[Goanet] Comedy Of Error And Judgment
Comedy Of Error And Judgment Of late Goa has been suffering form an acute bout of comedy of errors and judgments. The suspension of one of the most revered Judge, Judge Desmond D'Costa has emphasized the magnanimity of this folly and exposed the raw underbelly of our justice system. I had the privilege of being associated with Judge Desmond D'Costa in School at Loyola and then as an activist in the eighties. He had an unmatched persona as a student, as a student leader, as an activist, as a lawyer and subsequently as a judge. His ethics, honesty and dedication all along has been impeccable and I know a lot of people who have known him since his early days, they do perceive him as a role model, they are right in every which way. His unprecedented suspension has indeed brought up questions about the credibility of our Justice system. For every suspension in any department anywhere in the world, always has a valid reason and that reason is stated to the person concerned or to the head of that department by the hierocracy. In the case of Judge Desmond, reasons or for that matter reason for his suspension has not yet been stated or revealed even though there has been a hue and cry all over Goa at his suspension, this itself says, that there is lot more than meets the eye, in the suspension order of Judge Desmond D'Costa. The support from his professional colleagues has been overwhelming and I hope a lot more people will join in support for Judge Desmond. It is good to see all our lawyers taking up the gauntlet for truth and justice. I do hope the hierocracy in the justice department will see the error in their judgment and reinstate Judge Desmond D'Costa with dignity and the respect that he so rightly deserves. I was once hoping that Judge Desmond would give up his job and join politics, as we Goans badly need people of his high caliber to run the day to day affairs of Goa, this could yet be a blessing in disguise but not before Judge Desmond D'Costa's respect and dignity is restored and the comedy of error and judgment is brought to an abrupt end. Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Point-and-Shoot
To Goanet - http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2011/02/13/point-and-shoot Regards, r
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Some more Mapusa Market pics
Talking Photos: Some more Mapusa Market pics What type of tea would you like to have? Masala, Vanila, Cardamon, Rose, Chocolate...?? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5438987243/sizes/l/ Rs.25 per kg http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439594946/sizes/l/ These are not ordinary sticks 1 foot long stick Rs.20 each http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5438990529/sizes/l/ Learn to save money And teach your kids while they are young As big as football but not to play with http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5438991495/sizes/l/ from Rs.80 to Rs.20 they are both same but the difference between the red and the white is Rs.5 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439598882/sizes/l/ People still use this for cutting meat, fish, veggies etc (and coconut grating ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5438993907/sizes/l/ Everything local and herbal Including ‘porpotto’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439601372/sizes/l/ Remember this? Adoli, knives, scissors setc sharpener It also reminds me of Jaya Bhaduri in the 1973 film ZANJEER 'Chaku Churiya Tez Karalo' http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5438996599/sizes/l/ These vendors spoiling the beauty of Shakuntala Athe area surround ing should be cleared off MMC, will you take note of this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439652184/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439042589/sizes/l/ There is no drinking water here the space used as storage by the vendors http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439043799/sizes/l/ Bonus pic: Sita follam or anonam http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk32/5439650904/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Herald to be acquired by Timblo?
If Herald newspaper is bought by Timblo, it is time to exercise our power of the consumer , and simply stop buying this newspaper. Given that most of the Goan press is controlled by the mining barons, real freedom of expression in newspapers in Goa is dwindling rapidly, in fact it practically does not exist anymore. It might be time to launch an alternative newspaper as soon as possible, especially now as elections approach. The mining barons have all the power, but no sense of responsibility that goes with that power. Carmen Miranda There is background chatter that Timblo is buying the Herald newspaper. Lending weight to the rumour is the fact that Timblo's PR flack has assumed editorship of the weekend editions of the paper, while Tombat stains the pages during the weekdays. If it comes to pass, it will be a nice move just in time for the Assembly elections. Digu's image within the Catholic community is in desperate need of a major repair job. We can expect puff pieces on Digu Kangress, and photos of Digu attending mass at dawn, attending midnight mass, and Digu personally fixing a blown-out bulb on a cross atop a village chapel. Timblo may also be honoring another tradition - that of appointing fifth-rate migrants, scraped from the bottom of the barrel, to the top post. On a related subject - Tombat seems to have stopped publishing my letters (I had sent one last week on the noise pollution menace). I thought the chap would know by now that there is no way he can prevent me (or any other determined Goan) from getting my views out to the Goan people. He ought to ask the Mallu migrant ex-editor who has understood this basic point well. By the way, all the migrant editors of Goa's English dailies are diligent readers of Goanet, and all of them are equally fervent in pretending that they don't read Goanet. Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Eucharistic Miracles
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com ...It is a well established understanding that science only deals with natural phenomena, and provides rational natural explanations for them. **Santosh is right. Science deals with natural phenomena. In the case of Eucharistic phenomenon at Lanciano, medical science identifies the flesh as heart, striated myocardial muscle, with AB group group pellets of blood, with the same weight, whatever the combination. Science cannot explain how this happened. But Science can verify the fact that is present till today. It is up to the theologian to infer that this is transsubstatiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus, as he had promised (See Jn 6:35.54-56: He who feeds (Greek: trogei) on my flesh and drinks my blood has life eternal, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is real food, and my blood real drink.). We believe in the words of Jesus rather than in the pseudoscientific conclusions of the half-baked neuroscientist, Dr.Santosh Helekar. His conclusion is a belief, without any foundation, not even scientific real foundation. Being an agnostic, he is unable to infer. Just quoting contrary links is not a scientific solution. It is rather scientific illiteracy and pedantry. Only belief in God and in the words of Jesus gives us the solution of this enigma, already verified by medical science. Science has nothing to do with anybody's parochial supernatural beliefs in miracles, myths or anything else. **Santosh is absolutely wrong, as usual. Science attests to the fact that there is heart with blood pellets on the altar (monstrance), till today, without any preservatives. Any further links against this fact are out of place. Science cannot say that it is the heart of JESUS of NAZARETH, but can only give and has already given details about the heart structure and blood grouping (AB) and chemical characteristics: in the blood, there were found proteins in the same normal proportions as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of fresh, normal blood. In the blood, there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium. The preservation of the flesh and of the blood, which were left in their natural state for more than twelve centuries (without any chemical preservatives) and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon. The five pellets of coagulated Blood are different sizes and shapes. But any combination weighs the same as the total. In other words, 1 weighs the same as 2, 2 weigh the same as 3, and 3 weigh the same as 5. How to explain this phenomenon? Theology has already explained it. The physician, Dr.Odoardo Linoli, has given a note at the end of the Report: Though it is alien to my task strictly speaking, I feel I should insert the following reflection into the study just completed: the clarification, which comes through in these studies, of the nature of the flesh gives little support to the hypothesis of a 'fraud' perpetrated centuries ago. As a matter of fact supposing that the heart may have been taken from a cadaver, I maintain that only a hand experienced in anatomic dissection would have been able to obtain from a hollow internal organ such a uniform cut (as can still be glimpsed in the flesh). Indeed, it would have been difficult, next to impossible, for anyone to have cut a slice of the heart in the way that it was done. He also states that it is highly doubtful that there was any fraud involved. Another unusual characteristic of the blood is that when liquified, it has retained the chemical properties of freshly shed blood. When we cut ourselves and stain our clothes, the chemical properties of the blood are gone within 20 to 30 minutes. If blood is not refrigerated within an hour maximum, the composition rapidly breaks down. If blood were taken from a dead body, it would lose its qualities quickly through decay. This blood is over 1250 years old and still contains all its properties, chemicals and protein of freshly shed blood. And yet in the testing, it was determined that no preservatives of any kind were found in the blood. Indeed, an Eucharistic miracle that cannot be denied by anybody, though nobody can shout the mouths of the fools! People are free to believe whatever they want, as long as they are not causing harm to anybody or spreading misinformation regarding important matters such as public health in public forums. **People are free to believe whatever they want. YES and NO!. All the people are not fools all the time to believe without a foundation. If the Church had taught that it is the heart of Jesus against the confirmation by Science, she would have harmed public sanity. Medical science confirms the belief of the Church. This belief is not a myth, nor parochial. It is unscientific to deny the fact, as the great neuroscientist is doing all
[Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
India invaded Goa please read the UN documents. After 61 most Goans were forced to become Indians they had no choice. Nehru had promised elections but there were none. The nail was finally driven into the coffin when in 1974 in a non consultation process Goa was handed on a platter for further colonization. Congratulations to GS for telling how it is after 50 years of neo colonization. BC Goa was conquered by the Portuguese in 1510. India conquered Goa in 1961. Most Goans living in Goa today consider themselves Indian. Why would they want to vote for Goa Su-Raj whose founder does not consider himself an Indian, and holds Goa's independence from India as his ideal goal? Cheers, Santosh *
[Goanet] Herald to be acquired by Timblo?
