base/gnome-keyring".
Then check  each of  these packages  for a set USE flag  causing "gnome-
base/gnome-keyring" to be pulled in.   At least in many cases such a USE
flag will be named just "gnome-keyring".

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 7/7/22 21:50, Dale wrote:
>>
>>
>> You found a solution that works.  That's great.  Now you can get back to
>> doing more important things.  ;-)
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>
> By upgrading one of my system, I've just noticed this behaviour is
> enforced (I think) by new package that was pulled by emerge:
> [ebuild  N    ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1  USE="pam ssh-agent
> (-selinux) -systemd -test"
> Upgrading just "chrome" did not ask me for any keyring password.
>
> I don't use gnome, I use XFCE but I guess one of the package pull this
> as a dependency.
>  
>
>


Could disabling a USE flag remove that dependency?  It may not be
google-chrome itself but something else it depends on.  Using the --tree
option may help here.  Masking the keyring package may force emerge to
shine some light on what needs the package as well.  It should grumble
about it being masked along with what needs it. 

Sort of odd that something like this pops up all of a sudden with no
notice of the change. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[thelma]

On 7/7/22 21:50, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

On 7/7/22 21:28, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

On 7/7/22 20:23, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

After update to new chrome browser "google-chrome-103.0.5060"
A popup shows up:

"choose password for new keyring"

No explanation what is it, how to change it etc.  Is it needed?

Was it discuss before?




I don't use Chrome but google found this.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312289

This may help too.

https://superuser.com/questions/890150/completely-stop-gnome-keyring-popups



Does one of those help?  They seem to address the problem in slightly
different ways.

Dale

:-)  :-)


Thanks,  there is a lot of information how to by-pass it but very
little explanation which application request it or why is it there.
  




One thing I read makes it sound like it is for a built in password
remembering tool. I know Firefox and Seamonkey has the same but I
disable those since I use BitWarden anyway.  One would think there would
be a setting in preferences to just disable all that.  I suspect few use
them given the popularity of LastPass, BitWarden and other tools that
are much more secure and portable.  Maybe looking for a password tool
setting would help.  I tried Chrome ages ago, didn't like it at all.
That was several years ago so I'm clueless on it now.  Just thought
those suggestions might help.

Dale

:-)  :-)


Starting chrome with "--password-store=basic" solved the problem.
  






You found a solution that works.  That's great.  Now you can get back to
doing more important things.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)


By upgrading one of my system, I've just noticed this behaviour is enforced (I 
think) by new package that was pulled by emerge:
[ebuild  N] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-42.1  USE="pam ssh-agent (-selinux) 
-systemd -test"
Upgrading just "chrome" did not ask me for any keyring password.

I don't use gnome, I use XFCE but I guess one of the package pull this as a 
dependency.
 

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 7/7/22 21:28, Dale wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> On 7/7/22 20:23, Dale wrote:
 the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> After update to new chrome browser "google-chrome-103.0.5060"
> A popup shows up:
>
> "choose password for new keyring"
>
> No explanation what is it, how to change it etc.  Is it needed?
>
> Was it discuss before?
>


 I don't use Chrome but google found this.

 https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312289

 This may help too.

 https://superuser.com/questions/890150/completely-stop-gnome-keyring-popups



 Does one of those help?  They seem to address the problem in slightly
 different ways.

 Dale

 :-)  :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks,  there is a lot of information how to by-pass it but very
>>> little explanation which application request it or why is it there.
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>> One thing I read makes it sound like it is for a built in password
>> remembering tool. I know Firefox and Seamonkey has the same but I
>> disable those since I use BitWarden anyway.  One would think there would
>> be a setting in preferences to just disable all that.  I suspect few use
>> them given the popularity of LastPass, BitWarden and other tools that
>> are much more secure and portable.  Maybe looking for a password tool
>> setting would help.  I tried Chrome ages ago, didn't like it at all.
>> That was several years ago so I'm clueless on it now.  Just thought
>> those suggestions might help.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>
> Starting chrome with "--password-store=basic" solved the problem.
>  
>
>


You found a solution that works.  That's great.  Now you can get back to
doing more important things.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[thelma]

On 7/7/22 21:28, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

On 7/7/22 20:23, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

After update to new chrome browser "google-chrome-103.0.5060"
A popup shows up:

"choose password for new keyring"

No explanation what is it, how to change it etc.  Is it needed?

Was it discuss before?




I don't use Chrome but google found this.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312289

This may help too.

https://superuser.com/questions/890150/completely-stop-gnome-keyring-popups


Does one of those help?  They seem to address the problem in slightly
different ways.

Dale

:-)  :-)


Thanks,  there is a lot of information how to by-pass it but very
little explanation which application request it or why is it there.
  






One thing I read makes it sound like it is for a built in password
remembering tool. I know Firefox and Seamonkey has the same but I
disable those since I use BitWarden anyway.  One would think there would
be a setting in preferences to just disable all that.  I suspect few use
them given the popularity of LastPass, BitWarden and other tools that
are much more secure and portable.  Maybe looking for a password tool
setting would help.  I tried Chrome ages ago, didn't like it at all.
That was several years ago so I'm clueless on it now.  Just thought
those suggestions might help.

Dale

:-)  :-)


Starting chrome with "--password-store=basic" solved the problem.
 

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 7/7/22 20:23, Dale wrote:
>> the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
>>> After update to new chrome browser "google-chrome-103.0.5060"
>>> A popup shows up:
>>>
>>> "choose password for new keyring"
>>>
>>> No explanation what is it, how to change it etc.  Is it needed?
>>>
>>> Was it discuss before?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I don't use Chrome but google found this.
>>
>> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312289
>>
>> This may help too.
>>
>> https://superuser.com/questions/890150/completely-stop-gnome-keyring-popups
>>
>>
>> Does one of those help?  They seem to address the problem in slightly
>> different ways.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>
> Thanks,  there is a lot of information how to by-pass it but very
> little explanation which application request it or why is it there.
>  
>
>


One thing I read makes it sound like it is for a built in password
remembering tool. I know Firefox and Seamonkey has the same but I
disable those since I use BitWarden anyway.  One would think there would
be a setting in preferences to just disable all that.  I suspect few use
them given the popularity of LastPass, BitWarden and other tools that
are much more secure and portable.  Maybe looking for a password tool
setting would help.  I tried Chrome ages ago, didn't like it at all. 
That was several years ago so I'm clueless on it now.  Just thought
those suggestions might help. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[thelma]

On 7/7/22 20:23, Dale wrote:

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:

After update to new chrome browser "google-chrome-103.0.5060"
A popup shows up:

"choose password for new keyring"

No explanation what is it, how to change it etc.  Is it needed?

Was it discuss before?




I don't use Chrome but google found this.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312289

This may help too.

https://superuser.com/questions/890150/completely-stop-gnome-keyring-popups

Does one of those help?  They seem to address the problem in slightly
different ways.

Dale

:-)  :-)


Thanks,  there is a lot of information how to by-pass it but very little 
explanation which application request it or why is it there.
 

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome-103.0.5060 - choose password for new keyring

[Dale]

the...@sys-concept.com wrote:
> After update to new chrome browser "google-chrome-103.0.5060"
> A popup shows up:
>
> "choose password for new keyring"
>
> No explanation what is it, how to change it etc.  Is it needed?
>
> Was it discuss before?
>


I don't use Chrome but google found this.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=312289

This may help too.

https://superuser.com/questions/890150/completely-stop-gnome-keyring-popups

Does one of those help?  They seem to address the problem in slightly
different ways. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Walter Dnes]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 02:47:16PM +, spareproject776 wrote
> 
> They flushed all the app password creds and forced 2fa. 
> Need to go through the accounts.google.com login to recover.

  Sorry for the delay responding.  I can login fine with my password on
accounts.google.com but it does not work on pop.gmail.com.  What exactly
do I have to do to get it working again?

