Re: Nahhh, we don't need to secure the *internal* network....
In a message dated: 02 Aug 2002 08:38:52 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: I think that we could probably come up with thousands of different ways to compromise the security of an internal network. What about actually securing it? One of the easiest things that I have seen done was impliment an IPSec-based LAN. The setup was simple. From the outside in: router - firewall - FreeS/WAN gateway - encrypted traffic to LAN. Each machine on the LAN had it's own keypair that was registered with the gateway, so when a desktop was fired up, it would authenticate itself to the gateway, and it was then free to communicate with anyone. Anyone that was able to sniff the traffic just got encrypted streams. If you could get a system onto the network, it would be useless unless the gateway was compromised to accept a bogus key. In theory, this is a great idea. However, keep in mind that: Security = 1/productivity In many corporate situations, especially engineering environments, the implementation of a VPN would get in the way of development. For instance, my current environment is co-located between the US and Belgium. The folks in Belgium require direct access to our lab here, and vice-versa. Additionally, both groups require direct access to central corporate servers. A lot of what's going on requires high performance connectivity with as little latency introduced as possible. Placing a VPN client on some of these systems would automatically get in the way of a lot of the testing that is done. As a result, there aren't even virus scanners on a lot of the systems in the labs. And, since the labs need direct access to corporate servers, the labs often become breeding grounds for virii. A proposal was made to VPN off all the labs, which would prevent a virus from escaping since the virus couldn't authenticate with the VPN, however, it was determined that there are no VPN servers at this time which will not slow down a GigE connection, which is required for a lot of the stuff going on here. (of course, since we only have a 2MB connection to Belgium, I don't see why the GigE thingy is a requirement for *our* situation :) Also, as Ben pointed out, just because all the traffic between hosts is now encrypted, that doesn't prevent someone from using a box to internally probe your network looking for ways out. Once you're in, you're in, and if you can use that internal system to create a conduit you can get into from the outside, all bets are off! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Nahhh, we don't need to secure the *internal* network....
In a message dated: 02 Aug 2002 12:39:34 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: I'm not saying that there is *no* overhead, just that in a LAN environment it is not a major factor. Whether or not it's a factor depends upon what type of delay is introduced vs. what is acceptable, and the definitions of 'factor', 'major', and 'acceptable'. Oh, and we probably need to agree upon what the definition of 'is' is just to be clear ;) But again, it all comes down to: What is the company willing to do to protect their data. True. And in this particular instance, we can derive that from the required use of: Win2K, Outlook, and Exchange :) For instance, my current environment is co-located between the US and Belgium. The folks in Belgium require direct access to our lab here, and vice-versa. Additionally, both groups require direct access to central corporate servers. A lot of what's going on requires high performance connectivity with as little latency introduced as possible. Placing a VPN client on some of these systems would automatically get in the way of a lot of the testing that is done. You don't need to put a VPN client on the systems in a case like this. You put a gateway at each end, and authenticate/encrypt/route on the gateway. The users at either end most likely wouldn't even notice. What would prevent a virus from spreading between the 2 locations then? Since the tunnel is authenticated at the gateway level, it's nothing more than a router for all intents and purposes, right? What was proposed was not setting things up as you suggest, but essentially setting up a firewall that each client/person would need to authenticate against in order to access the non-lab corporate WAN. So, not only would the users know, but performance *would* be impacted at the client level, since they would require VPN client sw installed on them. You can get network virus scanners for routers now I don't pretend to know anything about their usefulness, though. Yeah, I heard they stop all incoming SPAM as well. Hey, do know anyone that needs a bridge? I have a nice one right between Queens and Brooklyn I'm looking to sell ;) Or, if you prefer, I another on in the San Fran/Bay area! (of course, since we only have a 2MB connection to Belgium, I don't see why the GigE thingy is a requirement for *our* situation :) If you require GigE, but only have a 2MB connection, then security isn't the problem... *MATH* is!! ;-) Well, keep in mind, we're not the only one's this proposal would affect. Though the limiting connection between here and Belgium is only 2MB, the Massachusetts buildings are all connected by OC48 trunks divided into multiple OC3 connections. So there well may be some other group which has a GigE connection requirement between multiple buildings on this side of the puddle :) In the scenario that I proposed, the traffic between hosts isn't just encrypted, it is also authenticated through a central gateway. If you put a box on the network, it will hit that gateway and stop, since there is no way out without authenticating. Oh, okay. Either I missed that part of the explanation, or just didn't understand correctly what you were proposing. That does make a lot of sense, and would be a nice configuration. Hmmm, maybe I'll play with that one of these days when I finish playing with FAI :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Bridges of a different color.
In a message dated: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:16:33 PDT Ken Ambrose said: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I heard they stop all incoming SPAM as well. Hey, do know anyone that needs a bridge? I have a nice one right between Queens and Brooklyn I'm looking to sell ;) Or, if you prefer, I another on in the San Fran/Bay area! Even though I was born in NYC, and worked in the financial district (which is on the far south end), I can't claim to know too much about how the boroughs work. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure that the bridge we're talking about goes from Brooklyn to Manhattan. ;-) [That's why you see all those pics of the WTC workers leaving on the Brooklyn Bridge.] Okay, you're correct, I was speaking of that bridge and mis-identified the boroughs (or is it burroughs?). However, I must now ask: IS there a bridge which connects Queens and Brooklyn? -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Bridges of a different color.
In a message dated: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:37:56 PDT Ken Ambrose said: On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I must now ask: IS there a bridge which connects Queens and Brooklyn? The BQE, as it's identified in traffic reports: The Brooklyn Queens Expressway. See http://www.nycroads.com/roads/brooklyn-queens/ NB: I know almost *nothing* about Brooklyn -- the last time I was there was when I fell asleep on the subway and missed Wall St.; for all I know, this road dumps cars straight into the East River. But I do seem to recall that this is probably the correct answer to your question. So, I did accurately portray what I have for sale then :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Nahhh, we don't need to secure the *internal* network....
We're behind a firewall. We're safe! http://online.securityfocus.com/news/558 Think again! (not that we haven't said *that* before either ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: bash scripting arcana
In a message dated: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 18:07:18 EDT Michael O'Donnell said: If you haven't messed with this 'Process Substitution' stuff before, examples like the following could (as my favorite oracle might say) bake your noodle: ls -l ( echo ) echo ( ls -l ) ...my noodle is currently al dente. (I mean, all denty...) Mine is pretty well cooked now: pll@tater:~$ ls -l ( echo ) lr-x-- 1 pll pll 64 Jul 31 10:02 /dev/fd/63 - pipe:[5071] pll@tater:~$ echo ( ls -l ) /dev/fd/63 Definitely not what I expected at all. Especially considering pll@tater:~$ ls -l /dev/fd/ total 0 lrwx--1 pll pll64 Jul 31 10:14 0 - /dev/pts/1 lrwx--1 pll pll64 Jul 31 10:14 1 - /dev/pts/1 lrwx--1 pll pll64 Jul 31 10:14 2 - /dev/pts/1 lr-x--1 pll pll64 Jul 31 10:14 3 - /proc/1461/fd -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Users of Quickbooks, beware: ED FOSTER: The Gripe Line from InfoWorld.com (fwd)
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Jon == Jon Hall wrote: Jon One of the features prominently advertised by Intuit for Jon QuickBooks 2001 was the ability to send invoices via e-mail, Jon says Ms. Billings. With this latest update, I had to accept Jon a new TOS [Terms of Service] agreement in order to keep using Jon this feature. Hmmm, I know this is probably way beyond the grasp of the average user like Ms. Billings, however, couldn't she choose to print the invoice, select print to file and mail the postscript file herself? That's what I'd do to get around this. Why in the world would anyone want to have this type of e-mail go through an unknown mail server like Intuit's? Of course, non-geeks are likely to be completely clueless as to how e-mail works, never mind what servers their e-mail travels through. Hmmm, I don't suppose there's the option to encrypt said invoices *before* mailing it out, huh? Of course, that would pre-suppose that each party created and supplied the invoicing user with a public encryption key. I don't like the USPS overly much, but at least (AFAIK), they don't currently read my mail as it passes through their facilities :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:06:25 EDT Michael O'Donnell said: I'm giving the FAI (Fully Automatic Installation) package a test drive at Paul's suggestion and wonder if anybody here has tried it. I'm hitting some speedbumps that (I think) have something to do with my attempts to use FAI's DHCP boot method with the DHCP server from the dhcpd3 package. Ayup, I've been playing with it for about 2 or 3 months now, on and off. The documentation, IMO, leaves a lot to be desired, but between that and the mailing list, you should be able to muddle through. Btw, in the case of FAI, the phrase Use the source comes into play more so than I realized at first. 99% of FAI's flexibility comes from shell and perl functions which are completely undocumented anywhere but in the source itself. Definitely take a look at the example class/*, scripts/*, and files/etc/* files. The DHCP config should be pretty straightforward, however, I can shoot you the one I'm using if you'd like. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Looking for a decent calendar application