Rajan Parrikar wrote: There is background chatter that Timblo is buying the Herald newspaper. Lending weight to the rumour is the fact that Timblo's PR flack has assumed editorship of the weekend editions of the paper, while Tombat stains the pages during the weekdays. If it comes to pass, it will be a nice move just in time for the Assembly elections. Digu's image within the Catholic community is in desperate need of a major repair job. We can expect puff pieces on Digu Kangress, and photos of Digu attending mass at dawn, attending midnight mass, and Digu personally fixing a blown-out bulb on a cross atop a village chapel. Timblo may also be honoring another tradition - that of appointing fifth-rate migrants, scraped from the bottom of the barrel, to the top post. Carmen Miranda wrote: If Herald newspaper is bought by Timblo, it is time to exercise our power of the consumer , and simply stop buying this newspaper. Given that most of the Goan press is controlled by the mining barons, real freedom of expression in newspapers in Goa is dwindling rapidly, in fact it practically does not exist anymore. It might be time to launch an alternative newspaper as soon as possible, especially now as elections approach. The mining barons have all the power, but no sense of responsibility that goes with that power. COMMENTS: Whether acquired or not, the Suj boy is not acceptable. I have already stopped buying since the day Suj boy took over weekends. Remember how Wendel Rodrigues threw him out of ToI party? Recollect how Florian wanted him to be blown off from Moira? Remember how he played a dog (sorry if ofensive to dog) in suing Seby? Recollect how Venita exposed the wolf in sheep's clothing? Remember what he said: Goa's green movement has shades of black? Recollect how Claude shredded his views to pieces? Can such a mentality be allowed to poison Goan minds? For now, Join in boycotting weekends. Nobert
[Goanet] Obituary: John Mascarenhas (Bombay / Kuwait / Cansa-Tivim)
O B I T U A R Y John Mascarenhas (Bombay-Everard Nagar / Kuwait / Cansa-Tivim, Goa) Died: 13 Feb 2011 Photo:http://bit.ly/iad8BK Beloved husband of Elizabeth Mascarenhas Son of Late Salvador Anthony Julie Mascarenhas Brother/Brother-in-law of Maxiana/Caji Menezes, Maria/Jerome Menezes, Espy/Ronald D'Souza, Linda/Reginald D'Souza and Marina/Gustav Rodricks Uncle of Shane Shaun, Jason/Michellene Jonathan/Candice, Jared Joshna, Rachel Rebecca, Nathan Nadine Passed away after a long and courageous fight on Feb 13, 2011 in Goa. Funeral details unavailable at this time. Goanet Obit www.goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] How to get rid of Corruption
Read the reply I got from Transparency International about India's CPI: Dear Rajendra, Thank you for your interest in Transparency International’s (TI) work and specifically your enquiry regarding India ’s scores on the Corruptions Perceptions Index. Your email was passed on to me, as I am responsible for this indicator, together with TI’s two other main tools, namely the Bribe Payers Index, and the Global Corruption Barometer. I will try to answer each of your questions in turn: 1. CPI for India in the year 2000 was 2.8, which has gone up to 3.3 in the year 2010. Does this mean that corruption has reduced in India over the decade? Ans: The CPI captures corruption perceptions, rather than incidence of corruption. Specifically it captures (largely business executives and country experts) opinions on the proliferation of corruption in a country’s public sector. Thus the change in CPI cannot conclusively state that actual corruption in India has fallen over this period. 2. Given its methodology, CPI is not a tool that is useful for trend analysis or for monitoring the changes in the perceived levels of corruption over time for all countries. Can it also mean that despite CPI going up from 2.8 to 3.3, the corruption has actually increased? Ans: The CPI score is compiled based on the availability of a range of surveys for each country. As such, the source data for India for 2000 is different from that of 2010. Even if the sources were identical for India for these two years, the percentile matching approach we employ to standardise scores means that we take India’s ranking from each survey, such that it is relative to the other countries ranked and any change in the countries covered by each survey can alter the standardised score attributed to India. Finally, changes have been made to the methodology of the CPI itself over the 15 years since its establishment. These methodological reasons limit the application of the CPI as time series data. From the change in CPI scores over the 10 year period, we can conclude neither that Corruption has decreased nor that it has actually increased. Rather, the CPI is an important Index which captures corruption perception around the world on any given year, and can rank countries globally with the index now covering 178 countries. Indeed please also refer to our two other tools which I mentioned above, which also capture other elements of corruption in any given country. As corruption is in its very nature difficult to measure, we need a set of tools in order to make affirmative judgements, particularly changes over time. I hope this answers your questions. Kind regards, Deborah Hardoon
Re: [Goanet] Herald to be acquired by Timblo?
Plans are open for ' GOA SENTINEL ' to make a CLAN RUN for GOA. How do you guys stand on this?? The first editor to be a Bombay/Canadian GOAN is in place and/or willing to take up the assignment. All that is required is the WILL to be the Nitish Kumar of Bihar. Ironically read the Week-End Editorial of O HERALD O. Originating from the Suj-Boy :-) Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Nobert Carvalho nobertcarva...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: [Goanet] Herald to be acquired by Timblo? Rajan Parrikar wrote: There is background chatter that Timblo is buying the Herald newspaper. Lending weight to the rumour is the fact that Timblo's PR flack has assumed editorship of the weekend editions of the paper, while Tombat stains the pages during the weekdays. Carmen Miranda wrote: If Herald newspaper is bought by Timblo, it is time to exercise our power of the consumer , and simply stop buying this newspaper. It might be time to launch an alternative newspaper as soon as possible, especially now as elections approach. The mining barons have all the power, but no sense of responsibility that goes with that power. COMMENTS: Whether acquired or not, the Suj boy is not acceptable. I have already stopped buying since the day Suj boy took over weekends. Remember how Wendel Rodrigues threw him out of ToI party? Recollect how Florian wanted him to be blown off from Moira? Remember how he played a dog (sorry if ofensive to dog) in suing Seby? Recollect how Venita exposed the wolf in sheep's clothing? Remember what he said: Goa's green movement has shades of black? Recollect how Claude shredded his views to pieces? Can such a mentality be allowed to poison Goan minds? For now, Join in boycotting weekends. Nobert
Re: [Goanet] Herald to be acquired by Timblo?
Rajan is right. There is a strong rumour doing the rounds about a Digu aide purchasing 34% stake in Herald. Not at all surprising if it turns out to be true. The planting of domesticated editors of the mining lobby in Herald is itself a pointer of the objectives. Intellectual poisoning of the Salcette Goan. This must be read with the press report about the Election Commission checking the nationalities of voters in Salcette Taluka. Their eyes have been carefully set in destroying or confusing the last bastion of the Goan people. The assault is three pronged; TV, newspaper, cultural centres and EC. Goans, of Salcette particularly, need to understand the larger game plan and turn to alternative sources of information other than Herald and mining controlled TV channels. Consumer power needs to be demonstrated because after all it is the circulation and viewership that brings in the commercial and political domination of the publishing houses. Goans need to patronise only those newspapers that employ Goan editors. Goans need to reverse this trend of being taken for granted by the economic and political forces in the State. Goans should not fall for those crocodile tears shed by Editors over the plight of Goa and Goans. -Soter
Re: [Goanet] CM made give assurance in writting
These assurances don’t have any meaning… And if G P Naik is involved it’s even worse.. This chap Naik is a tool…. and knows that all else are fools… to believe that the assurance will be honored. BTW… When he was mamlatdar at Sanguem… he illegally transferred Comminidad land in Rivona in the name of his childhood friend… from Cuncolim … Ramakanta Angle…. That land is destined to be raped…. pilip neri de Souza
[Goanet] THE PUBLIC MEET WILL BE AT AZAD MAIDAN
The Public meeting on February 14th at 5 pm will now be at Azad Maidan itself, instead of the Goa Chamber of Commerce Hall. Let us in one voice protest against this sudden and unwarranted suspension of Judge Desmond D'Costa and the further persecution of Judge Anuja Prabhudesai. This has to be a Citizens' initiative to condemn the injustice being meted out to these outstanding Judges. Let us stand in solidarity with these distinguished judges. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
[Goanet] This 54 year old beauty still going strong
This 54 year old beauty still going strong http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra2/5440674919/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra2/5441277520/sizes/l/ OMVN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8msudFf_GM joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] a request
Eugene, my suggestion -- you can disagree without being disagreeable :-) FN dis·agree·able adj \-ə-bəl\ Definition of DISAGREEABLE 1: causing discomfort : unpleasant, offensive a disagreeable odor 2: marked by ill temper : peevish a disagreeable person http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disagreeable Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 13 February 2011 07:44, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, Fred did not see the satire in the statement Thanks goanet for ruining one of my very few old friendshipes. Perhaps, most straightforward would be, Thanks to myself for writing frankly and fearlessly on goanet and for sparking off arguments with those who have no balls to counter my views on goanet but rather on a telephone. I just feel l should stop writing on goanet lest I lose more friends. Like I mentioned in an earlier post about a goanetter (without name the person) who has suddenly become non-active I feel I should also get myself into that category. Suggestions welcome from friends and enemies alike.
Re: [Goanet] PUBLIC MEETING IN SUPPORT OF JUDGE DESMOND D'COSTA
Desmond has our full support. The Government should be explicit and clear . Ashley D'Silva -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Aires Rodrigues Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:24 AM To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] PUBLIC MEETING IN SUPPORT OF JUDGE DESMOND D'COSTA A public meeting will be held on February 14th at 5 pm at the Goa Chamber of Commerce Hall, Opp Azad Maidan at Panaji to protest against the sudden suspension of Judge Desmond D'Costa. It is a citizens' initiative to condemn the injustice meted out to this outstanding Judge. We need to stand in solidarity with this distinguished judge. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
[Goanet] GOACAN calls for immediate Govt. intervention for the reinstatement of Judge Desmond D'Costa.