-- 
Walter Dnes 
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Neil,

On Tuesday, 2022-06-14 15:20:36 +0100, you wrote:

> ...
> >https://getmail6.org/configuration.html#configuring
> 
> Good point, it's that long since I set up getmail, I had to check if it
> was using IMAP or POP, and I'm using it with IMAP. Is there a reason you
> can't or won't use IMAP?

Well, the reason for using "fetchmail" at all is probably historical: It
was the only available mail retrieval utility  on Sun's Solaris way back
in time.   I am used to (and sort of depend on) running "fetchmail" as a
daemon as well as using the "dropdelivered" directive provided by it for
POP3 which causes fetched mail to be deleted on the server.

But I've meanwhile seen  that "getmail" provides the  "--delete" command
line option for that.   And regarding the daemon mode  I could whip up a
shell script which runs "getmail" together with  a "sleep 60" command in
an infinite loop.  So I could probably give it a try.

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:52:19 +0200, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:

> > > Anybody knowing about a replacement for "fetchmail" which provides
> > > daem- on mode as well as  POP and  OAuth support,  and also allows
> > > to directly feed the fetched mails into "procmail"?  
> > 
> > net-mail/getmail  
> 
> Do you know for sure?   As mentioned in my original mail I was under the
> impression that OAuth is only available  together with IMAP but not with
> POP3.  See
> 
>https://getmail6.org/configuration.html#configuring

Good point, it's that long since I set up getmail, I had to check if it
was using IMAP or POP, and I'm using it with IMAP. Is there a reason you
can't or won't use IMAP?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Q:  Why is top-posting evil?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Neil,

On Monday, 2022-06-13 20:20:46 +0100, you wrote:

> ...
> > Anybody knowing about a replacement for "fetchmail" which provides daem-
> > on mode as well as  POP and  OAuth support,  and also allows to directly
> > feed the fetched mails into "procmail"?
> 
> net-mail/getmail

Do you know for sure?   As mentioned in my original mail I was under the
impression that OAuth is only available  together with IMAP but not with
POP3.  See

   https://getmail6.org/configuration.html#configuring

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Neil Bothwick]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:41:37 +0200, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:

> Anybody knowing about a replacement for "fetchmail" which provides daem-
> on mode as well as  POP and  OAuth support,  and also allows to directly
> feed the fetched mails into "procmail"?

net-mail/getmail


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Dr Rainer Woitok]

Walter,

On Monday, 2022-06-13 09:42:39 -0400, you wrote:

>   I started getting this today.
> 
> fetchmail: Authorization failure on @pop.gmail.com
> fetchmail: For help, see http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-FAQ.html#R15
> fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL)

See the thread with subject 'Google and "fetchmail" + "ssmtp"' between
2022-03-17 and 2022-04-06 on the "gentoo-user" mailing list.

There's one big gotcha though:  shortly before Google's 2022-05-30 dead-
line for the switch to two-factor-authorization,  the upstream maintain-
ers of "fetchmail" decided to abandon the 7.0.0 release  (coincidence?),
causing the Gentoo maintainers to also drop "fetchmail-7.0.0" from Port-
age.

I ended up cloning the "git" source repository from

   https://gitlab.com/fetchmail/fetchmail.git

checking out branch "remote/next", and then running

   export PREFIX=$HOME
   ./autogen.sh
   ./configure --disable-IMAP --mandir=$PREFIX/man
   make install

which installs the man pages  "~/man/man1/fetchmail.1"  and "~/man/man1/
fetchmailconf.1" as well as the programmes "~/bin/fetchmail" and "~/bin/
fetchmailconf" in my home directory.

But I think this will be only a temporary solution due to lacking maint-
enance upstream.   Looking around a bit I found "getmail" in the Portage
repository which supports OAuth,  but apparently only for IMAP.  Bummer.

Anybody knowing about a replacement for "fetchmail" which provides daem-
on mode as well as  POP and  OAuth support,  and also allows to directly
feed the fetched mails into "procmail"?

Sincerely,
  Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[Dale]

Walter Dnes wrote:
>   I started getting this today.
>
> fetchmail: Authorization failure on @pop.gmail.com
> fetchmail: For help, see http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-FAQ.html#R15
> fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL)
>
>   The fetchmail URL is not helpful at all.  Here's the stanza for Gmail
> in my .fetchmailrc.  What do I do now?
>
> poll pop.gmail.com protocol pop3:
>  username "" password "*" is "" here
>  ssl
>  fetchall
>  mda "/usr/bin/procmail -m ~/.mailfilter/.procmailrc":
>


I ran into a failure a month or so ago.  See thread titled "Seamonkey
automatic email download after switch to Oauth2" that I started.  I had
to switch to Oauth2 to access my emails.  The switch itself went well
enough, just ran into another issue afterwards.  I suspect you are going
to have to change how it sends the user/password info as well.  At least
it is something you should check into.  It may be something else. 
Google is switching off less secure methods to send the password and
such.  We got to adjust. 

>From what I've read, some don't like Oauth2 but I think it is all Google
supports for now.  I guess they are switching off by region or
something.  Others failed months ago, mine failed a month or so ago and
now yours has failed. 

Hope that helps.  If not, I tried.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Google pop3 authentication failure

[spareproject776]

They flushed all the app password creds and forced 2fa. 
Need to go through the accounts.google.com login to recover.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 09:42:39AM -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
>   I started getting this today.
> 
> fetchmail: Authorization failure on @pop.gmail.com
> fetchmail: For help, see http://www.fetchmail.info/fetchmail-FAQ.html#R15
> fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL)
> 
>   The fetchmail URL is not helpful at all.  Here's the stanza for Gmail
> in my .fetchmailrc.  What do I do now?
> 
> poll pop.gmail.com protocol pop3:
>  username "" password "*" is "" here
>  ssl
>  fetchall
>  mda "/usr/bin/procmail -m ~/.mailfilter/.procmailrc":
> 
> -- 
> Walter Dnes 
> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google and "fetchmail" + "ssmtp"

[Wols Lists]

http://mmogilvi.users.sourceforge.net/software/oauthbearer.html

Hope this helps ...

Cheers,
Wol

On 17/03/2022 16:51, Dr Rainer Woitok wrote:

Greetings,

since quite some time,  longe before  "converting" to Gentoo,  I've used
"fetchmail" and "ssmtp" to retrieve and send mail via my Google account.

Some time after I had all set up,  Google started nagging  about my not-
so-secure access to my mail account via just userid and password.  Up to
now I simply ignored that.   But now Google told me  to only allow "Sign
in with Google" or OAuth 2.0 after 2022-05-30.

I've seen quite a few people with "@gmail" or "@googlemail" addresses on
this list, so others might have a similar problem,  but maybe nobody but
me is using this Google + "fetchmail" + "ssmtp" combination.   Any ideas
how to get OAuth into this set-up?

If it helps, here are the relevant configuration files:

 ~/.fetchmailrc 

poll pop.gmail.com
protoPOP3
service  995
user rainer.woi...@googlemail.com
dropdelivered
fetchall
no keep
mda  '/usr/bin/procmail -pf %F'
pass **
ssl

 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf -

mailhub=smtp.gmail.com:587
FromLineOverride=YES
hostname=tux
rewriteDomain=Gmail.Com
root=rainer.woi...@gmail.com
UseSTARTTLS=YES
AuthUser=rainer.woi...@googlemail.com
AuthPass=**

-End --

Sincerely,
   Rainer

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 9 November 2019 18:50:01 GMT P Levine wrote:
> There is a relevant thread at
> https://support.google.com/mail/thread/11736136?hl=en
> 
> Some have reported success by changing  authentication to plain, i.e.
> 
> Settings -> Kmail Settings -> Receiving -> (Select your Gmail account) ->
> Modify -> Advanced -> Connection Settings -> Authentication -> Change to
> PLAIN
> 
> and also changing server from imap.gmail.com to imap.googlemail.com.

That last was the key step. Many thanks.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[P Levine]

There is a relevant thread at
https://support.google.com/mail/thread/11736136?hl=en

Some have reported success by changing  authentication to plain, i.e.

