date:20131226

Hi Cheryl:

Thanks for your reply. The only part of the details I want to change is a line 
or two in the Detail Text. This doesn't stop it from being a Shared Event.

Remember I split my sources, I don't lump them. When I source a document I 
include a transcription of the whole document into the Master Text (example 3 
paragraphs of information), then in the Detail Text I include only the parts of 
Master Text I require to prove something (maybe only a sentence or two).

As it stands now, anyone I share the event with, gets stuck with the original 
Detail Text, which may not even have their name listed.

I hope I'm explaining myself clearly.

Thanks!




 From: singh...@erols.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared Detail Text
 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:15:11 -0500

 lio . wrote:
  Hi Leonard:
 
  Thanks for your reply! Yes I realize that I can change the
  sentences themselves, but unfortunately I cannot
  independently change the Source Details. If I make any
  change to i.e. Witnesses, the change is copied to the main
  person.

 Perhaps it's me, but seems to me that if you change details,
 it's not a shared event.

 Cheryl



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RE: [LegacyUG] Shared Event - Source Detail Text

Hi Brian!

Do you lump or split your sources?
I split, and keep my Full source transcription in the Master Text, and only 
portions of it in the Detail Texts.

Example:
Master text [I include the FULL transcription in the Master Text for each 
person in the shared event]
Jack and Jill lived up on the hill. The old lady lived in a shoe. Jack lived in 
a pumpkin.


Detail text
Jack and Jill lived up on the hill. [I would only include this part to prove 
their address]

The old lady lived in a shoe [I would only include this part to prove her 
address]

Jack lived in a pumpkin [I would only include this part to prove his address]



I split it this way, as complete transcriptions can be quite long, and this 
makes it easier (for me) to look at the Detail Citation and see my proof.

All four of the people above are part of the event, but my detail text only 
focuses on their own part of the document.

I know I'm not the only one who does this (I've received a few emails from 
other users), but our numbers are probably well in the minority. Still allowing 
more flexibility might help others too.

Leo



 From: br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared Event - Source Detail Text
 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 14:09:52 -0500

 But there is only one event with a single linked source detail. The
 shared event cannot have different sources nor details for each
 person/role combination.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 br...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 On 21/12/2013 8:07 AM, lio . wrote:
  Hi Leonard:
 
  Thanks for your reply! Yes I realize that I can change the sentences 
  themselves, but unfortunately I cannot independently change the Source 
  Details. If I make any change to i.e. Witnesses, the change is copied to 
  the main person.
 
  I would like to be able to edit the Source Detail for shared individuals 
  without affecting the Source Detail of the main individual.
 
  L



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[LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

I'm using Legacy 7.4.0.45 and an quite happy with it. I prefer to keep
my tree plain and simple and have found that this version, along with
LTools, provides just about everything I could ask for. I'm not an
upgrade for the bloatware bells and whistles person hence my
satisfaction with the older version. I do find all the references in
Legacy to USA places and event styles, counties, etc. as clutter as none
of my ancestors came from the USA in recent history and wish I could
delete them. But such is the story of any non-American with software.

It does stand to reason too that I'm seeing the downside of V.8 on this
list, but nothing I've seen so far would induce me to upgrade. I
understood that a planned tie-in for non-LDS members where their tree
could be updated almost automatically upon connection with the LDS, or
something of that nature, was to be included in 8. That might persuade
me to upgrade but if it has been included, nobody has had any problems
with it yet.

Can anyone give me one good reason for upgrading? What is the number one
(only) reason they're glad they upgraded.

Helen in Hamilton, ON



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread Ron Taylor

Helen,
I am the Keeper of a fairly large database for a family association with lots 
of collaborators.  It is not possible for good collaboration between version 
7.5 and version 8 because the file structures have changed.  Version 7 files 
can be read by version 8 but not vice versa.  Therefore, I have recommended 
that all collaborators remain on version 7.5 until version 8 is stabilized.  
Then, if we move, we will all have to move up at the same time to continue 
having good collaboration.

One thing that I did note in your email was that you are still using version 
7.4.0.45.  I highly recommend that you upgrade to the latest version 7.5.0.278 
as there have been many bug fixes and improvements since version 7.4.  The 
upgrade should be free and should not alter your data.  Make a backup before 
the upgrade just in case you need it.

As for verison 8, I will continue to watch for the number of complaints to drop 
off and the problems to be corrected before I move.  At this point, there are 
just too many things that are not debugged or missing in comparison with 
version 7.5.
Ron Taylor



On Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:34 AM, ci...@treadles.ca ci...@treadles.ca 
wrote:

I'm using Legacy 7.4.0.45 and an quite happy with it. I prefer to keep
my tree plain and simple and have found that this version, along with
LTools, provides just about everything I could ask for. I'm not an
upgrade for the bloatware bells and whistles person hence my
satisfaction with the older version. I do find all the references in
Legacy to USA places and event styles, counties, etc. as clutter as none
of my ancestors came from the USA in recent history and wish I could
delete them. But such is the story of any non-American with software.

It does stand to reason too that I'm
 seeing the downside of V.8 on this
list, but nothing I've seen so far would induce me to upgrade. I
understood that a planned tie-in for non-LDS members where their tree
could be updated almost automatically upon connection with the LDS, or
something of that nature, was to be included in 8. That might persuade
me to upgrade but if it has been included, nobody has had any problems
with it yet.

Can anyone give me one good reason for upgrading? What is the number one
(only) reason they're glad they upgraded.

Helen in Hamilton, ON



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RE: [LegacyUG] Shared Detail Text

Hi Kurt!

Yes, that is what I have been doing, but it still makes the final Sourcing a 
little wonky for me.

It works if the Master Text for the event is short (ie. an article about a 
court case), and the transcription doesn't need to be broken down.

But if the shared event is based on a large document (ie. birth certificate), 
the Detail Text doesn't really make sense for say the Informant who is sharing 
the event.