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help other CONSUMERS to be better informed. - GOACAN calls for immediate Govt. intervention for the reinstatement of Judge Desmond D'Costa GOACAN is deeply concerned about the suspension notice issued to Additional District Sessions Judge Desmond D'Costa and calls for the immediate revocation of the same and an inquiry into the circumstances that has led to the issuance of the notice. The non-transparent manner in which the suspension notice has been issued has cast a shadow on the independence of the judicial set up causing the average citizen to conclude that vested interests have got the upper hand. GOACAN is concerned about the procedures presently in use for disciplinary action within the judiciary for the State of Goa. It would be appropriate that an internal inquiry be first conducted to examine if any substantial issues merit an action of suspension. Merely relying on a single complaint by a single judge to issue a suspension order is uncalled for in a democratic setup. The method of issuing a suspension order prior to holding an inquiry as also in the case of Ms. Anuja Prabhudesai, Additional District Sessions Judge Presiding Officer, Industrial Tribunal Labour Court which is now being used on Judge Desmond D'Costa smells off a deep rooted bias being displayed to Judges of Goan origin. Citizens of Goa have been left with no other option but to suspect these developments as systematic efforts to curtail the rise of Judges of Goan origin to assume higher judicial positions. GOACAN is also of the opinion that citizens must now dwell on the merits of Goa having its own High Court and the related issues of promotions which would then provide opportunities for judges of Goan origin to even occupy positions in the Supreme Court of India. GOACAN calls upon the Government of Goa to urgently intervene and ensure that Judge Desmond D'Costa is reinstated with immediate effect and thereby avoid a massive citizens agitation, the consequences of which will be the sole responsibility of the Government. -- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK -- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa -- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mail: goa...@gmail.com Visit: http://goacan.blogspot.com -
[Goanet] Books to learn Konkani
Dear Bosco who wrote: Based on a query I received earlier today, I am trying to compile a list of self-help books to learn Konkani. Can anybody recommend titles, authors, etc. Here's one: http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Learn-Konkani-S-J-Borkar/dp/1553941322 Let's Learn Konkani by S. J. Borkar is one I'm aware about if (as I presume) the chap who asked you knows only the Roman Script. The Amazon price mentioned in the URL above is a wee bit too inflated though and is available much cheaper in Goa. There's also Spoken Konkani by Prof. Edward D'Lima who nowadays is Dayanand Narvekar's best friend, if the newspaper advertisements are any evidence. It's a sort of Konkani phrase book. Before FN posts it himself, I'll post his review: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet-news@lists.goanet.org/msg00063.html Flipping through my pile of books I found a curiosity: 'SPEAK KONKANI (THE GOAN LANGUAGE) AND HAVE FUN: A Pocket Interpreter by Michael and Tomoko Lobo, FinDoll Communications and Publications, 119 Lobo's Vaddo, Parra, Goa, 1993. Its a slim 33 page pocket size book, which says on the first page: 'Many Goans understand English, but if you say, Dayo bor-ray koru. (thank you), they will open up their homes to you. So join us Goan Lovers; be Goan. SPEAK KONKANI AND HAVE FUN. This is also a phrase book which gives a list of sentences in English which one could possibly ;) use in everyday situations. I'll quote some Konkani sentences from it which may come in handy for Gonadians like Bosco on the beach on Valentine's Day. Ten kisses to all those who can translate this into English: 1) Two egdom bor-ray dista 2) Two-jay now kitay? 3) Two coy routa 4) Two English ooloy-ta? 5) Two-zo photo car-do? 6) Marjay bar-obor oobo, photo car-doonk rouw - she? (to a woman) 7) Two-ka kitay peone gay-unc? 8) Marjay bari kitay pea-yay. 9) Eyes sanjay marjay bari jayunc yay-she? 10) Borem aiz rar-tea meouta. Happy Valentines' Day!! Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
Re: [Goanet] Eucharistic Miracles
Let me reiterate that my interest in this discussion is only to provide accurate medical scientific information, and in refuting the bogus claims made in the post appended below that a relic preserved in Italy has been confirmed by modern science to be of miraculous origin. I have no interest in denying the genuine faith (devoid of any need for confirmation by science) of people in this forum in the parochial supernatural beliefs of their own religion. So what I am writing below is meant only for people who are interested in knowing why the rambling claims made in the post appended below, laced with personal insults against me, and in the original study by the anatomist O. Linoli, do not pass scientific muster. I have already explained the shortcomings of the original study by Linoli in an earlier post more than 2 years ago on Goanet. Here I would like to explain them in greater detail. I have in my possession the original paper by Linoli published in an obscure Italian publication. Having read its translation, and being in possession of a professional background in medical science and research, I can conclude the following: 1. The study fails to show that the material examined is fresh tissue and blood, as has been claimed in the post below and elsewhere. a) The tissue is highly degraded, contaminated with fungal colonies and has poor structural integrity. b) The so-called blood does not show any intact cells or biological structures in it. The material failed to pass two important chemical tests for blood. It contains more than 10 times the normal concentration of calcium in it (114.29 mg% compared to the normal range of 9 - 11 mg%). It has highly reduced concentrations of chloride, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium and sodium, compared to normal blood. It is contaminated with fragments of vegetable material. 2. The study fails to perform any conclusive objective tests to determine whether the tissue and blood are of human origin. A simple microscopic examination and ABO blood typing is woefully inadequate to conclude that the material examined is of human origin. 3. The study does not do any test to determine that the relics are from the 8th century. 4. The study does not do any test to determine that they indeed miraculously emerged from inanimate material. 5. The study does not do any test to determine that they belonged to the right person. 6. The claim that the blood was of type AB contradicts the belief that its owner had only a single set of 22 autosomes (non-sex chromosomes) derived from his mother. This is because only a person with 2 sets of autosomes, each set derived from the mother and father, can have type AB blood. Normal human beings have two sets of paired chromosomes. The genes (alleles) for blood group antigens A and B are located on the 9th chromosome. For type AB blood, one allele (for A or B) has to come from a 9th chromosome from the mother and the other allele (B or A) has to come from the other 9th chromosome in the pair from the father. A person with type AB blood indicates one of three possibilities, as far as his parents' blood types are concerned. The parents had type A and type B blood, type AB and type A blood, or type AB and type B blood. 7. Regarding the claim of type AB blood in the Shroud of Turin, the shroud itself has been scientifically determined to be a 14th century artifact. The purported blood spots on it have been shown to be ochre and vermilion pigments. Blood typing could not be confirmed by independent scientific investigation. The initial blood typing was conducted on shroud fibers stuck to a piece of tape handled by the investigators. Those who have a medical or scientific background, and would like to read the original paper of Linoli in Italian, are welcome to request a copy of it from me. They can get it translated and examine the photomicrographs and the results described in it with their own eyes. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Ivo icso...@bsnl.in wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com ...It is a well established understanding that science only deals with natural phenomena, and provides rational natural explanations for them. **Santosh is right. Science deals with natural phenomena. In the case of Eucharistic phenomenon at Lanciano, medical science identifies the flesh as heart, striated myocardial muscle, with AB group group pellets of blood, with the same weight, whatever the combination. Science cannot explain how this happened. But Science can verify the fact that is present till today. It is up to the theologian to infer that this is transsubstatiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus, as he had promised (See Jn 6:35.54-56: He who feeds (Greek: trogei) on my flesh and drinks my blood has life eternal, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is real food, and my blood real drink.). We believe in the words of Jesus
[Goanet] Salcete Portuguese passport holders under radar of poll officials
HERALD REPORTER MARGAO: Portuguese passport holders, beware. Booth Level Officers (BLOs) have fanned out to various corners of Salcete to strike down the names of voters, who are now Portuguese passport holders, from the electoral rolls. Three months after the Foreigners branch came out with a detailed list of hundreds of Portuguese passport holders across the state, election officials right down at the booth level are tracking down the names as part of the exercise to delete the names. Says Salcete Mamlatdar Paresh Faldessai: Booth level Officers have been entrusted with the job of deletion of names of Portuguese passport holders from the electoral list. The exercise is already underway at the booth level. With the Election Commission appointing one Assistant Electoral Returning Officer for each of the eight assembly constituencies in Salcete, the exercise is being supervised by these AEROs as per the directions of the Election Commission. Incidentally, information revealed that many a Portuguese passport holders have voluntarily made their presence felt before the AEROs for deletion of names from the electoral list. My office itself has seen many Portuguese passport holders applying for deletion of names from the electoral list. Apart from this, the Booth Level Officers are carrying out the exercise at the booth level, Faldessai added. Electoral Officer, N S Navti says the Election Commission has initiated the exercise after receiving a list of names of people who have acquired Portuguese passports. No sooner, the Electoral Office receives a report from the police department, the same is forwarded to the Assistant Electoral Returning Officers, who in turn marks the same to the Booth Level Officers for action, Navti said. Saying that a Portuguese passport holder ceases to be an Indian citizen after acquiring the passport of the foreign country, Navti said only citizens of India are entitled to enroll their names on the electoral list and to cast vote. Sources in the know that the Booth Level Officers are conducting inquiries into the nationality status of grass root level politicians. http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Local%20News/Salcete-Portuguese-passport-holders-under-radar-of-poll-officials/45614.html
[Goanet] 2G SCAM: Sonia, Manmohan more responsible than Raja
When two sides negotiate, each side tries to get the best for his side. Corporate trying to get best for their shareholders is nothing wrong provided they do not do anything illegal. Securing the public side was the duty of Raja-Manmohan-Sonia trio. They failed miserably. Before issuing show-cause notices to corporates, FIRs must be filed and notices be issued not only to Raja, Manmohan and bureaucrats involved, but also to Sonia, who is the decision maker by conduct as every advertisement of central government credits Sonia for her role in decision making. Let us for moment assume that Raja was not aware of the price at which 2G licences could be sold. Even than it is hard to assume that Montek and economist Manmohan did not appraised Sonia about the possible bid 2G licences could fetch. Rajendra
Re: [Goanet] a request
Pandu, you of choris-and-pao fame: Your post reminded me of Sacrula de Saligao. As kids we mocked the Pope of All Religions, but I feel bad for that now. Maybe he too had a superior wisdom which we could not understand. The formula of how to stay sane in a crazy world :-) FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 13 February 2011 09:53, Pandu Lampiao pan...@gmail.com wrote: remind you...Goan villages have characters, some of them still aroundand not many know their real names. Its just a little fun.
[Goanet] The anti-corruption Tsunami is fast approaching Goan shores - Bihar Style - Cheers !