Settings -> Kmail Settings -> Receiving -> (Select your Gmail account) ->
Modify -> Advanced -> Connection Settings -> Authentication -> Change to
PLAIN

and also changing server from imap.gmail.com to imap.googlemail.com.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:30 AM Peter Humphrey 
wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> A recent message prompted me to try creating a google mail account again,
> to
> collect my gmail.com email, but it still says "This app is not yet
> authorised..." (I think that's the wording).
>
> Is there anything a mere user can do to expedite closing this hole? It's
> been
> open for some months now.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Peter.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Mick]

On Thursday, 7 November 2019 17:00:59 GMT Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 November 2019 12:12:41 GMT Mick wrote:
> > On Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:47:19 GMT Антон Кулешов wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Create 'Application-specific password required' in your google account
> > > and
> > > use it instead of your google password. Try this link
> > > myaccount.google.com/apppasswords
> > 
> > A couple of months ago Kmail stopped working with OAuth2.  I assumed Gmail
> > changed their OAuth2 implementation and Kmail hadn't caught up with the
> > changes.
> > 
> > The way I managed this change so far, has been to set my Google Account
> > security settings to allow "less secure apps":
> > 
> > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en
> > 
> > Then change the Kmail/Settings/Receiving/Advanced/Authentication from
> > "Gmail" to "Plain".  The other relevant settings are "SSL/TLS" and port
> > "993".
> > 
> > When selecting "Gmail" authentication, it used to be the case qtwebengine
> > would launch a GUI in which you would login into the Gmail security web
> > GUI
> > to set up an application specific password.  I don't know if this works
> > now, it didn't last time I tried it, a few months ago.  I suspect it won't
> > work if you have "less secure app access" enabled.
> 
> I tried that, and I remember I used to have something similar set up too,
> but since that change you mention at Google, apparently it's no longer
> possible to create a new account in KMail to work with google mail. Google
> just blocks the attempt and issues me with a critical security issue.

Login to Gmail webmail interface using your browser.  Open the most recent 
'critical security issue' email message Google has sent, providing you with a 
URL directing you to your Google account security settings.  Click to confirm 
the attempt to connect is not malicious and you/your PC/IP address were the 
culprit.

Thereafter, you *should* be able to connect with your Kmail.

NOTE:  Every time you change IP address, because say you're in a different 
physical location, Google security will once more go in a fit and block Kmail 
from connecting.  Then you will need to repeat the above steps with your Gmail 
webmail interface first, before you are able to connect with Kmail.  Tedious, 
I know.


> Looks like I'll have to use a different email client for gmail. Can I even
> have two MUAs active at the same time?

I don't think this would be necessary, but yes, once your IP is accepted by 
Google's security algos I think you should be able to login and download your 
emails with any other client too.  I seem to recall I didn't have a problem 
using mutt in this way.

-- 
Regards,

Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 7 November 2019 12:12:41 GMT Mick wrote:
> On Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:47:19 GMT Антон Кулешов wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Create 'Application-specific password required' in your google account and
> > use it instead of your google password. Try this link
> > myaccount.google.com/apppasswords
> 
> A couple of months ago Kmail stopped working with OAuth2.  I assumed Gmail
> changed their OAuth2 implementation and Kmail hadn't caught up with the
> changes.
> 
> The way I managed this change so far, has been to set my Google Account
> security settings to allow "less secure apps":
> 
> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en
> 
> Then change the Kmail/Settings/Receiving/Advanced/Authentication from
> "Gmail" to "Plain".  The other relevant settings are "SSL/TLS" and port
> "993".
> 
> When selecting "Gmail" authentication, it used to be the case qtwebengine
> would launch a GUI in which you would login into the Gmail security web GUI
> to set up an application specific password.  I don't know if this works
> now, it didn't last time I tried it, a few months ago.  I suspect it won't
> work if you have "less secure app access" enabled.

I tried that, and I remember I used to have something similar set up too, but 
since that change you mention at Google, apparently it's no longer possible to 
create a new account in KMail to work with google mail. Google just blocks the 
attempt and issues me with a critical security issue.

> Anyway, I better send this message before I start tweaking my Google
> security settings and end up locking myself out of my account!  LOL!
> 
> PS. TBH I'm finding all this Google omniscience troublesome and their
> security settings tiresome.  Perhaps it's time I took my email data
> elsewhere.

Looks like I'll have to use a different email client for gmail. Can I even 
have two MUAs active at the same time?

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:47:19 GMT Антон Кулешов wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Create 'Application-specific password required' in your google account and
> use it instead of your google password.

I don't understand. Create what, exactly? Do you mean to say what the 
instructions in this page say? :

> myaccount.google.com/apppasswords

I did that but got the same result.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Mick]

On Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:47:19 GMT Антон Кулешов wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Create 'Application-specific password required' in your google account and
> use it instead of your google password. Try this link
> myaccount.google.com/apppasswords

A couple of months ago Kmail stopped working with OAuth2.  I assumed Gmail 
changed their OAuth2 implementation and Kmail hadn't caught up with the 
changes.

The way I managed this change so far, has been to set my Google Account 
security settings to allow "less secure apps":

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en

Then change the Kmail/Settings/Receiving/Advanced/Authentication from "Gmail" 
to "Plain".  The other relevant settings are "SSL/TLS" and port "993".

When selecting "Gmail" authentication, it used to be the case qtwebengine 
would launch a GUI in which you would login into the Gmail security web GUI to 
set up an application specific password.  I don't know if this works now, it 
didn't last time I tried it, a few months ago.  I suspect it won't work if you 
have "less secure app access" enabled.

Anyway, I better send this message before I start tweaking my Google security 
settings and end up locking myself out of my account!  LOL!

PS. TBH I'm finding all this Google omniscience troublesome and their security 
settings tiresome.  Perhaps it's time I took my email data elsewhere.
-- 
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Антон Кулешов]

Hello,

Create 'Application-specific password required' in your google account and
use it instead of your google password. Try this link
myaccount.google.com/apppasswords

чт, 7 нояб. 2019 г. в 12:54, Peter Humphrey :

> On Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:04:10 GMT Jack wrote:
> > On 2019.11.06 11:30, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > > A recent message prompted me to try creating a google mail account
> > > again, to collect my gmail.com email, but it still says "This app is
> not
> > > yet authorised..." (I think that's the wording).
> > >
> > > Is there anything a mere user can do to expedite closing this hole?
> > > It's been open for some months now.
> >
> > If you mean that's the message your local email app is getting from
> > gmail when trying to retrieve messages, I suspect it's the "less secure
> > application" issue.  If that's the case, then you either need to use
> > OAUTH2 to authorize your mail client to Google, or else set the "OK to
> > use less secure applications" through the settings through the gmail
> > web interface.  gmail simply calls any mail client which does not use
> > OAUTH2 to be "less secure."
> >
> > If that's not the case, then we need a few more details about what's
> > going on.
>
> No, it's what Google's authentication screen says. My local email app is
> KMail, as I said.
>
> I used the Create Account wizard in KMail, gave my credentials, entered
> the
> confirmation code from my mobile and was told:
>
> "Sign in with Google temporarily disabled for this app
>
> "This app has not yet been verified by Google in order to use Google Sign
> in"
>
> I tried again, but creating a Custom Account. Some of the authentication
> Methods offered by KMail are not usable with GMail; others get a refusal
> from
> Google: "Application-specific password required." There's no mention of
> oauth2
> in any dialogue.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Peter.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:04:10 GMT Jack wrote:
> On 2019.11.06 11:30, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > A recent message prompted me to try creating a google mail account
> > again, to collect my gmail.com email, but it still says "This app is not
> > yet authorised..." (I think that's the wording).
> > 
> > Is there anything a mere user can do to expedite closing this hole?
> > It's been open for some months now.
> 
> If you mean that's the message your local email app is getting from
> gmail when trying to retrieve messages, I suspect it's the "less secure
> application" issue.  If that's the case, then you either need to use
> OAUTH2 to authorize your mail client to Google, or else set the "OK to
> use less secure applications" through the settings through the gmail
> web interface.  gmail simply calls any mail client which does not use
> OAUTH2 to be "less secure."
> 
> If that's not the case, then we need a few more details about what's
> going on.