Hi all, I'm looking for a decent calendar application. However, I'm rather picky, as one of the requirements for said application is that it support command line capability to add events to the calendar. I don't really care about to-do lists, Palm Pilot sync'ing, etc. All I want is a calendar which will allow me to add events, set the re-occuring meta-data, etc., and warn me of impending doom^H^H^H^H meetings. And I have to at least be able to *add* these events from the command line. Why, you may ask, do I care about command-line capability? Because I currently live in an environment which is completely controlled by Microsoft Exchange. As a result, these people actually think that the ability to easily schedule meetings means we should have lots of them. I do not use Outlook, rather slurp my e-mail down via fetchmail. I do not want to use Evolution/Connector, because I like exmh much better. If I can find a calendar application which does what I want, I can easily have procmail update my calendar auto-magically. If I can't, it probably means I need to write my own app which will write out v-cal formate to something gnome-pim/gnomecal. So, anyone know of anything like what I'm looking for? Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:08:16 EDT Ben Boulanger said: I've used webcal for awhile now... it's really quite nice. The newer versions support sql back ends, but the one I'm using only has the option of using the flat file (haven't upgraded yet). It works perfectly fine for my purposes, and, since it's just a normal flat file, making a command line tool should be cake. The file format's very simple. WebCal: http://bulldog.tzo.org/webcal/webcal.html Hmmm, I may have to take a look at that. Esp. since I'm already running apache on my laptop for other development stuff I'm doing. It does all of this, including email you about upcoming events. Hmmm, I don't know if I need anymore e-mail :) But that'll work :) I've never tried to integrate it with outlook/exchange, so I can't comment on that... I'm not trying to integrate it with Outlook/Exchange. I get my e-mail off of an Exchange server via fetchmail. As a result, I get a lot of meeting requests which are formatted to be slurped into an Outlook calendar automatically. Since I'm not using Outlook, this does me no good. However, I can use procmail to automatically update any other calendar of my choosing if that calendar easily allows me to. A simple file format is good, since if I have to write my own interface app, the easier the format, the simpler the app. Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:16:03 EDT mike ledoux said: I've used at+mail to mail alarms to my pager for this in the past: echo 'Mail -s fscking lunch meeting pager /dev/null' | at 12:00 Jul 31 For recurring meetings, use cron instead of at. Of course, it helps to have a pager or cellphone that is emailable for this. If you'd rather just have the alarm appear onscreen, you could use something like xmessage instead of Mail. Hmmm, another great idea. Thanks! I think I like this one a lot, since my VisorPhone does have e-mail capability. This allows me to use my Visor to remember events, but not intermangle my personal stuff with my work crap. Hm, I'm liking it more an more :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:29:32 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, at 11:01am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not want to use Evolution/Connector, because I like exmh much better. Not to deflect your intent, but couldn't you just use Evolution and Connector for calendaring, and fetchmail/exmh for email? This has the added bonus of letting you feed information back into Exchange. (I guarantee someone will eventually ask you to update your Free/Busy data.) Well, I don't think so. Meeting requests appear to be nothing more than specially formatted e-mails within Outlook that get automatically placed into your calendar. I can't really see how I could use fetchmail to grab only non-meeting related e-mail. You're right, I may well be asked to update my free/busy data. So far, though, I haven't had to, and it's been over 3 months :) Basically, I just need to know when the meetings are. I don't feel the need to respond with either a refusal or acceptance to the meeting. If I find that it's important, I'll show up, if not, I won't. If they care that much that I haven't responded yet, they'll either e-mail or ask me directly whether or not I plan to show up. If it's my manager, or his Director, I'll show up :) If not, it's a 50/50 chance depending upon how much /. and/or User Friendly I need to catch up on ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:23:55 EDT Michael O'Donnell said: I've so far had problems related to TFTP, DHCP and SSH. I discovered (after some tortuous debugging) that the first two were the result of incompatibilities with the particular servers I was running, so in those cases I changed servers. For DHCP, it's a lot easier to use the older DHCP v2.x series server. With the 3.x series server, they changed a bunch of the option-X options to be in the vendor defined options area instead. It's definitely do-able with the 3.x series server, but a little more futzing is required to get it to work. For tftp, it's definitely best to use the hpa-tftp server from H. Peter Anvin as recommended in the docs. The SSH problem turned out to be related to the recent privilege separation changes that have been pissing off a lot of people. I got bit myself by this on Friday as I was trying to build a new bldsvr machine to go into production rather than my sandbox system I've been experimenting with. It pissed me off, and I'm not even sure what I did to get around the problem, but it's working now. By the end of the weekend I had gotten to the point where the client boxes could boot using a floppy I haven't had the chance to deal with the boot floppy at all, having to good fortune to be in possession of spare machines which all have PXE capability. looks like I'm now ready for the REALLY hard part: setting up classes and writing scripts that configure systems belonging to each of those classes. This is actually really easy, as it's nothing more than writing class/* shell scripts which write a class name to STDOUT in order to define a class based upon whatever criteria you choose. The scripts/* can be shell, perl, or cfengine scripts. Actually, I think the class/* scripts can be perl, shell, or cfengine as well. -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: 29 Jul 2002 11:45:37 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: Have you given any thought as to how you could propagate events entered into your private calendar back into your company's calendar? Or do you not find this feature to be important/necessary for your purposes? As I stated earlier, I don't feel that feeding information back into the company calendar is important. In general, I feel I only need to know if a meeting is scheduled, I do not feel that it is necessary for me to respond to every meeting I'm asked to attend to let them know whether I'm going to show up or not. The problem is, at least in big companies, that people feel the need to schedule meetings far too often when a simple e-mail conversation would suffice. In general, people also seem to rely upon meetings to avoid having to make decisions on their own. If there's a meeting to discuss it, and a general concesus can be arrived at, if it turns out to be a bad decision, there's no one to blame, since it was mutually agreed upon by the attendees of the meeting. I don't have time for all the meetings I'm scheduled for, and it further wastes time responding to them all; especially since I'm not required for most of the meetings I'm scheduled for, I'm more of an afterthought (not that this should suprise anyone :) So, I only care about automating a reminder notification that there is a meeting scheduled. If I have something more important to do at the time, I'll skip the meeting. If not, maybe I'll show up. In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, I really find the Exchange way of doing things quite annoying. Actually, to the point of being rude, presumptuous, and quite impersonal. But I won't pontificate on that here, at least not now ;) thoughts -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: 29 Jul 2002 12:44:36 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: As I stated earlier, I don't feel that feeding information back into the company calendar is important. If you are scheduled to take a day off next week, and one of your co-workers wants to schedule you for a meeting on this day, do you think that it's important for your co-worker to be able to discern from looking at the calendar that you won't be in on this day? Well, in general, I agree with the point you're trying to make. However, I have never really maintained a calendar of any sort, including here in my current position. Therefore, I have never before, nor do I now, schedule my days off, vacation, work-at-home days in any calendar. So my co-workers are not likely to be able to derive any sense of whether I'm free or not, since my calendar is currently completely empty all the time. I'm also usually never aware ahead of time whether I'm taking a day off. I tend to just work all the time, and then spontaneously take a day off when necessary at the last minute. Same thing with vacations. So, even if I were to feed information back in, I'd be wasting even more time cancelling meetings at the last minute because I had previously wasted time accepting the invitation :) But that's just me. I'm well aware that most other people are far better about time management than I am or ever will be (besides, that's why I got married, so I don't *have* to keep track of this stuff! My wife *is* my social calendar[1] :) In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, I really find the Exchange way of doing things quite annoying. Actually, to the point of being rude, presumptuous, and quite impersonal. But I won't pontificate on that here, at least not now ;) thoughts OTOH, where I work, if I'm invited to a meeting, it's for a good reason, Wish I could say the same :) and I do have to say that having some notion of a shared calendar does seem to be worthwhile. I think the notion is a good one, I just wish the implementation were as good as the idea. It seems that's where the concept lacks, is in implementation :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:14:47 EDT Mark Komarinski said: Whatever happened to vCal servers? It seems like everyone is a client, but no servers have been written aside from Netscape's calendar server. I don't know. Actually, if I could find a decent command line utility which could read/write vCal format, I'd be quite happy, since gnomecal uses vCal format as well. At this point though, it seems that mwl's idea of using at/cron to do what I want is easiest/best, since all I really need to do is write a small shell/perl app which parses my incoming e-mail and sets the job. -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:03:26 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Another, similar debate is whether /usr/local should be for site-local or machine-local files. We've had that here before, too. I've actually flip-flopped my opinion of this one :) I used to advocate that /usr/local should mean local to a site not a machine. My opinion now is that /usr/local should be defined to mean whatever the site's sysadmin thinks it should be :) That way, if the site admin believes it should be for site specific stuff, (s)he can make that call. If (s)he believes it's for machine specific stuff, then so be it :) About the only standard I can be sure of here is that when there is no standard, long debates about semantics usually ensue. :) Well, Duh! ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, Ben == [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Anyone used to any other Unix will Ben find Linux a bit weird in this respect. Let's re-write this as: Anyone used to any one particular OS will find another particular OS a bit wierd in this respect. I think it's safe to say, that though UNIX is UNIX, and Linux is UNIX, that if you *really* know one variant, trying to switch to another, though not hard, does turn up some idiosyncrosies which can lead to confusion and/or frustration. (The following are meant to be rhetorical questions, however, they may prove interesting excercises for some :) For example, anyone know what /etc/fstab is under: - AIX - Solaris or what /etc/exports is under: - Solaris How about trying to change the hostname of a system between: - Solaris - Linux (actually, RH, Debian, etc, are all different) - True64 - HP-UX - AIX For that matter, how do you change the networking interface information between: - Red Hat - Debian Tux forbid you're an NT admin trying to learn The UNIX way :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:08:02 EDT Rich Payne said: On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:20:58 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, at 11:08am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or what /etc/exports is under: - Solaris Oh, oh, teacher, I know this one! /etc/dfstab! (Am I right? It's been awhile... :) Nope! /etc/defaults/dfstab :) it's /etc/dfs/dfstab on my 5.7 and 5.8 boxes. /etc/defaults/ doesn't even exist. Oh, right, sorry. It's been over 2 years since I've touched Solaris. Guess I'm as rusty as Ben is on this one. Of course, we both knew the file was dfstab, so we could do a 'locate dfstab' and find it, right ;) (that was sarcastic, I know, I need to use 'find /etc -name dfstab' if I really want to find it :) As for not calling it /etc/exports, well dfstab doesn't really contain exports like we think of on Linux. It contains share commands that get run on startup to share the filesystems. I think not calling it /etc/exports was actually right in this case (wait, am I actually defending Sun/Solarisyikes, must be time for a holiday) I'd say so :) And once again, you've pointed out another area where I was confused (there are oh, so many :) It's /etc/vfstab that has the 2 extra fields, not dfstab. The dfstab, as you mentioned, has the 'share' commands, making dfstab more of a shell script than an exports file. Another thing I don't quite get the logic of. /etc/exports and exportfs always worked just fine for me under every other version of UNIX. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: thanks
In a message dated: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:35:52 EDT Robert Casey said: Wow, those were quick replies. I will take the advice but I'll have to do it starting Monday because I'm going home for the weekend, with a headache I might add. Print yourself out a copy of the IPChains docs before you go. Since you'll have plenty of CSTUs[1] to read them over said weekend ;) [1] CSTUCopious Spare Time Unit - something we all have *way* too much of, right? ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: clustering
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Robert == Robert Casey wrote: Robert is there a way the slave nodes, which are on the 192 Robert network, can see the 155 network so I don't have to create Robert all the users on each slave node to match user id and group Robert id. Set up IP forwarding on the master node which has 2 NICs. You should be able to set up ipchains to do this easily enough, and I'm sure anyone here who has a cable modem or xDSL at home can probably help :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 10:25:26 EDT Derek D. Martin said: However in Red Hat's defense, one thing to realize is that the number of software components included with a distribution like Red Hat makes it impossible to QA everything thoroughly. Which is also one of the reasons it takes Debian 2.5 years to issue a new release! The number of packages shipped with Linux distributions these days is simply astounding, bordering on ridiculous. I haven't touched anything but Linux for over 2 years now, and I'm quite sure I'd feel lost elsewhere with commercial system's sparsity of packages! Regardless of distribution, you get a lot more bang for your buck with Linux than you do with any commercial OS! Now, if we could just boost the QA level of all the distributions a little :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 08:44:59 PDT Ken Ambrose said: On Thu, 25 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is also one of the reasons it takes Debian 2.5 years to issue a new release! Oh, come, come -- it's not really -that- quick, is it? ;-) This most recent one was only 2.5 years. I believe slink-potatoe took 3 years :) Alas, QA has one (or two, depending on how you look at it) strike(s) against it: - it's not sexy, which means relatively few do it voluntarily, which means - it costs money. I'm actually suprised more people don't want to do QA. I mean, it's rare that you can actually get paid for breaking things. The real bonus is that once you break them, you don't have to fix them, you get to pass that ball to someone else in development :) Fer Pete's sake: my first slackware base install was something like 8 floppies (plus boot root). I remember my first Slackware install. 3.0, about 8 floppies, unless you wanted Emacs, then it was 25 :) I imagine Mandrake will hit that number of CD-ROMs soon, if they haven't already! Funny -- that roughly follows Moore's Law. I wonder if there's a correlation? [Ken in 2010: Sheesh! Where'd I put DVD #17?] I believe the latest Debian release *is* 7 or 8 CDs at this point! Personally, I beginning to think it's far easier to just install a base OS (similar to what you get with commercial UNIXes), then do something like apt-get or rpm-up2date to install new, non-OS stuff. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: 25 Jul 2002 14:23:47 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: This is what I have been doing for quite some time. I have one Debian CD that I use to do a bare minimum install. Then I have an options file on a floppy that I created using `dpkg --get-selections`. When the selections are loaded on the new system (using dpkg --put-selections), I do an apt-get and go home for the night ;-) I've begun playing with FAI and PXE boot systems. I have a local debian mirror which is also set up as an FAI server. My clients use PXE to boot (though you can accomplish the same with a boot floppy) and the system is built and booted within about 10 minutes, completely customised for my environment, based on the specific either the hardware configuration of the client itself or it's destined role in life. Much better than a manual install via CD or even FTP/NFS installs. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: 25 Jul 2002 14:54:32 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: I have three different selections floppies. One for desktop systems, one for laptops, and one for servers. Once the base is installed and everything gets installed from the selections floppy/apt-get, I manually install the system-specific pakages, usually from source. You could replace all the floppies with a single boot floppy and let FAI determine what gets installed on what system based on what class the booting client falls into :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:09:11 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The early iterations of Red Hat's anaconda install did have some serious bugs in them. Let's re-write that as: The iterations of Red Hat have some serious bugs in them. It's more efficient and more accurate :) It usually takes Red Hat two or three tries to get something right, but they usually do get it right, eventually. ;-) I'd say they usually, after 2 or 3 tries get it *mostly* right. I have yet to see them release anything that didn't have at least one major problem which resulted in Derek bitching quite vocally to me about it. Or vice versa for that matter :) For an amusing chuckle, check out RH's bug reports searching on Derek as the submitter. He has a way with words :) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?email1=ddm%40emailreporter1=1email2=changedin=chfieldfrom=chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=short_desc=long_desc=bug_file_loc=status_whiteboard=cmdtype=doitorder=Bug+Number+Ascendingform_name=query After looking at this list of bugs, it appears I was mistaken, he's only reported bugs on versions 6.2, 7.1, and 7.2. I assume he considered it a waste of time to bother reporting bugs on 7.0 :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: vanished Gnome taskbar
In a message dated: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:01:45 EDT Michael O'Donnell said: Is Gnome known to be prone to random failures of this sort, or is this more likely pilot error? Yes. :) 2 things to try: 1. Bring up the GNOME Control panel, and toggle the options pertaining to whatever is missing, and restart GNOME. 2. Log out, log in via one of the v-terminals, mv ~/.gnome elsewhere (like ~/.gnome-old) log back in via GDM and re-customize. You can probably carry over most of the files from the ~/.gnome-old directory to the new ~/.gnome hierarchy. One third recommendation: Use something simple and stable like fvwm :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:33:00 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have seen Derek's Red Hat bug reports before. He is often rude, abusive, and/or insulting, none of which are productive. You might find that sort of thing funny, but frankly, I think he does himself, Red Hat, and the community a disservice by acting that way. It is one thing to bitch and moan on a independent mailing list (like this one) or around the local bar. It is quite another to act that way in what is intended to be a bug reporting tool. I don't disagree with any of that, I was merely stating that it's an amusing read. Also, of the six bugs turned up by that URL you posted, four are either user error, local configuration, and/or Just because Red Hat does not do things the way Derek Martin expects does not mean it is a bug. (The other two are quite legitimate, long-standing problems. Red Hat is *far* from perfect.) Which ones are you referring to? In the RH does not do things the way Derek expects them to be category, I'd re-word that as RH does not do things the way most sysadmins expect things to be. Most of those gripes are a matter of RH not having experience sysadmins doing QA for them. Compare Derek's complaints to what I would consider standard sysadmin practices as espoused by Evi Nemeth, et al, in the UNIX/Linux System Administrator's Handbook series. RH violates these basic practices with their configurations many times. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
In a message dated: 24 Jul 2002 10:49:57 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: Do we really need to re-hash this *AGAIN*??? But the horse is still twitching! It's not quite dead yet! ;) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?