Being able to alter the Detail Text would solve the problem for me (the 
complete transcription is under the Master Text).

Thanks for your reply!

Leo

From: kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared Detail Text
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:59:26 -0600

Have you looked at putting your individual specific info in the Event Notes 
field? Select Edit on the Shared Event from each of the sharing individuals or 
you can get to them through the master by clicking on the Sharing Icon for the 
Event (actually you can select the Sharing Icon from any of the instances of 
the Shared Event), select individual, then Edit Role. You can also edit the 
sentence structure for each Role for the Event type.  After selecting the 
Sharing Icon, the pull-down list for selecting the role for the individual has 
an entry at the bottom of the list for Add/Edit Roles.  Selecting that brings 
up a list of roles associated with the current Event Type, select the role, 
then click Edit Role to get to the sentence structures. From: lio . 
[mailto:likeitouts...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:07 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Shared Detail Text Hi Leonard:

Thanks for your reply! Yes I realize that I can change the sentences 
themselves, but unfortunately I cannot independently change the Source Details. 
If I make any change to i.e. Witnesses, the change is copied to the main person.

I would like to be able to edit the Source Detail for shared individuals 
without affecting the Source Detail of the main individual.

L
 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 06:27:23 +0100
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared Detail Text
From: legacy8.swed...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comSentences can be changed for roles and/or 
events.  They are changed the sameway you make these changes in Legacy 7.5. 
Just a little information.  On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:52 AM, lio . 
likeitouts...@hotmail.com wrote:HI David:

Thanks for your reply. Sadly I agree. As much as I was hoping the Shared Events 
feature would be a time saver, I would never be happy knowing the Detail Text 
was not consistent with the rest of my work.

But I do like having Witnesses, Informants (and other roles) having their own 
events (something I was not doing previously).

So, I guess the best way  forward is to create templates for these events (do 
you agree?).

Does anyone have examples of templates they have created for Witness and or 
Informant events (I'll check the Archives also)? I'm going to spend some time 
tomorrow looking at all the new Shared Event Roles in Legacy 8 and try to come 
up with Event templates for them.

Thanks David and anyone else with suggestions.

Leo

NOTE:  I am also going to put in the suggestion / request that Shared Event 
text have the ability to be edited. I'm sure I can't be the only Legacy user 
who would find this feature helpful.


  From: davidnew...@drdavid.plus.com
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shared Detail Text
 Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:39:37 +

 As I understand it when sharing an event the whole of the original
 event, description, date, location, notes is shared. In order to add
 details specific to the individuals sharing the event you assign them a
 role and then you can add notes which apply only to them when you edit
 their role.

 Frankly, from your description of the method you are using I cannot see
 any advantage to using shared events. Those of us who have copy/pasted
 events and hence produced multiple copies of the same source material,
 there is some advantage to using shared events. In particular if, like
 me, you make frequent errors when transcribing, I'm not sure it is worth
 the effort of sharing events which have already been entered correctly.

 David

 On 19/12/2013 23:48, lio . wrote:
  I split my sources... each document is its own Master Source. I
  transcribe the full document into the Master Source Text, and then cut
  and past the sentence(s) into the Detail Text that help prove what I
  want to prove. So the five people listed on a document (example), would
  share the same Master Source Text, but have their own Detail Text. (Hope
  that is clear).
 
  I've just started using the Shared Events feature. I now see what people
  have reported on LUG about the Source Details. If you change anything
  for the shared people, it also changes the information for the main
  person. I'm now putting information in the Notes section that I would
  normally have in the Detail

Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

Many of these bugs that were supposedly fixed in version 7.5.0.278 I've
never come across. There are many features in the program that apply to
the USA only and if the bug is there, I'd never find them and they
wouldn't bother me. And the improvements in 7.5 weren't improvements to
me, I just plain didn't want them.

 At this
 point, there are just too many things that are not debugged or missing
 in comparison with version 7.5.
And too many useless-to-me bells and whistles features.

Good luck with your database.

Helen




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[LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting

SPLITTERS:

1. When you source a document, where do you put the transcription - in the 
Master Text, or in the Detail Text?
2. Are you using the new Shared Events feature? Any issues?

I'd like to see how far off I am with my splitting method and alter it so I can 
start using the Shared Events feature.


Thanks!

L






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Re: [LegacyUG] Lumping vs. Splitting

2013-12-26 Thread Jenny M Benson

On 26/12/2013 16:16, lio . wrote:
 1. When you source a document, where do you put the transcription - in
 the Master Text, or in the Detail Text?

Being a lumper (which is actually correct practice for a relational
database, although I don't always carry it to the full extent which I
should) I put transcriptions in the Source Detail because that is where
they are relevant.

For example, I have a Master Source for  Birth Certificates from the
GRO.  A transcription and an image of the Certificate are attached to
the Source Detail wherever a particular Certificate is cited.  Another
example, I have a Master Source for the Book Monumental Inscriptions of
the British West Indies.  I attach a transcription and image of the
relevant entry to the Source Detail whenever an entry from that book is
cited.

 2. Are you using the new Shared Events feature? Any issues?

I haven't fully explored this feature yet, but I don't think I will be
using it.   Using the Birth Certificate example, I have the Birth as a
Vital Event for the child and I create an Informant Event for the person
who registers the Birth, citing the Birth Certificate as a Source for
both Events and for other information such as the parents' names.  For a
Census, I create an Event which has each person's details in the Desc
field and a listing of all the members of the household in the Notes
field.  I am very happy with this arrangement and don't see how a Shared
Event could improve on it.


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[LegacyUG] recording baptisms and addresses

2013-12-26 Thread Patti

I had always made it a practice in the past to show the name of the church
in the location field when recording baptisms and then putting the sponsors
in the events section. I am curious how others are recording this for
reporting purposes.

I see that we can add an address for the location  - is this where you are
recording the name of the church?  If so, how do you get this to show in a
report?  I have been playing around with this a little today and can't seem
to find the solution.