No, it's what Google's authentication screen says. My local email app is 
KMail, as I said.

I used the Create Account wizard in KMail, gave my credentials, entered the 
confirmation code from my mobile and was told:

"Sign in with Google temporarily disabled for this app

"This app has not yet been verified by Google in order to use Google Sign in"

I tried again, but creating a Custom Account. Some of the authentication 
Methods offered by KMail are not usable with GMail; others get a refusal from 
Google: "Application-specific password required." There's no mention of oauth2 
in any dialogue.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Mail still not recognising Gentoo KMail

[Jack]

On 2019.11.06 11:30, Peter Humphrey wrote:

Hello list,

A recent message prompted me to try creating a google mail account  
again, to

collect my gmail.com email, but it still says "This app is not yet
authorised..." (I think that's the wording).

Is there anything a mere user can do to expedite closing this hole?  
It's been

open for some months now.

--
Regards,
Peter.
If you mean that's the message your local email app is getting from  
gmail when trying to retrieve messages, I suspect it's the "less secure  
application" issue.  If that's the case, then you either need to use  
OAUTH2 to authorize your mail client to Google, or else set the "OK to  
use less secure applications" through the settings through the gmail  
web interface.  gmail simply calls any mail client which does not use  
OAUTH2 to be "less secure."


If that's not the case, then we need a few more details about what's  
going on.


Jack

Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Mick]

On Saturday 11 Jul 2015 02:12:40 behrouz khosravi wrote:
  Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?
 
 I am sorry, google was on my mind the moment I posted!, I hate the amazon
 advertizements!

All these companies are the same.  Google just happens to have a bigger share 
of internet searches than others, almost a monopoly, but others have a bigger 
share of your purchasing habits, reading interests, etc.  With the increasing 
digitalisation of social and economic activity, profiling of individuals now 
happens online.

Falling off the grid is not practical for most non-hermits, but I guess it is 
a choice still available to us.

-- 
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] google

[behrouz khosravi]

 Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?


I am sorry, google was on my mind the moment I posted!, I hate the amazon
advertizements!

Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Alan McKinnon]

On 10/07/2015 22:59, behrouz khosravi wrote:
 Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!



Come on. Get real. Or grow up.



-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:29:30 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote:

 Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!

Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] google

[Alexander Salmin]

http://www.instructables.com/id/Aluminum-Foil-Hat/

On 2015-07-11 00:25, Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:29:30 +0430, behrouz khosravi wrote:


Do you folks notice that google is triying to control the way we live?!

Unlike Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, Apple et al I suppose?

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Mick]

Oops! I seem to have missed sending this to the list instead of Andrew.

On Wednesday 24 Jun 2015 22:03:45 Mick wrote:
 On Wednesday 24 Jun 2015 08:31:51 you wrote:
  On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:08:01 +0100 Mick wrote:
   On Tuesday 23 Jun 2015 11:54:02 Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:26:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
  Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium
  and not for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what
  you want to know though.
 
 Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
 then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that
 site and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code
 in there. o_O

There is a now a USE flag to specifically enable this. It defaults to
disabled but if you previously emerged chromium before the flag as
added, you will still have it. Using --newuse will cause a world
update to re-emerge chromium, but if you use --changed-use it
doesn't, so re-emerge chromium if you want to get rid of this.
   
   What is the new USE flag and does it also apply to 43.0.2357.65?
  
  The flag is USE=hotwording, it applies to 45.0.2431.0 and later
  versions. Please note that this flag disables autoload of hotwording
  nacl plugin, so if one had earlier chromium versions installed, one
  will still have this plugin installed on a system.
  
  In order to remove already installed plugin one have to delete the
  following directory:
  ~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/lccekmodgklaepjeofjdjpbminllajkg
  
  See also:
  https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552298
  
  Best regards,
  Andrew Savchenko
 
 Thank you Dale for bringing this to our attention and thank you Andrew for
 the bug and hint to remove the already downloaded blob.  I am emerging
 43.0.2357.130 which has the USE flag -hotwording% unset as a default.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
 On Tuesday 23 Jun 2015 11:54:02 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:26:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
 Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and
 not for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want
 to know though.

 Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
 then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that site
 and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code in there.
 o_O

 There is a now a USE flag to specifically enable this. It defaults to
 disabled but if you previously emerged chromium before the flag as added,
 you will still have it. Using --newuse will cause a world update to
 re-emerge chromium, but if you use --changed-use it doesn't, so re-emerge
 chromium if you want to get rid of this.

 What is the new USE flag and does it also apply to 43.0.2357.65?



https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435

It's mentioned in post 4 first.  I don't know if Gentoo is using the
same name or not tho.  It should be a start at least.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Mick]

On Tuesday 23 Jun 2015 11:54:02 Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:26:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
   Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and
   not for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want
   to know though.
  
  Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
  then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that site
  and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code in there.
  o_O
 
 There is a now a USE flag to specifically enable this. It defaults to
 disabled but if you previously emerged chromium before the flag as added,
 you will still have it. Using --newuse will cause a world update to
 re-emerge chromium, but if you use --changed-use it doesn't, so re-emerge
 chromium if you want to get rid of this.

What is the new USE flag and does it also apply to 43.0.2357.65?

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Andrew Savchenko]

On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:08:01 +0100 Mick wrote:
 On Tuesday 23 Jun 2015 11:54:02 Neil Bothwick wrote:
  On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:26:31 -0500, Dale wrote:
Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and
not for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want
to know though.
   
   Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
   then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that site
   and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code in there.
   o_O
  
  There is a now a USE flag to specifically enable this. It defaults to
  disabled but if you previously emerged chromium before the flag as added,
  you will still have it. Using --newuse will cause a world update to
  re-emerge chromium, but if you use --changed-use it doesn't, so re-emerge
  chromium if you want to get rid of this.
 
 What is the new USE flag and does it also apply to 43.0.2357.65?
 
The flag is USE=hotwording, it applies to 45.0.2431.0 and later
versions. Please note that this flag disables autoload of hotwording
nacl plugin, so if one had earlier chromium versions installed, one
will still have this plugin installed on a system.

In order to remove already installed plugin one have to delete the
following directory:
~/.config/chromium/Default/Extensions/lccekmodgklaepjeofjdjpbminllajkg

See also:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=552298

Best regards,
Andrew Savchenko


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:26:31 -0500, Dale wrote:

 Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and
 not for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want
 to know though.
 

 Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
 then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that site
 and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code in there.
 o_O

 There is a now a USE flag to specifically enable this. It defaults to
 disabled but if you previously emerged chromium before the flag as added,
 you will still have it. Using --newuse will cause a world update to
 re-emerge chromium, but if you use --changed-use it doesn't, so re-emerge
 chromium if you want to get rid of this.



I use Seamonkey and Firefox.  I tried that thing once and I didn't like
it. I just saw this posted on a social site I'm on and the site the
article is on sometimes has good stories but a lot of the time, they are
questionable at least.  I just wanted to see if it was somewhat accurate
before folks started going all goofy over it.  It seems each distro is
patching a fix for this.  I don't know when people are going to learn
that enabling something like this by default and not mentioning it to
the users is going to create a dust storm.  A lot of people really watch
for things like this and they get upset when it happens.  This is why I
don't have a microphone or camera on my puter and never have.  I most
likely, never will.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Simon Thelen]

On 15-06-23 at 03:06, Dale wrote:
 Howdy,
 
 Is this for real?  I question the source and figure with all the Linux
 geeks we have here, someone here would know about this story and if it
 is real or not.
 
 http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/06/got-chrome-google-just-silently-downloaded-this-onto-your-computer-3173880.html
  
 
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/TEMP-0786909-A21526
https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435

Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and not
for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want to know
though.