http://www.oheraldo.in/newpage.php?month=2day=12year=2011catid=15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM Seize property of the corrupt, Bihar style This is a story from the latest issue of the Forbes India magazine, headlined Bribeless in Bihar, which details a complete turnaround of the state from lawlessness and corruption to a change agent which is doing a cleanup act. The change agent is the Chief Minister Nitish Kumar and his tool for change is an extraordinary legislation initiated and enacted by him called the Special Courts Act 2009. In a single stroke, Kumar developed a tool which would take away the main after affect of corruption-ill gotten wealth. The new law provides for a summary confiscation of property of al government officials found to be having more assets than their income justifies. The act comes into force when investigating agencies are convinced that an official owns assets in excess of his known source of income. Then even as it pursues a corruption case against the official, the state separately seeks to take control of his assets. The vigilance department moves one of the six special courts set up for the purpose to fast track the hearings declaring that an official has amassed unexplained wealth. The property is then held while the court conducts speedy trials within six months and decides if the property should be confiscated or not. If acquitted the property is returned with five percent interest. If not the state takes over the property for a public purpose. Under the Prevention of Corruption Act, Vigilance officials have to get a clearance to prosecute a bureaucrat from his very own department. The Special Courts Act has made this redundant by hitting where it hurts. Property. And that is not all. A Special Vigilance Unit has been set up by the Bihar government to go after the big fish. This unit consists of crack team of former CBI officers and sits in a separate office. This team caught the former Director General of Police, Bihar Narayan Mishra and state drug controller YK Jaiswal with wealth, which according to Forbes Magazine, is enough to finance annual budgets of entire villages. Both of them will have one or more properties confiscated. All this has been possible only because Bihar has a Chief Minister with a political will to do this. Does Goa's Chief Minister have the will to do the same? We do not have the time to do any further lip service on corruption. Goa should without fail draft a Special Courts Act along the lines of the Bihar Act, form a Special Vigilance unit with handpicked team of officers, most definitely from outside the state and start zeroing in on government officials, including police officers who have built giant bungalows all over the state. Even IPS and IAS officials who were posted in Goa have bought land and houses, as their holiday homes. While these may be legal, a look at these properties is justified. Moreover given the stench of corruption and criminality associated with the Anti narcotics Cell, a special vigilance unit should probe the assets and wealth of every officer, inspector and constable associated with the ANC for the past five years at the very least. Next on the list-politicians. There are so many rags to riches stories of Goan politicians, that the stories have reached a level of boredom . Some worked in factories, others were contractors, one senior controversial politician started off as a motorcycle pilot and now has properties dotting every town of Goa. Another reportedly has a flat in very building project he helped by way of licences and permissions. If there is a strong belief that these properties were built through ill gotten wealth or were the actual bribes, they should be seized and held till special courts dispense justice . If this successful model wasn't in place in Bihar, this debate would have been dumped as a wishful exercise. But no state including Goa has an excuse now. The Bihar Special Courts Act 2009 has been eventually signed into law by the President of India in March 2010. Though this has been challenged , the challengers are mainly officers from Bihar whose properties have been confiscated in disproportionate assets cases. Bihar has shown the way. Does Goa have the guts to follow? COMMENTS Goa Su-Raj Party was founded as GOA'S new political 'ORDER' in the year 2000 and was registered with the Election Commission of India on 31 August, 2000. The single purpose of this Goa's new political ORDER was to CLEAN-UP the Augean stables of Corruption ridden GOA and pile up the 'SHIT' onto the road-sides for the public to feast upon, knowing very well that even after the people of Goa have had their fill, the crumbs left over would be ENOUGH to pave every Goan road and it's every pathway from Pernem to Cancon with REAL GOLD as against the biological 'GOLD' that has been recently discovered under Goa's skin. In so saying, Goa's
Re: [Goanet] This 54 year old beauty still going strong
?How is the number plate the new format? -Original Message- From: JoeGoaUk Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:39 AM To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] This 54 year old beauty still going strong This 54 year old beauty still going strong http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra2/5440674919/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra2/5441277520/sizes/l/ OMVN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8msudFf_GM joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Cricket world cup
Winners South Africa Player of the tournament Dale Steyn/Jacques Kallis Percy Ferrao
Re: [Goanet] Provedoria opens doors to homeless
According to trade unionist and social activist, Christopher Fonseca: In Goa, too, many homeless people are seen sleeping in the passages of buildings in Goa's cities.: Mr. Fonseca being Goan surely might be knowing who these people might be who are sleeping in the passages of Building in Goa's cities. I would not be wrong if I say, among these people one might not even find a single real Goan. These are the migrant labourers, beggars and perhaps poor tourists who may not be able to pay the high cost of lodging in touristic Goa who are cheaply off loaded daily from Konkan Railway. These people precisely migrant labourers and beggars even if you offer them a shelter will not take advantage of it as their design is not to stay permanently or where they have full day and night protection as their motive is if labourer to search work at day break and if beggar to beg and make as much money as possible and go back to their state through same cheap Konkan Railway perhaps after some weeks or months. These type of people will never go to Provedoria's night shelter. There may be many so called homeless but they would never want to take advantage of such opportunities because that restricts their independent movement and liberty as they came for a purpose and that purpose has to be fulfilled as faster as possible. Another homeless tribe who raises tens of hundred huts by overnight even if you give them homes after their huts either are destroyed though deliberate fire or as illegal occupants such type of people will stay in Govt provided houses for few weeks then go back to their hurts culture again by renting their Govt. given homes. It is unfortunate one cannot eradicate such evil when this is the kind of culture of some of these tribes. These people provide very good stock to national and international media to publicize the ugly picture of India. Thus it is a worthless exercise to help such people. Homeless Goans one might find only if their homes are broken down due to excessive rains or due to mining blasts or any other natural calamities or those of expanding poor families, but one will never find them sleeping in the passages of Buildings in Goa's cities or villages. Elvino Rodrigues. From: Goanet News Service Provedoria opens doors to homeless Paul Fernandes, TNN, Feb 13, 2011, 01.09am IST PANAJI: Knock and ye shall find... a night shelter in Panaji. Recolhimento de Serra, an old aged home, run by Provedoria at Altinho has been declared a night shelter for the state's homeless. But more than a week later nobody has knocked at the door of the centuries-old institution.
Re: [Goanet] a request
Fred wrote Eugene, my suggestion -- you can disagree without being disagreeable :-) FN dis·agree·able adj \-ə-bəl\ Definition of DISAGREEABLE 1: causing discomfort : unpleasant, offensive a disagreeable odor 2: marked by ill temper : peevish a disagreeable person http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disagreeable Me: Thanks for the link to the dictionary, which perhaps you felt I never knew. Frankly, I did NOT understand your statement. Sorry, my knowledge of English is NOT as good as yours. You are the Yogi Berra of goanet ;-) EC
Re: [Goanet] Books to learn Konkani
Fun and games; still the world keeps turning. Horrific Konkani but here are the translations. What was Lobo doing sharing credit for this with Tomoko Lobo. I hope she never knows how bad it is. Its like the pick up line book for lord knows who. This would never have happened even at a base level, had a Japanese had written a similar book in Japanese. 1) Two egdom bor-ray dista. You look really splendid. 2) Two-jay now kitay? What is your name.? 3) Two coy routa Where do you live 4) Two English ooloy-ta? Do you speank English? 5) Two-zo photo car-do? May I take your/a photograph (of you). 6) Marjay bar-obor oobo, photo car-doonk rouw - she? (to a woman) Stand besides me, to have a photo taken/shoot a photo. 7) Two-ka kitay peone gay-unc? NOT CERTAIN on this one: Would you like something to drink, music? What would you like as a drink---music(fun stuff)? 8) Marjay bari kitay pea-yay. Drink anything with abandon. 9) Eyes sanjay marjay bari jayunc yay-she? Today evening will you go out with me. 10) Borem aiz rar-tea meouta. Well, see you tonight. Well then, lest meet tonight. Well then, lets see each other tonight. venantius j pinto Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:06:49 +0530 From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Books to learn Konkani Message-ID: AANLkTinaorzxUzsP6PAQ+pKtzeHMP2Lj78_1=97hd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear Bosco who wrote: Based on a query I received earlier today, I am trying to compile a list of self-help books to learn Konkani. Can anybody recommend titles, authors, etc. Here's one: http://www.amazon.com/Lets-Learn-Konkani-S-J-Borkar/dp/1553941322 Let's Learn Konkani by S. J. Borkar is one I'm aware about if (as I presume) the chap who asked you knows only the Roman Script. The Amazon price mentioned in the URL above is a wee bit too inflated though and is available much cheaper in Goa. There's also Spoken Konkani by Prof. Edward D'Lima who nowadays is Dayanand Narvekar's best friend, if the newspaper advertisements are any evidence. It's a sort of Konkani phrase book. Before FN posts it himself, I'll post his review: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet-news@lists.goanet.org/msg00063.html Flipping through my pile of books I found a curiosity: 'SPEAK KONKANI (THE GOAN LANGUAGE) AND HAVE FUN: A Pocket Interpreter by Michael and Tomoko Lobo, FinDoll Communications and Publications, 119 Lobo's Vaddo, Parra, Goa, 1993. Its a slim 33 page pocket size book, which says on the first page: 'Many Goans understand English, but if you say, Dayo bor-ray koru. (thank you), they will open up their homes to you. So join us Goan Lovers; be Goan. SPEAK KONKANI AND HAVE FUN. This is also a phrase book which gives a list of sentences in English which one could possibly ;) use in everyday situations. I'll quote some Konkani sentences from it which may come in handy for Gonadians like Bosco on the beach on Valentine's Day. Ten kisses to all those who can translate this into English: 1) Two egdom bor-ray dista 2) Two-jay now kitay? 3) Two coy routa 4) Two English ooloy-ta? 5) Two-zo photo car-do? 6) Marjay bar-obor oobo, photo car-doonk rouw - she? (to a woman) 7) Two-ka kitay peone gay-unc? 8) Marjay bari kitay pea-yay. 9) Eyes sanjay marjay bari jayunc yay-she? 10) Borem aiz rar-tea meouta. Happy Valentines' Day!! Augusto
Re: [Goanet] Books to learn Konkani
Now the thing that really intrigued me: whatever use would Venantius have for ten kisses from August(us)o Pinto? FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 14 February 2011 00:43, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Two egdom bor-ray dista. You look really splendid. 2) Two-jay now kitay? What is your name.? ... Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:06:49 +0530 From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com This is also a phrase book which gives a list of sentences in English which one could possibly ;) use in everyday situations. I'll quote some Konkani sentences from it which may come in handy for Gonadians like Bosco on the beach on Valentine's Day. Ten kisses to all those who can translate this into English ...
Re: [Goanet] How to get rid of Corruption
--- On Sun, 2/13/11, rajendra kakodkar rskakod...@yahoo.co.in wrote: 2. Given its methodology, CPI is not a tool that is useful for trend analysis or for monitoring the changes in the perceived levels of corruption over time for all countries. Can it also mean that despite CPI going up from 2.8 to 3.3, the corruption has actually increased? Ans: The CPI score is compiled based on the availability of a range of surveys for each country. As such, the source data for India for 2000 is different from that of 2010. Even if the sources were identical for India for these two years, the percentile matching approach we employ to standardise scores means that we take India’s ranking from each survey, such that it is relative to the other countries ranked and any change in the countries covered by each survey can alter the standardised score attributed to India. Finally, changes have been made to the methodology of the CPI itself over the 15 years since its establishment. These methodological reasons limit the application of the CPI as time series data. From the change in CPI scores over the 10 year period, we can conclude neither that Corruption has decreased nor that it has actually increased. I would like to thank Rajendra for seeking clarifications on this from Transparency International. The above statement in this regard was especially helpful. It indicates that the scoring employed is on a relative scale or a curve i.e. India's reported score is relative to the scores of other countries in each year. What this means is we can only look at India's percentile rank in relation to other countries each year. We cannot draw any conclusions regarding absolute increase or decrease in corruption from the index, even if we were able to perform a time series analysis. So all we can say is in the year 2000 India was at the 33rd percentile among the countries examined, i.e. 77% of the countries were better than India, as far as corruption is concerned. In the year 2010, on the other hand, India was at the 51st percentile, i.e. 49% of the countries were better than India. The one caveat to this analysis is that only 90 countries were examined in 2000, whereas 178 countries were examined in 2010. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] a request
Elementary my dea Fredbe selective as to who one rubs shoulders with and hope the rest wise up. Aha sense of humorgood old Xasti humor . poetic and carefree surely goes a long way... andwipe the chooris juice off your mustache.lest someone call you an 'indecent citizen'! On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: Pandu, you of choris-and-pao fame: Your post reminded me of Sacrula de Saligao. As kids we mocked the Pope of All Religions, but I feel bad for that now. Maybe he too had a superior wisdom which we could not understand. The formula of how to stay sane in a crazy world :-) FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 13 February 2011 09:53, Pandu Lampiao pan...@gmail.com wrote: remind you...Goan villages have characters, some of them still aroundand not many know their real names. Its just a little fun.