In a message dated: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:26:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Seeing how they are both made from the same commodity i386 parts (and same basic software), I don't know that means much. Cobalt's original product line (the Qube) was a LAN server appliance (NFS/CIFS/etc). As I understand it, the biggest change from LAN appliance to web appliance was the marketing literature. ;-) Oh, right, the Qube, I forgot about that one. I was thinking the RaQ series. Which in theory, could be connected via scsi2 to a RAID array if you wanted, but you won't get much performance that way :) The RaQ series was specifically targeted at the ISP/ASP/Web hosting market. The systems are really nice, AMD based units, which are !9x12x1u. They're small enough that you could realistically populate *both* sides of a 19 rack with them and have all the cabling go down the center of the rack. Definitely a design that maximizes floor space in a data center :) I forgot the Qube was meant as a LAN server. Sorry for the confusion. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: .deb HOWTO
On 23 Jul 2002 12:14:53 -0400 Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks - I was curious if anybody knew of any resources on how to create .deb files for a project? I took a look through google and debian.org but didn't find much. Thanks in advance. Check the Debian Maintainer's Manual. There are a bunch of docs on Debian.org which do step you through the process, though I haven't attempted following any of them yet, since all I was concerned about at the time was creating a kernel package, which has a slightly different process. Hth, Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: automated installation
On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 14:08:49 -0400 Michael O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for an automated software installation mechanism - I want to be able to deliver software to my customers in such a way that they can install it on multiple machines as painlessly as possible. I think the Beowulf thingy you're talking about is called FAI, or, Fully Automated Installation. It's currently restricted to debian installs, and was originally intended for Beowulf clusters, however it's been more abstracted at this point to be a generic installation utility much in the way of Solaris' JumpStart. It's actually much closer to JS than SI is. SI seems to depend upon the concept of gold or pristine images which are then copied across the net to the client. FAI is more like JS and KS in that it's actually an over the net, package-by-package install of the OS. Additionally, it's completely configurable by designing your environment such that every machine which gets installed by FAI falls into a class of machine. Depending upon the class of machine the client falls into, determines things like IP addresses, number of ethernet interfaces, disk partitioning schemes, NIS domains, etc. There is absolutely nothing that is not configurable with FAI. For instance, I am currently mucking around with FAI, and I have 2 classes of machines I care about, one which has 4 80GB drives, and another with 4 160GB drives. Soon, I'll have one with 4 250GB drives. The only thing among the hardware which differs is the size of the drives. This affect my drive partitioning scheme, so that the 80GB drives get partitioned differently than the 160s and 250s. Additionally, if I had machines with differing amounts of RAM, I could set it up so depending upon the amount of RAM and the size of the drives, I could do things like pre-determine the amount of swap I need. So an 80GB drive system with 1GB of memory might be configured with less swap than a 250GB drive system with 128MB of memory, etc. Also, machines can fall into multiple classes and depending upon which classes are defined for a given client, different things can happen at install time. Currently, as I said, it's meant to work only with Debian, but supposedly there is effort underway to use it with RH systems and Solaris. Currently it will work to install Debian on Sparc, though :) Another thing you may wish to look at is cfengine. It's not really an automated install utility, but can be used that way. Oh, FAI will work with PXE boot, as well as boot floppies. I'm sitting in a training class right now not on my own system, so I don't have any URLs for you, but Freshmeat should have links for both FAI and cfengine, if not, google :) HTH, Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Formal trainning...
What exactly do you want training in? Basic sysadmin, using Linux, installation, migration from Windows, using certain software packages under Linux? What are you attempting to do? There are a lot of different areas of UNIX/Linux that you can receive training for. Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Forbe's profiles Linux
Don't know if anyone else saw this: http://www.forbes.com/2002/07/16/linuxintro.html It appears to cast Linux in good light, however, it really seems to do no more than link to a bunch of other stories, none of which I've cared to read yet :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?
In a message dated: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:30:18 CDT Thomas Charron said: The *ONLY* concern I've had with it is ease of subverting security. Primarily, reseting the admin password is as easy as pushing a little button with a pencil top, and pushing it again twice, then holding it down. This resets the admin password.. No way to disable this 'feature'. Not to bad, but it's a pet peive I guess.. You could, if you really wanted to, open up the box and disconnect this button, couldn't you? Or, better yet, get a good locking door on the room where this box is located :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?
In a message dated: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 14:55:21 CDT Thomas Charron said: As a second note I forgot about, it also has a built in FTP and web server, as well as the ability to run Java servlets. Definatly a nice little box.. Ahm, okay, so how is this different than a Cobalt then? A Cobalt can do all of this, and being a web-appliance is it's main function. It *can* do NFS/CIFS if you want it to, but if you have heavy duty NFS requirements, my personal opinion is: Don't use Linux! It's NFS performance as compared to Sun and True64 just plain stinks. (actually, I've heard that True64 even blows Sun's NFS performance out the door :) Linux is very good at doing a lot of things. It can do NFS, just not that well. So, other than these systems being better at NFS/CIFS, are they essentially just like the Cobalt, just with a BSD core over Linux? -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Quantum Snap Server - Opinions?
In a message dated: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:49:44 EDT Hewitt Tech said: I'll look at the Cobalt systems though. I also saw positive comments on the MaxAttach systems put out by Maxtor. Cobalt is now owned by Sun. Also, keep in mind, they're meant as a web appliance, not necessarilly an NFS/CIFS server. Yes, you *can* have act as a file server, however, it's not *meant* to do that. It's meant to be more of an http/ftp server than anything else. Storage is limited to the 1 internal hard drive. From what I've seen in this discussion, these other boxes are more meant to be fast/reliable file servers which also happen to do http/ ftp serving, as opposed to the inverse intentions behind the Cobalt systems. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting moron
In a message dated: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:48:15 EDT Chad R. Henry said: What I have is: count=1 while [ $count -lt 284 ] do count='expr $count + 1' echo http://foo.foo.org/foo[$count].file; /home/user/output done Enclose $count in double quotes within the backticks: count='expr $count + 1' Should work, does for me: $ while [ $count -lt 10 ] do count=`expr $count + 1` echo count = $count done count = 2 count = 3 count = 4 count = 5 count = 6 count = 7 count = 8 count = 9 count = 10 -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting moron
In a message dated: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:48:10 EDT
Bill Studley said:
Erik Price wrote:
Hey, if you're going to say that, then you have to use this:
perl -e
'for($c=1;$c284;$c++){printhttp://foo.foo.org/foo$c.file\n;}'somefile.txt
I knew there was a one liner in there someplace :-D
There always is, but shouldn't we make it a litte more efficient?
