Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 12:11:15AM +0200, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 01:16:53AM +0200, Aaron wrote:

  I have been building for 2 days and am wondering why, I see that a
  process called faked-sysv is using 80% of my processor, anyone know what
  that is?
 
 faked is used by fakeroot, which is probably used when building debian
 packages. Should not be used by vanilla kernel compiles.

However on Debian it is generally preffered to build kernels using
make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot (from the package kernel-kpg) even when 
building a vanilla kernel.

faked should take that much CPU time, though.

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SiS613u trendnet WLAN adapter on linux

2005-10-30 Thread Elazar Leibovich
I'm trying to get Trendnet's TEW 424UB WLAN USB adaptor [1] to work with linux. 
I couldn't find a native support with google, NDISwrapper claims to support 
this exact trendnet model. Installation worked fine for me (clean knoppix4.02) 
however it couldn't find the hotspot nearby. In both winXP and win98 it worked 
perfectly.

Does anyone have experience with this adaptor?
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can't wget http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm

2005-10-30 Thread David Harel

Hi all,

When I browse http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm 
it's OK but I can't wget it. I get Forbidden. Why?


My wget statement:
wget -r -nH --no-parent --convert-links \
  http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm


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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread guy keren

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Aaron wrote:

  However on Debian it is generally preffered to build kernels using
  make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot (from the package kernel-kpg) even when
  building a vanilla kernel.
 
  faked should take that much CPU time, though.

 So it has been building for two days already, I have do simple tasks but
 no serious work while it builds,It is up to:

just out of curiousity - what kind of hardware are you running this
compilation on?

compiling a kernel should certainly not take more then 1-2 hours on a
machine from the last few years - no matter which kernel features you're
using.

somthing is fishy here... sounds as if you managed to get the build
process to go into a loop ;)

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Re: can't wget http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm

2005-10-30 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On א', 2005-10-30 at 15:37 +0200, David Harel wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 When I browse http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm 
 it's OK but I can't wget it. I get Forbidden. Why?

Cause wget's User Agent is blocked. 

Try:
wget --user-agent-string=Mozilla/5.001 (windows; U; NT4.0; en-us)
Gecko/25250101 http://fobar

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Re: can't wget http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm

2005-10-30 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
I had that few months ago.
they do a simple check if you're using wget to grab pages. If you do,
then they block you.
If you add to your parameters: -U Lynx
then you'll get the pages just fine.

Thanks,
Hetz

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 Hi all,

 When I browse http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm
 it's OK but I can't wget it. I get Forbidden. Why?

 My wget statement:
 wget -r -nH --no-parent --convert-links \
   http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm


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Re: can't wget http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm

2005-10-30 Thread Noam Meltzer
I had a hunch. turned out to be correct.
It is filtering the wget user agent ID.
try:
wget -U Mozilla http:...

On 10/30/05, David Harel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 When I browse http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm
 it's OK but I can't wget it. I get Forbidden. Why?

 My wget statement:
 wget -r -nH --no-parent --convert-links \
http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/perl/perlnut/ch18_01.htm


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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
I have a pIII with 300mg ram.

I am also thinking maybe its a loop
Aaron

On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 18:37 +0200, guy keren wrote:
 On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Aaron wrote:
 
   However on Debian it is generally preffered to build kernels using
   make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot (from the package kernel-kpg) even when
   building a vanilla kernel.
  
   faked should take that much CPU time, though.
 
  So it has been building for two days already, I have do simple tasks but
  no serious work while it builds,It is up to:
 
 just out of curiousity - what kind of hardware are you running this
 compilation on?
 
 compiling a kernel should certainly not take more then 1-2 hours on a
 machine from the last few years - no matter which kernel features you're
 using.
 
 somthing is fishy here... sounds as if you managed to get the build
 process to go into a loop ;)
 


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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
No I scrolled up I don't think its a loop.

I didn't make clean before I started and a previous build was interupted
by a kid.
could this make things go so slow?

Aaron
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 18:37 +0200, guy keren wrote:
 On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Aaron wrote:
 
   However on Debian it is generally preffered to build kernels using
   make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot (from the package kernel-kpg) even when
   building a vanilla kernel.
  
   faked should take that much CPU time, though.
 