Re: [Goanet] Eucharistic Miracles
--- On Sun, 2/13/11, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: A person with type AB blood indicates one of three possibilities, as far as his parents' blood types are concerned. The parents had type A and type B blood, type AB and type A blood, or type AB and type B blood. I forgot to mention a 4th possibility, although statistically rare. Both parents could also have type AB blood. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] A Goan running for Federal office
Troy De Souza Candidate for Member of Parliament Esquimalt Juan De Fuca -- Troy is Manglorean. He is running again on the Conservative ticket for the seat that has been held by Dr. Keith Martin who announced he will not seek re-relection in the next elections, not yet called but likely to be held in Oct, according to media speculation. In the 2008 elections, Liberal Keith won with 20,042 votes against Troy 19,971. Troy asked for recount but then asked it to be terminated when it became apparent that the number of dispute ballots could notbridge the gap between them. Keith has maintained that he is 25 Indian because his grand- or great-grandmother was a Portuguese who was born in Goa. Maybe, the Goan connection he mentioned was to win the South Asian votes in the riding in Victoria, capital of British Columbia. It is picturesque city, typically a place for retirement. It has lot of gardens. In the evening you can see elderly people sit in the verandahs having their cuppa tea. It is a very British city. I have been there at least thrice. Eugene
[Goanet] Regurgitation of Goa's history (part 5)
Politica dos Casmentos - Fact or Fiction? (part 2) 6. Barely having nurtured their wounds and repaired their salvageable ships, to AA’s good fortune, a very large Portuguese armada heading for Malacca happened to stop at AnjadevaIslandto re-supply. They helped AA retake Goa(third battle) starting on November, 25. After the victory on December 10, likely the enabling armada and their soldiers and sailors proceeded on to its designated mission in the Malacca, leaving AA with his remaining soldiers and sailors on Tiswadi. Only a few, likely volunteered from the reinforcement to stay on in Goa, preferring (like most soldiers and sailors) a non-combat region (in the Malaccas) to a battle zone (in the Indies). 7. Certainly AA wanted his remaining soldiers to settle down in Goaand defend their new homestead. On getting older, these men could become Home guards and Reserves to an active military. AA’s goal and desire were simple, basic and self-serving. Likely AA had NO IDEA of the concept, terminology or desire for the miscegeny of the newly formed Goan 'white' identity which is being attributed to him. 8. Given Portuguese track-record of, failures against adversaries in the region, and AA first experience in taking Goa, it was uncertain AA would survive this second victory. Some modern PhD students and lusophiles may have the desire to give AA prophetic powers. 9. Many history accounts report that immediately after the victory, there was a large ceremony involving marriages between AA’s soldiers with widows of vanquished Muslim soldiers with enactment of ‘Politica dos Casmentos’. This ‘mass marriage ceremony’ was preceded by a ‘mass baptism ceremony’ of the Muslim widows. 10. Getting Portuguese soldiers married and live locally made sense for those who had no desire to return to Portugal. But likely many soldiers and sailors had already seen enough battles (and their comrades die) that few may have taken AA’s offer of FREE(read confiscated, unclaimed) land, if they settled in Goa. (See my prior goanet posts of direct and indirect impact and effects of three distinct but consecutive battles in one year on the Isle of Goa / Tiswadi). 11. There are several reports of prior insubordination of AA’s soldiers on many occasions. So reports of many wanting to stay in Goa under AAs' command may be suspect. Most sailors and soldiers who came to the Indiesdesired to return home to settle as fidalgos with their new accumulated wealth (see analysis); rather than to be laboring land-owners in a new tropical land. And this Goa settlement complicated with a new language, lifestyle, environment, culture, cuisine. Soldiers and sailors are prepared to a lifestyle of sacrifice for a short period, but not to a life of struggle and change for the rest of their life. Analysis to follow next. Please be patient.:=)) Please digest and understand the dynamics of events. Those with itchy fingers, please give those fingers a rest. Or use them for purposes other than banging on the key board.:=)) Yet constructive challenges to my writings supported by facts are as always welcome. Regards, supurlo Goenkar, GL
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
There is no difference between invasion and conquest. Most Goans living in Goa today are happy and proud to be Indians. They do not want Goa to be independent from India. Why should they vote for Goa Su-Raj, which is run and supported by people who are not Indians? Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: India invaded Goa please read the UN documents. After 61 most Goans were forced to become Indians they had no choice. Nehru had promised elections but there were none. The nail was finally driven into the coffin when in 1974 in a non consultation process Goa was handed on a platter for further colonization. Congratulations to GS for telling how it is after 50 years of neo colonization. BC Goa was conquered by the Portuguese in 1510. India conquered Goa in 1961. Most Goans living in Goa today consider themselves Indian. Why would they want to vote for Goa Su-Raj whose founder does not consider himself an Indian, and holds Goa's independence from India as his ideal goal? Cheers, Santosh 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
[Goanet] GOA GOVERNOR SIDHU ON AN ILLEGAL EXTENSION
Goa’s Governor Dr. Shivinder Singh Sidhu continues to hang on at Raj Bhavan on an illegal and unauthorized extension. Article 156 (3) of the Constitution of India mandates that every Governor shall be appointed for a five year term. Dr. Sidhu having been appointed as a Governor on 6th August, 2004 his term came to an end on 5th August 2009. There has been no official order extending his term as the law also does not provide for one. Neither has he been reappointed as Governor for another term as in the case of Tamil Nadu Governor S.S.Barnala. The Constitution of India does provide that the Governor can continue to hold office until his successor arrives but this should be no loophole for Dr. Sidhu to continue as the Goa Governor for over 18 months after his official term has ended. Dr. Sidhu’s continuance as Goa Governor is a sheer mockery of the provisions of the Indian Constitution and more so that he was now claiming that he was not a “Public Authority”. Aires Rodrigues T1 - B30, Ribandar Retreat Ribandar - Goa - 403006 Mobile: 9822684372
Re: [Goanet] Books to learn Konkani
Btw, a fairly good list of books to learn Konkani from has been put out by various posters at http://groups.google.com/group/goa-book-club Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Scramble for Africa, Berlin Conference, Pink Map, British Ultimatum, and the demise of the Portuguese monarchy... could Goa's history have been different?
The Scramble for Africa [1] in particular and the general European race for colonies, after the Berlin Conference of 1884 [2] etc, can be seen to have ultimately culminated in World War I. But could it be argued that the Portuguese-British dispute over Africa, led to the demise of the Portuguese monarchy and the rise of Republicanism (which took root in 1910) itself? While browsing, I came across The Pink Map [3] -- (Portuguese: Mapa cor-de-rosa), primarily a document representing Portugal's claim of sovereignty over the land between Angola and Mozambique, which today is currently Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi. The Pink Map collided with Sir Cecil Rhodes' Cape to Cairo Red Line. The dispute with the United Kingdom over these territories led to the 1890 British Ultimatum [4], to which Portugal gave in, causing serious damage to the image of the Portuguese monarchy, and the subsequent rise of the Republican political movement. --FN [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Conference [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Map [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_Africa | Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 Afro-Brazilian musicians in Goa (photoset on Flickr): http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157625793593769/ |
[Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
On Sat Feb 12 10:11:30 PST 2011 Santosh Helekar chimbelcho at yahoo.com wrote : 1- Here are the differences between the radio frequencies emitted by a cell phone and a cell phone tower, and the microwaves generated by a microwave oven. 2- Neither cell phones/towers nor microwaves have been found to cause cancers or any other diseases in humans in the peer-reviewed medical literature. 3- I ask you to try to be scientifically literate and refer only to reliable scientific literature from responsible institutions and sources. Please ignore the crap that is written in posts such as that appended below, and on unreliable internet websites, such as some of those copied and pasted in it. Cheers, Santosh RESPONSE : 1- Why does Santosh omit stating that cell phones and towers emit microwaves? Is it out of ignorance or is it that his reliable source from peer-reviewed medical literature is not crap but ‘bullshit’? 2- Medical research which can cause damage to the living are not done on humans, but on laboratory animals; like the birds and rats Santosh is surrounded with. And microwave emitted by cell phones for a certain period of time has been found to cause damage in experimental animals (as seen from my previous post). It is precisely why experiments cannot be conducted on humans. 3- Being scientifically literate like exhibited in the above post, is liken to Indians being 90% literate. It is necessary to be knowledgeable and use the knowledge wisely, and not reproduce verbatim limited book knowledge without any rational judgement of your own. A computer or a robot can do that. As I have said once before : “Knowledge without wisdom is like a load of books on the back of an ass.” Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship for Indians
When I mentioned this to my colleague from The Netherlands - he says India is a good bet. The situation in Europe is bad. The only two countries that are strong is Germany and 'The Netherlands'. Portugal's economy is in dire straits and is being temporarily propped up by the EU. In the EU community the respect for Portugal Spain is not ideal. India fares better. His comments about the recent bails outs - 'it will take generations to pay back 'The Netherlands' Germany for loaning them the money' came true after one year. What was predicated by him about Ireland , Iceland Greece all came true. At that time he also mentioned Portugal Spain. So dear Goans do not throw your Indian Citizenship and abort Goa. Ashley D'Silva -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of armstrong augusto vaz Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 12:37 PM To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese citizenship for Indians http://www.consuladoportugalgoa.com/initialpage1.