perl -e 'for $c (1..284) {print http://foo.foo.org/foo${c}.file\n;}' file.txt
Or, better:
perl -e 'map { print http://foo.foo.org/foo$_\n} 1...284' file.txt
:)
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Re: Abusing CC:
In a message dated: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:17:23 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, at 4:32pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain exactly what M-F-T is *supposed* to do. *sigh* Did this forum become write-only when I wasn't looking? :) Hey, if we actually *READ* stuff you posted, people would expect us to *know* what you were talking about ;) Btw, ahm, with all this discussion about headers like M-F-T, why aren't we using the already standard List-* headers? I would solve a lot of the complaints here! Is is because we're (for now) using Majordomo? I know Mailman uses these headers, since every mailman admin'ed list I'm on has them set (and I regularly take advantage of them). I don't know about Majordomo. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Abusing CC:
In a message dated: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:48:08 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 11:26am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, ahm, with all this discussion about headers like M-F-T, why aren't we using the already standard List-* headers? I would solve a lot of the complaints here! Because the configuration of the current mailing list is limited by the policies of the environment which hosts it, and we have to live with said limitations. DEC^WCompaq^WHewlett-Packard has been very generous over the years in hosting this list for us, for free, with outstanding reliability. I'm not questioning that. I know full well that there are politcal reasons for the way things are. I'm asking if List-* headers are even a possibility in Majordomo, which we happen to be using because of what you just stated. It largely comes down to beggars can't be choosers. We are working on improving things, as you should know, Paul! :) I do know, and not questioning that. Why does this topic get revisited every month, by people who should know the answer by now? :) Because we like to hear you repeat yourself every few months. Why is it that you, of all people consistently forget that the name of the group is the Greater New Hampshire Heckle Ben Group ;) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Abusing CC:
In a message dated: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:31:39 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, at 12:10pm, Tom Buskey wrote: Ummm, yahoo does lists for free provides a web archive, etc. Granted, there'd be less control ads inserted. Well, maybe there'd be more control. I, personally, would consider that a step in the wrong direction. :) When I say we are working on improving things, I mean we have been gradually moving things over to other servers that other people have generously let us have room on. Mailing lists are included in that. We even have a long-standing and perpetually-far-off plan to get our own server. But I didn't want to get into details because nothing is finalized yet. People interested in the details can subscribe to the gnhlug-org list and learn more then you ever wanted to know. :) Can this thread *please* die now? :) No, we have a policy in GNHLUG that all horses beaten to death must continue to be beaten until they are actually revived and running under their own power again ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Abusing CC:
In a message dated: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:57:00 EDT mike ledoux said: M-F-T would be really nice, except that Mutt is the only MUA that uses it. Last I checked, the RFC it was proposed in had expired. Can someone explain exactly what M-F-T is *supposed* to do. I'm not as familiar with that header as I am with things like X-Reply-by and X-message-flag :) How is a mail client supposed to react to the M-F-T header? Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Abusing CC:
In a message dated: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 16:54:27 EDT Jerry Feldman said: I use exmh at home, and I have set up templates for the lists I use. Thus when replying to a listserv, the template preserves the Subject but not the addresses so I get a nice clean header. So are you doing something like: repl -nocc me -nocc cc -cc to Or something equivalent? -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Dinner
In a message dated: 09 Jul 2002 18:44:45 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't care much about independant verification, I'm more concerned about the veracity of the story and hearing both sides. It seems to me that independant verification is helpful in ascertaining the truth. I agree, I mis-spoke. I was interpreting 'independant verification' as 'are others running the same story', which is quite different. IV is essential for ascertaining truth, you are quite correct in that. I wrote a big long flame that (IMHO) tore your email into shreds, but I decided to delete and save everybody the pain and suffering. I don't mind, I have my asbestos underwear on this week :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: dinner
In a message dated: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:11:53 EDT Michael O'Donnell said: Why don't we all just eat at the place in question? Those who want to pursue the matter will presumably have an opportunity to quiz the management (thereby registering their concerns as directly as possible) while those who just want to eat can, um, just eat. Sounds like a plan to me :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: dinner
In a message dated: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:35:45 EDT Ganesan M said: I will be attending the Nashua meeting for the first time. So, should I come to DWC or to the buffet restaurant? It's your choice. If you wish to eat dinner, then show up at the restaurant. If you either don't have time or the inclination to eat, just show up at DWC. Btw, please not, this is not the Nashua meeting, this is the GNHLUG Quarterly meeting which just happens to be held in Nashua this time. The Quarterly regularly floats to different places, whereas MELBA, a.k.a. the Nashua meeting is always in Nashua :) Regardless, welcome, and I look forward to meeting you! -- Seeya, Paul Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) Chairman, Nashua Chapter GNHLUG http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/lug_cal/month.php * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Security Auditig companies?
Hi all, Does anyone have any experience working with companies who do penetration testing, code review, and general security audits for products? At my current place of employment we have a product which we would like to have reviewed and tested by an outside party. However, the only company mentioned was ISS, who, if you remember were the folks responsible for the Apache fiasco a month or so back. If anyone has any recommendations, please let me know. Thanks -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Monadlug meeting on Thursday
Hi all, I've recently heard that the proposed speaker for the Thursday MonadLUG meeting had to cancel on very short notice. As a result, Jerry has no speaker to present anything at this time. Unfortunately, Jerry also has a tremendous amount going on in his personal life right now and really could use a break from this. So, I'm writing to ask if anyone here in GNHLUG would be willing to step up to the plate and give some kind of presentation on Thursday for MonadLUG. It doesn't have to be overly technical, or complicated. It doesn't have to have a lot of pretty slides. We just need something that's interesting to folks. If you've done anything recently which you thought was pretty neat and would like to demo it to others, that would be great. I know in Melba, we had a couple of Let's figure this out type of meetings, where people brought in wireless cards and WAPs and we all attempted to figure out how to create a wireless network with our laptops. That was a pretty interesting meeting with a nice hands-on twist to it. Another idea would be a this is my favorite app meeting where a few different people could demo their favorite application. I've done this a few times with applications like LyX, GNUCash, CodeWeaver's CrossOver Office, and exmh. If anyone has become an expert in OpenOffice 6.0 or KOffice, or something like, I think that would be a great meeting. So, I'd really appreciate it if someone could volunteer to help out Jerry and MonadLUG this week and give our fearless leader some much needed time off to re-gather his life (I know *I* could use that about now too :) Thanks everyone! -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Security Auditig companies?
In a message dated: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:20:58 EDT Ben Boulanger said: And that other one was Belanos I had completely forgotten about @stake... I've heard good things there. Err, got a URL on Belanos? The obvious doesn't seem to work :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Security Auditig companies?
In a message dated: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 10:20:58 EDT Ben Boulanger said: Counterpane definitely used to - I personally used them once. They seem to not do this anymore, since their website makes no mention of it. They seem more narrowly focused on Managed Security Monitoring services now. Good to know about them though :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Alias uses Linux
In a message dated: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:55:03 EDT Derek D. Martin said: I thought this was interesting, and some of you might too... For all who might not have caught it last night, the spy show Alias uses Linux. I actually noticed this the first time this episode was aired some months ago, but didn't get close enough of a look to determine the distro. Over the last couple years I've been playing particular attention to shows and movies to see which OS they use. Surprisingly, a lot of them do use Linux, or at least something that is very UNIX based. This trend seems particularly prevalent in shows which are technical in nature, Alias, 24, etc. My guess is that it's trivial to make a system look like it's doing a lot more computer stuff with linux, since you only need 2 or 3 terminal windows open doing things like running top, ps, netstat -a, etc. vs. Windows and Macs which everyone knows, and don't look all the technical to most people anymore. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
IRC servers?
Hi all, I'm wondering what IRC server people use. Since I know next to nothing about IRC, I have no idea what servers are available, and which ones are good/bad/major security holes, etc. Any pointers would be great. While you're at it, pointers/recommendations on IRC clients would also be gratefully accepted :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: IRC servers?
In a message dated: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:45:21 EDT Tom Buskey said: You're setting up an internal chat room like I told you about? Very cool if you can get everyone to use it. I'm not sure what we used at Genuity. Ayup! If that's what you're doing, getting people to use it on a regular basis is the key to success. It's gotta become a 'water cooler' and not just a place to ask questions. Well, there are already 4 of us who use it pretty regularly, but the server we're using is a temporary one that's going away next week. If you have lots of windows users, maybe getting a server that does AIM would be better. Lots of people have AIM installed by default so it might be easier to get them to use it. They're also likely more familiar with the client. There are lots of Linux clients too. We're 50/50, but those on windows have IRC clients already, so it shouldn't be problem. Jabber is another thought. Setting that up too :) I *really* like epic on linux. Character based I have macros that let you have multiple windows. Xchat works too for people that don't want to learn the keystrokes. Gaim has a plugin for IRC as does everybuddy and probably some others. Cool. I'm currently using bitchX, which is okay, but the docs are kinda lousy. I'll give epic a try. Thanks a lot! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Is there a meeting today?
In a message dated: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:46:48 EDT Ganesan M said: Is there a meeting today? Please confirm. No, it's been postponed until 10 July. I thought a message was sent out to the -announce list, guess not. Sorry. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Quarterly Meeting POSTPONED until 10 July 2002
For all that weren't aware, and haven't been to the GNHLUG website lately, tonight's meeting with Ximian was postponed until 10 July 2002. Sorry if this wasn't more widely broadcast, I could've sworn I sent out an e-mail. Apologies for the ridiculously late announcement. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug-announce' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: QuickTime (was: What do people use...)
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:46:31 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Or so I am told. A lot of this information is based on Slashdot postings, which are only slightly more reliable than a random-number generator. :-) Actually, I believe a random-number generator is more reliable and predictable :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:33:45 EDT Tom Buskey said: Yeah, but you know, I'd really like to be able to use (ex)mh as an interface to an IMAP server. I really like the granular control I have over my e-mail with both raw mh commands and exmh as a GUI. I would *really* like to be able to re-engineer it to interface with an IMAP server and still manipulate my e-mail the same way, but have the mail stored on some external-to-my-laptop system. That would be way cool! There's always NFS and X ;-) I run fetchmail - procmail on my firewall (my personal server only!) and NFS mount the mail directory from my laptop. That's fine for a 1-person environment where you fully trust that one person. However, in a corporate environment, IMO, you shouldn't allow NFS access to your mail spool, *especially* when everyone on the network has root access to their personal machine.[1] The safest way to do what we did was not allow NFS access to the spool, and provide either POP3 or IMAP access to the mail spool. Anyone not wanting to use a POP3/IMAP capable client was free to log onto the mail server and access their mail using their client of choice. [1] It's been argued before that in general, there is little valid reason for users to have root access even to their desktop machines. However, I'm not really in any mood to re-visit this debate, since regardless of who's right, no one on either side of the debate is about to change their opinion, and said re-visiting would merely be an excercise in futility and wasted bandwidth. user -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
On 25 Jun 2002, at 9:18am, Kevin D. Clark wrote: Maildir format works just fine over NFS, no locking required. As does mh format :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
OT - Where would you buy stuff?