Thanks so much for your comments and assistance

Patti




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Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread singhals

Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either,
though.

My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships
doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always
not-use it if it's there.

If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice
option vote.

Cheryl

Ellen wrote:
I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I
also do not record all know best friends or pets or
anything else except for Church recognized marriages. If you
want that, that is your option. From the studies that I have
seen and from all of the rare same-sex pairs that I have
known, same-sex relationships typically are not life-long.
Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it
sounds like they might have with the below info. I support
them in not adding this as a feature. Legacy hears from the
few who want it far more often than those of us who are
grateful for it not being there.

God bless,
Ellen

On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick.
It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear
between program loads as well.

Need something more permanent in light of today's society
and the legality of gay marriage in many countries today -
heck even without gay marriage being legal, we should
respect and record the life-long partnerships that two
people had - we do it for men and women who don't marry,
we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as well

Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my
two cents forward that this feature is something that is
needed for accuracy in recording people, their lives and
their relationships.

On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com
mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're
comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our
website

http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Same-sex-couples.html

Sincerely,
Sherry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread Sherry/Support

We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken,
it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be
very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to
restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other
options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down
for all the add-on programs.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:
 Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either,
 though.

 My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships
 doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always
 not-use it if it's there.

 If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice
 option vote.

 Cheryl



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[LegacyUG] Backup not working

2013-12-26 Thread Boyd Miller

The backup function does not seem to be working, either when I exit
Legacy after making changes, or when I specifically ask for the file to
backup. I'm using the deluxe version 367 on a W7 computer.

My last backup was 24 Dec which is about the time I installed version
367. All the file types and dated backup boxes are checked, and I have
been through all the usual Check/repair and reboot routines, but to no
avail.

Check the date on your backups - does anyone else have this problem (or
not)?

Boyd


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Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread grayscot2


I'd like to up the count for including provisions for same sex 
marriage, significant others, poly-amorous, etc.

But also, switching to a different underlying database program.  
Anything so fragile as to need constant check/repairs is far too fragile.  I've 
used Dbase3, Visual Fox Pro and a number of free-form databases that never 
required this.  Zoot for instance is a free-form database PIM that is arguably 
just as complex or moreso than Legacy, but I've never had to check or repair 
its many separate smart databases, and in 20 years, through disk failures, 
crashes, and power failures/surges that burnt out everything else, cloud sync 
failures, have never lost an item.

So if you have to re-do the program anyway--and with Utah going 
same-sex marriage, you will surely have to--get a stabler database/file system.

Pres
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From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 December, 2013 12:22 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken,
it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be
very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to
restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other
options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down
for all the add-on programs.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:
 Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either,
 though.

 My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships
 doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always
 not-use it if it's there.

 If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice
 option vote.

 Cheryl

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Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread Orinda Spence

I would vote for the same sex, relationship provision.   Just to include
everyone in one's family tree.


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote:


 I'd like to up the count for including provisions for same sex
 marriage, significant others, poly-amorous, etc.

 But also, switching to a different underlying database program.
  Anything so fragile as to need constant check/repairs is far too fragile.
  I've used Dbase3, Visual Fox Pro and a number of free-form databases that
 never required this.  Zoot for instance is a free-form database PIM that is
 arguably just as complex or moreso than Legacy, but I've never had to check
 or repair its many separate smart databases, and in 20 years, through disk
 failures, crashes, and power failures/surges that burnt out everything
 else, cloud sync failures, have never lost an item.

 So if you have to re-do the program anyway--and with Utah going
 same-sex marriage, you will surely have to--get a stabler database/file
 system.

 Pres
 --
 Prescott Smith   graysc...@gmail.com

 
 From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Thursday, 26 December, 2013 12:22 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

 We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken,
 it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be
 very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to
 restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other
 options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down
 for all the add-on programs.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree

 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:
  Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either,
  though.
 
  My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships
  doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always
  not-use it if it's there.
 
  If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice
  option vote.
 
  Cheryl

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RE: [LegacyUG] Backup not working

My 367 backup works fine. Do try another manual backup double checking where 
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The backup function does not seem to be working, either when I exit Legacy 
after making changes, or when I specifically ask for the file to backup.  I'm 
using the deluxe version 367 on a W7 computer.

My last backup was 24 Dec which is about the time I installed version 367. All 
the file types and dated backup boxes are checked, and I have been through all 
the usual Check/repair and reboot routines, but to no avail.

Check the date on your backups - does anyone else have this problem (or not)?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread William Boswell

I think the easiest solution is to just add the same-sex partner as either a 
wife or husband whether their sex matches that position or not.  The marriage 
options allow adding whatever you want under Master Marriage Status List and 
you can also put a note that both individuals are either male or female.

Bill Boswell

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:22 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a major 
ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time consuming 
for the programmers. Not only would they have to restructure Legacy, they would 
also have to re-code all the other options based on the restructuring - not to 
mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs.


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RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

That is one upgrade I won’t be subscribing to very quickly – just imagine all 
the bugs and data integrity issues …



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From: Orinda Spence [mailto:crazypie...@gmail.com]
Sent: December 26, 2013 02:10 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages



I would vote for the same sex, relationship provision.   Just to include 
everyone in one's family tree.



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote:


I'd like to up the count for including provisions for same sex 
marriage, significant others, poly-amorous, etc.

But also, switching to a different underlying database program.  
Anything so fragile as to need constant check/repairs is far too fragile.  I've 
used Dbase3, Visual Fox Pro and a number of free-form databases that never 
required this.  Zoot for instance is a free-form database PIM that is arguably 
just as complex or moreso than Legacy, but I've never had to check or repair 
its many separate smart databases, and in 20 years, through disk failures, 
crashes, and power failures/surges that burnt out everything else, cloud sync 
failures, have never lost an item.

So if you have to re-do the program anyway--and with Utah going 
same-sex marriage, you will surely have to--get a stabler database/file system.