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_nationality_law http://www.merinews.com/article/goans-explore-europe-through-portuguese-citi zenship/130316.shtml http://www.groundreport.com/Business/Learn-Portuguese-to-earn-a-passport/292 4172 Time is ticking by. The alarm bells are ringing. It may well turn out to be a false alarm but as of now no one knows and there is no official word on it till date. Will the special option accorded by the Portuguese government for residents hailing from Estado da India to become Portuguese citizens closed in the coming years. The chances are by and large that at some point of time, the Portuguese government may crack the whip and say enough is enough. So, there is mad rush to cross the finish line. Yes, hundreds of Indians from the Estado da India are making a bee line to get the Portuguese citizenship. What that actually means is that those born in Goa before 1961 are still Portuguese citizens even today according to Portuguese law. However, since the birth records were left in Goa after the brutal invasion by the Indian army in December 1961, the Portuguese authorities are not aware of the existence of these Portuguese citizens in that part of the world. The fact remains that they are indeed Portuguese citizens according to Portuguese law and full Portuguese/European citizenship rights are available to them if they wish to avail of those rights. In order to avail of those rights, you need to register your birth in Portugal Portugal is not granting Goans Portuguese citizenship. They are already Portuguese citizens by virtue of having been born in Estado da India Portuguesa or by virtue of being descendents of those born there. Goans born before 1961 do not become naturalised citizens of Portugal because they always were Portuguese citizens and retained their Portuguese citizenship after 1961, according to Portuguese law. Even if they only register their birth in Portugal today, that act of registration of their birth in Portugal today is backdated to their date of birth as they are and will always be Portuguese citizens of origin and not naturalised Portuguese citizens. Lisbon based Pedro Rodrigues, a Goan-origin advocate, who traces his roots to Moira village and who specializes in the Portuguese Citizenship says: The chances are that they (Portugal) may close it down. So it is better to complete the formalities before the year end. Never be late and regret at a later date, said Rodrigues who was on a three-day tour to Qatar to help Goans in acquiring a Portuguese passport. Rodriguese said this was his first visit to Qatar and for that matter to the Middle East. And, he promised to come again to Doha if the need arose. The soft spoken attorney was in the Qatari capital at the invitation of Doha Goans Sports Club (DGSC) and also conducted an seminar for the benefit of Goans in Qatar. Mathew Estrocio, an executive committee member of DGSC was happy with the turn out. Many Goans came to see him and they came well prepared having with documents which are necessary to start the process. Rodrigues, gave them a patient hearing and some of the interested individuals then had one-to-one discussion with the resource person from Portugal, Estrocio who hails from Carazalem. Call it a second wave of migration or by any other name. A large number of Goans are in the process of changing their citizenship, with an eye on a bright future in some European country- predominantly England. The first wave of migration started from Goa with our forefathers migrating to different lands through the sea route, lands as far as Africa. Some Goans made Kenya and other African regions their home. Some were accorded the right to have UK citizenship when trouble broke out in Uganda and all Indians were chased away by Idi Amin. The craze to acquire a Portuguese passport is not restricted to Goans based in Goa and other GCC countries. Goans based in Australia
[Goanet] Goa news for February 14, 2011
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa sees 15 jump in tourist arrivals in 2010 - Moneycontrol.com akers in 2010, a 15% jump over the previous ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHvmw4z-jghVN8DYkxILMyA2OOXyAurl=http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/travel/goa-sees-15-jumptourist-arrivals2010_522463.html *** Public meeting in the capital in support of suspended Judge - digITal Goa o-HC-Haste-hurry-to-dispose-Mahanand-case/45640.htmlBhakre to HC: Haste hurry to dispose Mahanand case http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGzulVl5QlD8mbp8fXj4KAwCLR1yAurl=http://www.digitalgoa.com/ca_disp.php?id=1811 *** Budget for Carnival celebrations in Goa slashed - Times of India arnival-faces-cash-crunch-news-national-lcms4ifbfig.htmlGoa carnival faces cash crunch http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHEAnW4ydYGTqeC0yuzQTErI_Wn-Qurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Budget-for-Carnival-celebrations-in-Goa-slashed/articleshow/7483755.cms *** Goa ex-Minister raps police to crack NRI case - Washington Bangla Radio our-deadline to the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHhOGEwOwiTNd-AOl1nvgpQ8MZOuQurl=http://www.washingtonbanglaradio.com/content/22021511-goa-ex-minister-raps-police-crack-nri-case *** No NOC from CBI, Scarlett body still in morgue - Indian Express QHfCpqbAJW7JRIg http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHJtXTfqXmGwzxZIAsh3mEeLm6cggurl=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/No-NOC-from-CBI--Scarlett-body-still-in-morgue/749755 *** Jharkhand, Goa win two gold medals each in Taekwondo - Times of India in-two-gold-medals-each-intaekwondo-aid0126.htmlJharkhand, Goa win two gold medals each in Taekwondo http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHmuZnBejoONhETlH_iuvoUC2yAJgurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/events-tournaments/national-games-2011/Jharkhand-Goa-win-two-gold-medals-each-in-Taekwondo/articleshow/7489477.cms *** Gun Owners of America Activists Win Three Key Battles in Congress - AmmoLand.com (press release) (Ammoland.com)- GOA recently warned you that anti-gun Democrats might attempt to attach gun control restrictions on the bill to reauthorize ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHzklrciihIgdaQrdEj4gUoflSLhgurl=http://www.ammoland.com/2011/02/11/gun-owners-of-america-activists-win-three-key-battles-in-congress/ *** 'No toll should be levied on private LMVs in Goa' - Times of India ommittee of the House panel for national highway widening in Goa have decided that no toll should be levied on private vehicles ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHrAjkqjnf2WoNBaGWUjQtGtJf11Qurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/No-toll-should-be-levied-on-private-LMVs-in-Goa/articleshow/7485041.cms *** Bengali cinema going for classy foreign locales - Sify fy'Actually, the cost of shooting a song sequence in Bangkok or Thailand is much less than shooting in Goa or some other place in the country,' Mahendra Soni, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGU2NAuqs3FdyQ9eYkgTFX8wfHNoQurl=http://www.sify.com/movies/bengali-cinema-going-for-classy-foreign-locales-news-national-lcnmEejagfe.html *** Goa tsunami in Sept 2007 went unnoticed, says NIO scientist - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: A tsunami in September 2007 was recorded in Goa and Lakshadweep archipelago in the Arabian Sea on India's west coast, but being mild it went ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFwJ61tvOVO24hcEr3YxGR-8gMlGgurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-tsunami-in-Sept-2007-went-unnoticed-says-NIO-scientist/articleshow/7485069.cms Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] Scramble for Africa, Berlin Conference, Pink Map, British Ultimatum, and the demise of the Portuguese monarchy... could Goa's history have been different?
Hence the lines on the current Portuguese national anthem (A Portuguesa), which originally went, I believe: Contra os Bretões marchar, marchar (now goes Contra os canhões marchar, marchar). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Portuguesa - Original Message From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, 14 February, 2011 11:00:41 AM Subject: [Goanet] Scramble for Africa, Berlin Conference, Pink Map, British Ultimatum, and the demise of the Portuguese monarchy... could Goa's history have been different? While browsing, I came across The Pink Map [3] -- (Portuguese: Mapa cor-de-rosa), primarily a document representing Portugal's claim of sovereignty over the land between Angola and Mozambique, which today is currently Zambia, Zimbabwe and Malawi. The Pink Map collided with Sir Cecil Rhodes' Cape to Cairo Red Line. The dispute with the United Kingdom over these territories led to the 1890 British Ultimatum [4], to which Portugal gave in, causing serious damage to the image of the Portuguese monarchy, and the subsequent rise of the Republican political movement. --FN
[Goanet] Love? – MondayMuse(14feb2011)
MONDAY MUSE (14 February 2011) LOVE? Since last evening, many of us received messages by SMS, email and on networking sites that ‘on 14/02/1931, the legendary Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev were hanged to their deaths, but Indians forget them and celebrate Valentine Day!’ I replied to the messages I received with the poser: ‘so what happened on 23 March 1931?’ Obviously, when desperate to prove our love for our country, we forget to even examine fiction that flaunts as fact. In their haste to be hypocritical pious about their patriotism and an excessive self righteous condemnation of Valentine Day, my friends forgot to examine the integrity and intensity of their own feelings for the three martyrs! We must take a reality check about the sincerity of our own stated emotion. Genuine love need not pose as superficial pride. Of course, nor does it have to be superficially flaunted on days which have been only marketed for commercial reasons. But this cannot be justification to look down upon people who celebrate certain days, especially if we ourselves are standing on sanctimoniously shaky ground. How can we claim love for our motherland, if we are indifferent to the land grab that decimates lives and livelihoods? How can we profess our love for Nature, if our actions are actually harmful for the environment? How can we celebrate a day in the name of love, if our actions reflect intolerance and hatred for some human beings? Surely, it would be better if we connect to the real Bhagat Singh and the real St. Valentine! Love is neither a competitive nor an occasional emotion... Let’s BE BETTER at connecting with appropriate action! - Pravin K. Sabnis
Re: [Goanet] Wake up Call
Hi! Happy Valentine's Day (14th February 2011)from a Goykaar to all Goykaars. Please find my letter below, a sequel to Food for Thought (OVERSEAS GOANS CAN HELP SAVE GOA). Regards, Wilmix. Wilmix WILSON MAZARELLO Margao Goa Mobile: 9822386579 Email: wilson_mazare...@rediffmail.com Date:- 14. 2. 2011 Hi! Another week passed by. This week there was not one response from the Overseas Goan community. I wonder why. This is inspite of :- a) Telling everyone that we do not have “much time” on hand. b) Telling everyone that we need a “firm commitment” to volunteer to collect funds from Goans, in their country of work. c) Telling everyone that such volunteers from, at least, Kuwait, U.A.E and U.K, are a must to begin moving ahead. d) Telling everyone that mere “lip-service” is not acceptable. It’s time to act. e) Telling everyone that there may not be another opportunity to “Save Goa”. My Dear Overseas Goans, As you are aware, this correspondence is openly circulated to Goans all over the World, with nothing to hide and nothing to be scared of. The World is watching the “Overseas Goan Community”. Do not, for once, think that Goans will not co-operate with you, in handing over Rs. 100/-, to save the Goa they love. In fact, they want someone to do this work for them. If Oscar Lobo in Australia and Mathew Estrocio in Qatar have accepted their responsibility to do what they can for Goa, why don’t you ? Should we wait for one more week for you to volunteer on your own? Only then we will approach specific Individuals / Associations to come forward. Ok ? Its time to move ahead. Let us not give up that easily. Overseas Goans must have a major say in the Assembly Elections of 2012. TUJEM GOEM TUKA ULO KORTA, “MHAKA SALVAR KOR”, TUM KAINCH KORCHONAIM?” Mog Assum, Wilmix Wilson Mazarello
Re: [Goanet] Books to learn Konkani
FN, A very good point. My act had to do (as always) with intervention and learing (usually one way, but cool)--which I often engage in with full comprehension of however subtle or overt the implications. However, I do come from a tradition (albeit borrowed, learnt, and cherished) where men kissed men. Practically nonexistent these days in India, Goa proper, in Goan enclaves, as also among Goans of today. People now are barely comfortable living in their skins WITHOUT JUMPING OUT OF IT at the sound of the kitchen door creaking. I am the last of the old generation. Now if only people would remember that--and what it means--im my particular case. As usual; I digress--as always worthily I presume too--yet a tad ambiguous and why not too! Perhaps assorted Chachus of the Desi/Lootmar kind could learn something. Along with them the ones who so desperately managed to lose a lot in existential transition. venantius j pinto Message: 5 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 01:04:22 +0530 From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Books to learn Konkani Now the thing that really intrigued me: whatever use would Venantius have for ten kisses from August(us)o Pinto? FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 14 February 2011 00:43, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Two egdom bor-ray dista. You look really splendid. 2) Two-jay now kitay? What is your name.? ... Message: 2 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:06:49 +0530 From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com This is also a phrase book which gives a list of sentences in English which one could possibly ;) use in everyday situations. I'll quote some Konkani sentences from it which may come in handy for Gonadians like Bosco on the beach on Valentine's Day. Ten kisses to all those who can translate this into English ...