  So it has been building for two days already, I have do simple tasks but
  no serious work while it builds,It is up to:
 
 just out of curiousity - what kind of hardware are you running this
 compilation on?
 
 compiling a kernel should certainly not take more then 1-2 hours on a
 machine from the last few years - no matter which kernel features you're
 using.
 
 somthing is fishy here... sounds as if you managed to get the build
 process to go into a loop ;)
 


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[Commercial] Kgdb Pro support package now available in Israel

2005-10-30 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef


[ This is a commercial offering of a support package for a FOSS Linux 
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Kgdb Pro is a maintainted, tested and easy to deploy package of the 
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Details at: http://www.codefidence.com/kgdbpro.html

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[HAIFUX LECTURE+Dinner]Black Hat Conference by Ami Chayun

2005-10-30 Thread Orna Agmon
This Monday, at 18:30, Haifa Linux Club will once again gather to hear
Ami Chayun talk about

Black Hat Briefings

Black Hat is a conference about cracking. Ami Chayun works at
BeyondSecurity. I leave the rest to your imagination, which can feed on:

http://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-usa-05/bh-usa-05-index.html

After the lecture we intend to go out for dinner and some geek
conversation, everybody is welcome to join.

We meet in Taub building, room 3. For instructions see:
http://haifux.org/where.html

Attendance is free, and you are all invited!

We are always looking for new lecturers and topics, and are soon going to
start scheduling the 2006 season. Got somthing
interesting you wish to talk about? Got something new you want to learn,
and need the drive of a lecture to make you learn it? Talk to us.

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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread guy keren

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Aaron wrote:

 No I scrolled up I don't think its a loop.

 I didn't make clean before I started and a previous build was interupted
 by a kid.
 could this make things go so slow?

no - but it could explain why it's in such a loop.

if i were you, i'd start afresh - if it's still compiling now, it means it
is running for 3 days in a row - which is un-natural

--guy


 Aaron
 On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 18:37 +0200, guy keren wrote:
  On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Aaron wrote:
 
However on Debian it is generally preffered to build kernels using
make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot (from the package kernel-kpg) even when
building a vanilla kernel.
   
faked should take that much CPU time, though.
  
   So it has been building for two days already, I have do simple tasks but
   no serious work while it builds,It is up to:
 
  just out of curiousity - what kind of hardware are you running this
  compilation on?
 
  compiling a kernel should certainly not take more then 1-2 hours on a
  machine from the last few years - no matter which kernel features you're
  using.
 
  somthing is fishy here... sounds as if you managed to get the build
  process to go into a loop ;)
 


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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/30/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 O
  faked should take that much CPU time, though.
 if that means anything, but I remember kernel building only taking a few
 hours??

I think he forgot to type the not - a kernel build should *not* take that long
on any kind of hardware (not even on a 386).

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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
ok I just killed it.

Ignoring the instructions I got from googling.

how should I proceed now.

what I did was copy the config from my running kernel and the remove a
few obvious things and then
fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -vanilla --revision 0.1
kernel_image 

btw the kernel_image should that be there? is that supposed to be
substitued for something else?

Tzafrir mentioned: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot 

Thanks
Aaron
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 09:30 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
 On 10/30/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  O
   faked should take that much CPU time, though.
  if that means anything, but I remember kernel building only taking a few
  hours??
 
 I think he forgot to type the not - a kernel build should *not* take that 
 long
 on any kind of hardware (not even on a 386).
 
 --Amos
 
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help my bash is gone

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
Hi all,

I have this strange behaviour that when I open a new term session or
even in an existing term sesstion I will execute a common command such
as ls or cd and the shell returns command not found. usually I can close
that session and open another and things work again, sometimes I must
log out and back in  and sometimes (rarely ) that doesn't help.


I am using demudi which is debian and this once happened while I was
having other problems and I was forced to reinstall since I couldn't use
the command line

Any thoughts on what might be causing this very strange behaviour would
be most appreciated.

Aaron


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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
Hi all I am starting again and noticed that in building my kernel the
processor type was pentium pro.
I have a PIII, should this be Pentium MMX?
Thanks
Aaron 

On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 01:45 +0200, Aaron wrote:
 Ok some background.
 
 I am running demudi which has custom lowlatency kernels. This is for
 proaudio, which I sometimes play with..
 
 But with the latest kernels from demudi the smp kernels won't boot on my
 system.
 
 
  Why do you think your kernel won't boot? If it contains all the options 
  then it
  would usually pick the right driver.
  