Pres
--
Prescott Smith   graysc...@gmail.com

From: Sherry/Support [she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Thursday, 26 December, 2013 12:22 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken,
it's a major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be
very time consuming for the programmers. Not only would they have to
restructure Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other
options based on the restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down
for all the add-on programs.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:
 Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either,
 though.

 My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships
 doesn't mean someone else won't need it, and I can always
 not-use it if it's there.

 If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice
 option vote.

 Cheryl

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Re: [LegacyUG] Backup not working

2013-12-26 Thread Boyd Miller

Thanks for your comment.
I have just reinstalled version 367 over the previous copy of the same
version.  In the process it skipped most files but stopped to copy at
least one, so it looks like an original installation issue. Backup now
appears to work fine.
Boyd
On 27/12/2013 8:11 a.m., C.G. Ouimet wrote:

 My 367 backup works fine. Do try another manual backup double checking
 where the backups are going before actually executing the backup â€¦

  C.G. Ouimet

 Kingston ON

 *From:*Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz]
 *Sent:* December 26, 2013 01:57 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Backup not working

 The backup function does not seem to be working, either when I exit
 Legacy after making changes, or when I specifically ask for the file
 to backup.  I'm using the deluxe version 367 on a W7 computer.

 My last backup was 24 Dec which is about the time I installed version
 367. All the file types and dated backup boxes are checked, and I have
 been through all the usual Check/repair and reboot routines, but to no
 avail.

 Check the date on your backups - does anyone else have this problem
 (or not)?

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RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread Brian L. Lightfoot

There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex 
marriages in genealogy.

If you want something for recording people, their lives and their 
relationships, it's called a diary.


Brian in CA



-Original Message-
From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though.

My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone 
else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there.

If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote.

Cheryl

Ellen wrote:
 I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do
 not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except
 for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your
 option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare
 same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are
 not life-long.
 Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like
 they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this
 as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often
 than those of us who are grateful for it not being there.

 God bless,
 Ellen

 On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

 Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick.
 It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program
 loads as well.

 Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the
 legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without
 gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long
 partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who
 don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as
 well

 Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents
 forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in
 recording people, their lives and their relationships.


 On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com
 wrote:

 No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're
 comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our
 website

 http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-
 Tos/Same-sex-couples.html


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 Sherry
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RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

Genealogy and Family History are not always the same ...


C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON


-Original Message-
From: Brian L. Lightfoot [mailto:br...@the-lightfoots.com]
Sent: December 26, 2013 02:11 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex 
marriages in genealogy.

If you want something for recording people, their lives and their 
relationships, it's called a diary.


Brian in CA



-Original Message-
From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though.

My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone 
else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there.

If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote.

Cheryl

Ellen wrote:
 I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do
 not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except
 for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your
 option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare
 same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are
 not life-long.
 Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like
 they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this
 as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often
 than those of us who are grateful for it not being there.

 God bless,
 Ellen

 On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

 Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick.
 It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program
 loads as well.

 Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the
 legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without
 gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long
 partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who
 don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as
 well

 Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents
 forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in
 recording people, their lives and their relationships.


 On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com
 wrote:

 No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're
 comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our
 website

 http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-
 Tos/Same-sex-couples.html


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree





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Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread Sherry/Support

THIS THREAD MUST BE STOPPED NOW!

Please, no more posts about same-sex marriages. I see that it's going
to start getting hotter

It doesn't matter what you think about the relationships and we're
getting *away* from Legacy topics now.

PLEASE STOP.

Thank you.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Brian L. Lightfoot
br...@the-lightfoots.com wrote:
 There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex 
 marriages in genealogy.

 If you want something for recording people, their lives and their 
 relationships, it's called a diary.


 Brian in CA




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Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

2013-12-26 Thread Kathy Meyer

I've been following this thread with some interest, although I have none of
those relationships in my personal records.  I think Bill states an obvious
and simple solution to this.  I've been pondering the ramifications of such
a change in the database from a totally non-programming knowledge basis.
 Even charting where the color coding can be based on sex. I feel that the
simple solutions without restructuring everything in the programs, would be
the best for everyone. Every time you make a major change, something else
suffers as we've seen during the recent update of Legacy Family Tree.  Any
time we can make a simple work around, it will be best.  I would be
interested in hearing other 'work arounds'

We need to stop this thread though because it is going to become
'political' pretty soon. And this is not just a Legacy Family Tree issue so
no pointing fingers at them either.  We all share an interest in tracing
our family history and discovering our ancestry; this is no place for
current event discussions.

I'm quite happy to have the holidays over, and be happily unemployed for a
little while, so I can get back into MY family history work and finally
learn the ins and outs of our new Legacy 8 upgrade!  I will be posting
frequently I'm sure so thank you in advance to all of you who are so kind
to give advise.

Kathy


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:15 PM, William Boswell whbosw...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think the easiest solution is to just add the same-sex partner as either
 a wife or husband whether their sex matches that position or not.  The
 marriage options allow adding whatever you want under Master Marriage
 Status List and you can also put a note that both individuals are either
 male or female.

 Bill Boswell

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:22 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

 We are keeping count somewhat, but as Leonard wrote quoting Ken, it's a
 major ripping apart of the basic design of Legacy and would be very time
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 Legacy, they would also have to re-code all the other options based on the
 restructuring - not to mention the trickle-down for all the add-on programs.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Setting Font Size

2013-12-26 Thread Brian/Support

I do not know if this is documented in the Help but holding down CTRL
and using the mouse scroll wheel worked for me to increase and decrease
font size.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
br...@legacyfamilytree.com
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On 06-Dec-2013 4:34 PM, David wrote:
 Is there a place where I can change the screen font (make larger) size
 on the Chronology Screen?  I found where to change it on reports but not
 on the Legacy Chronology Screen.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Backup not working

2013-12-26 Thread Sysadm

Hi Boyd,

It’s working fine here... I’ve just tried.

Double check the file locations for backups... you need to set them 
specifically when you carry out a backup.

Other than this, you could do a search for the particular backup file you think 
you have created.