-- 
Simon Thelen

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Dale]

Simon Thelen wrote:
 On 15-06-23 at 03:06, Dale wrote:
 Howdy,

 Is this for real?  I question the source and figure with all the Linux
 geeks we have here, someone here would know about this story and if it
 is real or not.

 http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/06/got-chrome-google-just-silently-downloaded-this-onto-your-computer-3173880.html
  

 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909
 https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/TEMP-0786909-A21526
 https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=491435

 Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and not
 for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want to know
 though.


Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that site
and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code in there. 
o_O 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome and audio capture

[Neil Bothwick]

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 05:26:31 -0500, Dale wrote:

  Take from that what you will. Note, the issues are for chromium and
  not for Google Chrome, shouldn't make a difference for what you want
  to know though.
   
 
 Thanks.  That was what I was looking for.  I guess they did do this
 then.  This may be the first time I checked into a story from that site
 and it be true.  It seems google did sort of sneak some code in there. 
 o_O 

There is a now a USE flag to specifically enable this. It defaults to
disabled but if you previously emerged chromium before the flag as added,
you will still have it. Using --newuse will cause a world update to
re-emerge chromium, but if you use --changed-use it doesn't, so re-emerge
chromium if you want to get rid of this.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Time is an illusion but never so much as when you're using a modem.


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Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome fails under kernel 3.18

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 12/11/2014 08:02:12 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
 Hi gentoo-users,
 
 Yesterday I installed and compiled gentoo-sources-3.18.0, everything 
 seems to be in order but google-chrome just doesn't display any page 
 (even settings), showing a blue screen with Oops instead. In Firefox,
 
 everything works as before. I tried reinstalling chrome, removing its
 
 config directory and even installing chrome-beta, but all to no 
 avail.
 
 Yet, simply rebooting back to 3.17.4 reverted it to order. Maybe
 there's 
 some important kernel config parameter or smth I've missed? (I just
 used 
 make oldconfig)
 

Why do you use Google-Chrome?
I'm using Chromium which works just fine with gentoo-sources-3.18.0.

Helmut

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome fails under kernel 3.18

[Stefan G. Weichinger]

Am 11.12.2014 um 10:01 schrieb Helmut Jarausch:

 Why do you use Google-Chrome?
 I'm using Chromium which works just fine with gentoo-sources-3.18.0.

... and google-chrome works as well, at least here for me

Re: [gentoo-user] google-chrome fails under kernel 3.18

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

hardware support for rendering activated?


2014-12-11 10:01 GMT+01:00 Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at:

 Am 11.12.2014 um 10:01 schrieb Helmut Jarausch:

  Why do you use Google-Chrome?
  I'm using Chromium which works just fine with gentoo-sources-3.18.0.

 ... and google-chrome works as well, at least here for me

Re: [gentoo-user] Google+ Community for Gentoo?

[Pandu Poluan]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pandu Poluan wrote:
 Is there a Google+ Community for us Gentoo-ers?

 Rgds,

 Like this:

 http://plus.google.com/+Gentoo/

 or

 http://plus.google.com/102533239052362718067

 Hope that works.


Well... no. What you gave was the URL to the Gentoo Google+ *account*...

But after I sharpen my GooglePlus-Fu a bit, I finally found out the
Google+ Gentoo Community:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/100146718762350759856


Rgds,
-- 
FdS Pandu E Poluan
~ IT Optimizer ~

 • LOPSA Member #15248
 • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com
 • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan

Re: [gentoo-user] Google+ Community for Gentoo?

[Dale]

Pandu Poluan wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Pandu Poluan wrote:
 Is there a Google+ Community for us Gentoo-ers?

 Rgds,
 Like this:

 http://plus.google.com/+Gentoo/

 or

 http://plus.google.com/102533239052362718067

 Hope that works.

 Well... no. What you gave was the URL to the Gentoo Google+ *account*...

 But after I sharpen my GooglePlus-Fu a bit, I finally found out the
 Google+ Gentoo Community:

 https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/100146718762350759856


 Rgds,


Ohhh, like a mailing list but for Google.  I didn't even know Google had
that.  About the only thing Google I use is email, still hoping to
switch that one day. 

Glad you found it tho. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!

Re: [gentoo-user] google drive

[Yohan Pereira]

On 04/02/13 at 01:43pm, András Csányi wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I would like to get some advise what would be the good - reasonably
 good - solution use my Google Drive storage under Gentoo. In the last
 1.5 years I haven't used Gentoo so, I'm a little bit out of scope
 about the actualities.
 
 I found grive but it is not compiling. At the moment I don't have time
 to figure out what could be the issue with it and I have no time to
 report it. Maybe, later.

Place the attached file in the folder (create the folder if it doesn't
exists)
/etc/portage/patches/net-misc/grive-0.2.0/

Here's how it looks on my system.

$ cat /etc/portage/patches/net-misc/grive-0.2.0/binutils.patch
--- grive-0.2.0/libgrive/src/bfd/SymbolInfo.cc  2012-07-07 21:13:18.0 
+0530
+++ grive-0.2.0-patch/libgrive/src/bfd/SymbolInfo.cc2012-10-25 
19:50:12.753953058 +0530
@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@
 #include Debug.hh
 
 #include vector
-
+#define PACKAGE
 #include bfd.h
 #include execinfo.h
 #include dlfcn.h

 What I'm looking for is similar to I had under Windows. The drive
 could be mountable and it is  synchronized. At the moment does not
 matter it is synchronized automatically or it requires a command.

after you configure grive, it syncs the current folder with your google
drive. You need to run it again to sync any changes. I use a cron entry
to periodically sync my drive.

-- 

- Yohan Pereira

The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference
between a mermaid and a seal.
-- Mark Twain
--- grive-0.2.0/libgrive/src/bfd/SymbolInfo.cc	2012-07-07 21:13:18.0 +0530
+++ grive-0.2.0-patch/libgrive/src/bfd/SymbolInfo.cc	2012-10-25 19:50:12.753953058 +0530
@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@
 #include Debug.hh
 
 #include vector
-
+#define PACKAGE
 #include bfd.h
 #include execinfo.h
 #include dlfcn.h

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome leftovers

[Randy Barlow]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:12:16 -0500, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com  
wrote:

Also, is anyone successfully using GoogleTalk in Chrome on Gentoo?


Yeah, it works for me:

$ equery list google-chrome google-talkplugin
 * Searching for google-chrome ...
[IP-] [  ] www-client/google-chrome-22.0.1229.94_p161065:stable

 * Searching for google-talkplugin ...
[I--] [??] www-plugins/google-talkplugin-2.1.7.0:0

Strangely, I noticed that I've got those weird ??'s on the  
google-talkplugin package, which I guess means that I'm using a version  
that has been removed from Portage. I see that 3.7.1.0 and 3.9.1.0 are  
available in /usr/portage/www-plugins/google-talkplugin/, so perhaps I  
should upgrade to one of those. Are they not working for you?


--
R

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome leftovers

[Mark Knecht]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Randy Barlow
ra...@electronsweatshop.com wrote:
 On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:12:16 -0500, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Also, is anyone successfully using GoogleTalk in Chrome on Gentoo?


 Yeah, it works for me:

 $ equery list google-chrome google-talkplugin
  * Searching for google-chrome ...
 [IP-] [  ] www-client/google-chrome-22.0.1229.94_p161065:stable

  * Searching for google-talkplugin ...
 [I--] [??] www-plugins/google-talkplugin-2.1.7.0:0

 Strangely, I noticed that I've got those weird ??'s on the google-talkplugin
 package, which I guess means that I'm using a version that has been removed
 from Portage. I see that 3.7.1.0 and 3.9.1.0 are available in
 /usr/portage/www-plugins/google-talkplugin/, so perhaps I should upgrade to
 one of those. Are they not working for you?

