[gentoo-user] Re: mplayer troubles since update world
Kelly Hirai ke...@met.fsu.edu writes: Harry Putnam wrote: I didn't notice that mplayer wasn't working in firefox right away but I think it may have started with a recent update. (All updated packages are listed at the bottom) [...] i had trouble with console mplayer after the last update as mplayer was built against another version of /usr/lib/libx264.so revdep-rebuild fixed that. Thanks... revdep-rebuild here, turns up several pkgs needing rebuild but all are related to a jpeg library. And, no mplayer package came up on the list of pkgs to rebuild. I'll see in a while if it helped any. But it seems unlikely since mplayer didn't turn up on the list. Still, if its using the wrong jpeg library... maybe.
[gentoo-user] Re: mplayer troubles since update world
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: i had trouble with console mplayer after the last update as mplayer was built against another version of /usr/lib/libx264.so revdep-rebuild fixed that. Thanks... revdep-rebuild here, turns up several pkgs needing rebuild but all are related to a jpeg library. And, no mplayer package came up on the list of pkgs to rebuild. I'll see in a while if it helped any. But it seems unlikely since mplayer didn't turn up on the list. Still, if its using the wrong jpeg library... maybe. revdep-rebuild helped not at all in my case. Now trying a rebuid of mplayer itself... emerge -vup mplayer YIKES... this is going to pull in a lot of stuff (wrapped for mail)(Maybe I'll see improvement after this mess is emerged): [ebuild U ] media-plugins/live-2009.09.04 [2009.07.28] 439 kB [ebuild U ] x11-proto/xextproto-7.0.5 [7.0.4] 79 kB [ebuild U ] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.21a [1.0.21] USE=python -alisp -debug -doc ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol 790 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libvorbis-1.2.3 USE=-doc 1,440 kB [ebuild N ] dev-lang/nasm-2.07 USE=-doc 762 kB [ebuild U ] x11-proto/xproto-7.0.15 [7.0.14] 156 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/x264-0.0.20090908 USE=threads -debug 2,664 kB [ebuild N ] media-sound/lame-3.98.2-r2 USE=-debug -mmx -mp3rtp -sndfile 1,297 kB [ebuild U ] x11-proto/videoproto-2.3.0 [2.2.2] 54 kB [ebuild U ] media-libs/fontconfig-2.7.3 [2.7.2] USE=-doc 1,507 kB [ebuild U ] x11-proto/xcb-proto-1.5 [1.2] 88 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libmp4v2-1.9.1 USE=-utils 423 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/faac-1.28-r1 663 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/xvid-1.2.2-r1 USE=-examples -pic 629 kB [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libxcb-1.4-r1 [1.1.90.1] USE=-debug -doc (-selinux) 299 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/flac-1.2.1-r3 USE=cxx -3dnow (-altivec) -debug -doc -ogg -sse 1,971 kB [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libX11-1.2.2 [1.1.5] USE=xcb* -debug -ipv6 1,833 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libsndfile-1.0.20 USE=alsa -jack -minimal -sqlite 906 kB [ebuild N] media-sound/twolame-0.3.12 472 kB [ebuild U ] x11-libs/libXext-1.0.5 [1.0.4] USE=-debug 265 kB [ebuild U ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090919-r1 [1.0_rc2_p20090731-r1] USE=X a52 aac alsa ass cddb cdio dirac dts dv dvd* dvdnav enca encode* faac faad gif iconv jpeg* live mmx mp2 mp3* network opengl* osdmenu png* quicktime rar real rtc samba schroedinger shm speex theora tremor truetype unicode vorbis* x264 xv xvid -3dnow -3dnowext -aalib (-altivec) -bidi -bindist -bl -cdparanoia -cpudetection -custom-cpuopts -debug -dga -directfb -doc -dvb -dxr3 -esd -fbcon -ftp -ggi -gmplayer -ipv6 -jack -joystick -ladspa -libcaca -lirc -lzo -mad -md5sum -mmxext -mng -nas -nut -openal -opencore-amr -oss -pnm -pulseaudio -pvr -radio -sdl -sse -sse2 -ssse3 -svga -teletext -tga -v4l -v4l2 -vdpau -vidix -win32codecs* -xanim -xinerama -xscreensaver -xvmc -zoran (-custom-cflags%) VIDEO_CARDS=mga tdfx -nvidia -s3virge (-vesa%*) 14,779 kB
[gentoo-user] Where is mplayer?
The newest version of mplayer offered in todays sync is: media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090919-r1 It cannot be found in any of around a dozen repos that emerge tries with emerge -vu mplayer Anyone know where it can be found. By the way I did try downloading the sources from: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html Renaming the downloaded tarball to file to /usr/portage/distfiles/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090919-r1 emerge appears to ignore it completely but It must be running a md5 or something. ... Anyway emerge just goes on and tries to find it quite a few places. Anyone know where this file can be had currently?
[gentoo-user] Re: Where is mplayer?
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: The newest version of mplayer offered in todays sync is: media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090919-r1 It cannot be found in any of around a dozen repos that emerge tries with emerge -vu mplayer Anyone know where it can be found. By the way I did try downloading the sources from: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html Renaming the downloaded tarball to file to /usr/portage/distfiles/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090919-r1 Sorry that rename above should have read: `Renaming the downloaded tarball to /usr/portage/distfiles/mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090919.tar.bz2' Which is the exact name emerge output shows but it is just ignored
[gentoo-user] Re: Icons on the xfce4 Desktop
dhk dhk...@optonline.net writes: I recently started using the xfce4 desktop with Gentoo and something happened where the icons disappeared. When I go to the Desktop folder I can still see them there, the problem is I can get them to display again or they are displayed but off the screen. Any ideas? Thanks, dhk I know Xfce4 has some problems with a new jpeg-7 library. Not sure what or how. But check and see if jpeg-7 has been installed recently.
[gentoo-user] Why am I seeing only black screen in mplayer
Following my most recent update world of Sept. 13, mplayer only produces a black screen when playing quicktime .mov files. Ditto in firefox. This was working. But I'm not sure really what is playing the videos ... I do have gecko installed but in the firefox settings/applications it lists: quicktime files as being handled by `Use quicktime plugin 7.4.5 All other video formats are listed as being handled by gecko. I'm not sure if firefox settings were changed by update world. Can anyone throw some light on what might be the problem here. Does anyone know if the new version of mplayer(1.0_rc4_p20090919-r1) offered in portage (which is not yet available in gentoo repos)... might fix the problem? = * = * = * = A list of pkgs updated on Sept 13: qlop --list |grep 'Sep 13 ' Sun Sep 13 05:52:10 2009 dev-libs/expat-2.0.1-r2 Sun Sep 13 05:53:55 2009 media-libs/jpeg-7 Sun Sep 13 05:54:26 2009 sys-devel/gnuconfig-20090819 Sun Sep 13 05:55:10 2009 sys-libs/timezone-data-2009m Sun Sep 13 05:56:53 2009 app-arch/xz-utils-4.999.9_beta Sun Sep 13 05:57:25 2009 app-portage/portage-utils-0.2.1 Sun Sep 13 06:00:17 2009 dev-lang/swig-1.3.40 Sun Sep 13 06:01:51 2009 sys-apps/sandbox-2.1 Sun Sep 13 06:02:29 2009 app-arch/unzip-6.0-r1 Sun Sep 13 06:02:55 2009 sys-apps/pciutils-3.1.4 Sun Sep 13 06:06:04 2009 app-shells/bash-4.0_p33 Sun Sep 13 06:07:05 2009 mail-filter/bogofilter-1.2.1 Sun Sep 13 06:08:23 2009 media-libs/fontconfig-2.7.2 Sun Sep 13 06:08:38 2009 sys-apps/debianutils-3.2.1-r1 Sun Sep 13 06:08:54 2009 perl-core/Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.021 Sun Sep 13 06:09:11 2009 perl-core/Storable-2.21 Sun Sep 13 06:09:27 2009 perl-core/Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.021 Sun Sep 13 06:09:40 2009 dev-perl/yaml-0.70 Sun Sep 13 06:09:54 2009 dev-util/intltool-0.40.6-r1 Sun Sep 13 06:10:10 2009 dev-perl/HTML-Parser-3.62 Sun Sep 13 06:10:18 2009 virtual/perl-Compress-Raw-Bzip2-2.021 Sun Sep 13 06:10:26 2009 virtual/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.021 Sun Sep 13 06:10:33 2009 virtual/perl-Package-Constants-0.02 Sun Sep 13 06:10:40 2009 virtual/perl-Storable-2.21 Sun Sep 13 06:10:55 2009 perl-core/IO-Compress-2.021 Sun Sep 13 06:11:08 2009 dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-1.30 Sun Sep 13 06:11:16 2009 virtual/perl-IO-Compress-2.021 Sun Sep 13 06:11:29 2009 perl-core/Archive-Tar-1.54 Sun Sep 13 06:11:37 2009 virtual/perl-Archive-Tar-1.54 Sun Sep 13 06:11:55 2009 perl-core/Module-Build-0.35 Sun Sep 13 06:12:02 2009 virtual/perl-Module-Build-0.35 Sun Sep 13 06:13:01 2009 sys-libs/readline-6.0_p4 Sun Sep 13 06:15:11 2009 dev-libs/apr-1.3.8 Sun Sep 13 06:16:08 2009 media-libs/libtheora-1.1_beta3 Sun Sep 13 06:16:50 2009 net-libs/libpcap-1.0.1_pre20090812 Sun Sep 13 06:18:32 2009 dev-db/sqlite-3.6.18 Sun Sep 13 06:18:45 2009 app-emacs/emacs-common-gentoo-1.2 Sun Sep 13 06:38:56 2009 dev-db/mysql-5.0.84-r1 Sun Sep 13 06:39:46 2009 dev-libs/apr-util-1.3.9 Sun Sep 13 06:40:10 2009 dev-perl/DBD-mysql-4.01.2 Sun Sep 13 06:41:33 2009 app-admin/rsyslog-3.22.1 Sun Sep 13 06:42:16 2009 app-admin/apache-tools-2.2.13 Sun Sep 13 06:45:28 2009 www-servers/apache-2.2.13 Sun Sep 13 06:45:35 2009 x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.6 Sun Sep 13 06:46:57 2009 x11-libs/pixman-0.16.0 Sun Sep 13 06:47:32 2009 x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.13 Sun Sep 13 06:47:57 2009 x11-apps/xkbcomp-1.1.0 Sun Sep 13 06:48:15 2009 x11-apps/mkfontscale-1.0.6 Sun Sep 13 06:48:55 2009 x11-libs/libFS-1.0.2 Sun Sep 13 06:49:24 2009 media-fonts/encodings-1.0.2-r1 Sun Sep 13 06:53:39 2009 sys-apps/coreutils-7.5 Sun Sep 13 06:55:54 2009 sys-apps/util-linux-2.16.1 Sun Sep 13 06:57:18 2009 sys-apps/findutils-4.5.5 Sun Sep 13 06:58:22 2009 sys-apps/gawk-3.1.7 Sun Sep 13 06:58:53 2009 sys-apps/net-tools-1.60_p20090728014017-r1 Sun Sep 13 07:00:44 2009 dev-libs/libcdio-0.80-r1 Sun Sep 13 07:05:24 2009 app-portage/eix-0.17.1 Sun Sep 13 07:06:34 2009 app-editors/nano-2.1.10 Sun Sep 13 07:07:22 2009 x11-libs/libSM-1.1.1 Sun Sep 13 07:07:49 2009 sys-apps/help2man-1.36.4-r1 Sun Sep 13 07:09:05 2009 app-i18n/enca-1.10 Sun Sep 13 07:12:17 2009 x11-libs/libXt-1.0.6 Sun Sep 13 07:16:42 2009 net-misc/curl-7.19.6 Sun Sep 13 07:20:33 2009 sys-apps/dbus-1.3.0 Sun Sep 13 07:23:01 2009 x11-misc/x11vnc-0.9.8 Sun Sep 13 07:24:55 2009 x11-libs/libXaw-1.0.6 Sun Sep 13 07:30:42 2009 dev-libs/glib-2.20.5 Sun Sep 13 07:31:37 2009 sys-libs/e2fsprogs-libs-1.41.9 Sun Sep 13 07:31:46 2009 app-arch/rar-3.9.0 Sun Sep 13 07:32:54 2009 media-libs/babl-0.1.0 Sun Sep 13 07:34:39 2009 sys-fs/e2fsprogs-1.41.9 Sun Sep 13 07:35:14 2009 dev-perl/glib-perl-1.222 Sun Sep 13 07:37:19 2009 media-libs/schroedinger-1.0.7-r2 Sun Sep 13 07:37:31 2009 sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.10.906 Sun Sep 13 07:37:50 2009 dev-perl/libwww-perl-5.831 Sun Sep 13 07:38:03 2009 sys-auth/pambase-20090620.1-r1 Sun Sep 13 07:40:05 2009 dev-libs/cyrus-sasl-2.1.23-r1 Sun Sep 13 07:42:03 2009 mail-client/mutt-1.5.20-r5 Sun Sep 13 07:43:41 2009 mail-mta/sendmail-8.14.3-r1 Sun Sep 13 07:52:10 2009
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up correct domainname
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: -The following addresses had permanent fatal errors- email_acco...@isp.com (reason: 550 5.1.0 nag...@myserver.mydomain.com sender rejected : invalid sender domain) -Transcript of session follows - ... while talking to smtp.ISP.com: MAIL From:nag...@myserver.mydomain.com SIZE=745 AUTH= 550 5.1.0 nag...@myserver.mydomain.com sender rejected : invalid sender domain 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable Does this fail because the ISP's reverse DNS on my dynamically allocated IP address resolves to an ISP domain instead of myserver.mydomain.com? Is there something I could change in the configuration of my server to make this work again? I think you might avoid the problem by making sendmail Impersonate your isps domain. Using some or all of these settings in sendmail.mc MASQUERADE_AS(`yourISP.domain')dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`youractual.domain')dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Setting up correct domainname
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: I think you might avoid the problem by making sendmail Impersonate your isps domain. Using some or all of these settings in sendmail.mc MASQUERADE_AS(`yourISP.domain')dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(`youractual.domain')dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl Yes, that should fix the reverse DNS problem alright, but then people who receive email notifications from myserver will be confused by the domain that these messages are sent from. I could also use the ISP's domain for my IP address in the server's /etc/hosts file - although it would have the same problem with regards to the domain that messages are sent from. It is possible to do lots of complicated rewriting with `genericstable', both in and out... maybe that would bare looking into.