 Youre right if I keep everything it should boot.
  
   In fact is there link to some place that lists what extra uneeded stuff
   is put in the vanilla kernel, which I can safely exclude?
  
  It depends mostly on your hardware but also on what you want to do with
  your system. Do homework.
 I am not trying to get to involved just a multimedia smp kernel that
 boots for me.
 
 Aaron
 
 
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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/31/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ok I just killed it.

 Ignoring the instructions I got from googling.

 how should I proceed now.

There are pretty clear instrcutions under
/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz,
read the entire document and decide which route you want to take BEFORE you
begin the process. I recommand also studying make-kpkg(1) so you get a better
understanding of the instructions in the README file.

Remember that as long as you don't dpkg -i your-kernel-package.deb no
irreversible harm should happen (and even when you DO install
your-kernel-package.deb, there are 99% chances that you won't loose the current
working kernel).

I use a script to wrap make-kpkg with my favourite command line parameters.


 what I did was copy the config from my running kernel and the remove a
 few obvious things and then

Note that if you just want to use an existing config then use make oldconfig
in stage 2%.

Always start the kernel-building process with make clean.

 fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -vanilla --revision 0.1
 kernel_image

 btw the kernel_image should that be there? is that supposed to be
 substitued for something else?

kernel_image should usually be there. Read make-kpkg(1).


 Tzafrir mentioned: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot

I usually just su to root when I do these things, but it's just an
ancient habbit.


 Thanks

You are welcome.

 Aaron

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Re: help my bash is gone

2005-10-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/31/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have this strange behaviour that when I open a new term session or
 even in an existing term sesstion I will execute a common command such
 as ls or cd and the shell returns command not found. usually I can close

cd command not found?? cd is an internal shell command (doesn't make
sense to run it in a separate process). Are you sure that's what happened?

What's your PATH (echo $PATH)?

 that session and open another and things work again, sometimes I must
 log out and back in  and sometimes (rarely ) that doesn't help.


 I am using demudi which is debian and this once happened while I was
 having other problems and I was forced to reinstall since I couldn't use
 the command line

I'd reckon it's a favourite passtime for real linux users to try to get out of
any broken situation without having to (in degrading order of preferences)
kill-program/exit-shell/logout/kill-xserver (ctrl-backspace)/reboot/reinstall.
I think it's a very instructive experience to try to achieve these
goals (what is
a learned for fun one day can come up as a real session-saver on another,
/usr/bin/reset might turn out to be more useful than you would
normally expect :).


 Any thoughts on what might be causing this very strange behaviour would
 be most appreciated.

Messed up environment (variables), trojans, bad disk blocks, broken packages
installed come up to my mind right now.

Try looking in dmesg(8) and /var/log/messages* for odd kernel messages.

Is this a private personal computer or some public/lab/family box used
by others?

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Re: help my bash is gone

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:56 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
 On 10/31/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I have this strange behaviour that when I open a new term session or
  even in an existing term sesstion I will execute a common command such
  as ls or cd and the shell returns command not found. usually I can close
 
 cd command not found?? cd is an internal shell command (doesn't make
 sense to run it in a separate process). Are you sure that's what happened?
 
 What's your PATH (echo $PATH)?
demudi  linux $ echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
demudi  linux $  
 

 I'd reckon it's a favourite passtime for real linux users to try to get out 
 of
 any broken situation without having to (in degrading order of preferences)
 kill-program/exit-shell/logout/kill-xserver (ctrl-backspace)/reboot/reinstall.
 I think it's a very instructive experience to try to achieve these
 goals (what is
 a learned for fun one day can come up as a real session-saver on another,
 /usr/bin/reset might turn out to be more useful than you would
 normally expect :).
not sure I get your point, I do know that expeinced users don't do what
I do, but search for the cause of the problem and a solution. I usually
panic and try the above options...
 
 
  Any thoughts on what might be causing this very strange behaviour would
  be most appreciated.
 
 Messed up environment (variables), trojans, bad disk blocks, broken packages
 installed come up to my mind right now.
 