[Goanet] SM Krishna reads Portuguese minister's speech at UN
This should warm the hearts of the Lusophiles on this list: WASHINGTON: The flub, in the eyes of Indian officialdom, was minor; but the feedback was ferocious. India's external affairs minister SM Krishna, frequently under attack for not being up to speed in 21st century engagements, gave some more ammunition to his critics by inadvertently reading out the speech of the Portuguese foreign minister at a UN meeting on Friday. He cottoned on to the mistakes a couple of minutes into his delivery, but the faux pas rippled through the electronic world for hours, inviting both sarcasm and merriment. Maybe Portugal has outsourced its speech to Bangalore, read one message on social networking site. Look at the bright side. We can now lay claim to Cristiano Ronaldo, tweeted another, referring to the classy Portuguese footballer. A third wondered if SM Krishna should meet the same fate as his Pakistani counterpart SM Qureshi, who was sidelined in a cabinet reshuffle on Thursday. A mistake? Why do we have a mistake like him in the government, riffed another. Krishna's aides said the reactions were harsh because the flub was inadvertent and could have happened to anyone. They also maintained the minister caught on to the error within a few lines of the speech consisting mainly of opening pleasantries, and he did not read on for five minutes as reported in some sections of the media. You guys must be having a slow news day on Saturday to make such a big deal out of this, one aide said snarkily. But those who heard the speech said Krishna was well past the pleasantries and generalities when he was stopped by Hardeep Puri, India's Permanent Representative to the UN One of the lines Krishna read was, On a more personal note, allow me to express my profound satisfaction regarding the happy coincidence of having two members of the Portuguese Speaking Countries (CPLP), Brazil and Portugal, together here today. One reason the flub went undetected for some time, according to sources, was that the Portuguese foreign minister had already finished speaking and the English translation of his speech which was distributed got mixed up with Krishna's papers. While there was no immediate assignation of blame among officials, critics contended it was an embarrassment at a time India is pitching for a permanent UNSC seat. It's not the first time a major public figure has read the wrong speech. The last prominent victim of such a gaffe? US President Barack Obama, who began reading the speech of the Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen in 2009 after the teleprompter mixed up their speeches. Obama realized the blunder when he started to thank himself. But the Indian e-world was unsparing even though the faux pas wasn't even a minor blip at the UN, where the G-4 push for an expanded UNSC made headlines. Next time he should write his speech in Kannada, one tweeter advised Krishna, who studied in Dallas and Washington DC. Why couldn't he at least find the speech of the Italian foreign minister, joked another. While Krishna, who is 78, has been pilloried by critics for what they say is his stodginess, his aides point out that he keeps a blistering pace unmatched by any of his predecessors for a man of his age – a common argument from supporters of a geriatric political leadership in youthful India. Many of India's Union Cabinet principals, including the Prime Minister and the finance minister, are in their late 70s. “Dear Krishna, all is forgiven. Don’t catch the wrong flight,” said a tweet from Dr Yum Yum Singh, who likes to lampoon Manmohan Singh on Twitter.
[Goanet] Desmond's Suspension
Judge Desmond D’Costa’s Suspension. The unexplained suspension of Judge Desmond D’Costa has sent shock waves not only among Goans in Goa but across the world. Anyone who knows Desmond will vouch for his incredible intelligence, his simplicity, his honesty and above all his ability and experience to dispense justice. The legal fraternity in Goa know and will bear this writer that Desmond enjoys an impeccable character in general and in particular as a judicial officer. The suspension of Desmond is obviously a figment of somebody’s wild imagination. Whoever reported adversely on Desmond perhaps needs to see a psychiatrist and should be deemed incapable of making rational decisions and expelled from duties as a judge Someone said Power of Judiciary lies not in deciding cases, nor in Imposing sentences nor in punishing for contempt, but in the trust, faith and confidence of the common man. Obviously Desmond was well ahead of most judges of his time and emulated the best both in the present and past without succumbing to pressure and fear tactics. It has been said that “Respect of Judiciary emerges from expertise to sieve out facts from fiction. Power of Judiciary does not lie in convicting criminals nor punishing for contempt but in the trust, faith and confidence of common man of getting justice by application of same norms, for poor or rich, by the courts“. Desmond epitomized all these characteristics of the judiciary. Apparently Desmond may have refused to be compromise his integrity which resulted in swift and harsh retaliation of suspension. The existing judicial process is an unfair or ineffective procedure to discipline and remove corrupt judges and as in Desmond’s case can end up being used instead for the removal of independent, upright and progressive judges. Desmond has always been simple, judicious and gracious to a fault. Not the type to bend to pressure or succumb to corrupt system, the Government, the Police and a unscrupulous breed of Judges who need excuses for their combined inability to pin down a serial killer, to expeditiously dispense justice to the innocent before being proven guilty beyond doubt. Desmond exhibited the acumen, the wisdom and the courage to rightfully expedite the serial killer case. Mahanand Naik in all probability is a scapegoat for the Government and Police’s inability to solve the unabated rise in crime rate in Goa. Hence the resentment, the vengeance and ultimately suspension, by the intellectually incapacitated judicial official, of a luminary and progressive Judge that personifies Desmond D’Costa. The suspension violates every principle Of the law. Shame all this stink has spread beyond Goa. John Philip Da Silva Collaco California, USA
[Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or Uday Bhembre,
Did you conduct a poll to check the level of happiness of Goans? Why are Goans leaving in droves? Things are getting so desparate that Goans might even vote for Chinese to rule Goa. BC There is no difference between invasion and conquest. Most Goans living in Goa today are happy and proud to be Indians. They do not want Goa to be independent from India. Why should they vote for Goa Su-Raj, which is run and supported by people who are not Indians? Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Salcete Portuguese passport holders under radar of poll officials
Goans were always Portuguese citizens, until Indian citizenship was foisted upon them by force by virtue of the invasion. The only Goan brave enough to defy the orders to change his citizenship was Pe. Chico Monteiro. Now Goans are quietly reinstating their citizenship, even in places such as Australia, even though they might never make full use of the facilities provided by having the citizenship. Those who have re-instated their citizenship and are oridinarily resident in Goa, should have every right to vote if they pay taxes such as income tax. One of the points on which the American Revolution started, was No Taxation without Representation. I would suggest that the legal eagles and accountants check on the Indian laws and make a pronouncement on these points. I am not sure what the regulations are in the US. But in the UK and in Australia, I was on the respective local electoral rolls as I was a tax-paying resident in these countries even if I was not a citizen of those respective countries. Cheers, Gabriel. - Original Message From: soter so...@bsnl.in To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Mon, 14 February, 2011 3:58:12 AM Subject: [Goanet] Salcete Portuguese passport holders under radar of poll officials HERALD REPORTER MARGAO: Portuguese passport holders, beware. Booth Level Officers (BLOs) have fanned out to various corners of Salcete to strike down the names of voters, who are now Portuguese passport holders, from the electoral rolls. Three months after the Foreigners branch came out with a detailed list of hundreds of Portuguese passport holders across the state, election officials right down at the booth level are tracking down the names as part of the exercise to delete the names.