Hi all, If you had the choice between buying off the web or from the local BestBuy for a slightly higher price, what would you do? The advantages of buying off the web are obviously lower price, though when you factor in S/H, customer service, return hassle, etc. it pretty much seems a wash. I'm not overly fond of Best Buy, but they do offer the convience of being local, which provides me the ability to go and beat someone over the head should I need to :) This is directly related to my quest for a digital camera. I've found it on the web for between $50 and $80 less than Best Buy has it. The cheapest site is also charging $25 s/h. So, that really means I can get it off the web for only about $50 less than from Best Buy. Any opinions? Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:50:16 EDT Matthew J. Brodeur said: I don't know if there is any way to hear Windows Media (.asf) in Linux. The CodeWeavers Crossover Plugin package will allow you to properly deal with both Windows Media Player and Quicktime content under Linux. It is not open source/free by any definition, and it costs $30 or so, but it works quite well. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:09:12 EDT Matthew J. Brodeur said: I'll have to take your word on that. As I said at the last meeting, the demo/nagware version killed my system. Well, maybe not killed, more like knocked into a coma. It required finding the power switch in any case. I don't consider it a sign of intelligent marketing when the actual product works, but the demo is hazardous. I've been using both Crossover Plugin and Crossover Office for over 2 months now, and never had that experience. Overall it's been quite a postive experience (well, considering how positive an experience one can actually have in a Microsoft environment ;) I might also argue that running something in Windows emulation is never the proper way to deal with it. I guess it is often a necessary evil. Yes, you might argue that, and I might even agree with you should you ever decide to :) That said, I convinced IS to turn the Exchange server's IMAP server on, so now I'm fetchmailing and procmailing my work e-mail as well. (Actually, I now even have SpamAssasin tagging my corp. spam :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:34:46 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Given my druthers, I'd rather run my own server, but Paul's particular situation left him few options. Paul likes exmh, and MH clients and IMAP do not mix, so he would have little use for such a tool, I am sure. His post was just a catalyst for my idea. Yeah, but you know, I'd really like to be able to use (ex)mh as an interface to an IMAP server. I really like the granular control I have over my e-mail with both raw mh commands and exmh as a GUI. I would *really* like to be able to re-engineer it to interface with an IMAP server and still manipulate my e-mail the same way, but have the mail stored on some external-to-my-laptop system. That would be way cool! No, but I got my procmail - Maildir format - Courier IMAP setup running...I plan on posting a writeup soon. Cool! I'm sure Paul has already scheduling you for a meeting presentation. ;-) Ayup, you got it. However, I know Kevin pretty well, and understand the amount of stuff on his todo list. That presentation is scheduled for the 24 October 2007 meeting ;) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:07:27 EDT Rich Payne said: On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, mike ledoux wrote: That's one way, however you'd be transfering the message to the client, figuring out where to put it and then sending it back again. What's would be even better would be just to move the message on the imap server. Yes you'd still have to pull the message down, but you wouldn't need to send it back again. So instead of giving putmail the entire message, just give it the message's unique message ID on the IMAP server and the destination folder. You would also need to be careful about maintaining message flags (unread etc). Doesn't IMAP have commands to only grab headers and to re-file a msg? If so, this shouldn't be all that difficult to implement with procmail, since *most* filtering of e-mail is done on the headers. Of course, I do wierd things like actually filter and sort based on body content as well, which would then require tranferring the msg from the server to the client for processing, then sending it back to the server for filing. A lot of overhead, but if IMAP has a properly designed interface, it should be doable. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:04:16 EDT Jerry Feldman said: Products like these provide people with access to products that are otherwise not available (a good thing). BUT! For those of us who know about FX32, they also do not provide any incentive for the software vendor to port to native Linux. That's pretty much the reason why Corel, for instance, no longer provides a native WordPerfect build. Well, I don't see anything that currently exists, nor will ever exist which could be argued to be an incentive for MS to port their apps to Linux. Btw, FWIW, the only thing I used CrossOver Office for was their Outlook client to access the Exchange server. For all Office docs I use either Open Office, Gnumeric, or Abiword. I do occasionally use the Quicktime plugin from the CrossOver Plugins pkg, but I just heard that Xine will be supporting this in an up coming release :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:24:37 EDT Derek D. Martin said: Yes, it's called telnet... =8^) Sorry that's been deprecated. The new tool is called ssh ;^P -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: procmail and IMAP (was: What do people use ...)
In a message dated: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:19:29 EDT Derek D. Martin said: Given my druthers, I'd rather run my own server, but Paul's particular situation left him few options. Paul likes exmh, and MH clients and IMAP do not mix This isn't exactly true; Paul is just stubborn. Hey, wait! I resemble that remark! ;) It is true that exmh can't access IMAP folders directly. The solution to this problem is use fetchmail to retrieve the IMAP messages, and use exmh to read them locally. Which is exactly what I'm doing now. You can either leave the messages on the server, or provide your own back-up mechanism. Not following this line of thought. If I leave the messages on the server and use fetchmail to access them, I then must constantly download all the messages I've already read but left on the server. And what do you mean by back-up mechanism? Or, you can just use Mutt. :) [Mutt supports mbox, mmdf, maildir, mh... etc. as well as IMAP and POP3.] Mutt has minimal support for mh folders. Yes, it can read them, but it doesn't update your scan cache or your unseen cache, which means that if you jump back and forth between different interfaces to you mailbox, like mutt and exmh, your view of things under each interface will be quite different. so he would have little use for such a tool, I am sure. This part, OTOH, is quite true. If you were to use the above technique, clearly you'd just filter locally with procmail. Which is exactly what I do. Maybe you're referring to the way I worked at MCL when I insisted on running exmh *on* the mail server. The reason for this had nothing to do with exmh or IMAP. On the contrary, it had everything to do with procmail. In an ideal situation (which I found myself in at MCL and don't at my current site of employment) I want to do several things with my e-mail: - use vacation as an auto-responder - filter several hundred e-mails per day as they come in - access 1 view of my e-mail from multiple locations - high availability for where I read my e-mail from While at MCL I accessed my e-mail on a daily basis from my house as well as while at work. If I were to have used fetchmail from my desktop system to suck my e-mail down to it, I had no HA capability, not in the sense of a clustered environment, but at least on UPS and regularly backed up. I could not guarantee with any amount of certainty that my system would be up over a weekend much less a week while on vacation. That means that: - I was no longer filtering my e-mail real-time - I couldn't read my e-mail with a single, consistent view - I couldn't have vacation auto-respond to incoming e-mail Since exmh doesn't have direct IMAP support, it made more sense to run the client on the mail server. Additionally, I don't like mutt. I have years of customizations invested in exmh, why should I spend an inordinate amount of time re-learning a tool which IMO falls short of the capabilities I have with exmh? But you're right, I am stubborn :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Slightly OT - Holographic media
http://www.cnet.com/techtrends/0-6014-8-20013825-1.html?tag=ld -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
10 most bizarre ways to destroy a laptop
http://www.completecomputercover.com/inlink/?topten -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Completely OT (More digital camera questions :)
Hi all, In my digital camera research, I've come up with a bung of questions: What's QVGA/Q2VGA wrt Movie Mode resolution? Is that file format spec? Anything to do with QuickTime? How many images can one expect to save on Type II CF in CCD Raw mode? Is it worth getting the 1GB IBM MicroDrive? What's the performance impact of CF vs. Microdrive? What's the price difference between similar sized CF and Microdrive ? Anyone out there have a Canon G2 they've had success with connecting to a Linux system? Is it worth getting the optional software bundle advertised with some cameras; i.e. Photoshop? Is there a need for filters on a digital camera, like there is for an SLR; e.g. skylight, polarizing, UV, etc. I'm sure I'll find these answers eventually on one of the many web pages you all sent me a while back. I'm in the middle of slogging through them now, and just came up with these questions and figured I'd ask. TIA! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Anyone using Mahogany?