 Try looking in dmesg(8) and /var/log/messages* for odd kernel messages.
 
from dmesg:
clip--
sda: assuming drive cache: write through
usb 1-1.2: USB disconnect, address 15
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status=0, message=00, host=1, driver=04 
sda : sense not available. 
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
sda: Write Protect is off
sda: Mode Sense: 00 00 00 00
sda: assuming drive cache: write through
 /dev/scsi/host7/bus0/target0/lun0:3scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead
device
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
 unable to read partition table
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 0
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 1
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 2
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 3
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 4
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 5
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 6
Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 7
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
scsi7 

Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
Strange how miopic I get, for things I am familiar with I run
to /usr/share/doc/* to learn new things but just don't think to look
there for the obvious...

On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:44 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
 /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz

As for ccing I am to my dismay back to using evolution after using mutt
which only give me the choice of reply or reply to all...

mutt was better 

Anyways I will read the docs and I hope ask less stupid questions.

thanks
Aaron


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Re: help my bash is gone

2005-10-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/31/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:56 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
  What's your PATH (echo $PATH)?
 demudi  linux $ echo $PATH
 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
 demudi  linux $

And you get command not found when doing ls with this path?
Is ls aliased to something?

  I'd reckon it's a favourite passtime for real linux users to try to get 
  out of
  any broken situation without having to (in degrading order of preferences)
  kill-program/exit-shell/logout/kill-xserver 
  (ctrl-backspace)/reboot/reinstall.
  I think it's a very instructive experience to try to achieve these
  goals (what is
  a learned for fun one day can come up as a real session-saver on another,
  /usr/bin/reset might turn out to be more useful than you would
  normally expect :).
 not sure I get your point, I do know that expeinced users don't do what
 I do, but search for the cause of the problem and a solution. I usually
 panic and try the above options...

My point is that if you get to it - it's worth trying to dig and find answers
to these problems so next time they come around you are ready to smuck
them in the face once and for all, otherwise you'll never become an
experienced linux user (or you might become experienced linux installer :).

 scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
  my cdr started doing this after ram upgrade

Looks like some device-sensing daemon probing the cd for a media,
not too worrying (and you could have clipped the identical lines in the
message).

 ---clip---
 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi9, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
 Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi9, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
 usb-storage: device scan complete
 EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
 EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended

Have you crashed your system lately?
Have you executed fsck afterward?
Try taking the system down to single-user mode (remember - try to avoid
a full reboot) unmount and fsck all filesystems except for the root filesystem.
Actually - if you are not sure (are you?) then reboot and check whether there
are such warnings about your root filesystem too.
Consider moving to ext3 (no need to reformat the filesystem, I've never
done this myself but I read it's just a matter of running tune2fs -j
device file
and updating the filesystem type in /etc/fstab)

 printk: 77 messages suppressed.
 UDP: short packet: From 213.97.234.10:39074 35764/43 to
 192.117.110.160:356

Have you setup a firewall on your computer? Have you taken down all
unnecessary services (this is apparently unrelated to your problem but still)?

Cheers,

--Amos

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Re: help my bash is gone

2005-10-30 Thread Aaron
On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 13:58 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
 On 10/31/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 11:56 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
   What's your PATH (echo $PATH)?
  demudi  linux $ echo $PATH
  /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
  demudi  linux $
 
 And you get command not found when doing ls with this path?
 Is ls aliased to something?
 
   I'd reckon it's a favourite passtime for real linux users to try to get 
   out of
   any broken situation without having to (in degrading order of 
   preferences)
   kill-program/exit-shell/logout/kill-xserver 
   (ctrl-backspace)/reboot/reinstall.
   I think it's a very instructive experience to try to achieve these
   goals (what is
   a learned for fun one day can come up as a real session-saver on 
   another,
   /usr/bin/reset might turn out to be more useful than you would
   normally expect :).
I didn't catch this the first time, but did a man reset and now I see
what you mean :)
thanks
aaron
  not sure I get your point, I do know that expeinced users don't do what
  I do, but search for the cause of the problem and a solution. I usually
  panic and try the above options...
 
 My point is that if you get to it - it's worth trying to dig and find answers
 to these problems so next time they come around you are ready to smuck
 them in the face once and for all, otherwise you'll never become an
 experienced linux user (or you might become experienced linux installer 
 :).
the latter is still more the case although less and less.
 
  scsi7 (0:0): rejecting I/O to dead device
   my cdr started doing this after ram upgrade
 
 Looks like some device-sensing daemon probing the cd for a media,
 not too worrying (and you could have clipped the identical lines in the
 message).
 