[gentoo-user] Re: fcron fetchmail procmail and the why not?
Ward Poelmans wpoel...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 17:34, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: When using the line: @ 5 fetchmail -a nothing happens: The mail remains on the server and can be downloaded with fetchmail -a from the commandline. May be I am a little overhacked today...but what the hack I am doing wrong here? Are you sure the cron job runs? Check the logs. Or try adding: */5 * * * * fetchmail -a in your cron file. Another way to go at it might be to use fetchmails' built in daemon mode (fetchmail -d INTERVAL). And forget about cron.
[gentoo-user] Re: Why am I seeing only black screen in mplayer
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Following my most recent update world of Sept. 13, mplayer only produces a black screen when playing quicktime .mov files. It works for me on ~amd64. I'm using mplayer-1.0_rc4_p20090825 with quicktime USE flag enabled. Playing a quicktime movie shows video codec as ffrpza (from ffmpeg). I use vdpau for video output. Today is the first time emerge has been able to find anything newer than media-video/mplayer-1.0_rc2_p20090731-r1 In any of the nearly a dozen repos I have set in /etc/make.conf. Maybe now I'll see a difference. Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes: [...] you updated ffmpeg. Please rebuild mplayer. It should works afterwards. And in the future: revdep-rebuilt. It is your frined. revdep-rebuild didn't help one whit in this case... as reported earlier in this thread.
[gentoo-user] [ot General Textmode q]
I use a laptop with one of those touch pads you use for a mouse where you drag your finger around on it and have two buttons for left and right mouse. Can any one tell me how to copy with mouse (really the left mouse button provided on the touchpad) but paste from keyboard while in text (console) mode? Or using the touch pad thing somehow. I've tried pressing both touchpad buttons at once to emulate middle mouse but it has no effect. So I'm thinking there must be a way from the keyboard to release the copied string someway to `paste' whatever is currently in the copy buffer or clipboard or whatever it is when you hightlight something in the terminal with left mouse drag. If I hook a real mouse to the laptop.. I can do the normal linux stuff all with mouse.. highlight with left mouse button drag (in a terminal) and paste the highlighted string with middle mouse. So again, how can I effect the above with only the keyboard for pasting or alternatively the touchpad? (The touchpad and two button apparatus built into the laptop) I notice on a windows OS what ever is highlighted anywhere with the mouse can be pasted with C-v. Is there a similar keyboard combo in linux (text) terminal mode?
[gentoo-user] Re: [ot General Textmode q]
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwa...@gmail.com writes: [...] One assumes that console mode means he's not running X. That said, I presume gpm holds the answer. But, I don't run gpm and don't know much about it... James Ausmus james.aus...@gmail.com writes: [...] then edit /etc/conf.d/gpm and add a (or modify an existing uncommented): APPEND=-2 And then the right-click should be paste. Willie Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu writes: [...] I think a possibility is that you have plugged in and used a mouse with three buttons. This forced gpm into 3 button mode, so that the middle button becomes paste and right button is extend selection. Then you poor two-button touchpad has no more paste. To prevent that edit /etc/conf.d/gpm and add APPEND=-2 to force gpm to stick with 2-button mode. Thanks to all for the prompt answers. That solves the touch pad problem. No one responded about the possibility of using the keyboard to do the paste ... and man gpm is silent about it as well, does that mean its not really possible to copy with mouse and paste with keyboard?
[gentoo-user] Re: [ot General Textmode q]
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday 23 September 2009, Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 04:37:15PM -0500, Penguin Lover Harry Putnam squawked: Can any one tell me how to copy with mouse (really the left mouse button provided on the touchpad) but paste from keyboard while in text (console) mode? Or using the touch pad thing somehow. I've tried pressing both touchpad buttons at once to emulate middle mouse but it has no effect. In console the copy-paste is provided by GPM. And I thought GPM paste is right mouse key, not middle key. And I am also pretty sure that GPM does not do third button emulation the way X does. I think a possibility is that you have plugged in and used a mouse with three buttons. This forced gpm into 3 button mode, so that the middle button becomes paste and right button is extend selection. Then you poor two-button touchpad has no more paste. To prevent that edit /etc/conf.d/gpm and add APPEND=-2 to force gpm to stick with 2-button mode. I am not running gpm to test; have you tried the obvious 'Insert', or Shift+I, or Shift+Insert? None of those do what I'm after here. Someone answered that screen can do the kind of thing I talked about ... and yet it can.
[gentoo-user] Re: [ot General Textmode q]
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com writes: On Wednesday 23 September 2009, Willie Wong wrote: On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 04:37:15PM -0500, Penguin Lover Harry Putnam squawked: Can any one tell me how to copy with mouse (really the left mouse button provided on the touchpad) but paste from keyboard while in text (console) mode? Or using the touch pad thing somehow. I've tried pressing both touchpad buttons at once to emulate middle mouse but it has no effect. In console the copy-paste is provided by GPM. And I thought GPM paste is right mouse key, not middle key. And I am also pretty sure that GPM does not do third button emulation the way X does. I think a possibility is that you have plugged in and used a mouse with three buttons. This forced gpm into 3 button mode, so that the middle button becomes paste and right button is extend selection. Then you poor two-button touchpad has no more paste. To prevent that edit /etc/conf.d/gpm and add APPEND=-2 to force gpm to stick with 2-button mode. I am not running gpm to test; have you tried the obvious 'Insert', or Shift+I, or Shift+Insert? None of those do what I'm after here. Someone answered that screen can do the kind of thing I talked about ... and yet it can. ^yes
[gentoo-user] [ot fonts in firefox]
Can anyone here coach me a little about getting a decent look in firefox. I've monkeyed around with the font settings endlessly but it seems I can only get a look where like in a google search.. The hits are displayed in a decent and reasonable size. But the font size in the search box where you enter your terms is much bigger It seams nothing I do in the supplied font adjustment settings has any effect on that font. You can see the window grab here: www.jtan.com/~reader/vu/disp.cgi It doesn't look all that bad but notice how big the font in the search box is compared to the index of hits. The font inside search box is not bold but is a fair bit larger font size than even the headlines in the index of hits. How do you control the font inside that search box? And how do you get a reliable size in the rest of it.. I tried checked and unchecked on the item that says [] let the pages show their own fonts. Doesn't seem to matter either way I've tried numerous setting on the various font sizes available in the Edit/preferences font and advanced dialogs. But I haven't found a combination the just works for most stuff.
[gentoo-user] Abut smb:// aware tools
Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share I don't now how many of you have noticed but bash shell from cygwin on windows has that capability built in. Or maybe it comes from windows env. You can do `cd //linux-host/share' in a bash terminal If command line smb/UNK is not on without lots of diddling around, what about some file managing tool that does it like Konqueror does. Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction.
[gentoo-user] Re: Am I wrong?..
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Grant Edwards wrote: SNIP and my brain just doesn't work the way vi does. I'm with you Grant. Mine doesn't work that way either. You guys do know that Bill Joy was lopsided drunk when he wrote the bulk of vi ... right? (or so it is said by oldtimers) Nobodys' brain works that way on purpose... You have to make it happen with practice (or alcohol). I should know... I've been practicing for 12 yrs and tried the alcohol technique before becoming a teetotaller some time earlier, and still a very long ways from being an adept. Or even a competent for that matter. But still compared to nano, even just the basic open file/ write to file/ close file... is done better and easier from vi. Someone mentioned being surprised to find nano the default in stage3. I was surprised too. My first gentoo installs were several yrs ago now so I expect it now, but it did surprise me quite a bit that first time. I'd already been through the grease with vi so could do basic stuff well enough by that time. However, all that said... it still isn't a big deal having nano there at first ... Install disks are networked right off the bat these days, so its not long before you can emerge vim or emacs, you don't have to put up with nano for long.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: On 10/02/2009 01:56 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Do we have tools other than Konqueror that are aware of smb/UNK addressing? Before you answer please note that: I know about ssh I know about fuse I know about mount -tcifs I'd really like to be able to use UNK addressing from the cmd line. cd //host/share Well, it sounds like you know more about the subject than I do, but do you know about smbmount that comes as part of samba? Seems to me like that's what you're asking for. I had forgotten about smbmount but that too is not the same as being able to cd around with cd //host/share smbmount adds another layer of complexity... and something more to umount or maintain in mounted state... would also add a few more characters to each address. BTW, what is UNK addressing? Sorry ...s/K/C/ Universal Naming Convention... I always think of the sound `UNK' when I think about that style of address...(//host/share), it just slipped into print, but I guess I can't hide the fact that I am largely braindead too.