From Windows:
* Click the Start button Picture of the Start button, and then type a 
word or part of a word in the search box.
Ie. Type 2013-12-26 (the date you created the backup)

Hopefully you will find the file you have just created.

Regards,
Tom

From: Boyd Miller [mailto:bo...@vodafone.net.nz]
Sent: 26 December 2013 18:57
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Backup not working

The backup function does not seem to be working, either when I exit Legacy 
after making changes, or when I specifically ask for the file to backup.  I'm 
using the deluxe version 367 on a W7 computer.

My last backup was 24 Dec which is about the time I installed version 367. All 
the file types and dated backup boxes are checked, and I have been through all 
the usual Check/repair and reboot routines, but to no avail.

Check the date on your backups - does anyone else have this problem (or not)?

Boyd


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RE: [LegacyUG] Adoptions

Assuming the child already exists in your file and with parents …



In Family View, with the parents in the “Husband” and “Wife” slots and with 
that adopted child in the Children section, right click any of the children 
shown to get the pop-up menu – select “Children’s Settings”. From the pop-up 
“Edit Children” window highlight the child in “question” and set its 
relationship to each the Father and the Mother – “Adopted” or “Biological”.



With that child in either the “Husband” or “Wife” slot of the Family View, you 
can right click on the “Parent” section of that individual to add additional 
parents and as described above, set that child’s relationship to these parents.



As a hybrid situation, you may have a child adopted by the 2nd spouse of one of 
the two parents. So, two sets of parents like Wife + Husbamd1 and Wife and 
Husband2. For each of the two sets of parents set the relationships of each 
parent to the child …



C.G. Ouimet

Kingston ON



From: Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com]
Sent: December 26, 2013 03:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages



Brian, how then do you treat adoptions?




Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)

For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
(Dag Hammarskjold)



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot br...@the-lightfoots.com 
wrote:

There is no genealogy in same-sex marriages thus there are no same-sex 
marriages in genealogy.

If you want something for recording people, their lives and their 
relationships, it's called a diary.


Brian in CA




-Original Message-
From: singhals [mailto:singh...@erols.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:16 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

Most two-sex marriages these days aren't life-long either, though.

My not needing the ability to add same-sex relationships doesn't mean someone 
else won't need it, and I can always not-use it if it's there.

If someone's keeping count, here's a it might be a nice option vote.

Cheryl

Ellen wrote:
 I do not record relationships of couples who do not marry. I also do
 not record all know best friends or pets or anything else except
 for Church recognized marriages. If you want that, that is your
 option. From the studies that I have seen and from all of the rare
 same-sex pairs that I have known, same-sex relationships typically are
 not life-long.
 Not everyone wants Legacy to make this possible, but it sounds like
 they might have with the below info. I support them in not adding this
 as a feature. Legacy hears from the few who want it far more often
 than those of us who are grateful for it not being there.

 God bless,
 Ellen

 On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Kathy Thompson wrote:

 Only problem is, this work-around doesn't stick.
 It dissappears with updates and it seems to disappear between program
 loads as well.

 Need something more permanent in light of today's society and the
 legality of gay marriage in many countries today - heck even without
 gay marriage being legal, we should respect and record the life-long
 partnerships that two people had - we do it for men and women who
 don't marry, we should be able to do it for same-sex relationships as
 well

 Please don't start on gay rights - I'm mearly putting my two cents
 forward that this feature is something that is needed for accuracy in
 recording people, their lives and their relationships.


 On 20 December 2013 07:00, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com
 wrote:

 No - but there is an extensive work-around if you're
 comfortable with using Access. It's in the KB on our
 website

 http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00549/14/Tips-and-How-
 Tos/Same-sex-couples.html



 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree






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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread Denise

I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to upgrade.  My version works 
just fine, and seeing all the emails about various 'bugs' gives me pause.




On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:15 AM, ci...@treadles.ca ci...@treadles.ca 
wrote:

Many of these bugs that were supposedly fixed in version 7.5.0.278 I've
never come across. There are many features in the program that apply to
the USA only and if the bug is there, I'd never find them and they
wouldn't bother me. And the improvements in 7.5 weren't improvements to
me, I just plain didn't want them.

 At this
 point, there are just too many things that are not debugged or missing
 in comparison with version 7.5.
    And too many useless-to-me bells and whistles features.

Good luck with your database.

Helen




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Re: [LegacyUG] Research guidance - Goal with no suggestions

2013-12-26 Thread Howard Cady

Michelle in Support
I believe you are missing Kathy Thompson's point.  I think she is asking
LegacyFamilyTree's Research Guidance to have your logic built in.  That is
for the program to be intelligent enough to determine that there is a
missing death date for a person and then use the generic rules you describe
to make suggestions as to where to look for the missing information.  She
wants to avoid entering guessed data into her known genealogy file.  If the
person is born in England, married in England, and has English descendants
then one would expect English vital records to be listed ahead of French,
German, or American sources, if these latter sources are mentioned at all in
the Research Guidance.
Howard Cady

- Original Message -
From: Michele/Support
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:10 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Research guidance - Goal with no suggestions


Kathy,
If I have nothing but a marriage record I assume the groom was abt 21 and
the bride was about 18.   If I have nothing but the date of birth of the
children, I find the oldest know child and calculate the marriage date 1
year before that and then their ages using the 21/18 rule.  If you have a
marriage or a baptism, you have at least one location on their timeline for
the Research Guidance to work with.  When I put in a test person with one
date and England as a location I got the specific databases you listed.