 --
 R


Thanks for the info. Actually I haven't tried any version yet. I was
just curious about finding some app that might receive text message
sent from a cell phone. I.e. - instead of giving my cell phone number
which I'd rather keep private I might give a Google-Talk phone number
and receive the messages at my desk. I think this can be done with
Skype but you have to buy a phone number from them. It seems to me
that Google gives theirs out for free, at least right now.

I believe you are correct about the ?? versions. They aren't in portage here.

Thanks again,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome leftovers

[Bruce Hill]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 02:38:48PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:
 
 Thanks for the info. Actually I haven't tried any version yet. I was
 just curious about finding some app that might receive text message
 sent from a cell phone. I.e. - instead of giving my cell phone number
 which I'd rather keep private I might give a Google-Talk phone number
 and receive the messages at my desk. I think this can be done with
 Skype but you have to buy a phone number from them. It seems to me
 that Google gives theirs out for free, at least right now.
 
 I believe you are correct about the ?? versions. They aren't in portage here.
 
 Thanks again,
 Mark

There is a service called Google Voice. You get a phone number from them and
can forward it to another phone. Also, it will send voice messages to your
Google mail account, and even translate them (not well) to text. It will also
send text messages. This was the number I put on my business cards (it's in my
sig) so that I could receive calls to my cell number w/out actually giving it
out. When someone calls 662-205-6424 it tells me I have a call from (and I
assume they're asked to give their name), press 1 to accept. If I don't want
to talk to them at that time, I don't answer, and they're routed to the voice
mail. If they leave a message, it's sent to my Google account as a sound file
and translated to text. That's the gist of it...

When my one-year with this Android phone is up in Dec, we're getting iPhones
and also canceling all the Google accounts and services. We don't agree with
the new privacy policies they released March 1, 2012. Google was not a
favorite before then, actually. But if we didn't keep the Google account we
couldn't get updates to the Android phone. Which, by the way, is a piece of
junk (Samsung Galaxy S). Android OS is basically Googles *borrowing* from
Linux and OSS over the years, and they've done an amazingly poor job of it.

Be that as it may ... Google Voice has been nice. If some sane and responsible
party who valued privacy and freedom as we do had a similar service, we'd be
interested.
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126 Fenco Drive   ( \
Tupelo, MS 38801   ^^
supp...@happypenguincomputers.com
662-269-2706 662-205-6424
http://happypenguincomputers.com/

Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome leftovers

[Mark Knecht]

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Bruce Hill
da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 02:38:48PM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote:

 Thanks for the info. Actually I haven't tried any version yet. I was
 just curious about finding some app that might receive text message
 sent from a cell phone. I.e. - instead of giving my cell phone number
 which I'd rather keep private I might give a Google-Talk phone number
 and receive the messages at my desk. I think this can be done with
 Skype but you have to buy a phone number from them. It seems to me
 that Google gives theirs out for free, at least right now.

 I believe you are correct about the ?? versions. They aren't in portage here.

 Thanks again,
 Mark

 There is a service called Google Voice. You get a phone number from them and
 can forward it to another phone. Also, it will send voice messages to your
 Google mail account, and even translate them (not well) to text. It will also
 send text messages. This was the number I put on my business cards (it's in my
 sig) so that I could receive calls to my cell number w/out actually giving it
 out. When someone calls 662-205-6424 it tells me I have a call from (and I
 assume they're asked to give their name), press 1 to accept. If I don't want
 to talk to them at that time, I don't answer, and they're routed to the voice
 mail. If they leave a message, it's sent to my Google account as a sound file
 and translated to text. That's the gist of it...

 When my one-year with this Android phone is up in Dec, we're getting iPhones
 and also canceling all the Google accounts and services. We don't agree with
 the new privacy policies they released March 1, 2012. Google was not a
 favorite before then, actually. But if we didn't keep the Google account we
 couldn't get updates to the Android phone. Which, by the way, is a piece of
 junk (Samsung Galaxy S). Android OS is basically Googles *borrowing* from
 Linux and OSS over the years, and they've done an amazingly poor job of it.

 Be that as it may ... Google Voice has been nice. If some sane and responsible
 party who valued privacy and freedom as we do had a similar service, we'd be
 interested.
 --
 Happy Penguin Computers   ')
 126 Fenco Drive   ( \
 Tupelo, MS 38801   ^^
 supp...@happypenguincomputers.com
 662-269-2706 662-205-6424
 http://happypenguincomputers.com/

 Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting


Bruce,
   As my interest (at this time, today only) is text message, does the
Google Voice service accept text messages like a cell phone would or
is it purely a voice service like a land line?

Thanks,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Google Chrome leftovers

[Randy Barlow]

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:06:26 -0500, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com  
wrote:

As my interest (at this time, today only) is text message, does the
Google Voice service accept text messages like a cell phone would or
is it purely a voice service like a land line?


It accepts them like a cell phone, and there is a web interface as well as  
an Android app to use it.


--
R

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Michael Hampicke]

 You are right on; I disable Java in firefox and now can open links in
 google search.

As I said, I have disabled cookies and javascript for goolge.de (using
cookiemonster an noscript). But as I sometimes use google maps, I allow
javascript on google.com and then use google.com for maps - with cookies
disalbed. And here I have the same issue as you have, I cannot open the
links, but the strange thing is: it's not all the time, sometimes it
works, sometimes it does not.

Who knows what google guys were doing. Maybe they left a screw driver in
there or something :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Joseph]

On 02/09/12 09:30, Michael Hampicke wrote:

You are right on; I disable Java in firefox and now can open links in
google search.


As I said, I have disabled cookies and javascript for goolge.de (using
cookiemonster an noscript). But as I sometimes use google maps, I allow
javascript on google.com and then use google.com for maps - with cookies
disalbed. And here I have the same issue as you have, I cannot open the
links, but the strange thing is: it's not all the time, sometimes it
works, sometimes it does not.

Who knows what google guys were doing. Maybe they left a screw driver in
there or something :)



I just got a hint from Gentoo forum.  It seems to me others got hit by the same 
issue.
quote--
Google is getting crappier and crappier by the day. What happened to the lean, mean, simple search engine that 
everyone fell in love with? Now they're just bloating it with unnecessary javascript crap.


Hmm, one idea: Do you accept cookies from google? I don't. If you don't either, 
try activating them and see if it works then.
--end quote--

I'm switching to Bing search engine. It seems to me Google is getting evil now.

--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Michael Mol]

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 02/09/12 09:30, Michael Hampicke wrote:

 You are right on; I disable Java in firefox and now can open links in
 google search.


 As I said, I have disabled cookies and javascript for goolge.de (using
 cookiemonster an noscript). But as I sometimes use google maps, I allow
 javascript on google.com and then use google.com for maps - with cookies
 disalbed. And here I have the same issue as you have, I cannot open the
 links, but the strange thing is: it's not all the time, sometimes it
 works, sometimes it does not.

 Who knows what google guys were doing. Maybe they left a screw driver in
 there or something :)


 I just got a hint from Gentoo forum.  It seems to me others got hit by the
 same issue.
 quote--
 Google is getting crappier and crappier by the day. What happened to the
 lean, mean, simple search engine that everyone fell in love with? Now
 they're just bloating it with unnecessary javascript crap.

 Hmm, one idea: Do you accept cookies from google? I don't. If you don't
 either, try activating them and see if it works then.
 --end quote--

 I'm switching to Bing search engine. It seems to me Google is getting evil
 now.

I very much like DuckDuckGo. It uses Bing as its back-end, but applies
filters, etc, to clean out known spam and copy-and-ad sites. If I
can't find something with DuckDuckGo, then I try Google as a followup.
(DDG doesn't handle long literals very well; queries for things like
long model numbers don't usually work out.)

You can also use it as a calculator, like you can Google, but it
defers calculations (and other relevant things) to Wolfram Alpha.
Queries on some other things will quote verbatim Wikipedia, and you
can click through to get to the WP page.

It's very nice.

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Dale]

I know this thread is a few weeks old but it is still highly related.  I
found this:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/02/what-actually-changed-google%27s-privacy-policy

Maybe it ain't so bad after all.  Someone posted it wasn't tho.