[gentoo-user] about layman and eix search
How to make eix search an overlay too. The manpage for layman says: You can search through the ebuilds available in the overlays on http://overlays.gentoo.org by using eix. Emerge the package and run update-eix-remote update. But I find no such option in eix or eix --help|grep update or 'man eix' although I do find eix-remote and eix-layman. But not at all clear if either of those can cause eix to search overlays. I don't see any likely use flags to change either at: emerge -vp eix: [ebuild R ] app-portage/eix-0.18.0 USE=bzip2 nls -deprecated -doc -sqlite -tools 0 kB It must be common task for people using overlays... so anyone know how its done.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: [...] Well, it sounds like you know more about the subject than I do, but do you know about smbmount that comes as part of samba? Seems to me like that's what you're asking for. I had forgotten about smbmount but that too is not the same as being able to cd around with cd //host/share... Hm. I'm wondering if you come from a Windows background and are new to the world of *ix? I started my computer life on linux 1996.. only moved to windows for some things when editing video (I like the adobe tools... and linux just doesn't have anything remotely comparable.) I admit having a very thick skull, but I also have quite a lot of time on linux and solaris...so a little has soaked into even my thick skull. It took me quite a while to learn much about windows. And it still seems horribly awkward... especially when moving around in the file system. Its so much slower and time wasting to have to navigate by clickety clack in something like the navigation windows that open for on most applications.. I most windows applications, if you want to load a new file... the navigation starts at My Documents... a place where just about nothing I do should be kept. So you must navigate to wherever it is over and over, while working on windows. I do know a few short cuts to use but still the basic fact is that overtime a very lot of time goes into just moving around on winows. .. That's the only way I can make sense of the paragraph above. Maybe because you left out most of it? I had forgotten about smbmount but that too is not the same as being able to cd around with cd //host/share smbmount adds another layer of complexity... and something more to umount or maintain in mounted state... would also add a few more characters to each address. In order to cd to a file system (like smbfs) that file system must first be 'mounted' on a mount-point e.g. /mnt/ or /shares/ or wherever you choose to put it. That mounting can be automated and transparent to the user, as Dirk said, but it must be done somehow before you can cd to it. Hence my comment smbmount adds another layer of complexity... Hence my comment would also add a few more characters to each address. Someone has to configure it... and manintain it thru a new install. If or when that comes up. It may not be terribly difficult... but it does need to be done. Just like partitons like /root, /var, /tmp, /usr, /home and the rest must be mounted before they can be used by anyone, including the OS. This is done automatically during bootup so you don't need to do it yourself. Same with network shares. Its done automatically only if you make that happen by some configuration. It may be worth it though... and like I said.. I'd forgotten about smbmount and really have never gotten envolved with automounting things...other than one major nfs share keep on a solaris zfs server. automounting is somewhat new in linux... it was not commonly used when I started out. I hope I'm not misunderstanding and giving you an unneeded lecture :o) Its always a good thing to have the basics hammered into your head. You might notice that most boxing matches are won by really basic techniques like keeping that jab out there. Or slipping punches that would really do damage if you didn't know how to move with it when you can. So no harm revisiting basic stuff. Maybe you didn't notice my reference to cygwin bash on windows being able to navigate via UNC. It takes only creating shares to offer thru samba, for cygwin bash to be able to navigate them with cd //host/share. No mounting, or if there is, I didn't have to specifically configure it. Smb is native to windows... so maybe that is the reason.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: Emacs is said to be able to do this using tramp but I haven't ever gotten it to work. Konqueror can do it... but I don't run kde, and don't really want to fiddle with it in that direction. Midnight Commander can do it. Haa, there is an old time tool... what do I need to use in `eix' to find it. `eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander' Does it have a different name in portage? I did find a vimcommander... maybe that will have the functionality too, since it says it has a commander style interface.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hmm, Not commonly used, don't know. First versions of autofs date back to April 97, amd is much older, I think. So no, automounting is NOT new in Linux, it's there for over a decade now. At nearly 70, I can call a decade `fairly recent'. I have to beg to differ here... I don't mean your statements about when it appeared... Linux is much older than 1997... and as I said I started a little before that... At that time there were not many users at all not to mention users using automounting. I'd hazard a guess that total users was not much over 150,000 or so... just an idle guess though. The newbies like me were definitely not using it linux then took much more config than it does today... even on gentoo today. You could easily spend 2 or more wks getting X up... or even getting it to boot. Building your own kernel was well out of the grasp of newbies at that time. So in that atmosphere... its not true that automount was in common use.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Hi, I really wonder about this discussion. This tool can do it, that tool can do it, the other one, too. WTF? No problem, don't read it. Just mount the damn share and _EVERY_ tool can access it. So what? Settle down bub... you're not in a barroom here. Ease up.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: Am Samstag 03 Oktober 2009 17:31:28 schrieb Harry Putnam: `eix midnight' fails as does `eix commander' Does it have a different name in portage? No, it has the same name as everywhere: mc ;-) Dirk, Your wisacre additions are really starting to wear on me. Have you been on a binge or something... and need a few days rest. If it had the same name everywhere... Paul Hartman wouldn't have called it `Midnight Commander' would he. So it has at least 2 names Jesus bud, lighten up or quit the thread, if it getting to be too much for you.
[gentoo-user] Re: about layman and eix search
Roy Wright r...@wright.org writes: update-eix-remote is an executable, not an option to the eix executable. After running update-eix-remote your normal eix queries will include overlays. Ha.. no wonder I didn't find it. However its not a part of the eix package nor is it visible on portage. At least equery files eix|grep remote fails to show it and `eix eix-remote' fails as well.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: [...] Nifty, I didn't know that. Amazing what mc can do. Couple of points that are not obvious in case Harry wants to try mc: it needs to be compiled with the samba USE flag set; and you access your samba shares using the Right or Left dropdown menus at the top of the mc window. Thanks... I never liked mc even in the old days... always preferring the cmd line or emacs, But that aside yes it does work. And just for your own info you can cd around direct from the cmd line too... just need the right syntax... and get prompted for a passwd. (cd /#smb:host/share) But the interface is so far removed from a common shell prompt and seems really crippled by comparison, that it would take more than a little diddling around to get some real use out of it. Appears not to have cmd memory or readline type history at the cmd prompt... at least not by default or with some reasonable key press. Also it appears not to be able to execute commands on non-local fs. After cd'ing into a remote machine and being prompted for passwd... if I type `ls' enter it brings up a red error saying Error! Cannot execute commands on non-local filesystems. Maybe all this can be configured away I don't think I want to mess with it really... but yes it does have the capability.
[gentoo-user] Re: about layman and eix search
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: [...] It must be common task for people using overlays... so anyone know how its done. Hi, Create the file /etc/eix-sync.conf with this one character in it: * Then you can simply run eix-sync to automatically sync your overlays, main portage tree, and update the EIX cache. Afterward it will show you what is new or has changed. No need to run layman -S or emerge --sync ever again. :) Also, if you have any overlays that don't include metadata, you can add lines like this beneath the asterisk in eix-sync.conf to make it generate cache for them: !egencache --repo=theoverlayname --update At least that's how I do it. Nice... I do use eix-sync for a good while now... but had not synced since installing layman... and found the out of date directions posted earlier. ... I didn't realize eix-sync would synchronize overlays too... I've never had an overlay before. ... I'm setting up `sunshine' now thanks.
[gentoo-user] Re: Abut smb:// aware tools
Neil Walker n...@ep.mine.nu writes: Linux is much older than 1997... Not at all. [...] I really meant unix... where most of linux cmds and base tools comes from. But as people do unix/linux is often thought of as one kind of thing. [...] Hmm. Most of the people who used (actually, played with because it wasn't a usable operating system until much later) Linux in the early days came from Minix. Remember that? Newbies to Linux were not newbies to computers and operating systems. Far from it, most were pretty adept DOS hackers. [...] You seem to have entirely forgotten what Linux actually was in the 1990s. It was actually a hacker's paradise. There were NO newbies in the sense of people who were new to computers using Linux. The very nature of Linux users in those days was that they were experimental, had some (if not considerable) knowledge and were keen to try any new gizmo that came along and, if there wasn't one, develop their own. Indeed, that's exactly how and why Linux is where it is now. No I didn't forget... I knew nothing whatever about a computer in the 90s you are talking about. My only knowledge of a computer came from things like seeing the girl at the unemployment office bring up my records. And not even all unemployment offices had computers yet. My first encounter with a computer or home computing started in 1996. Right from scratch. I think you've got this a little back assward.. lots of commentary with `quite honestly, `definitely not' and other sorts of comments indicating a deep knowledge are a bunch of hooey. You may remember some things... but you do not have a good picture of what the lower echelons was like. That hardcore of experimenters that are the folks who really put linux on the map was growing rapidly.. Just as the new user base was. In the yrs I mentioned (96 upward) newbies were flocking to linux. Some old timers complained about it bitterly on linux News/Mail groups. How the linux network was getting watered down with a bunch of numbskulls and etc. FWIW, I have been involved with computers one way or another since 1969 (a few months before Man set foot upon the moon). Then you would have had quite a different view of the lower levels of the linux movement. And it was a movement then... Yes there were a hard core of quite adept hackers... many of them were very willing to offer help to newcomers back then. All the main mail groups or newsgroups had a cadre of true experts... much like today. That core of experienced grew quickly too. There were lots of meetings around the country of the `lugs' where newer people brought machines and more experienced users helped them get an OS on it and running. You don't hear that anymore, the OSs are much easier to install and configure. One guy from Alaska... whos name I have forgotten... took me in hand for several wks... walked me thru lots of stuff off the lists. and even by phone with me in California, It's really a shame I've forgotten his name... kind of embarrassing, because he spent a good bit of time coaching me for a while. But the influx was already growing quickly as can be seen from the huge user base that happened in those 10-12 yrs. So at least from 96 on your picture ain't cutting it. I'd guess the user base expanded several hundred percent from say 95 to 2005. To say there weren't linux newbies is silly. Not to mention wrong.
[gentoo-user] About layman... and the color output
New to layman but after at least a semi-careful look thru man layman I don't find anything explaining what the different color asterisks mean. I didn't read every word but scanned the whole thing twice and did a few searchs like /color and /output But those didn't do much good. Anyone know what red/green/yellow signify... level of caution?
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Linux as a first platform? Was: Abut smb:// aware tools
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: In separate posts, Harry Putnam wrote: I started my computer life on linux 1996.. only moved to windows for some things when editing video (I like the adobe tools... and linux just doesn't have anything remotely comparable.) ... I knew nothing whatever about a computer in the 90s you are talking about. My only knowledge of a computer came from things like seeing the girl at the unemployment office bring up my records. And not even all unemployment offices had computers yet. My first encounter with a computer or home computing started in 1996. Right from scratch. Hi there, Out of curiosity, why did you choose Linux as your first platform? [...] My family had a BBC Micro as a home computer when I was a kid and then later (but still late 1980s) a 286 or so running DOS, but I returned to computing at around the same time, 1996. Someone gave me an old PC which I got running and I then did my first self-build of a c 150mhz Pentium-class system. At that time it seemed obvious to me to install Windows 95. I had used Windows 3.1 at the mother-in-law's on a handful of occasions, and seen it in other people's offices. Win95 had been released with fanfare the previous year. Quite an interesting story. I can only guess that you had some previous background in electronics, because I did not learn of Linux until c 2000 (although I was inactive in computing for a couple of years 1998 - 1999). Until then (pretty much) as far as I was concerned, all PCs run DOS or Windows. Could you possibly explain what led to to choose Linux as your first platform? I would love to hear from anyone else who has managed to completely skip the mainstream o/s (by which I mean Windows and Mac). Sure... nothing more inviting to a windbag than a request to talk about himself... My background may be a bit different from most computer oriented people. I was born in Wyoming. Way out in the boonies. Things there were backward even for the times. We had no Electricity or running water. Left there at age 7. Later after our family had moved first to Las Vegas and then to California. I became a helper in a big shipyard in San Diego. My dad worked there and helped me get the job... I was 17. I learned the trade of welding... which carried me pretty much the rest of my life. I quit high school about that same time. And only got my GED years and years later when I was about 50. I moved to Chicago in 1972 and thru work in a local shipyard... now gone, I became a construction boilermaker. Working in power plants and refineries all around the midwest and west. So I have no higher education... every little bit I managed to get thru my hard head is self taught... or maybe taught by help lists and reading along with lots of experimentation. So, finally cutting to the chase now, I got a divorce around 1987 and went back out to California where union construction wages for boilermakers was quite a lot higher. After a couple years I got together with a girl out there and started seeing a lot of her... around 1992. By 1994 we were married... She worked as a clerical worker on the campus of the University of Cal at Santa Barbara... (a job had brought me up their from the LA area around 1992. Building an Exxon refinery about 20 miles north of Santa Barbara. It turned in to a 2 yr stint which is a long time on one project for a boilermaker... our jobs are usually measured in a few mnths or less). She worked with computers every day.. but I still knew nothing whatever about them. She also was very good friends with a couple for yrs, The guy was the `network' guy for UCSB a network system admin on most of there computer networks. Largely unix of one stripe or another. (Yeah I'm finally getting there) Over a yr or two I too became very good friends with him. As it turned out he had a son who was a troublesome handful.. a kid about 13 or so at the time. Me and this kid hit it off pretty well and I sort of took it on myself to try to help him along... it turned out he did more helping along than I did. He was a linux advocate... a slackware guy, having learned about Unix from his dad.. and I guess Linux too.. It was really him who got me interested I started to see where that `computer stuff' was really nothing more than a very highly developed tool. I was a guy who liked good tools and had used many of every description. My young friend taught me very basic scripting and from there it was a love affair... I saw it as a really advanced and adjustable tool. I'll admit it has been quite a battle. That young man was an order of magnitude brighter than me so he was getting well into it... but I caught hell for several yrs still really. I've got to admit to finding it very hard to learn my way around with computer languages...Or admin'ing linux, at that time the languages weren't really even programming languages (I mean the ones I took up) just
[gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: I also know the SysReq key trick now. It can take you back to a console. I'll bite ... what is it?