Just curious what you think, and if it's any good as a news reader? I'm looking for a decent Windows-based news reader to recommend to people who are otherwise resigned to using Outlook :( Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
GNHLUG Quarterly Meeting Rescheduled to 10 July 2002
Hi all, Ximian has requested a rescheduling of our 26 June meeting to 10 July because Nat is unable to make the original date due to travelling conflict. Everyone who contacted me believed rescheduling the date was preferable to continuing without Nat and the Mono talk. For all those already registered, there is no need to re-register. If you will be unable to make the new 10 July date and have registered, please contact me privately at: pll+gnhlug at NoSpam lanminds dot com and I will remove you from the rsvp list. If you have not yet registered, and wish to do so, the registration form can be found here: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/register.html I apologize for the inconvenience, and thanks for your co-operation. -- Seeya, Paul Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) Chairman, Nashua Chapter GNHLUG http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/lug_cal/month.php * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug-announce' in the message body. *
Re: 2 nics, routes are wrong...
In a message dated: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:57:57 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm having a brain fart this morning. Well, I gues that was one big brain fart! It REALLY helps if the system you're trying to ping has it's interfaces up :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
GNHLUG Quarterly Meeting Rescheduled to 10 July 2002
Hi all, Ximian has requested a rescheduling of our 26 June meeting to 10 July because Nat is unable to make the original date due to travelling conflict. Everyone who contacted me believed rescheduling the date was preferable to continuing without Nat and the Mono talk. For all those already registered, there is no need to re-register. If you will be unable to make the new 10 July date and have registered, please contact me privately at: pll+gnhlug at NoSpam lanminds dot com and I will remove you from the rsvp list. If you have not yet registered, and wish to do so, the registration form can be found here: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/register.html I apologize for the inconvenience, and thanks for your co-operation. -- Seeya, Paul Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) Chairman, Nashua Chapter GNHLUG http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/lug_cal/month.php * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug-announce' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Just in case you forgot the password to something...
it's quite likely there's a default password, and the entire world already knows about it :) http://www.phenoelit.de/dpl/dpl.html http://www.mksecure.com/defpw/ http://www.cirt.net/cgi-bin/passwd.pl http://www.astalavista.com/library/auditing/password/lists/defaultpasswords.shtml -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: building debian linux kernels / NIC stops working in 2.4.18-k7
Try compiling your own kernel from source. Don't use the Debian packages. I've seldom had good luck with distributed/pre-compiled kernels. They're useful for installation purposes, but that's about it. I always get/use the source from kernel.org. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
2nd Quarter GNHLUG Meeting - Wednesday, 26 June 2002
PLEASE REGISTER IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON ATTENDING: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/register.html Who:All GNHLUG members, the general public, and anyone else who wants to come along. What: 2nd Quarterly meeting When: 19:30ish, 26 June 2002 Where: Daniel Webster College 20 University Drive Nashua, NH 03063 Why:To heckly Ben. Oh, and if, for some reason, you're tired of that, we have a fall back plan: Ximian Co-Founder and VP of Product Development Nat Friedman and friends will be coming to speak to us about GNOME and Ximian. Directions: http://www.dwc.edu/admissions/directions.asp A campus map is at this URL: http://web.dwc.edu/CampusMap/campus_map.html but do not expect to print it off at the last minute, as it is an active map, and does not show building names until you touch them with your mouse. A nice idea, but I would have been happy if a good old-fashioned 2-D map was also supplied. PLEASE REGISTER IF YOU ARE PLANNING ON ATTENDING: http://md.appropriatesolutions.com/gnhlug/register.html Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul Paul Lussier Senior Systems and Network Engineer Co-Chairman, Greater New Hampshire Linux User's Group (GNHLUG) Chairman, Nashua Chapter GNHLUG http://www.gnhlug.org Events: http://www.gnhlug.org/lug_cal/month.php * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug-announce' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: 2nd Quarter GNHLUG Meeting - Wednesday, 26 June 2002
In a message dated: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:01:10 EDT Rich Payne said: What is Nat [...snip...] going to actually speak about? [...snip...] his hampster louie? Actually, his hamster is named Ralph, and that's exactly what the talk will be about ;) Here's what we requested they come and speak about: - Ximian's business plan/roadmap How are you going to succeed when so many Linux companies have failed? How Ximian plans to capture the sizable community of businesses who are convinced they cannot live without Microsoft. (Since that appears to be your target market.) - What's all this about Mono and is it contagious :) - Plans for Evolution and Connector - GNOME and KDE How are the two working together What ideas are you sharing, borrowing However, Nat *really* wants to come just to speak about his hampster Ralph, so we said okay :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug-announce' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Windows Partition Spliter
In a message dated: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:56:08 EDT Ingham, Stephen said: I've heard of a Linux utility that will reduce the size a windows partition that takes up an entire hard. So that Linux can be installed on the left over space. But I can't remember the name of it. Does anybody know? fdisk? parted? -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Windows Partition Spliter
In a message dated: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:06:59 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There is commercial software (Partition Magic and Partition Commander are two I know of) that can resize all sorts of filesystems. Such software typically requires MS-Windows, or at least MS-DOS. Partition Commander actually comes with a bootable Windows floppy for this, so you don't actually need Windows. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Look before you post (was: 2nd Quarter GNHLUG Meeting)
In a message dated: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:35:02 EDT mike ledoux said: Realistically, there are only a small handful of people who have posted legitimate announcements to -announce in the last year or so, so that second method is probably massive overkill. Of course, there haven't been all that many instances where someone has mistakenly posted to - -announce in that timeframe either... And the discussion of this faux pas has actually caused more wasted bandwidth and effort than the total amount of mistaken postings to -announce in that time frame. Once again, ignoring the problem and excercising the delete key is more efficient than bitching about the problem :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Look before you post (was: 2nd Quarter GNHLUG Meeting)
In a message dated: 12 Jun 2002 16:02:45 EDT Paul Iadonisi said: I forgot if it was directly related to the bitching, but I thought the question as to whether a pet peeve was anything like a hamster made the whole discussion worth it :-). (Thanks, mod) And we're still waiting for an answer :) Ben, can your pet do tricks ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: drive mirroring
In a message dated: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:17:06 EDT Rich Payne said: Yes, this is what I was afraid of. It sounds like there is no way to safely mirror one drive to another without properly shutting down the source filesystem. So if I had the source drive copy itself, it's sort of the functional equivalent of a reboot after cutting power if I boot from the target drive, huh? I realize if I do it this way it's a total hack but if I shut down some services, would I be able to say with confidence that the mirror would boot or would the result be too iffy? This is on a production machine and I don't have the time/resources to do the proper thing, ie install a RAID controller. I've never had luck with copying a live filesystem. And in contrast, I've never had a problem with it. You should be able to: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb without a problem. Time will vary and lengthen with increasingly with large drives, and if you happen to be booted off of hda, then things will take a little longer than if you were dd'ing hdb to hdc. Copying a live drive will be faster if you do this in single user mode with as few services running as possible. The more things running, the longer it will take. Swap space also plays a part, since you will be dd'ing the swap area which is always active and changing. You should be able to then remove hdb and boot anothe system off of it. If you wish to boot this same system with both drives installed, you'll have to run lilo to point it to the boot image on the second drive. Hope this helps. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Detect output type in shell script
In a message dated: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:26:34 EDT Benjamin Scott said: On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, at 2:00pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahm, I don't think you can, since the shell is sending to STDOUT in this case, and STDOUT has been redirected at *shell* level to be someplace other than STDOUT; in this case, a file. STDOUT is simply file descriptor 1. (STDIN is FD 0, STDERR is FD 2.) All a shell does when it sets up redirection is close the appropriate FD, and then re-open it on another file (using the dup2(2) system call (I think)). The program being redirected simply outputs to the appropriate FD. As Michael O'Donnell points out, you can use the -t test to determine if a FD number is a tty or not. I expect that simply makes use of the isatty(3) library call. Right, but aren't there essentially 2 STDOUTs here? What the script thinks is STDOUT and what the parent shell thinks is STDOUT? In other words, the shell script has it's own copies of FDs 0,1, and 2 separate from that of the parent shell which spawned it. The parent shell is being told take all output from this script and throw it into this file. Whereas the script is being told, throw everything to STDOUT. Oh, wait, you just mentioned dup(2), never mind, I think I just realized the error of my reasoning (or lack thereof :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Detect output type in shell script
In a message dated: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:30:12 EDT Dan Coutu said: I do recall from my days working on Ultrix, er DEC OSF/1, I mean Digital UNIX, no make that Tru64 UNIX Don't you mean HP-UX ? ;) * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Ethernet device
In a message dated: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 20:02:19 EDT Benjamin Scott said: Ahhhmmm, I think you misunderstand the OP's point. The developers are working on the binary that needs the special privileges. All they need to do is add system(/bin/sh); near the top, and ... well, I'm sure you get the idea. Ohh! Yeah, I did misunderstand. Sorry. Ahm, can 'fakeroot' help with this? fakeroot - Gives a fake root environment. This is a standard package on Debian, which is used primarily by deb pkg maintainers for package build testing, etc. Don't know if it can be bent to the needs of the OP, but it might be worth a look-see. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: NFS issues
In a message dated: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 22:13:38 EDT t said: good luck; as always let me/us know if your still having problems.. No, I figured it out with help from that arrogant bahstid plussier at mindspring dot com, who pointed out that my /etc/nsswitch.conf file was looking at NIS for netgroup resolution, but I was trying to use local files for this, as NIS wasn't running. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Ok to mount ext3 fs as ext2 (read-only)?