Dale

:-)  :-)

-- 
I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or
how you interpreted my words!

Miss the compile output?  Hint:
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Pandu Poluan]

On Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
wrote:


 8 snippage


 BTW, the Baidu spider hits my site more than all of the others combined...


Somewhat anecdotal, and definitely veering way off-topic, but Baidu was the
reason why my company decided to change our webhosting company: Its
spidering brought our previous webhosting to its knees...

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
 wrote:


  8 snippage


 BTW, the Baidu spider hits my site more than all of the others combined...


 Somewhat anecdotal, and definitely veering way off-topic, but Baidu was the
 reason why my company decided to change our webhosting company: Its
 spidering brought our previous webhosting to its knees...

 Rgds,

I wonder if Baidu crawler honors the Crawl-delay directive in robots.txt?

Or I wonder if Baidu cralwer IPs need to be covered by firewall tarpit rules. ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Michael Mol]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
 wrote:


  8 snippage


 BTW, the Baidu spider hits my site more than all of the others combined...


 Somewhat anecdotal, and definitely veering way off-topic, but Baidu was the
 reason why my company decided to change our webhosting company: Its
 spidering brought our previous webhosting to its knees...

 Rgds,

 I wonder if Baidu crawler honors the Crawl-delay directive in robots.txt?

 Or I wonder if Baidu cralwer IPs need to be covered by firewall tarpit rules. 
 ;)

I don't remember if it respects Crawl-Delay, but it respects forbidden
paths, etc. I've never been DDOS'd by Baidu crawlers, but I did get
DDOS'd by Yahoo a number of times. Turned out the solution was to
disallow access to expensive-to-render pages. If you're using
MediaWiki with prettified URLs, this works great:

User-agent: *
Allow: /mw/images/
Allow: /mw/skins/
Allow: /mw/title.png
Disallow: /w/
Disallow: /mw/
Disallow: /wiki/Special:

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Pandu Poluan]

On Feb 8, 2012 10:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Paul Hartman
 paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
  On Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com

  wrote:
 
 
   8 snippage
 
 
  BTW, the Baidu spider hits my site more than all of the others
combined...
 
 
  Somewhat anecdotal, and definitely veering way off-topic, but Baidu
was the
  reason why my company decided to change our webhosting company: Its
  spidering brought our previous webhosting to its knees...
 
  Rgds,
 
  I wonder if Baidu crawler honors the Crawl-delay directive in
robots.txt?
 
  Or I wonder if Baidu cralwer IPs need to be covered by firewall tarpit
rules. ;)

 I don't remember if it respects Crawl-Delay, but it respects forbidden
 paths, etc. I've never been DDOS'd by Baidu crawlers, but I did get
 DDOS'd by Yahoo a number of times. Turned out the solution was to
 disallow access to expensive-to-render pages. If you're using
 MediaWiki with prettified URLs, this works great:

 User-agent: *
 Allow: /mw/images/
 Allow: /mw/skins/
 Allow: /mw/title.png
 Disallow: /w/
 Disallow: /mw/
 Disallow: /wiki/Special:


*slaps forehead*

Now why didn't I think of that before?!

Thanks for reminding me!

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Michael Hampicke]

Am 08.02.2012 19:24, schrieb Joseph:
 I can not seem to open any link in Google search engine. I'm using
 firefox-9.0
 Google search display the result but when I try to open it it doesn't work.
 
 I don't have any plugin's installed
 Proxy is set to no-proxy
 
 By 2nd. backup computer as the same problem. Trying open any link from
 Google search doesn't work. Bing work OK
 My 3rd. backup computer works but when I change Cookies accept: ask
 every time I can not open any link form Google search.
 
 I try to change the same setting on my main server and cookies setting
 make no difference.
 
 I've downgraded 2nd. backup computer to firefox-bin-8.0 and opening link
 is working OK in Google.
 
 I just notice this strange behavior yesterday and have not clue why is
 it behaving this way.
 

Maybe some crazy JavaScript foo of google. I have no problem here, I do
not allow google to set cookies nor to execute any kind of scripts
including javascript.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Michael Mol]

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:

 On Feb 8, 2012 10:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Paul Hartman
 paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
  On Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM, Paul Hartman
  paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
   8 snippage
 
 
  BTW, the Baidu spider hits my site more than all of the others
  combined...
 
 
  Somewhat anecdotal, and definitely veering way off-topic, but Baidu was
  the
  reason why my company decided to change our webhosting company: Its
  spidering brought our previous webhosting to its knees...
 
  Rgds,
 
  I wonder if Baidu crawler honors the Crawl-delay directive in
  robots.txt?
 
  Or I wonder if Baidu cralwer IPs need to be covered by firewall tarpit
  rules. ;)

 I don't remember if it respects Crawl-Delay, but it respects forbidden
 paths, etc. I've never been DDOS'd by Baidu crawlers, but I did get
 DDOS'd by Yahoo a number of times. Turned out the solution was to
 disallow access to expensive-to-render pages. If you're using
 MediaWiki with prettified URLs, this works great:

 User-agent: *
 Allow: /mw/images/
 Allow: /mw/skins/
 Allow: /mw/title.png
 Disallow: /w/
 Disallow: /mw/
 Disallow: /wiki/Special:


 *slaps forehead*

 Now why didn't I think of that before?!

 Thanks for reminding me!

I didn't think of it until I watched the logs live and saw it crawling
through page histories during one of the events. MediaWiki stores page
histories as a series of diffs from the current version, so it has to
assemble old versions by reverse-applying the diffs of all the made to
the page between the current version and the version you're asking
for. if you have a bot retrieve ten versions of a page that has ten
revisions, that's 210 reverse diff operations. Grabbing all versions
of a page with 20 revisions would result in over 1500 reverse diffs.
My 'hello world' page has over five hundred revisions.

So the page history crawling was pretty quickly obvious...

-- 
:wq

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Joseph]

On 02/08/12 19:28, Michael Hampicke wrote:



Am 08.02.2012 19:24, schrieb Joseph:

I can not seem to open any link in Google search engine. I'm using
firefox-9.0
Google search display the result but when I try to open it it doesn't work.

I don't have any plugin's installed
Proxy is set to no-proxy

By 2nd. backup computer as the same problem. Trying open any link from
Google search doesn't work. Bing work OK
My 3rd. backup computer works but when I change Cookies accept: ask
every time I can not open any link form Google search.

I try to change the same setting on my main server and cookies setting
make no difference.

I've downgraded 2nd. backup computer to firefox-bin-8.0 and opening link
is working OK in Google.

I just notice this strange behavior yesterday and have not clue why is
it behaving this way.



Maybe some crazy JavaScript foo of google. I have no problem here, I do
not allow google to set cookies nor to execute any kind of scripts
including javascript.


You are right on; I disable Java in firefox and now can open links in google 
search.
This is getting strange.  One day it is working and next day it stops (I did 
not even installed anything).

Though, I do accept cookies selectively. 


--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Pandu Poluan]

On Feb 9, 2012 1:35 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
 
  On Feb 8, 2012 10:57 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Paul Hartman
  paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info
wrote:
  
   On Jan 27, 2012 11:18 PM, Paul Hartman
   paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
  
    8 snippage
  
  
   BTW, the Baidu spider hits my site more than all of the others
   combined...
  
  
   Somewhat anecdotal, and definitely veering way off-topic, but Baidu
was
   the
   reason why my company decided to change our webhosting company: Its
   spidering brought our previous webhosting to its knees...
  
   Rgds,
  
   I wonder if Baidu crawler honors the Crawl-delay directive in
   robots.txt?
  