[gentoo-user] Re: Fed up with Xorg + hal mess [SOLVED]
Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org writes: I'm curious about the actual key strokes. Is it Alt-SysRq and then REISUB And what is `SysRq' a reference to on a keyboard?
[gentoo-user] Re: commands to show where a package is installed?
Zhengquan Zhang zhang.zhengq...@gmail.com writes: 2009/10/9 Justin jus...@j-schmitz.net: Zhengquan Zhang wrote: Hi, Gentoo users, I am new to gentoo and am wondering if there is a command to show where a package is installed? which file is installed in which directory? Thanks a lot, emerge app-portage/portage-utils and go with qlist package Exactly, Thanks a bunch, There is also `equery' emerge app-portage/gentoolkit equery files pkgname (without version number) It can do a few things that q can't and vice-versa if I recall correctly.
[gentoo-user] Re: commands to show where a package is installed?
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: Zhengquan Zhang wrote: Hi, Gentoo users, I am new to gentoo and am wondering if there is a command to show where a package is installed? which file is installed in which directory? Thanks a lot, I'm not sure this is what you are talking about but this may help: equery files package name emerge gentoolkit for that command. Gack... sorry Dale ... somehow I didn't see that you had already mentioned equery.
[gentoo-user] [OT Xfce4/KDE] A URL aware applet
I once was a KDE desktop user... Lasted quite a while. But over time I went to Xfce4 Been using it now a good while, but one applet from KDE is sorely missed. There was some kind of panel applet, that was URL aware. Any time you highlighted text that looked like some kind of URL, a dialog window would open and offer to open it with whatever application normally opened such a URL. You might highlight a URL in a man page, text file, or even in the scrollback buffer and the dialog would be right there offering to open it. I wondered if there is anything like that for Xfce and if anyone knows what that applet it? I am awaiting an answer from Xfce user list on the same question.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT Xfce4/KDE] A URL aware applet
Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz writes: Then, whenever I know I have some url selected (I don't need an applet to tell me) I just have to press the key combination and off it goes. :-) Thanks for the input and example. The applet I'm remembering was very unobtrusive... the one recommended here by hp_sebastian.. also is very unobtrusive.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT Xfce4/KDE] A URL aware applet
hp_sebastian hp_sebast...@supersein.de writes: xfce-extra/xfce4-clipman-plugin Thank, that looks pretty flexible.
[gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile
My profile has been ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0 starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and to update to default/linux/x86/10.0 I've forgotten about how this is done. Is it just a matter of ln -sf /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ? Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package? A quick google with site:gentoo.org change profile shows dozens of hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise walk-thru.
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: [1] default/linux/x86/10.0 * [2] default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop [3] default/linux/x86/10.0/developer [4] default/linux/x86/10.0/server [5] hardened/linux/x86/10.0 [6] selinux/2007.0/x86 [7] selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened [8] selinux/v2refpolicy/x86 [9] selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop [10] selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer [11] selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened [12] selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server rattus ~ # In almost all cases [2] or [4] is a better choice than [1] Alan, what does it get you? In fact what does `developer' buy you?
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile
Jonathan Callen a...@gentoo.org writes: Harry Putnam wrote: In fact what does `developer' buy you? Among other things, it enables I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING, which tells you the expected audience :). Seriously, the developer profiles are mainly for Gentoo Devs, people who are going to be doing a lot of debugging and testing of ebuilds. If you don't know if this is you, it isn't. He he... well put I guess... but I've found over time in other aspects of the linux/unix world... that what is intended for devs or other `adepts' can often have useful stuff even for a pea-brain like me. It doesn't mean you have to get involved in actual developement.
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: Alan, what does it get you? In fact what does `developer' buy you? x86/10.0 gives you a baseline for that release x86/10.0/desktop|developer|server give you a profile more suited (tweaked) for that kind of usage. [...] Nice.. thanks I see I already have most of use flags in the desktop, and already have apache and mysql too.. so looks like I'm good to go but for changing the symlink.
[gentoo-user] Re: public mail server for ELOG?
Grant emailgr...@gmail.com writes: [...] So I need a relay somewhere along with ssmtp to get a message to an email address? Yes, and I know of at least one that will work for you. If you have a newsguy mail account, newsguy's smtp servers will allow you to connect regardless of your laptops' outward IP. (unless it is a blackballed Domain or something) Don't now if its worth it to you to pay for a newsguy mail account but I think that would work. It has for me in the past. I recommend using sendmail not ssmtp. Sendmail is better documented than any of the others... well at least ones I have fiddled with. I suppose ssmtp is all you need but why not use the real McCoy? Its easy enough to setup. And in fact setting up sendmail to `masquerade' your IP as the domain of your mail account is easy enough, and that alone may get what you want to work. So you would setup sendmail to use your mail accounts smtp server as what is called the `SMART_HOST', and to masquerade your domain as well as the all important `Envelope' (The real sender of mail info) The gotcha here is that any of the methods offered will almost certainly require a username and passwd to connect to the smtp server. In the case of sendmail it would be in a root owned file in /etc/mail that I believe can be set chmod 600. I'll try it and let you know if you are interested.
[gentoo-user] video capture from min-dv... kernel params
My windowsXP video editing machine where I use various adobe tools to capture and edit video, has lost use of the ohci ports, and seemingly the usb ports as well. I've been seeing problems with those inputs for a while and today, finally the machine simply is not `seeing' the video cam attached to either of two ohci (1394) inputs. Unistall/re-install drivers etc... no soap. I'm going to need a pci card and will change over to 1394b when I get it. Hoping to use gentoo platform to capture video. Googling around this morning, I hoped to find a howto that at least listed what has to be compiled kernel wise. There is a vast amount of hits with strings like `gentoo howto capture video' `linux capture video' but an awful lot of it is anecdotal stuff from forums, seems to be lots of stuff about mythtv, and webcams and of course lots of what turns up is ancient (well, 3-5 yrs old). I wondered if anyone here has used gentoo for mini-dv capture and if so what do I need to do regarding the kernel? I see apps called dvgrab and kino show up in many of the hits too. Is it just a matter of building specific modules or turning on certain parameters in the kernel? Are the tools dvgrab or kino self contained enough that I could do the the capture with one or the other alone? I'm not really concerned with the editing, and will transfer the captured clips to a winxp machine where I can use Adobe premiere to edit them.
[gentoo-user] Kernel upgrading and linux symlink
Looking at the kernel upgrade pages at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/kernel-upgrade.xml Its a bit confusing about the symlink creation. I've wondered about it a few times. At the top, you're told how to get the sources and then a discussion of the symlink follows. It appears you are expected to change the symlink to the newly installed sources. But then it says: 4. Updating the /usr/src/linux symbolic link Gentoo requires that the /usr/src/linux symbolic link points to the sources of the kernel you are running. So if gentoo `requires' the symlink to point to the running kernel why are we changing it to the newly installed but not yet compiled or started kernel? And in fact does it really matter if its pointing at the newly installed or actual running kernel, when kernel compiling operations take place?
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel upgrading and linux symlink
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de writes: The link is created only if you have the symlink USE flag enabled. Also, Gentoo requires that the [...] symbolic link points to the sources of the kernel you are running is not entirely correct. It is required only when you want to build something against that kernel. . . . . Obviously, you need to create the symlink if you want to build the newly installed kernel, even though the system is still running an older one. Why is that obvious? That's what seemed confusing to me. Nothing about creating it with USE=symlin, eselect, or by hand is a problem. Or hard to follow, and I've always just done it by hand.
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel upgrading and linux symlink
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: Nikos is being kind to the document writers :-) Thanks for saving me from the Dunce cap...hehe. But I might yet acquire full rights to it.. So, is the symlink not really necessary? Doe something look at /usr/src/linux for files? For example, if you cd 'ed into the sources top dir. And started `make' (after the makeconfig step), would it matter if there was a symlink or not? (In the instant case I did create the symlink looking at newest sources, so all is well I hope... have yet to boot the creation. Waiting on some emerging left in emerge -vuD system)
[gentoo-user] More about hal
When I noticed the thread here about `hal' that started a while back it caused me enough curiousity that i ran eix -Ic ^hal$ but found I have no `hal' installed. I have keep up with updates somewhat better than usual the last few months but don't remember when hal went away... I do remember having some trouble with keyboard/mouse, and hal not starting, but that was quite a while back. I don't remember making a conscious effort to get rid of hal either. Evey thing seems to work ok here. I do notice a problem on bootup where the keyboard/mouse I have attached to a KVM does not become usable until AFTER the grub prompt. Somewhere between there and the appearance of the login prompt it becomes usable. But that has gone on at least a yr if not longer. So is there something wrong if I have no hal installed. Is it just not necessary or has it been replaced?
[gentoo-user] libsxlt and aclocal/autoconf failing during emerge
Can anyone tell from the tail of emerge -vuD system what the trouble is with aclocal/autoconf and libxslt. First it failed on aclocal... I re-emerged emerge -v sys-devel/aclocal-wrapper Tried again and it failed on autoconf emerge -v sys-devel/autoconf-wrapper But that didn't help it ... still fails at autoconf. [...] Preparing source in /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/work/libxslt-1.1.26 ... * Applying libxslt.m4-libxslt-1.1.26.patch ... [ ok ] * Applying libxslt-1.1.23-parallel-install.patch ... [ ok ] * Applying libxslt-1.1.26-undefined.patch ...[ ok ] * Running eautoreconf in '/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/work/libxslt-1.1.26' ... * Running aclocal ...[ ok ] * Running autoconf ... [ !! ] * Failed Running autoconf ! * * Include in your bugreport the contents of: * * /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/temp/autoconf.out * ERROR: dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26 failed: * Failed Running autoconf ! * * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 49: Called src_prepare * environment, line 2797: Called eautoreconf * environment, line 944: Called eautoconf * environment, line 886: Called autotools_run_tool 'autoconf' * environment, line 425: Called die * The specific snippet of code: * die Failed Running $1 !;
[gentoo-user] Re: libsxlt and aclocal/autoconf failing during emerge
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: On 10/31/2009 06:03 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Can anyone tell from the tail of emerge -vuD system what the trouble is with aclocal/autoconf and libxslt. ... * Failed Running autoconf ! * * Include in your bugreport the contents of: * /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/temp/autoconf.out Chances are that the file cited above will give a hint. Does that file contain any error messages? Sorry, I hoped someone would have had the same problem and just recognize the tail messages. /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/temp/autoconf.out * autoconf * * PWD: /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/work/libxslt-1.1.26 * autoconf configure.in:120: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:121: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL They don't mean anything to me... do that to you?
[gentoo-user] Re: libsxlt and aclocal/autoconf failing during emerge
walt w41...@gmail.com writes:
On 10/31/2009 07:05 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
...
/var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/temp/autoconf.out
* autoconf *
* PWD: /var/tmp/portage/dev-libs/libxslt-1.1.26/work/libxslt-1.1.26
* autoconf
configure.in:120: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL
If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.in:121: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
If I'm interpreting things correctly (unlikely) those two macros are defined
in /usr/share/libtool/libtld/aclocal.m4, which belongs to the libtool package.
(On my machine, sys-devel/libtool-2.2.6a).
Do you have such a file/package on your machine?