In a message dated: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:54:02 EDT Mark Polhamus said: Can I mount a (cleanly unmounted) ext3 filesystem as an ext2 filesystem -- readonly, then go back and mount it as an ext3 filesystem again without converting it from ext2 back to ext3? I want to look at the filesystem using 2 different kernels, one of which does not have ext3 support. I believe so, however, while you're running as ext2, you have no journal support, so if you crash and mount as ext3, the journal won't accurately reflect the most recent state of things. It's probably not a wise thing to flip back and forth too often, but I don't think it will hurt in general as long as thing go right :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Message Boards
In a message dated: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:49:29 - Rich C said: The advantage of message boards over mailing lists is that YOU go to THEM, they do not come to you. Same goes for a news server. I also considered dropping THIS list once for that very same reason.) :o) Yeah, me too. Oh wait, I *did* once :) There is nothing inherently wrong with message boards. Their only downfall is who runs them. You can have some neat features, like todays active topics, threads sorted in order of most recent post, private messaging, and the ability to see who's on line, and you can prevent users from using html tags or ubb script to link to stupid sig images if you want. My view of message boards is that they're a poor man's news server with a slightly prettier interface. (the man is poor in 'root' ownership as you pointed out :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Ethernet device
In a message dated: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 14:47:47 EDT Brian Chabot said: So I had him chmod 4755 the binary. This works as a temperary solution, but as it is this binary they are working on, it would require all the users to have sudo and that would defeat the purpose. Ahhhm, I think you misunderstand sudo, it has very fine grained ACLs, and can even be configured to allow specified commands to be run without providing a password. So... He suggested that we chmod the *interface* device. AKA, eth1. Might work. But, in RH7.3, I can't locate the device name in /dev for eth1! Any ideas here? Are they using devfs? -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Peruvian Free SW Activism
Probably everyone is aware of this, but maybe not: http://www.pimientolinux.com/peru2ms/index.html Basically copies of the MS FUD letter sent to the Peruvian Congressman, and his reply translated into various languages. -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Timezone? - Re: Message Boards
In a message dated: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 16:19:25 EDT Bayard Coolidge USG said: The unification and resolution of the networks will be an ongoing effort, Which will change direction every 2-3 years as the company is continually bought, sold, or given away ;) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Message Boards
In a message dated: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 09:27:59 EDT Bill Sconce said: (Is a message board at all like a wiki?) You know, this whole wiki thing is one of those areas that I just don't get. Bruce has shown us Twiki at a MELBA meeting, I've poked around on our wiki that Bruce has set up, and a few others, and I *still* don't get it. What is it that people find so useful about these things? I find them more confusing and irritating than anything, and I'm sure it's because I just don't understand how they're *supposed* to be used. To me, FAQ-O-Matic is far more useful; it's hierarchical, it's quite structured, and can be used to disseminate information in a very straightforward and logical manner. I don't see that with wikis. And no, FAQ-O-Matic is not just restricted to FAQs or QA form, you can use it however you wish. Can someone please explain to me what I'm missing about wikis? I'd really like to understand it, especially if I can use it to my advantage :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Message Boards
In a message dated: 04 Jun 2002 11:15:45 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: On Tue, 2002-06-04 at 09:52, Michael O'Donnell wrote: Wouldn't pretty much any of the available NNTP servers satisfy those requirements? And FYI some of the specified features (and misfeatures) are normally managed by the client rather than the server. The intent of the two is pretty much the same: some sort of discussion forum. However, the method of delivering is different. Message boards are usually web-based, have a lot of useless features, and everything is stored on the server side. NNTP is like e-mail. It works, get's the job done, and the bells and whistles are dependant on the client. I don't entirely agree with all of that. NNTP stores everything on the server, and therefore you can archive it all there. Most clients connect to the server, but don't necessarilly download everything. I'm currently using GNUS for my news client, and connecting to 2 different servers, one *happens* to be my local system, but that's because my system *is* the NNTP server (leafnode). The other server is some remote corporate server in Belgium, and there isn't one news message that I have located on my system from that server. I connect to the server, suck down headers of the groups I'm interested in, and read the messages off of that server. The only thing I maintain locally is a news file which lists which articles in which groups I've already marked as read so I don't need to grab those again. Really, the big difference between NNTP and message boards is that NNTP is for those who understand that ascii text is the best way to communicate and message boards are for those who think eye-candy matters :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: http://www.whizwireless.com/
In a message dated: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:40:37 EDT Ben Boulanger said: My condolences. For those interested, a guy here at work is getting a t1 installed for under $800 and $250/mo + bandwidth (billed fractionally) Wow! For those prices I may as well go that way! The upfront costs of satellite are about $600-700. For $800 installation charge and $250/mo, it's almost worth it (though that's still $200/mo more than I pay for my lousy dial-up, which would be a pretty increase for me!) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
NFS issues
Hi all, I think I'm suffering from brain cramps again today :) I have a Debian system with nfs-common/nfs-kernel packages installed. I have another system with nfs-client installed. On the server, the /etc/exports file has the following entry: /usr/foo@netgroup(ro) /etc/netgroup has: netgroup(client,,) /etc/hosts has: 128.221.30.37 client On client, when I try: mount -t nfs server:/usr/foo /mnt I get the error: mount: server:/usr/foo failed, reason given by server: Permission denied In the /var/log/messages file on 'server', I see: Jun 4 14:31:44 server rpc.mountd: refused mount request from client for \ /usr/foo (/): no export entry /usr is a separate file system, last I knew I didn't need to export / for other file systems to be exported. Anyone see this before? NFS is compiled into the kernel (2.4.18), /etc/hosts.[allow,deny] are both empty. Any ideas? Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Message Boards
In a message dated: 03 Jun 2002 10:13:34 EDT Kenneth E. Lussier said: Hi All, Does anyone out there have any experience with building/running message boards? I was asked to find something that was Like the Message Boards on AOL. This, of course, is difficult for me, since I don't use AOL. However, the basic things that I think I need are 1) Multiple views (threaded, topic/tree, etc.) 2) Ability to see new posts only 3) HTML support (so poeple can post in different colors (people are wierd)) and 3) registration support. Tell them HTML is evil and not to use it, then show them that news server you've secretly been hiding in the corner :) news does threading, you can set up kill-folders, do all sorts of neat things with it, and it's easily archivable. Much better than message boards IMO :) But that's me, and I'm weird, I *like* using a philips head screwdriver on philips head screw instead of the far more prevalent 5lb. sledge hammer :) -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Completely OT
I need to buy a digital camera. I want a good one, that's easily usable with Linux (USB conn. is fine if it works :) I've been thinking about: the Nikon CoolPix 995 the Canon G2 the Olympus E20 I've heard that the coolpix went downhill from the 990 to the 995, and further down hill still to the 5000. There's also a huge price difference between the 3 I listed above, with the E20 being the most expensive at $1600 and the 995 being $700. Anyone else have one of these, or, something else entirely that you feel strongly in favor of/against? I know very little about digital photography, and the terms used to descripe the camera capabilities seem complete foreign to me, coming from the old analog world of SLR cameras. Any advice, information, comments, complaints, and/or wisdom would be greatly appreciated :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: FYI, Linux gains ...
In a message dated: 31 May 2002 10:38:14 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: PS http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/150/business/Linux_gains_in_government+.shtml Until recently, Linux filtered into US government computers through system administrators who simply installed it because it is cheap. I object and disagree with this statement. I believe that Linux filtered into the US govt through sysadmins, but it had little to do with cost. Rather, it is far more likely that is has to do with the facts that: - it worked far better than anything they *currently* had - they didn't need to go through the insane procurement cycle to get it - they could it get faster than anything which required going through the insane procurement cycle - and it ran on the otherwise obsolete systems which would require replacing were they to use anything else. - if they chose anything else, they would be forced through the insane procurement cycle not once, but twice, once for the sw, once for hw. Okay, so, maybe utimately it did save a *huge* amount of taxpayer money by going with Linux, but personally, I think the initial decision was motivated out preservation of what little sanity they had left more than anything :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
WeDAV?
Hi all, I just ran across a mention of WebDAV. I've seen references to it before, but never looked into. I just went to the WebDAV forum on sourceforge and browsed the FAQ, but I still don't get it. What is it, who uses it, why? What types of things does WebDAV make easier, and what are similar technologies which it might replace? In short, what can WebDAV do to improve my life :) -- Seeya, Paul * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