   Or I wonder if Baidu cralwer IPs need to be covered by firewall
tarpit
   rules. ;)
 
  I don't remember if it respects Crawl-Delay, but it respects forbidden
  paths, etc. I've never been DDOS'd by Baidu crawlers, but I did get
  DDOS'd by Yahoo a number of times. Turned out the solution was to
  disallow access to expensive-to-render pages. If you're using
  MediaWiki with prettified URLs, this works great:
 
  User-agent: *
  Allow: /mw/images/
  Allow: /mw/skins/
  Allow: /mw/title.png
  Disallow: /w/
  Disallow: /mw/
  Disallow: /wiki/Special:
 
 
  *slaps forehead*
 
  Now why didn't I think of that before?!
 
  Thanks for reminding me!

 I didn't think of it until I watched the logs live and saw it crawling
 through page histories during one of the events. MediaWiki stores page
 histories as a series of diffs from the current version, so it has to
 assemble old versions by reverse-applying the diffs of all the made to
 the page between the current version and the version you're asking
 for. if you have a bot retrieve ten versions of a page that has ten
 revisions, that's 210 reverse diff operations. Grabbing all versions
 of a page with 20 revisions would result in over 1500 reverse diffs.
 My 'hello world' page has over five hundred revisions.

 So the page history crawling was pretty quickly obvious...


Although my website is not a wiki, I can already guess which part of the
site brought the server to its knees...

My company's research division everyday selects important economic and
financial news to be republished in the corporate website. We have news
from 3-4 years ago. To make visitors easier to find any news, the website
designer provided a nice calendar interface.

The problems:

- The calendar interface is dynamically generated; days without interesting
news have no hyperlinks, only days with news have hyperlinks.

- Every page in the website has a sidebar that provides a summary of the
stock market for the day (5-minute delay). The sidebar is pre-generated
by server-side PHP, before being handed over to the AJAX framework.

- Someone had a flash of 'brilliance' to do a URL rewrite, thus hiding the
telltale '?' query indicator, thus misleading spiders (they probably
thought that the hundreds of news pages are static pages that got magically
updated by unicorns every 10-20 seconds)

I'm going to disallow spidering fit the news pages. I'm almost certain that
this will result in a much lighter load on the poor webserver.

Rgds,

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Walter Dnes]

On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 11:58:26AM -0700, Joseph wrote

 You are right on; I disable Java in firefox and now can open links
 in google search.  This is getting strange.  One day it is working
 and next day it stops (I did not even installed anything).
 
 Though, I do accept cookies selectively.

  That's ***JAVASCRIPT***.  I'm not being nitpicky.  Those are 2 totally
different items.  I ran into the same problem as you.

-- 
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org

Re: [gentoo-user] Google - can not open any link

[Joseph]

On 02/08/12 23:24, Walter Dnes wrote:

On Wed, Feb 08, 2012 at 11:58:26AM -0700, Joseph wrote


You are right on; I disable Java in firefox and now can open links
in google search.  This is getting strange.  One day it is working
and next day it stops (I did not even installed anything).

Though, I do accept cookies selectively.


 That's ***JAVASCRIPT***.  I'm not being nitpicky.  Those are 2 totally
different items.  I ran into the same problem as you.

--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org


If I disable Java under: Preference -- Content: JavaScript
I can open the link but I need JavaScript to be enabled as some of my 
internal program depend on it.

What is causing it?  I downgraded to Firefox-8 same thing.  I can not open any Google 
links if JavaScript is enabled.

--
Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

Hi,

have you read googles privacy changes yourself?

I just did - and there is nothing new or unusual.

Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 Hi,
 
 have you read googles privacy changes yourself?
 
 I just did - and there is nothing new or unusual.
 
 


I read some more on it but I'm thinking about what will be coming next.
 It seems when a company goes public like Google did a while back,
facebook is about too, they go downhill a bit privacy wise and it is
like rolling down a hill.  It takes a while but it happens.

Thing about me having fastmail or something, it is me voting with my
money, not me leaving with no vote against someone else's money.  Right
now, google is only worried about the money from ads which is something
I can't control.  If fastmail tries this, when I leave it is my money
they lose.  Fastmail will think about me not some ad that may or may not
be coming.  Since I will be a paying customer, I won't have any ads
anyway.

I am looking into Yandex too.  Are they Russian or something?  I'm kind
of leaning towards them for a couple reasons but trying to figure them
out.  I'm trying to do this slow and with a deeper knowledge this time
so I don't have to go through this again later on.

Plus, I just don't like being tracked all over the place anyway.  We
have a big enough brother already.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Mick]

On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 19:12:17 Dale wrote:
 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
  Hi,
  
  have you read googles privacy changes yourself?
  
  I just did - and there is nothing new or unusual.
 
 I read some more on it but I'm thinking about what will be coming next.
  It seems when a company goes public like Google did a while back,
 facebook is about too, they go downhill a bit privacy wise and it is
 like rolling down a hill.  It takes a while but it happens.
 
 Thing about me having fastmail or something, it is me voting with my
 money, not me leaving with no vote against someone else's money.  Right
 now, google is only worried about the money from ads which is something
 I can't control.  If fastmail tries this, when I leave it is my money
 they lose.  Fastmail will think about me not some ad that may or may not
 be coming.  Since I will be a paying customer, I won't have any ads
 anyway.
 
 I am looking into Yandex too.  Are they Russian or something?  I'm kind
 of leaning towards them for a couple reasons but trying to figure them
 out.  I'm trying to do this slow and with a deeper knowledge this time
 so I don't have to go through this again later on.
 
 Plus, I just don't like being tracked all over the place anyway.  We
 have a big enough brother already.

As far as I can tell all that is changing with Google is they are going to 
join up in terms of user authentication, hitherto separate portals or apps 
they had.  I do not see a material difference to what is there now.

Fastmail, Google, Yahoo!, Yandex, et al, are all public ISPs and are making 
their money one way or another.  It is in their benefit to respect users 
privacy, but don't for a minute think that your info while in their systems 
can be deemed as private.  Unless you use encryption they can probe it, 
analyse it, read it, categorise it, etc.  Whether it is Google ads bureau, or 
CIA, or FSB, there is not much of a difference between them as far as the 
privacy of your data is concerned.

I think that you are worrying yourself unnecessarily, although there is no 
harm in being cautious all the same.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Chris Walters]

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On 1/29/2012 02:47 PM, Mick wrote:
 On Sunday 29 Jan 2012 19:12:17 Dale wrote:
 As far as I can tell all that is changing with Google is they are going to 
 join up in terms of user authentication, hitherto separate portals or apps 
 they had.  I do not see a material difference to what is there now.
 
 Fastmail, Google, Yahoo!, Yandex, et al, are all public ISPs and are making 
 their money one way or another.  It is in their benefit to respect users 
 privacy, but don't for a minute think that your info while in their systems 
 can be deemed as private.  Unless you use encryption they can probe it, 
 analyse it, read it, categorise it, etc.  Whether it is Google ads bureau, or 
 CIA, or FSB, there is not much of a difference between them as far as the 
 privacy of your data is concerned.
 
 I think that you are worrying yourself unnecessarily, although there is no 
 harm in being cautious all the same.

In the age of the corporate Internet, it is wise to understand that information
is a commodity that is bought and sold and that anything that goes through you
ISP and public providers (like Yahoo, Google, etc.) is available for sale, with
the exceptions of bank account numbers and the like.

In short, it is wise to assume that there is no reasonable assumption of
privacy for any of your activity on the Internet.

Using encryption is a good policy, especially if you use the Internet to buy
and sell things - otherwise your credit card numbers, bank accounts, and so on,
can be compromised.  However, one should also read the terms of use and terms
of service for all services they use.  For example, it violates the Yahoo terms
of use to use proxy servers or networks (e.g. Tor) to obscure one's location
and IP address.

Governments, as you bring up, also monitor Internet traffic, though they are
mainly looking for what they deem as threats to their security.

I agree that there is no harm in being cautious.

Chris
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Re: [gentoo-user] Google privacy changes

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 08:38:15 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote:

 To turn this on its head ... rather than hiding, is there a way to
 create identical browsers that pollute their (google et al.) databases?

Considering the huge number a people using the likes of Google (and no
one has stated that they actually use something like this), such
pollution wouldn't even amount to one speck of dust.


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