I have libtool installed but not that new of version. In fact portage
doesn't show that new a version being available for ~x86, as of this
mornings sync.. (Its masked here)
reader eix sys-devel/libtool
[I] sys-devel/libtool
Available versions:
(1.3) 1.3.5
(1.5) 1.5.26 (~)1.5.26-r1 [m]2.2.6a [m]**
{test vanilla}
Installed versions: 1.5.26-r1(1.5)(14:09:44 10/31/09)
Homepage:http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/
Description: A shared library tool for developers
[gentoo-user] When masked pkg not in [...]profiles/package.mask, where is it
When a package comes up as masked in an eix search, they are usually
found in /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask, but if a particular
masked package is not listed there... where else would it be.
I see libtool is masked above version 1.5.26-r1, but is not in
/usr/portage/profiles/package.mask...
grep libtool /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask
nothing
Where else to look?
Even this: search
find /usr/portage/ -name 'package.mask' -exec grep libtool {} \;
# Some weird libtool breakage on Solaris and Darwin
Only finds the cited comment.
[gentoo-user] Re: When masked pkg not in [...]profiles/package.mask, where is it
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: failing that, look in /etc/portage/package.mask* Sure enough... I masked it.. but like Dick Cheney, I don't recall it. Ahh the joys of senility
[gentoo-user] Re: libsxlt and aclocal/autoconf failing during emerge
Marc Joliet mar...@gmx.de writes: Wait, but those are small 'm's. That means they must have been masked manually. As Alan McKinnon mentioned in your other thread (When masked pkg not in [...]profiles/package.mask, where is it), you might have an entry in /etc/portage/package.mask. My god... I'm really losing it. I masked it apparently but don't remember it.
[gentoo-user] Re: revdep-rebuild vs. @preserved-rebuild
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: You read the message, run @preserved-rebuild and x now links to the new y library. When everything in @preserved-rebuild has been rebuilt, portage knows that now nothing links to the old y library, and removes it. Alan, I haven't followed the introduction of @preserved-rebuild, but you comments make sound like something that happens as emerge is running. Or is it use like its predecessor and ran after a large merge or update?
[gentoo-user] new version of gcc
I noticed I've been masking gcc beyond version 4.3.2-r3, and have forgotten why I had it masked. I'm updating world right now, and wondered if I were to move up to most recent gcc (4.4.2), which would be a 5 version jump, what I could expect in the way of problems. Would I need to re-emerge just about everything?
[gentoo-user] Re: new version of gcc
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes: Harry asked: Would I need to re-emerge just about everything? Volker answered: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gentoo+gcc+upgrade+guidel=1 Quoted from http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml , | To be completely safe that your system is in a sane state, you must | rebuild the toolchain and then world to make use of the new compiler. ` I guess that is a yes.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes: your drivers for the ide disks have to be built INTO THE KERNEL! NOT MODULES. Is that really a hard rule? I've done it both ways successfully in the past. And in fact, I didn't record my first builds on this kernel but I'm pretty sure my first build did have all PIIX stuff built in. Not to be argumentative but did you notice that both old and new kernel have exactly the same module and built-ins concerning PIIX Yet one recognizes /dev/hda5 and runs and the other doesn't zgrep PIIX /proc/config.gz (this is 2.6.30-r1) CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=y # CONFIG_PATA_OLDPIIX is not set CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m Try the same thing on the newbuild: grep PIIX /usr/src/linux/.config 2.6.31-r4 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=y # CONFIG_PATA_OLDPIIX is not set CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m Also, you need to compile in the filesystem, not as module. Again, I've done it both ways successfully in the past. Why do we have module choices for these things? ---- ---=--- - So is that all you see in the failed boot messages that gives any clue to why it fails. I'm building them in on this build... I hope it works But am I missing some critical driver?
[gentoo-user] Re: new version of gcc
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:03:24 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: Turns out I have bigger problems. ( I didn't upgrade gcc) but the things I did upgrad in upgrade system followed by upgrade world. Have messed up mouse and keyboard in X. Did you follow the elog instructions about re-emerging drivers? As I started trying to do something with this problem.. I first re-emerged xorg-server... and then saw the message you refer too. So getting that done now.
[gentoo-user] kernel build - back in the soup.
I'll say right from the start, that building a new kernel, has always been a problem for me. I don't remember ever not having a problem, in 10+ yrs.. Many people here seem to find it completely easy... not me. So I'm back in the soup. [I hope what I try to layout below is not overly confusing] (After install of gentoo-sources-2.6.31-r4) I started with `make oldconfig' Moved from that to `make menuconfig' Trying to mimic all the needed drivers in current running kernel. But, On the first build and reboot, I got `kernel panic' So by now I've rebuilt the kernel 4 times, each time trying to get the new one to have all the needed drivers that are present in the old one, but still getting `kernel panic'. I tried closely comparing the current working kernel with newly built one. I mean side by side with `make menuconfig' running in both sources. I cannot tell what it is I'm overlooking. I copied the latest output painfully off the boot screen, and best I can make of it, a driver required to let the kernel recognize the filesystem that / is on, is not getting loaded. I think its one of PIIX items. The thing is, I cannot find the culprit. For example, examining the PIIX items in the working kernel and inserting here: zgrep PIIX /proc/config.gz CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=y # CONFIG_PATA_OLDPIIX is not set CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m Try the same thing on the newbuild: grep PIIX /usr/src/linux/.config CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m CONFIG_PATA_MPIIX=y # CONFIG_PATA_OLDPIIX is not set CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4=m So maybe it is not even related to PIIX But let me insert the kernel messages from a failed boot here: (I've numbered the lines from the bad boot output so as not confuse them with the good boot messages from kernel 2.6.30-r1 ---- ---=--- - From Kernel 2.6.31-r4 1 hda: ST3160021A, ATA DISK drive 2 hdb: WDC SE3000JB-00KFA0, ATA DISK drive 3 hda: UDMA/100 mode selected 4 hdb: UDMA/100 mode selected 5 hdc: LITE-ON CD-ROM LTN-5291s, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive 6 hdd: WDC WD16000JB-00EVA0, ATA DISK drive 7 hdc: UDMA/33 mode selected 8 hdd: UDMA/100 mode selected 9 IDE0 at 0x1f0-0X1f7,0X3f6 on irg 14 10 IDE0 at 0x170-0X177,0X376 on irg 15 ---- ---=--- - NOTE: Comparing a similar section of dmesg from working kernel 2.6.30-r1 Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver piix :00:1f.1: IDE controller (0x8086:0x24db rev 0x02) PIIX_IDE :00:1f.1: enabling device (0005 - 0007) ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 10 PCI: setting IRQ 10 as level-triggered PIIX_IDE :00:1f.1: PCI INT A - Link[LNKC] - GSI 10 (level, low) - IRQ 10 piix :00:1f.1: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later ide0: BM-DMA at 0xfc00-0xfc07 ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f ** The part above, I think is where a piix driver is loaded or something (these messages from working kernel 2.6.30-r1) Probing IDE interface ide0... Switched to high resolution mode on CPU 0 hda: ST3160021A, ATA DISK drive hdb: WDC WD3000JB-00KFA0, ATA DISK drive hda: host max PIO4 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4 hda: UDMA/100 mode selected hdb: host max PIO4 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4 hdb: UDMA/100 mode selected Probing IDE interface ide1... hdc: LITE-ON CD-ROM LTN-5291S, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive hdd: WDC WD1600JB-00EVA0, ATA DISK drive hdc: host max PIO4 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4 hdc: UDMA/33 mode selected hdd: host max PIO4 wanted PIO255(auto-tune) selected PIO4 hdd: UDMA/100 mode selected [...] snipped the rest of dmesg ouput from running kernel 2.6.30.1 ---- ---=--- - (continuation of messages from failed boot of kernel-2.6.31-r4 11 ide_generic: please use probe_mask=0x3f module parameters for probing all legacy IS IDE ports 12 ide-cd driver 5.00 13 ide cd:hdc: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM drive 96kB Cache 14 Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.10 15 Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver version - 7.3.21-k3-NAPI 16 Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation 17 e1000e: Intel(R) Pro/1000 Network Driver, 1.0.2-k2 18: e1000e: Copyright(c) 1999-2008 Intel Corporation 19: e100: Intel (R) PRO/100 Network Driver 3.5.24-k-NAPI 20: e100: Copyright blah blah 21: sky2 driver version 1.23 22: r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded 23: r8169 :02:03:0: PCI INT A - GSI 19 (level,low) - IRQ 19 24: r8169 :02:03:0: no PCI Experss capability 25: eth0 RTL8110s at 0xf8026f00, 00:40:f4:b5:29:41, XID 0400 IRQ 20 26: r8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver 2.3LK-NAPI loaded 27: r8169 :02:06:0: PCI INT A - GSI 20 (level,low) - IRQ 20 28: r8169 :02:06:0: no PCI Experss capability 29: eth1 RTL8110s at 0xf802ae00, 00:11:09:ee:6c:04, XID 0400 IRQ 20 30: PnP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K] at 0x60,0x64 IRQ 1 31: PnP: PS/2
[gentoo-user] Re: new version of gcc
Nice... good advice all around. Thanks posters. Turns out I have bigger problems. ( I didn't upgrade gcc) but the things I did upgrad in upgrade system followed by upgrade world. Have messed up mouse and keyboard in X. But even that, is a lesser problem than my kernel build ends up in a kernel panic (I did upgrade that) But I will start a new thread about that.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: There's no reason to use menuconfig after running oldconfig, If your old kernel was using all of the hardware, then the new kernel should, too, just with oldconfig. I don't know about that. I found a whole lot of stuff different when I ran menuconfig and checked the old and new settings. I just made a partial list by comparing the oldkernel settings in menuconfig and the new kernel after running make oldconfig. And this is only SOME of them, got tired of it part way thru: Some of these really seem like they should have ended up marked the same after oldconfig ---- ---=--- - Automatically append version string on in old off in new BSD accounting off in old On in new Export Task process thru netlink off in old, on in new Auditing support off in old, on in new Namespc support all off in old all on in new. Network support/wireless off in old, on in new Amatuer radio support off in old, on in new RFswitch subsys support off in old On in new Networking/ multicasting off in old on in new Advanced router off in old On in new BOOTTP off in old on in new RARP off in old on in new TCP advanced congestion control off in old, on in new. ipv6 off in old, on in new I gave up after that... so if you think oldconfig means you get the same settings by and large... it doesn't.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
hamilton hamil...@pobox.com writes: On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:02:18 -0800, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/03/2009 02:29 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: I'll say right from the start, that building a new kernel, has always been a problem for me. I don't remember ever not having a problem, in 10+ yrs.. Many people here seem to find it completely easy... not me. So I'm back in the soup. [I hope what I try to layout below is not overly confusing] (After install of gentoo-sources-2.6.31-r4) Just checking - but you didn't mention: did you copy the .config to the new kernel src directory? If not, that would certainly explain the disparity in configuration settings you're seeing. I think you can say make `oldconfig' and the `old config' is supposed to be incorporated so no I didn't If I had put .confg into the new sources, then plain make menuconfig is what I would have used. Do you know where the man pages or docs for that stuff is .. its not in `man make' I'd like to check some of that.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
John H. Moe john...@optusnet.com.au writes: I stopped using that option in my systems, as there is now a AHCI SATA option to use instead. It appears CONFIG_ATA_SFF (which CONFIG_ATA_PIIX requires) is deprecated. From the help on it: Do you notice some kind of difference from switching?
[gentoo-user] fsck date problem during boot
I've been fiddling with a new kernel, and have had several occasions to reboot lately. If I mounted /boot to cp the new kernel etc over, I have a problem on reboot for sure. Somehow the date of last fsck on /boot is seen as `in the future' so fsck fails on /dev/had1 (/boot). Which means nearly all other boot time services also fail. So I end up logging into a system with no services running and only `/' mounted. At that point, I run fsck /dev/hda1 which finds a date error, fixes it and then reboot... this time everything works, and if I don't mount /boot a reboot just works... but if I end up having to fiddle further with kernel, mount /boot to copy over etc. On reboot the same problem occurs. I tried to get ahead of the game by umounting /boot after cp over kernel and running fsck on it before reboot. fsck doesn't find a problem. But at reboot... the same problem occurs. What it means is every reboot requires 2 reboots (if I mounted /boot) I'm guessing its some kind of timing problem with events during boot. But not sure what to do about it. The clock can't be getting that far off in a few seconds, and is reset when ntp-client runs. So I don't understand the error saying `in the future'.