Michele
Technical Support
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

From: Kathy Thompson [mailto:kmthoms...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Research guidance - Goal with no suggestions

Not the point though Michelle - I personally have some ideas, but Legacy is
giving me no suggestions on where to look
I do have a number of Alt. Death events for people who I am uncertain of
when they died - even those don't help Legacy to give me hints like
the regular normal ones
ofCemeteries, World-wide or England Probate Records or England/Wales
Parish Register - Burials etc
It doesnt even have these as suggested soources for this person

No, I didn't find the names from Obituaries, if I had, I'd have a death date
or at least year for them
I have the names from the baptisms of their children or their own marriage
document, or from census records.
No I can't always use the census records because some of these people died
after the last available census for the area (ie 1911 in England)
Yes, some did die between census records, and for those I don't need the
hints because I have a very defined time frame.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Child born too Long after previous child

2013-12-26 Thread Chuck Schober

Merry Christmas

Thanks to all who have inputted to this problem of mine.

 I found the area to manage the settings.

THANKS ALL

Chuck


On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.comwrote:

 I wonder - could baptism dates be known for the three children and the PP
 alerts are being triggered by that?


 On 26 December 2013 07:22, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Chuck,

 I indicated in my previous reply that you can change the settings, and
 how to get there - did you try it?

 To be more precise, hover your cursor/mouse over the red question mark.
 A box pops up telling you various things, including that
 shift-right-click is what you do to change the settings.  That means
 you hold down the Shift key and then click once with the right-hand
 mouse button.

 This brings up the Potential Problems window, which has several tabs.
 Click on the Gaps tab, and set whatever you want - whether it's a
 different time gap or not to check at all.  Save your changes.

 You also have the choice, at the point where you've hovered over the red
 question mark and the information box pops up, to exclude that
 particular potential problem from this checking regime.  To do that is a
 simple click with the right-hand mouse button. Again, a window appears,
 this time it is called Exclude from Potential Problems.  Make your
 selection as you wish, and save.

 Hope this helps.  :-)

 Kind Regards,
 Wendy

 Chuck Schober said the following on 25/12/2013 5:03 p.m.:
  There are no dates for three children, yet I get the message.
  Seems that there is a default of three years to trigger this message.
  Can this be changed?
 
 
   thanks Chuck
 
 
  On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com
  mailto:wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Chuck,
 
  Why do you think it is false?  What is the gap between this person
 and
  its next-oldest sibling?  No need to answer these questions to us -
  they're for you to think about.
 
  The point, I'm sure, is to make you think about whether there might
 be
  an error in the data somewhere, or if perhaps there was another
 child
  born between them.
 
  Hover over the red question mark, and a box pops up with more
  information, including what to do to exclude this POTENTIAL problem
 or
  change the settings.  Have you tried following those instructions?
  That
  would be my first step.
 
  Hope this helps - please tell us more if you still need
  assistance.  :-)
 
  Kind Regards,
  Wendy
 
  cgs1...@aol.com mailto:cgs1...@aol.com said the following on

  25/12/2013 2:34 p.m.:
   When running Potential Problem application, get FALSE Child
  born too
   Long after previous child message.  Is there a fix?
  
   Thanks
  
   Chuck
 



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread Wendy Howard

Denise said: I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to
upgrade.  My version works just fine, and seeing all the emails about
various 'bugs' gives me pause.

There are bugs in the version you are using, too - it's just that you're
not as aware of them as you are these v8 issues due to them being
discussed here on the list right now.  No program is perfect, but a good
one is a constant work in progress to fix the bugs that have been found,
as Legacy is.

Don't take what you hear on this list as the be-all-and-end-all of your
decision making about upgrading.  If you're really concerned about them
in your decision to upgrade or not, consider each one you hear about:

-- Would it actually affect you, and the way you use the program?
What's the point of deciding to not upgrade because of these bugs, if
they're in features you'd never use anyway?

-- Is it actually a bug, or is it not working the way that person wants
it to, or is acting the way it is on their machine due to some other
setting on their computer that can't be replicated on another?

Genuine bugs will be fixed in time, and you'll only get the fix if you
upgrade your program.  This could include bugs that were present in
previous versions, too, if they hadn't been identified earlier.

Be aware too - what you're seeing here on the list is only a fraction of
the discussion going on about v8 (many people using Legacy don't join or
post here, and may be having off-list discussions with Legacy and other
users that you're not seeing), and some of the discussion here on the
list is particularly acrimonious from people who have their own axe to
grind, instead of reasoned discussion isolating and and identifying a
problem, and then moving on.  That could cloud your opinions, too.

Also, don't forget that you can download and install v8 without loosing
v7 - so you can take a look at v8 and evaluate its merits for yourself.
The two versions are installed in different places on your computer, and
you can have them both open at the same time to compare features.  Just
don't try to open the same data file in both programs at the same time -
make a copy of the file and open the copy in v8.  The data file
structure will be altered the first time you open in in v8, and after
you've done that it won't open in v7 any more.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy

Denise said the following on 27/12/2013 9:47 a.m.:
 I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to upgrade.  My
 version works just fine, and seeing all the emails about various
 'bugs' gives me pause.


 On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:15 AM, ci...@treadles.ca
 ci...@treadles.ca wrote:
 Many of these bugs that were supposedly fixed in version 7.5.0.278 I've
 never come across. There are many features in the program that apply to
 the USA only and if the bug is there, I'd never find them and they
 wouldn't bother me. And the improvements in 7.5 weren't improvements to
 me, I just plain didn't want them.

  At this
  point, there are just too many things that are not debugged or missing
  in comparison with version 7.5.
 And too many useless-to-me bells and whistles features.

 Good luck with your database.

 Helen



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread MikeFry

On 2013/12/26 22:47, Denise wrote:

 I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to upgrade. My version works
 just fine, and seeing all the emails about various 'bugs' gives me pause.

That's great. Just remember that version 7.5 is unlikely to receive much more
(if anything) in the way of upgrades. So, no more enhancements and no more bug
corrections.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

Wendy, Thank you for such a well-reasoned reply. It stands to reason
that we should be made aware of the bugs first because where else can we
ask about them except on this list?

I think my main question is  what do I have to gain from upgrading? I
don't want to upgrade and find that all the additions are more important
for U.S. ancestors, or that I would never use any of the new features.