  ---clip---
  Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi9, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
  Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi9, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
  usb-storage: device scan complete
  EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
  EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
 
 Have you crashed your system lately?

it happens on occasion ie my ups broke and computers at home.
 Have you executed fsck afterward? 

no I use ext3 file system and thought the journalling was enough (truth
to tell I couldn't figure out how to run it under ext3)

 Try taking the system down to single-user mode 

on redhat this was a simple matter I also keep forgetting how to go to
single-user mode on debian.

 (remember - try to avoid
 a full reboot) unmount and fsck all filesystems except for the root 
 filesystem.
 Actually - if you are not sure (are you?) then reboot and check whether there
 are such warnings about your root filesystem too.
 Consider moving to ext3 (no need to reformat the filesystem, I've never
 done this myself but I read it's just a matter of running tune2fs -j
 device file
 and updating the filesystem type in /etc/fstab)
 
  printk: 77 messages suppressed.
  UDP: short packet: From 213.97.234.10:39074 35764/43 to
  192.117.110.160:356
 
 Have you setup a firewall on your computer? Have you taken down all
 unnecessary services (this is apparently unrelated to your problem but still)?
 
no I haven't set up a firewall and I have unnecessary services
embarrassed sigh
I will remove the extra junk and setup a firewall
toda
Aaron
 Cheers,
 
 --Amos
 
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Re: help my bash is gone

2005-10-30 Thread Amos Shapira
On 10/31/05, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2005-10-31 at 13:58 +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
  And you get command not found when doing ls with this path?
  Is ls aliased to something?

You haven't answered this question.

 I didn't catch this the first time, but did a man reset and now I see
 what you mean :)

I might have bungled again in the way I phrased this - reset was just
an small example of something that many people just close a shell
where running the right command could let them keep it.

  experienced linux user (or you might become experienced linux installer 
  :).
 the latter is still more the case although less and less.

Good on you.

   EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
   EXT2-fs warning: mounting unchecked fs, running e2fsck is recommended
 
  Have you crashed your system lately?

 it happens on occasion ie my ups broke and computers at home.

You have a UPS? Have you though of connecting its signal to your
computer so the system can shut down cleanly before the UPS runs
out of juice?

  Have you executed fsck afterward?

 no I use ext3 file system and thought the journalling was enough (truth
 to tell I couldn't figure out how to run it under ext3)

e2fsck - from the manual: e2fsck - check a Linux ext2/ext3 file system.

The kernel message clearly recommands running fsck.


  Try taking the system down to single-user mode

 on redhat this was a simple matter I also keep forgetting how to go to
 single-user mode on debian.

man init will teach you (and between you and me - it's init s).

  Have you setup a firewall on your computer? Have you taken down all
  unnecessary services (this is apparently unrelated to your problem but 
  still)?
 
 no I haven't set up a firewall and I have unnecessary services
 embarrassed sigh
 I will remove the extra junk and setup a firewall

Remember - you can install the most secure-*able* system in the world
but if you don't configure it properly it's still not secure.

--Amos

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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 02:23:06AM +0200, Aaron wrote:

 fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -vanilla --revision 0.1
 kernel_image 

 Tzafrir mentioned: make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot 

Yes, use make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot instead of fakeroot
make-kpkg. It will give fakeroot less work, because it will be used
only where (pseudo-)root privileges are needed.

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Re: kernel building question

2005-10-30 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Oct 31, 2005 at 03:06:03AM +0200, Aaron wrote:

 Hi all I am starting again and noticed that in building my kernel
 the processor type was pentium pro.  I have a PIII, should this be
 Pentium MMX?

Well, no, it should be Pentium III. (Config option CONFIG_MPENTIUMIII,
labelled Pentium-III/Celeron(Coppermine)/Pentium-III Xeon)

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Virtual Console switching:

2005-10-30 Thread Rafi Gordon
Hi,
 On my fedora core 3 , running alt/ctrl/f2 changes to virtual console
 number 2.(According to /etc/inittab, there are 6 virtual consoles).
 
 My question is : how is it done ? what is the chain of actions (or 
 maybe single action) which alt/ctrl/f2 initiates ? 
 
 On the FC3 keyboard shortcuts dialog window, the combination alt/ctrl/fn (n  6)
 does not appear at all.
 
 (It of course has to do to mingetty , which is what appears in 
 the /etc/inittab:
 2:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty2.
 
 But again, my question is : what exactly is the action 
 which it triggers in order to switch to the virtual console?)
 
 Regards,
 RG