[Goanet] Withdraw suspension of Judge Desmond D'Costa
--- On Sun, 2/13/11, George Pinto georgejpi...@yahoo.com wrote: To: reg-high@nic.in Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 9:48 PM Honorable Chief Justice It is with deep shock that I have learnt of the suspension of Additional District Sessions Judge Desmond D'Costa. I urge you to immediately withdraw the suspension. Judge Desmond D'Costa ethics is of the highest order and his suspension is a travesty of justice, in addition to being arbitrary and non-transparent. Only a complete and immediate withdrawal of the suspension will serve justice. I kindly request your good office to initiate an internal inquiry into this episode including why a person of Goan origin had to unfairly meet this fate. Surely you will agree that Goans must not be treated as second-class citizens. The Goan public now considers this one more event to justify Goa having its own High Court. That outcome will be the silver lining which comes out of this unfortunate episode. The Goan public expects the results of such an inquiry to be made public in a timely and democratic manner and those responsible for this unfortunate episode be held accountable. Sincerely, George Pinto
Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre,
Dear Elvino, If anyone at all does qualify for the Highest GOAN award, name it whatever it may be, YOU Elvino deserve that AWARD for saying what you have said. WHAT IS THAT WE GOANS NEED TO CALL OURSELVES 'INDIAN' SO THAT WE ARE PROUD OF THE COUNTRY'S CITIZENSHIP FORCED ON US We would be and have reason to be PROUD IF: 1. Our age old GAONKARIES aka COMUNIDADES were preserved just like the Portuguese did. 2. If Our Civilian Dabolim airport was handed over to the Goa's Civilian Authority after the invasion, to make it actual LIBERATION. and not cling to it as the spoils of war. 3. If the Army Signal Corp. had to vacate their present HQ in Panjim and hand over that prime building back into Goan's hands. 4. If they had preserved Goan's right to vote without diluting it with migrant voters left right and centre. 5. If Our Freedom Fighters were not manufactured to make them PENSION FIGHTERS. 6. If Goa was Goa and not a DRUG PEDDLING CENTRE OF INDIA. 7. If Special Status was given to Goa, which promises have enlarged the vocal chords of the leaders of India including Nehru. 8. If Goa was not diluted and divided by sanctioning the OPINION POLL for and against MERGER OF GOA INTO MAHARASHTRA. 9. If Goans didn't have to go look out for paying jobs elsewhere, other that pre-invasion job seekers like cooks waiters and butlers. Today, even after being educated, other States of India are given jobs in Goa (read government jobs) to their compatriots. Ex. PWD, Electricity departments. 10. If they did not manufacture their own GOAN chamchas in Goa who loot and plunder daytime or night, hand over 3/4th of the loot to Indians and keep the rest to themselves. 11. Let our sons not be killed in custody by the INDIAN POLICE and then go to say WE ARE A DEMOCRACY. 12. Let us Goans see the Enforcement Directorate and CBI put to work in Goa on everyday basis and scoot out the looters and plunderers and jail them, even if they are the GOVERNORS of GOA. We do not care. 13. If our valuable assets which are our golden beaches were not converted to sewage dumps. I could go on and on. So why do we Goans who are not interested in licking any nationality but GOANNESS have to be EXTRA PROUD OF INDIAN AND INDIAN CITIZENSHIP Do we need to be PROUD OF THIS COUNTRY when it's esteemed Foreign Minister readS the speech already read by his PORTUGUESE counterpart in the UN Security Council to make us the LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD?? GOANS have considered the Portuguese the DONKEYS for having signed the co-operation treaty with India without asking or confiding in GOANS. When Indian Foreign Ministers read the speeches of the Portuguese Donkeys, are they not the DONKEY'S PAR EXCELLENCE? Do we need to be Proud of DONKEYS? Let India sack this joker and only then maybe, just maybe, we Goans shall consider. Let the powers that be answer all the above questions and then we GOANS shall embrace the citizenship and value it like it was part of our lives. NOT BEFORE. CHEERS TO GOA AND GOANS. floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Elvino Rodrigues elrock...@gmail.com To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Glorifying colonialism: Ignorance of history or slavish loyalty? Uday Bhembre, In those bygone times, Goans were mostly believers and of poor class use to believe who ever say anything. When Portuguese were saying they are Portuguse they were considering themselves as Portuguese and when Indians came in and Indians told them they are Indians they still believed so. Because they were of hard working type of people therefore, their main motive was to live as day come and goes by night. They much did not care who they were or are. But as time went by and education is rampant now every one has opened their eyes and started questioning the kind of life they had before and how they are living now, who they were before and who really they are now. Goans started comparing the kind of fearless life they use to live before and how they suffer in the present living with fear and uncertainty of next day. Under these circumstances Goans started thinking what was best for them to live comfortable then and now. I dont think Goans would blame India and complain it even as invasion over Goa if India's corrupt culture has not spoilt Goa totally, there is no law and order in present Goa. Look at Police Dept how deeply it is rotten, politically Goa is finished like. There are scams everywhere. There is fear and insecurity at every life root level. There is no one secure now a days even after Goans have imprisoned and barricaded themselves under grilled windows, grilled top roofs and even grilled doors? Under such circumstances Goans started comparing the life under Portugues Regime and Indian regime and expressed their disappointment. And if is trying to save us Goans with better
[Goanet] India: Hostage to a Demented Culture
This article is from the blog res gestae (www.rajivndesai.blogspot.com http://www.rajivndesai.blogspot.com/ ) you can reach the person managing the list at i...@comma.in Wednesday, February 9, 2011 India: http://rajivndesai.blogspot.com/2011/02/india-hostage-to-demented-culture.h tml Hostage to a Demented Culture My father, who is in his 90s, suffers from dementia. As such, he has no memory of the past and no idea of the future. He lives in the here and now. Just the other day, he fell and hurt his head. We took him to the emergency room at a local hospital, where the doctor examined him and declared him fit. The nurses cleaned the superficial cut on his head and released him. In the interim, I was heart broken to hear him utter the words, internal sorrow, not once but twice. As I got to thinking about his condition, I couldn't help marvel how closely it parallels the state in which India finds itself: without any wisdom from the past, without any vision of the future; just the here and now. The words internal sorrow are often expressed and lived out in the myriads of petty conflicts and self-centered postures. India is in a state of dementia, largely because of the here-and-now culture that has taken hold since the turn of the millennium. It is hard to discern if there is anything learned from the past or if there are any plans for the future. And let's not blame just the government or politicians; the citizenry has a lot to answer for. At a recent lunch in the Delhi Golf Club, I saw the unseemly spectacle of a child fooling around with the lawn umbrella, changing its incline in dangerous ways while his mother shoveled food into his mouth; or on a Spicejet flight a few weeks ago, where a mother, diverted her bawling son's attention by allowing him to play with the call button that summons a stewardess. Both taught their sons to be oblivious of other people who might be disturbed and diverted their attention rather than discipline them. Such children grow up to be inconsiderate adults, rich or poor, educated or illiterate, who have no restraints on public behavior and the need to be alive to the privacy and wellbeing of others. Thus, on an automated walkway at Delhi's dysfunctional Terminal 3, a couple, obviously well educated and affluent, walked abreast, not giving way, unmindful of me right behind them, in a hurry to get to the gate where my flight had been called. These child rearing practices have bred a uni-dimensional culture. Such cultures are demented in the sense that only a self-serving present matters; there is no learning from the past, no dimension of a better future other than instant gratification. Barbaric rituals and hypoglycemic hypocrisy are the hallmarks of such a culture. In the grip of this demented culture, India is increasingly rich but less modern; increasingly powerful but less civilized. And government and politics and corruption and inequity have little to do with it. Some years ago, I complained to a senior police official about the inability of his force to ensure the smooth flow of traffic. He looked me squarely in the eye and said, I could have five million traffic cops on the streets but still you will not have order; the culture seems to breed chaos. More recent: another senior policeman told me last week the problem is that despite clear-eyed laws, we are told to encourage consensus even in the face of flagrant violations. In other words, adjust! Yet, civil society groups, the media, the business elite and the intellectual set would have us believe that the system works but is subverted by corrupt businessmen, politicians and bureaucrats. The arguments are essentially messianic based on a belief that ascetic figures like Medha Patkar and Anna Hazare; brand ambassadors like Sachin Tendulkar and Amitabh Bachchan or soothsayers like Sri Sri Ravi Shankar and Satya Sai Baba could restore values and bring order into public life Messianic zeal in Indian public affairs is the legacy of Mohandas Gandhi, who acquiesced in his lifetime to the title, Mahatma. He was indeed a great soul who challenged and ultimately defeated the British Raj. Trouble is Gandhi had a lifelong problem with modernity. His book, Hind Swaraj, was a diatribe against modern culture, which he equated with Westernization. His retort on Western civilization, (I think it would be a good idea) remains in my mind the tipping point in his conversion from political strategist to the Mahatma. In that flippant remark, Gandhi dismissed the Renaissance and the Enlightenment that brought modernity and economic prosperity to the West. Gandhi's view of the West still has acolytes in 21st century India. That is one reason why economic prosperity is there for all to see in India today; but modernity, defined as civil values stemming from a concern for others, is a long way away. The key to India's modernization is education. Today,
[Goanet-News] Goa news for February 14, 2011
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Goa sees 15 jump in tourist arrivals in 2010 - Moneycontrol.com akers in 2010, a 15% jump over the previous ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHvmw4z-jghVN8DYkxILMyA2OOXyAurl=http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/travel/goa-sees-15-jumptourist-arrivals2010_522463.html *** Public meeting in the capital in support of suspended Judge - digITal Goa o-HC-Haste-hurry-to-dispose-Mahanand-case/45640.htmlBhakre to HC: Haste hurry to dispose Mahanand case http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGzulVl5QlD8mbp8fXj4KAwCLR1yAurl=http://www.digitalgoa.com/ca_disp.php?id=1811 *** Budget for Carnival celebrations in Goa slashed - Times of India arnival-faces-cash-crunch-news-national-lcms4ifbfig.htmlGoa carnival faces cash crunch http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHEAnW4ydYGTqeC0yuzQTErI_Wn-Qurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Budget-for-Carnival-celebrations-in-Goa-slashed/articleshow/7483755.cms *** Goa ex-Minister raps police to crack NRI case - Washington Bangla Radio our-deadline to the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHhOGEwOwiTNd-AOl1nvgpQ8MZOuQurl=http://www.washingtonbanglaradio.com/content/22021511-goa-ex-minister-raps-police-crack-nri-case *** No NOC from CBI, Scarlett body still in morgue - Indian Express QHfCpqbAJW7JRIg http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHJtXTfqXmGwzxZIAsh3mEeLm6cggurl=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/No-NOC-from-CBI--Scarlett-body-still-in-morgue/749755 *** Jharkhand, Goa win two gold medals each in Taekwondo - Times of India in-two-gold-medals-each-intaekwondo-aid0126.htmlJharkhand, Goa win two gold medals each in Taekwondo http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHmuZnBejoONhETlH_iuvoUC2yAJgurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/events-tournaments/national-games-2011/Jharkhand-Goa-win-two-gold-medals-each-in-Taekwondo/articleshow/7489477.cms *** Gun Owners of America Activists Win Three Key Battles in Congress - AmmoLand.com (press release) (Ammoland.com)- GOA recently warned you that anti-gun Democrats might attempt to attach gun control restrictions on the bill to reauthorize ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHzklrciihIgdaQrdEj4gUoflSLhgurl=http://www.ammoland.com/2011/02/11/gun-owners-of-america-activists-win-three-key-battles-in-congress/ *** 'No toll should be levied on private LMVs in Goa' - Times of India ommittee of the House panel for national highway widening in Goa have decided that no toll should be levied on private vehicles ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHrAjkqjnf2WoNBaGWUjQtGtJf11Qurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/No-toll-should-be-levied-on-private-LMVs-in-Goa/articleshow/7485041.cms *** Bengali cinema going for classy foreign locales - Sify fy'Actually, the cost of shooting a song sequence in Bangkok or Thailand is much less than shooting in Goa or some other place in the country,' Mahendra Soni, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGU2NAuqs3FdyQ9eYkgTFX8wfHNoQurl=http://www.sify.com/movies/bengali-cinema-going-for-classy-foreign-locales-news-national-lcnmEejagfe.html *** Goa tsunami in Sept 2007 went unnoticed, says NIO scientist - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: A tsunami in September 2007 was recorded in Goa and Lakshadweep archipelago in the Arabian Sea on India's west coast, but being mild it went ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFwJ61tvOVO24hcEr3YxGR-8gMlGgurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-tsunami-in-Sept-2007-went-unnoticed-says-NIO-scientist/articleshow/7485069.cms Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php --- NEW BOOK: 'PATRIOTISM IN ACTION: Goans in Indias Defence Services' Copies now available at: GOA: Literati (2277740), Other India (2263306), Broadway (6647038), Mandovi (2427904), Noel DSilva Associates (9823120454 / 9096781714), Confidant / Golden Heart Emp (2732450), David Co (2730326), Vardaan (9527463684) SERV / RETD Def Offrs in Goa: O/o Sainik Co-op Hse Bldg Sty, Def Col, Porvorim (2417288) MUMBAI: David Co (22019010) PUNE: Manneys (26131683), Popular (25678327) BENGALURU: Narayan (22865800) DELHI: Ritana (24617278) ONLINE (worldwide delivery): http://www.ritanabooks.com/booksdistri.htm, http://goa1556.goa-india.org ---