As an example, Address vs. Location. My ancestors get a location in
their birth,  marriage or death entries, their actual mailing address
(eg. RR#2 or Lot 5, Concession 4,  township,  County, Province)
are immaterial to me and are possibly entered as an Event entitled
Location, but are the least of my concerns for any person. The only
street addresses I have are for living people who should be recorded in
my e-mail program instead, when I get around to it.

I'm afraid I'm going to be like another member here who regretted
upgrading. At the moment until I'm convinced otherwise, I don't see the
point, bugs or no bugs. Can't anyone give me a solid reason to upgrade?

And as I said before, I haven't found any bugs in the various V.7s that
affect the way I operate the program.

Helen



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RE: [LegacyUG] Adoptions

If she was, I wasted my time ... Lesson learned ...


C.G. Ouimet
Kingston ON


-Original Message-
From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: December 26, 2013 05:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Adoptions

On 2013/12/26 23:12, C.G. Ouimet wrote:

 Assuming the child already exists in your file and with parents …

 In Family View, with the parents in the “Husband” and “Wife” slots and
 with that adopted child in the Children section, right click any of
 the children shown to get the pop-up menu – select “Children’s
 Settings”. From the pop-up “Edit Children” window highlight the child
 in “question” and set its relationship to each the Father and the Mother – 
 “Adopted” or “Biological”.

 With that child in either the “Husband” or “Wife” slot of the Family
 View, you can right click on the “Parent” section of that individual
 to add additional parents and as described above, set that child’s 
 relationship to these parents.

 As a hybrid situation, you may have a child adopted by the 2^nd spouse
 of one of the two parents. So, two sets of parents like Wife +
 Husbamd1 and Wife and Husband2. For each of the two sets of parents
 set the relationships of each parent to the child …

 C.G. Ouimet

 Kingston ON

 *From:*Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhg...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* December 26, 2013 03:24 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Same Sex Partnerships/Marriages

 Brian, how then do you treat adoptions?


CG, I think Eliz was being facetious :-)

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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RE: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread David Abernathy

As for as the use of Locations/Places, I do NOT use any address. I just use the 
city/town, County, State, and Country.
I have NO use for the address except for a very few and those are in my 
contacts of my email program.

Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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From: ci...@treadles.ca [mailto:ci...@treadles.ca]
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 2:23 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

Wendy, Thank you for such a well-reasoned reply. It stands to reason that we 
should be made aware of the bugs first because where else can we ask about them 
except on this list?

I think my main question is  what do I have to gain from upgrading? I don't 
want to upgrade and find that all the additions are more important for U.S. 
ancestors, or that I would never use any of the new features.

As an example, Address vs. Location. My ancestors get a location in their 
birth,  marriage or death entries, their actual mailing address (eg. RR#2 or 
Lot 5, Concession 4,  township,  County, Province) are immaterial to me 
and are possibly entered as an Event entitled Location, but are the least of my 
concerns for any person. The only street addresses I have are for living people 
who should be recorded in my e-mail program instead, when I get around to it.

I'm afraid I'm going to be like another member here who regretted upgrading. At 
the moment until I'm convinced otherwise, I don't see the point, bugs or no 
bugs. Can't anyone give me a solid reason to upgrade?

And as I said before, I haven't found any bugs in the various V.7s that affect 
the way I operate the program.

Helen



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Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread Jackie King

When it comes right down to it, whether you upgrade now or later to a later
version of Legacy, you will eventually upgrade only because as you upgrade
your computer you are almost forced to upgrade the software at some point.

So whether you choose to upgrade now or in the future, the discussions are
relevant to everyone if they want to make sure their favorite options are
kept, expanded upon in the future, corrected, or deleted.

But no - no one should be forced to upgrade immediately.

Jackie


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Denise:

 Here are a few of the reasons you might want to upgrade to Legacy 8 - the
 new features:

 Origins Report

 Migration Report

 Migration Mapping

 Instant Duplicate Checking

 Potential Problem Alerts and Gaps

 Shared Events

 Family Bow Tie Chart – Husband  Wife

 Descendant Chart – L to R

 Source Quality

 Source Labels

 Source Clipboard – 5 sources

 Pedigree Citations

 FamilySearch Integration

 Wall Charts – Duplicate lines suppressed

 Chronology View

 User Interface – New

 Tagging – 9

 Automatic Sorting

 Statistics

 Media Relinker

 Media Gatherer

 Web Links

 Color Coding


 My favorites are:

 1. Automatic Sorting

 Legacy 8 sorts spouses, children, and events by dates automatically
 upon entry -- this is a major savings in time when it comes to data entry.
 This option along is worth every penny of the upgrade.


 2. Statistics

The Origins Report, migration report, statistics and enhance mapping
 are great new features.


 3. The Potential Problems Alerts and Gaps  Duplicate checking

 These features are great and will definitely help keep a better, more
 accurate database of your family and events.


 4.  The Media Relinker and Gatherer are very powerful tools to bring your
 pictures together into a better structured location.


 5.  The new User Interface - probably should be #1 on the list

 The new modern user interface brings almost every option out to the
 user in a simple intuitive graphic icon format.  It is so much easier to
 use and find what you want to do with this new user interface.  Without
 question, this is the single most important part of the new Legacy 8 that
 the user touches during almost any operation within Legacy 8.


 6. FamilySearch Integration

 This feature has greatly been improved and provides an enormous FREE
 resource to millions of family trees available at FamilySearch.org that is
 very nicely integrated into Legacy 8.  You can add new people to your tree
 from the FamilySearch Trees with sourcing with just a few clicks of the
 mouse.  Sourcing is automatic when you add a person to your database from
 FamilySearch.org.   You will find it difficult at best to do something
 similar at other websites like Ancestry.com (Oh! Buy the way, that will
 cost you $300-400/year to have a membership to access their database).  The
 $30-40 price of Legacy 8 seems like a bargain, upgrading is even cheaper.


 7. Other new features

I won't spend time on them here, but each of them provides additional
 reasons for upgrading to Legacy 8.