[gentoo-user] Another angle on hal/xorg thread
I didn't want to derail the ongoing thread about hal/xorg with this question there. Far as I remember I haven't done anything special concerning hal but at some point hal disappeared. And is not on my system anymore. I've always used and /etc/X11/xorg.conf file for starting X. What I'm wondering from seeing this kind of topic frequently here is if I'm running in some deprecated mode? If my setup using no hal, and xorg.conf is going to become outdated and stop working anytime soon?
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org writes: The 'make' man page wouldn't know anything about the kernel's makefile. You want the README file that's included in the top of the kernel source folder. That file says, among other things: make oldconfig Default all questions based on the contents of your existing ./.config file and asking about new config symbols. You need to already have a .config file in the source tree in order for 'make oldconfig' to work; otherwise you are going to get the default answers to just about every question. The benefit of this is that you don't have to search through the entire menu tree in the UI to find what's new. Thanks for clearing that stuff up, and the pointer to documentation.
[gentoo-user] Re: Another angle on hal/xorg thread
Alex Schuster wo...@wonkology.org writes: Strange. Is hal still in your USE flags? It is not really neded, but I think it's nice to have - maybe not for x.org, but for other things like automounting devices. Here's the list of my packages that need HAL: I didn't tell quite all of it. Hal was not in my useflags (by my hand) until this last upgrade (two days ago). In the course of events I saw hal pop up in the output of emerge -vuDp world. I'd already noticed hal was not on my system for a while now... so quickly added `-hal' to /etc/make.conf. So from here on, its no mystery why I don't have hal. But before the last upgrade, I don't recall having done anything explicit about hal to remove it. And had gone through several upgrades without hal popping up.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
Dirk Heinrichs dirk.heinri...@online.de writes: If it still won't work, you can also post your kernel config and the output of lspci -vv here and somebody will find out what's wrong/missing. Good input thanks. I did get it working. It was an IDE selection I missed. From the lspci -vv you mentioned (aggravating because I knew that since long ago) shows: 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [...] Kernel driver in use: PIIX_IDE Here is the part that throws the monkey wrench in: make menuconfig /PIIX_IDE No matches found. Without fiddling around more I'm still not sure which setting it is. One of the settings checked here I think: | ++ | | |--- Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers | | | |[*] ATA ACPI Support | | | |[ ] SATA Port Multiplier support | | | |AHCI SATA support | | | |Silicon Image 3124/3132 SATA support | | | |[*] ATA SFF support | | | | ServerWorks Frodo / Apple K2 SATA support | | | |* Intel ESB, ICH, PIIX3, PIIX4 PATA/SATA support | | | | Marvell SATA support Now that I got things to boot... I'm sick of looking at this stuff... hehe
[gentoo-user] Re: fsck date problem during boot
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 4 Nov 2009, at 15:45, Harry Putnam wrote: ... Somehow the date of last fsck on /boot is seen as `in the future' so fsck fails on /dev/had1 (/boot). The first thing I would want to check is the motherboard battery. Is the time correct if you reboot and immediately enter BIOS? That was a pretty good help but apparently not all the story. When I checked bios, the clock was exactly 1 hr fast (didn't pick up the end of daylight saving time I guess). Reset the clock and tested with 2 more reboots, each time mounting /boot and fiddling around with files. Each time the same failure occurs. I check bios time again. Its right. Here is the (edited) output form fsck Superblock last mount time (Wed Nov 4 18:05:13 2009, now = Wed Nov 4 12:11:49 2009) is in the future. Fixy? yes [...] ---- ---=--- - Superblock last mount time (Wed Nov 4 18:14:54 2009, now = Wed Nov 4 12:18:01 2009) is in the future. Fixy? yes [...] so still somehow, those last mount dates are way wrong. I hope I'm checking the right thing in bios. Its under cmos and shows the time ticking away. You can adjust all columns. with +/-.
[gentoo-user] [OT] Homebuilt Mobo bundles
I guess that could be seen as a kind of spam. I hope not. Further, so far as googling this kind of help or info. There is so damn much out there.. its too hard to tell what is good or even real. So here it is: I have a recently dead Intel P4 winxp box, I've got it completely stipped dowm, mobo out etc. Its a mid tower antex box.. nice size and fairly easy to work inside of. For me that is really important because I spent my life working with big heavy stuff for 35 yrs. With it all in pieces already, I thought I might try building it backup up with some more recent components.. I thought maybe a mobo bundle would be a good starting place. Anyway, I need some help digging through all the balony on line about the newer mobos. Here is an example of one possibility: http://www.directron.com/fall-motherboard-combo-4.html I'm wondering if that really is a deal or just a fake come-on and the price is like that all over. Is there anyone here who is willing to correspond with me privately about this project? Maybe someone who can vouch for some of the more recent equipment out there. Since gmane obfuscates the email address on From line here it is: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com I'd like to hear from someone who may know a bit about homebuilding a computer.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Homebuilt Mobo bundles
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: One caution there -- newer computer hardware demands a great deal of power, and older power supplies may not be up to the task. Don't try to squeak by with a wimpy power supply. I thought maybe a mobo bundle would be a good starting place... I've been building my own for years. and the choice of motherboard has always been easy: I buy the mobo and CPU on sale that day at Fry's ;o) (Do you know Fry's?) But I buy the best RAM available because it's worth the few extra bucks. Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes: [...] that bundle looks ok, but you will need a new psu. And with ok I mean the hardware, not the price. I kind of overpowered the original setup back when I bought it, somewhere like 200[12]. It's an antec 430 w. But that is probably wimpy by now. Back then it was well above the standard stuff, which were more like 230 w.
[gentoo-user] Re: kernel build - back in the soup.
daid kahl daid...@gmail.com writes: 2009/11/4 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com: I'll say right from the start, that building a new kernel, has always been a problem for me. I don't remember ever not having a problem, in 10+ yrs.. Many people here seem to find it completely easy... not me. I tried closely comparing the current working kernel with newly built one. I mean side by side with `make menuconfig' running in both sources. I cannot tell what it is I'm overlooking. Please do not do this. Instead emerge kccmp to compare kernel configurations! It is much easier...trust me, I tried brute-force as well! Thanks for the tip... that tool does look useful. At least for kernel comparison I think it might beat the poop out of the ediff mode in emacs. Although the emacs tools are better in general. I managed to get the kernel figured out... (with plenty of help here) but I think I'll tinker with kccmp, see how it works, and be ready for next time. Really though, the whole problem was due to my foolish failure to put the old .config into the new sources, before running `make oldconfig. I think it would have gone off nice and smooth if I had. Answering a dozen or so questions on the cmdline beats the poop out of flopping around in menuconfig, or even worse, 2 instances of menuconfig. What is really maddening is that I once knew how to do the stuff with .config and `make oldconfig'. Here lately I seem to forget things I once knew if I don't use the knowledge for a mnth or two.
[gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: Any time I spend messing with obscure kernel config options is time I could be spending reading a good book, instead [1]. Sorry, spending time configuring my kernel loses, as does this thread. I'm with you Stroller. Although I do have to admit and should admit since I'm OP on this thread. If I had of inserted the .config from running kernel. I would have been done on the first try.. The dozen or so questions were nearly all no answers. A few didn't default the way I wanted so I didn't accept the default... maybe two were like that. I fully agree with your point about what it really takes to `know' how to configure a kernel. People get a little too much mileage from the breezy ` I do it in 5 minutes' line. When all they really did was move the .config file.
[gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it?
Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes: configuring is easy. enable the hardware you have. disable the hardware you don't have. read the help to all options that are default on - do you really need it? Really? read the help to all options that are off but might be usefull for you. change when you know it better (ondemand in, userspace governor out, performance default governor for example). do it a few times, kernel configuring becomes very easy. Well Volker... you do have a way of cutting to the chase. For me... I find the reading of the documentation a lot more confusing than you apparently do. I often know no more about what it means after reading it than before. So anyway, thanks for your input on all this. You often seem to clarify things that I had confused myself needlessly about ;)
[gentoo-user] OS inaccessable after brief uptime in X
I keep having a problem where the OS becomes inaccessable after running in X for a while. I haven't noticed a time pattern yet but it doesn't take long sometimes. Today I started from an OFF machine, booted up, started X did a few things A few minutes later I attempted to login via ssh from a remote laptop down stairs. The os is inaccessable via ssh, or port 25 (its also a mailhup for home lan). Went back to the actual machine and it is inaccessable from console as well. It's happened repeatedly now for a week or two, but I've been busy with other stuff, and if I need it running I've just left it in console mode. The problem apparently does not occur in console mode. I see no problem when starting X and I see nothing in /var/log/messages that gives a clue about what is happening. I'm running fairly up to date Desktop profile on kernel: (uname -a) Linux reader 2.6.31-gentoo-r4_rdr-5 #6 SMP Wed Nov 4 09:19:17 CST 2009 i686 Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 3.06GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux I'm not sure how to track down the problem since I'm not seeing any give away clues in /var/log/messages So far, once the lockup has happened it appears there is no way in other than the reboot switch.
[gentoo-user] How to determine which mobo without opening case
How can I determine the motherboard make and model? I mean without opening the case. Various hardware reporting tools such as uhinv and syscriptor do not give that information (far as I can tell). In fact syscriptor cannot even report pci info and gives the message `cannot open /proc/pci' (not surprising since /proc/pci does not exist)
[gentoo-user] Re: How to determine which mobo without opening case
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 08:37:49 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: How can I determine the motherboard make and model? I mean without opening the case. sys-apps/lshw Good call Neil, I found that tool shortly after posting. It gives as good as dmidecode, at least in my case.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to determine which mobo without opening case
Dan Cowsill danthe...@gmail.com writes: As a matter of curiosity, why can't you open the case? Aside from extreme laziness, I'd prefer to spend 2 seconds getting the info than first pulling the machine out of some piled up mess of several machines, then getting my beat up old body into some contorted position where I can see inside, and finally just hoping I'll be able to see something worthwhile that isn't covered with monstor Tuniq 120 cooler or some such. So guess in short, it would be, aside from extreme laziness extreme laziness...
[gentoo-user] Re: How to determine which mobo without opening case
Marcus Wanner marc...@cox.net writes: On 11/30/2009 9:13 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Dan Cowsill danthe...@gmail.com writes: As a matter of curiosity, why can't you open the case? Aside from extreme laziness, I'd prefer to spend 2 seconds getting the info than first pulling the machine out of some piled up mess of several machines, then getting my beat up old body into some contorted position where I can see inside, and finally just hoping I'll be able to see something worthwhile that isn't covered with monstor Tuniq 120 cooler or some such. So guess in short, it would be, aside from extreme laziness extreme laziness... Actually, I have found it difficult to find out the motherboard of a computer without taking the whole thing apart including the cooling fan (of course, it might just be me not knowing the correct way to check these types of things). It would be much easier to just compile and run a program, even if I had to ask here about which program to use. So I guess you suffer from the ExL syndrome too then ... hehe.
[gentoo-user] [lame logrotate Q]
Can anyone show me how to write a logrotate rule that will rotate on
either size or age?
I use some very simple scripting for yrs but don't really see how to
rotate on more than one condition.
I'd like to rotate a certain log weekly or over 7000k and keep no more
than 12 rotations for whatever reason.
/var/log/debug.log {
create 0600 reader wheel
weekly || size=7000k
rotate 12
postrotate
/etc/init.d/rsyslog reload /dev/null 21 || true
endscript
}
Is clearly NOT the right way to go.
Any know how to do it?