In my opinion, Legacy 8 is truly the best genealogy software on the
 market today.


 If you haven't upgraded to Legacy 8, What are you waiting for?


 By the way, I do not receive any $$ from Legacy and am not an employee of
 their firm.

 ___
 Leon Chapman
 chap...@gmail.com
 -


 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.comwrote:

 Denise said: I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to
 upgrade.  My version works just fine, and seeing all the emails about
 various 'bugs' gives me pause.

 There are bugs in the version you are using, too - it's just that you're
 not as aware of them as you are these v8 issues due to them being
 discussed here on the list right now.  No program is perfect, but a good
 one is a constant work in progress to fix the bugs that have been found,
 as Legacy is.

 Don't take what you hear on this list as the be-all-and-end-all of your
 decision making about upgrading.  If you're really concerned about them
 in your decision to upgrade or not, consider each one you hear about:

 -- Would it actually affect you, and the way you use the program?
 What's the point of deciding to not upgrade because of these bugs, if
 they're in features you'd never use anyway?

 -- Is it actually a bug, or is it not working the way that person wants
 it to, or is acting the way it is on their machine due to some other
 setting on their computer that can't be replicated on another?

 Genuine bugs will be fixed in time, and you'll only get the fix if you
 upgrade your program.  This could include bugs that were present in
 previous versions, too, if they hadn't been identified earlier.

 Be aware too - what you're seeing here on the list is only a fraction of
 the discussion going on about v8 (many people using Legacy don't join or
 post here, and may be having off-list discussions with

Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading

2013-12-26 Thread Don Hendershot

Spam!

~DonH


On Dec 26, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote:

 When it comes right down to it, whether you upgrade now or later to a later 
 version of Legacy, you will eventually upgrade only because as you upgrade 
 your computer you are almost forced to upgrade the software at some point.

 So whether you choose to upgrade now or in the future, the discussions are 
 relevant to everyone if they want to make sure their favorite options are 
 kept, expanded upon in the future, corrected, or deleted.

 But no - no one should be forced to upgrade immediately.

 Jackie


 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote:
 Denise:

 Here are a few of the reasons you might want to upgrade to Legacy 8 - the 
 new features:
 Origins Report

 Migration Report

 Migration Mapping

 Instant Duplicate Checking

 Potential Problem Alerts and Gaps

 Shared Events

 Family Bow Tie Chart – Husband  Wife

 Descendant Chart – L to R

 Source Quality

 Source Labels

 Source Clipboard – 5 sources

 Pedigree Citations

 FamilySearch Integration

 Wall Charts – Duplicate lines suppressed

 Chronology View

 User Interface – New

 Tagging – 9

 Automatic Sorting

 Statistics

 Media Relinker

 Media Gatherer

 Web Links

 Color Coding



 My favorites are:

 1. Automatic Sorting

 Legacy 8 sorts spouses, children, and events by dates automatically upon 
 entry -- this is a major savings in time when it comes to data entry.  This 
 option along is worth every penny of the upgrade.



 2. Statistics

The Origins Report, migration report, statistics and enhance mapping are 
 great new features.



 3. The Potential Problems Alerts and Gaps  Duplicate checking

 These features are great and will definitely help keep a better, more 
 accurate database of your family and events.



 4.  The Media Relinker and Gatherer are very powerful tools to bring your 
 pictures together into a better structured location.



 5.  The new User Interface - probably should be #1 on the list

 The new modern user interface brings almost every option out to the user 
 in a simple intuitive graphic icon format.  It is so much easier to use and 
 find what you want to do with this new user interface.  Without question, 
 this is the single most important part of the new Legacy 8 that the user 
 touches during almost any operation within Legacy 8.



 6. FamilySearch Integration

 This feature has greatly been improved and provides an enormous FREE 
 resource to millions of family trees available at FamilySearch.org that is 
 very nicely integrated into Legacy 8.  You can add new people to your tree 
 from the FamilySearch Trees with sourcing with just a few clicks of the 
 mouse.  Sourcing is automatic when you add a person to your database from 
 FamilySearch.org.   You will find it difficult at best to do something 
 similar at other websites like Ancestry.com (Oh! Buy the way, that will cost 
 you $300-400/year to have a membership to access their database).  The 
 $30-40 price of Legacy 8 seems like a bargain, upgrading is even cheaper.



 7. Other new features

I won't spend time on them here, but each of them provides additional 
 reasons for upgrading to Legacy 8.

In my opinion, Legacy 8 is truly the best genealogy software on the 
 market today.



 If you haven't upgraded to Legacy 8, What are you waiting for?


 By the way, I do not receive any $$ from Legacy and am not an employee of 
 their firm.


 ___
 Leon Chapman
 chap...@gmail.com
 -


 On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.com wrote:
 Denise said: I, too, have Vewsion 7.4.0.45 and am disinclined to
 upgrade.  My version works just fine, and seeing all the emails about
 various 'bugs' gives me pause.

 There are bugs in the version you are using, too - it's just that you're
 not as aware of them as you are these v8 issues due to them being
 discussed here on the list right now.  No program is perfect, but a good
 one is a constant work in progress to fix the bugs that have been found,
 as Legacy is.

 Don't take what you hear on this list as the be-all-and-end-all of your
 decision making about upgrading.  If you're really concerned about them
 in your decision to upgrade or not, consider each one you hear about:

 -- Would it actually affect you, and the way you use the program?
 What's the point of deciding to not upgrade because of these bugs, if
 they're in features you'd never use anyway?

 -- Is it actually a bug, or is it not working the way that person wants
 it to, or is acting the way it is on their machine due to some other
 setting on their computer that can't be replicated on another?

 Genuine bugs will be fixed in time, and you'll only get the fix if you
 upgrade your program.  This could include bugs that were present in
 previous versions, too, if they hadn't been identified earlier.

 Be aware too - what you're seeing here on the list is only a fraction of
 the

Re: [LegacyUG] Reasons for upgrading