[gentoo-user] [OT apache] No cgi scripts work now
This machine was my local lan httpd server, but then I switched that functionality to an opensolaris machine... due to problems with a recent osol build I switched back temporarily. Meantime I must have allowed a new config to get setup ... maybe thru careless allowing of new conf files. Whatever the reason... before switching away... cgi scripts could fire in any directory... now when I hit a cgi it just reads the actual content of the cgi. Yes the cgi file are set executable and when run from command line they do fire. It appears that the /etc/apache2/* files of Nov.2 use /etc/apache2/vhost.d/default_vhost_include to allow simple configs like allowing cgi in any directory. So in the file I find the `Options' line that looks like: Options Indexes FollowSymLinks So I changed that to: Options All Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes ExecCGI (That line is take from an older configuration but it was in a different location (/etc/apache2/vhosts.d/00_default_vhost.conf)) The newer files appear to call the above mentioned `include' from /etc/apache2/vhosts.d/00_default_vhost.conf instead. But anyway... after inserting: Options All Indexes FollowSymLinks Includes ExecCGI Restarting apache... there is no change... cgi scripts still just get read like a text file. Also tried switching in the old 00_default_vhost.conf and eliminating the new default_vhost_include Retart... but I see no change at all. No errors are thrown in /var/log/apache2/error_log either. The cgi files are simply read like text. Double checked that they are executable and confirmed they are. Where to from here?
[gentoo-user] Re: rsync reverts to old file versions
Grant emailgr...@gmail.com writes: rsync -vr --inplace --delete /path/to/music/ gr...@192.168.1.2:/path/to/music what OSs' are the hosts? I've had that happen a time or two when the source host was a windows machine, having something to do with the way windows handles permissions and dates. The windows files were seen as all new even though they had been rsynced the previous week and only a few additions had been made (Nothing was found to be `uptodate')
[gentoo-user] [OT crypto] How to encrypt a directory without root?
I want to encrypt a directory heirarchy on a remote machine where I don't have root. I can use either an openbsd, or gentoo remote.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT crypto] How to encrypt a directory without root?
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes: On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:32:07 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I want to encrypt a directory heirarchy on a remote machine where I don't have root. I can use either an openbsd, or gentoo remote. Provided the kernel has ecrypt support and the userspace utilities are installed, you can use ecrypt to encrypt a directory as an ordinary user. I just discovered the remote where I want to do this has mcrypt on board so thinking tar first to get around any directory problems and then mcrypt I haven't actually tried it yet but anyone know if that is a non-starter. What I'm actually thinking of doing: I have an encfs encrpted partition on my home machine.. However I want a back up offsite. The encrypted partition would be mounted, the contents tarred/gzipped, mcrypt'ed on home machine then scp'ed to the remote for offsite storage once a week or so, overwriting each time. The remote also has mcrypt so in a pinch I hope to be able to unencrypt there (on the remote) if need be.. (Home machine becomes unusable or cannot be accessed for one reason or another) There is some sensitive stuff in there. But not black helicopter caliber. I guess I'm asking; if the remote were hacked for some reason, would my mcripted tarball be an easy target? I'm pretty confident the encfs partition on home machine is fairly safe, even if the host is compromised... (I mean assuming this isn't CIA operatives ...) They'd have first to get my user passwd... (root cannot access the encfs files but I guess with root you could just reset the user passwd..). And then the encfs partition password (which cannot be reset without knowing the current passwd.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT crypto] How to encrypt a directory without root?
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes: On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:12:29 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: I have an encfs encrpted partition on my home machine.. However I want a back up offsite. The encrypted partition would be mounted, the contents tarred/gzipped, mcrypt'ed on home machine then scp'ed to the remote for offsite storage once a week or so, overwriting each time. Why not just tar up the underlying encfs partition? The data is already encrypted, what's the point of decrypting it to encrypt it again? That way you don't need to rely on any encryption software on the remote computer. I wanted the option of decrypting on the remote if need be... that is if my home machine is not accessible for whatever reason. For example, if I wanted a forgotten password laying in a text file but encfs encrypted and on the remote. When for one or another reason I cannot get it from the home machine. In your scenario, I'd need access to both home machine and remote at the same time to first get the blob of encrypted data off the remote and then to decrypt it on home. Or am I missing some easy solution? I've been having a troublesome freeze up on the home machine and not making much progress in debugging it. Of course the remedy is to fix whatever is causing it but for now, when it happens the machine cannot be accessed from keyboard, or by ssh. It requires a full (hard) reboot to get it going again. If I happen to be away from home when that happened, I'd want access to a backup on the remote... but it would need to be decrypted to be of any use.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT crypto] How to encrypt a directory without root?
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes: On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:09:03 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: Why not just tar up the underlying encfs partition? The data is already encrypted, what's the point of decrypting it to encrypt it again? That way you don't need to rely on any encryption software on the remote computer. I wanted the option of decrypting on the remote if need be... that is if my home machine is not accessible for whatever reason. For example, if I wanted a forgotten password laying in a text file but encfs encrypted and on the remote. When for one or another reason I cannot get it from the home machine. In your scenario, I'd need access to both home machine and remote at the same time to first get the blob of encrypted data off the remote and then to decrypt it on home. Then use rsync instead of tar, then you can mount the remote filesystem using sshfs and encfs to read individual files. It's a little slow as you are layering two FUSE filesystems, but quicker than downloading a complete tarball just to get at one file. I've used this method with an online backup service and it works. Neil seems to be thinking the remote has encfs on board... it does not. Hence my original quest for a different encryption process, (mcrypt) And both Felix' and Neils solutions seem to require access to the home computer or root on the remote. Or a least access to a machine with encfs on board. Also, understand that the encrypted data is quite small... Not talking a huge tarball at all. du -sh ~/myencrypteddata 7.4Mmyencrypteddata That is uncompressed So is it still a bad idea to unencrypt from encfs, recrypt in mcrypt and ssh or rsync the result to the remote? With something this size all of that should happen in a few seconds right? And this way, I'd be able to decrypt the thing on the remote; find what I need and delete the unencrypted data leaving only the encrypted. It does sound like a lot of huffing and puffing so am interested to hear other ways. I haven't tried it yet at all. I guess another part of my question is will an mcrypted file setting on an internet host (that can be hacked and has been at least once since I've been involved (5yrs)), be of interest and easy enough to crack (not the host but the file itself) that it would be likely a hacker would try? Once again this is not super secretive stuff, like murder or such... and even banking info could only lead to a matter of mid 4 digit amounts at most. Nasty but not life threatening or bankruptcy material and its unlikely at best that all accounts would be drained before I caught a sniff of it. But still, once my trove of passwords and certain banking info was lost, it would be a real pita to clean up. ---- ---=--- - | A side note to forestall answers involving the owner of the host | machine being asked to do whatever: | | That fellow is quite security conscious and far as I know has had | only the one hack on some 8-9 or so online machines over at least | 10 yrs. (Not a bad record... since he was at one time a target | to unprincipled hackers in linux community, who also had accounts | on his hosts... so the attack was from inside so to speak) | | So there won't be much I can suggest that he either doesn't now | about or hasn't already tried.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT crypto] How to encrypt a directory without root?
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk writes: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:27:32 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: Then use rsync instead of tar, then you can mount the remote filesystem using sshfs and encfs to read individual files. It's a little slow as you are layering two FUSE filesystems, but quicker than downloading a complete tarball just to get at one file. I've used this method with an online backup service and it works. Neil seems to be thinking the remote has encfs on board... it does not. Hence my original quest for a different encryption process, (mcrypt) I wasn't thinking that at all. You use sshfs to mount the remote directory locally, then mount that with encfs. All the remote host needs is ssh. I'm not sure what is going wrong here, if neither of us is listening to the other or what... but I've stressed that I wanted a solution for when I could not access my home machine Does your solution involve that? Expecting to work out encfs and sshfs/fuse etc on a session in the nearest kinkos, probably on machines running one or another version of windows, and further with no download or install options on said machine is not all that nifty of an approach.
[gentoo-user] Freeze up during X session
I'm experiencing a problem where during an X session the machine inexplicably freezes up... networking along with mouse keyboard etc. No access is then possible via ssh or any other way other than a hard reboot. I've attempted to debug the problem by first searching the logs. But not finding anything I recognize as a clue. I've inserted a line like this in /etc/syslog.conf cat /etc/syslog.conf [...] *.* -/var/log/debug.log [...] and then created a tiny script called by cron every 5 minutes that simply pinged an external host and reported the results by way of piping to `logger', guaranteeing it would appear in the system logs . Then after a freeze up and reboot, search the logs for the most recent successful ping and see what happened after that. (The freeze up freezes networking too so the ping would then fail). And Hopefully I'd see something of note between the last successful ping and the reboot. But I see absolutely nothing of note. The freeze does not appear to obey any particular time frame after a boot, only that sooner or later a freeze up will occur. Apparently there is nothing happening that merits a log entry. Its been going on for a goodly while and I've just been rebooting as needed ... I haven't been really active on the machine for a while so it was easy to get along with, but now I need to do more work and so the problem is a major stumbling block.
[gentoo-user] Re: Freeze up during X session
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: To exclude a software problem, try booting from a SystemRescue-CD http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page It's Gentoo based and sports an X-Server. Thanks for the recue disk tip. That are the problems that makes one crazy! Well put... hehe. But I chickened out and took the path of least resistance. I'm in the middle of an install from scratch right now. But if its hardware as yours was... that won't help either. My hardware is not amd so keeping my fingers crossed.
[gentoo-user] What xorg pkgs needed for X to work
Sorry for the awkwardly phrased subject... but couldn't think of anything better. I'm rebuilding my home desktop with a full reinstall So far haven't gotten to getting X working... but did notice that when I test what all gets installed with: emerge -vp xfce4-meta I notice that xorg-x11 is not amongst the... dependencies. xorg-server is absent as well, but I seem to recall a more basic xorg pkgs being involved. Maybe something like xorg-base... or whatever. Apparently something has happened with naming of pkgs or something, that I haven't kept up with. But can a user really get use out of xfce4-meta with no xorg-server? Just so you know its not already installed, heres a grep of all installed pkgs: qlop --list|grep xorg Fri Jan 15 11:02:43 2010 x11-misc/xorg-cf-files-1.0.3 - - -= - - - I've included the dependencies in case anyone is interested... Should there be something more from xorg? emerge -vp xfce4-meta These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild N] app-text/libpaper-1.1.23 343 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/eject-2.1.5-r2 USE=nls 121 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/setuptools-0.6.10 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dmidecode-2.10 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/iso-codes-3.11.1 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/glib-2.22.3 USE=-debug -doc -fam -hardened (-selinux) -xattr 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXext-1.1.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/freetype-2.3.11 USE=X -bindist -debug -doc -fontforge -utils 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.5 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dbus-1.3.0-r1 USE=X -debug -doc (-selinux) -test 0 kB [ebuild U ] app-admin/eselect-1.2.9 [1.2.3] USE=-bash-completion -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/fixesproto-4.1.1 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libgamin-0.1.10-r2 USE=python -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libxkbfile-1.0.6 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.3 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/xcb-util-0.3.6 USE=-debug -test 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/appres-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/netpbm-10.48.00-r1 USE=X jpeg png tiff zlib -jbig -jpeg2k -rle -svga -xml 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/recordproto-1.14 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/scrnsaverproto-1.2.0 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/xprop-1.1.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.22 USE=python -alisp -debug -doc ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/xbitmaps-1.1.0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/giflib-4.1.6-r1 USE=X -rle 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/imake-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/gccmakedep-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/numpy-1.4.0 USE=-doc -lapack -test 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/usbutils-0.86-r1 USE=zlib -network-cron 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/eject-0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/libexif-0.6.19 USE=nls -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/resourceproto-1.1.0 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libfontenc-1.0.5 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/iceauth-1.0.3 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.7.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.82 USE=-bash-completion -debug -doc -test 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXmu-1.0.5 USE=-debug -ipv6 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.10 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXfixes-4.0.4 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXrandr-1.3.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/atk-1.28.0 USE=-debug -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXi-1.3 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.70 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXpm-3.5.8 USE=nls -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygobject-2.20.0 USE=-debug -doc -examples -libffi -test 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/mkfontscale-1.0.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/xkbcomp-1.1.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXxf86misc-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXxf86vm-1.1.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/eselect-emacs-1.13 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXp-1.0.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.2 USE=-debug -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXfontcache-1.0.5 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-perl/glib-perl-1.222 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/gam-server-0.1.10 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXres-1.0.4 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfconf-4.7.0 USE=perl -debug -profile 461 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXcursor-1.1.10 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXdamage-1.1.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXcomposite-0.4.1 USE=-debug -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/xrdb-1.0.6 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/xwininfo-1.0.5
[gentoo-user] Re: file system failure after emerge -DuN @system
Helmut Jarausch jarau...@igpm.rwth-aachen.de writes: Does the machine run well enough that you can reinstall both glibc and udev again? Not right now. After the boot complains that the super block isn't right the disk is getting mounted read only. I cannot even edit a file with vi. Try booting by using a rescue CD (www.sysresccd.org) fsck your root disk chroot to your root disk then try to repair your system (e.g. building/installing a new kernel) Something similar has happened here in the past, it was related to fsck being called inappropriately. At least a few times I was able to remount things after the initial boot ended up with read only filesystem using the command: `mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda_whatever /' Or maybe just: `mount -o remount,rw /' To remount in place After boot came up `read only' it worked apparently since the timing wasn't a factor then. But you might try that command first to see if you can do repairs that way.
[gentoo-user] What xorg pkgs needed for X to work
[Please excuse if this is a double whammy... it appears not to have made it to the mail/news server] Sorry for the awkwardly phrased subject... but couldn't think of anything better. I'm rebuilding my home desktop with a full reinstall So far haven't gotten to getting X working... but did notice that when I test what all gets installed with: emerge -vp xfce4-meta I notice that xorg-x11 is not amongst the... dependencies. xorg-server is absent as well, but I seem to recall a more basic xorg pkgs being involved. Maybe something like xorg-base... or whatever. Apparently something has happened with naming of pkgs or something, that I haven't kept up with. But can a user really get use out of xfce4-meta with no xorg-server? Just so you know its not already installed, heres a grep of all installed pkgs: qlop --list|grep xorg Fri Jan 15 11:02:43 2010 x11-misc/xorg-cf-files-1.0.3 - - -= - - - I've included the dependencies in case anyone is interested... Should there be something more from xorg? emerge -vp xfce4-meta These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies ... done! [ebuild N] app-text/libpaper-1.1.23 343 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/eject-2.1.5-r2 USE=nls 121 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/setuptools-0.6.10 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dmidecode-2.10 0 kB [ebuild N] app-text/iso-codes-3.11.1 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/glib-2.22.3 USE=-debug -doc -fam -hardened (-selinux) -xattr 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXext-1.1.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/freetype-2.3.11 USE=X -bindist -debug -doc -fontforge -utils 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXrender-0.9.5 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/dbus-1.3.0-r1 USE=X -debug -doc (-selinux) -test 0 kB [ebuild U ] app-admin/eselect-1.2.9 [1.2.3] USE=-bash-completion -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/fixesproto-4.1.1 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libgamin-0.1.10-r2 USE=python -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libxkbfile-1.0.6 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-themes/xfce4-icon-theme-4.4.3 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/xcb-util-0.3.6 USE=-debug -test 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/appres-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/netpbm-10.48.00-r1 USE=X jpeg png tiff zlib -jbig -jpeg2k -rle -svga -xml 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/recordproto-1.14 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/scrnsaverproto-1.2.0 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/xprop-1.1.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.22 USE=python -alisp -debug -doc ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/xbitmaps-1.1.0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/giflib-4.1.6-r1 USE=X -rle 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/imake-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/gccmakedep-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/numpy-1.4.0 USE=-doc -lapack -test 0 kB [ebuild N] sys-apps/usbutils-0.86-r1 USE=zlib -network-cron 0 kB [ebuild N] virtual/eject-0 0 kB [ebuild N] media-libs/libexif-0.6.19 USE=nls -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-proto/resourceproto-1.1.0 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libfontenc-1.0.5 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/iceauth-1.0.3 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/libxfce4util-4.7.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.82 USE=-bash-completion -debug -doc -test 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXmu-1.0.5 USE=-debug -ipv6 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.10 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXfixes-4.0.4 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXrandr-1.3.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/atk-1.28.0 USE=-debug -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXi-1.3 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-misc/shared-mime-info-0.70 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXpm-3.5.8 USE=nls -debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-python/pygobject-2.20.0 USE=-debug -doc -examples -libffi -test 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/mkfontscale-1.0.7 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-apps/xkbcomp-1.1.1 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXxf86misc-1.0.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXxf86vm-1.1.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/eselect-emacs-1.13 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXp-1.0.0 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-libs/libcroco-0.6.2 USE=-debug -doc 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXfontcache-1.0.5 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] dev-perl/glib-perl-1.222 0 kB [ebuild N] app-admin/gam-server-0.1.10 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXres-1.0.4 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] xfce-base/xfconf-4.7.0 USE=perl -debug -profile 461 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXcursor-1.1.10 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXdamage-1.1.2 USE=-debug 0 kB [ebuild N] x11-libs/libXcomposite-0.4.1 USE=-debug -doc 0 kB
[gentoo-user] Re: What xorg pkgs needed for X to work
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: On Friday 15 January 2010 20:43:32 Harry Putnam wrote: [Please excuse if this is a double whammy... it appears not to have made it to the mail/news server] Sorry for the awkwardly phrased subject... but couldn't think of anything better. I'm rebuilding my home desktop with a full reinstall So far haven't gotten to getting X working... but did notice that when I test what all gets installed with: emerge -vp xfce4-meta I notice that xorg-x11 is not amongst the... dependencies. xorg-server is absent as well, but I seem to recall a more basic xorg pkgs being involved. Maybe something like xorg-base... or whatever. Apparently something has happened with naming of pkgs or something, that I haven't kept up with. But can a user really get use out of xfce4-meta with no xorg-server? Yes. This is how X11 works. xfce does not need a full blown xserver on the *local* machine, it simply needs X libs to function. The X libs in turn will talk to the xserver, which does not have to be on the local machine. Parallel situation: You do not need X and a browser on a machine running a web server, as the pages served are not necessarily viewed on the machine hosting apache. Ahh yes... I see you point now. To get X you can either; merge xorg-x11 (this is the meta package you didn't know the name of) or put X in USE Note carefully that this is not a silly situation, it works this way by design. Well that is kind of the kicker... I do have X in use flags. In fact posting all I have in /etc/make.conf below: USE=X acpi alsa apache2 branding cscope dbus emacs ffmpeg gif hal jpeg lock logrotate mbox mysql samba sasl session svg vim-pager vim-with-x png pdf session startup-notification subversion thunar tiff exif win32codecs Xaw3d ## FOR Xfce4 = branding dbus hal lock session startup-notification thunar ## They are added above -bluetooth -crypt -eds -emboss -evo -gnome -gstreamer -imap -ipv6 -kde -ldap -mad -maildir -mikmod -minimal -qt3 -qt3support -qt4 -sdl -xscreensaver As you see, it is the very first USE flag. Maybe something the the negative list is making a problem...? But its not a major obstacle.. of course, my real aim is to get X going with Xfce4 and I'm pretty sure I can get that done. Thanks for the input.
[gentoo-user] What role does dev-libs/boost play with encfs?
I'm probably way behind the eightball asking something like this, but I'm wondering what role `dev-libs/boost' plays with encfs. The home page indicates its something of a helper application for using cpp++ programming language and applications. The reason I ask is that it appears to be up there with kde when it comes to compiling that critter. I'm rebuilding my main desktop from scratch install and have been used to using encfs for some private data... I don't recall having to wrestle `boost' to the ground when I installed encfs (long ago). I may just have been too busy to see it burning up time. But what seems like hrs is just a bit lenghy for something that is billed as a sort of helper application. Well its really only been a little over an hour but I see no signs of the end coming near in the present output... I'ts not really a big complaint... I'm more curious than put out. Being a retiree and lazy to boot I have the time for it... hehe. Oh, and my hardware is not that uptodate ... its p4 celeron 3.0 cpu with 3GB ram.
[gentoo-user] Re: What role does dev-libs/boost play with encfs?
Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org writes: If you *really* want to know what encfs uses Boost for you could, of course, examine the source :) But you really only need to know that it's a big C++ library that's used by encfs. Go grab a coffee or do a load of laundry or something. Good idea... thanks .. :)
[gentoo-user] Accesssing gentoo repostitories
In the course of a full reinstall I've run into several packages that appear not to be findable... watching emerge race all over the glob looking for certain packages...there seems to be some problem with what portage is looking for and pushing those packages out to repos. I've already forgotten the other 5 or so packages but the current one holding up emerge is eject-2.1.5.tar.gz. It appears to be standing in the way of installing a number of other X related packages. Is there a current problem with packages being available? If so then how can I remove it as a depandency? It seem unlikely that eject would really prevent X from running but there appears no easy way to avoid it.
[gentoo-user] Re: Accesssing gentoo repostitories
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: In the course of a full reinstall I've run into several packages that appear not to be findable... watching emerge race all over the glob looking for certain packages...there seems to be some problem with what portage is looking for and pushing those packages out to repos. I've already forgotten the other 5 or so packages but the current one holding up emerge is eject-2.1.5.tar.gz. It appears to be standing in the way of installing a number of other X related packages. Is there a current problem with packages being available? If so then how can I remove it as a depandency? It seem unlikely that eject would really prevent X from running but there appears no easy way to avoid it. I found eject on my own and put in distfiles... then emerged, but I'm having several failures with emerge not finding pkgs. Did that with several other packages as well. I have several mirrors listed in /etc/make.conf but in some cases it seems emerge tries only one and when it fails... emerge just stops. Isn't it supposed to walk thru all my list of mirrors? Or is there something I have to set to make that happen? I've even hit a few (fonts) where the downloaded package does not match the size emerge expects... again it just fails instead of trying the other hosts in the list. I don't think I've ever seen a failure on size from a listed mirror before.
[gentoo-user] About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
I hadn't done a full reinstall for a good while, long enough that I missed out on whateve was said about the change over from using /etc/X11/xorg.conf to control the X display to whatever does it now. So my first question is what does do it?.. I have a nice desktop but no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. However under the new setup, I'm missing one major thing. It has to do with resolution of the desktop. Using Xfce4, I see no way to adjust the res above 1024x798 using the applet provided for that purpuse, when I'm used to a much more massive size. 2048x1536 that I used to get by puting this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection I used something this size for years and really do miss it. I like to be able to flop around on the massive deskop. It has a second unintended benefit too... it keeps most people off my computer since slithering around on something that size can be very disconcerting to the uninitiated. I've learned that grand kids really don't like it... hehe. So, where would I make such a setting in the new arrangement?... I suspect I could force a return to xorg.conf... but would sooner understand how to utilize the new proceedure.
[gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
pk pete...@coolmail.se writes: Harry Putnam wrote: So, where would I make such a setting in the new arrangement?... I suspect I could force a return to xorg.conf... but would sooner understand how to utilize the new proceedure. xorg.conf still works fine with the latest incarnations of Xorg. If you are refering to HAL and such, I don't think it has anything to do with this particular feature; I'm sure you can use a minimal xorg.conf with your virtual screen size. Disclaimer: I don't use HAL or dbus and I use latest stable Xorg (xorg-x11-7.4-r1 and xorg-server-1.6.5-r1). You are right... I just stuck my old xorg.conf in there and have my massive desktop back. In the future Xorg will move to a slightly different setup with files under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ instead of just one file but I think that's for xorg-server-1.8... (or even later). And HAL is replaced by libudev (yay!). For now, with hal, with dbus, assuming no xorg.conf... where are custom settings regarding the X session done?
[gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: On 01/16/2010 01:32 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: I hadn't done a full reinstall for a good while, long enough that I missed out on whateve was said about the change over from using /etc/X11/xorg.conf to control the X display to whatever does it now. So my first question is what does do it?.. I have a nice desktop but no /etc/X11/xorg.conf. However under the new setup, I'm missing one major thing. It has to do with resolution of the desktop. Using Xfce4, I see no way to adjust the res above 1024x798 using the applet provided for that purpuse, when I'm used to a much more massive size. 2048x1536 that I used to get by puting this in /etc/X11/xorg.conf Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection I used something this size for years and really do miss it. I like to be able to flop around on the massive deskop. It has a second unintended benefit too... it keeps most people off my computer since slithering around on something that size can be very disconcerting to the uninitiated. I've learned that grand kids really don't like it... hehe. When they hit their teens they will make sure you don't understand their gadgets either. The ones I need to foil are well past there teens... hehe.
