Re: [NTG-context] [fontloader] positioning of diacritics
···date: 2014-12-15, Monday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 12/15/2014 8:08 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Good morning! This report by Github user SverreStausland has been lingering on the Luaotfload tracker for a while: There appears to be a difference between how certain faces of the Libertine family handle the placement of diacritics. With Version 5.1.2 of the family [0], the RZI version (fullname: “Linux Libertine O Semibold Italic”) shows a different behavior than its “RZ” companion (“Linux Libertine O Semibold”). Short demonstration in Context: \definefontfeature [ourfeats] [default] [mode=node] \starttext \start \definedfont [file:LinLibertine_RI.otf*ourfeats] V\char0306 \stop \start \definedfont [file:LinLibertine_RZI.otf*ourfeats] V\char0306 \stop \stoptext Note the misaligned combining breve above the latter. An equivalent test for Plain [1] shows that the correct position information is there somewhere in the font, since the Xetex engine typesets it correctly. it's a bug in the font: uni0306 in the second one has class base while in the first one it has class mark and context checks on that \enabletrackers[otf.bugs] Thanks for the reply and for the pointer. That tracker is indeed pretty handy! I attempted to open a bug report on the Libertine tracker but Sourceforge refuses to cooperate :/ Maybe next time. Best regards, Philipp pgpualdFxOdsb.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [fontloader] positioning of diacritics
···date: 2014-12-15, Monday···from: Herbert Voss··· Am 15.12.2014 um 21:43 schrieb Philipp Gesang: \enabletrackers[otf.bugs] Thanks for the reply and for the pointer. That tracker is indeed pretty handy! I attempted to open a bug report on the Libertine tracker but Sourceforge refuses to cooperate :/ Maybe next time. As far as I know there is no more a development of Libertine The font is open source to some extent, isn’t it? Any feedback will be valuable should someone decide to take up maintainance / development. Philipp pgp8701M5t2jE.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [fontloader] node injector / december 3 sync
···date: 2014-12-14, Sunday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 12/14/2014 2:45 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Hans, from the huge changeset two weeks ago: +texio.write_nl(The font code has been brought in sync with the context version of 2014.12.01 so) +texio.write_nl(if things don't work out as expected the interfacing needs to be checked. When) -- Message received ;) First off, thanks for bringing the fontloader into sync again. So far I haven’t noticed any obviously broken features. However, something is off with the node injector. We have a bug reported by Hironori Kitagawa that occurs with the ``palt`` feature in node mode: http://tug.org/pipermail/luatex/2014-November/004976.html Importing the shiny new font injector into the merged fontloader fixes the issue. FWIW here are test files https://bitbucket.org/phg/lua-la-tex-tests/src/tip/cnt-features-12-palt.tex https://bitbucket.org/phg/lua-la-tex-tests/src/tip/pln-features-12-palt.tex The Context version runs fine whereas the plain one does so only after my “fix”. The same is true for Context itself: replace font-inj.lua with node-inj.lua in the format to reproduce the issue. Is there a fix to the fontloader, perhaps only temporarily until the revised injector becomes ready? not really as the new injector does more ... also, the new code is kind of beta so it might not be a good idea to use that in latex already ... The current goal is to add an option to load the code directly from Context (TL, minimals). Right now this is non-trivial due to the extra packaging step involved, so the option will facilitate testing a lot. Let’s see if anyone is confident enough to test the fontloader on their own if it becomes easier. so, i'd first like to do more tests here; of course you can use the new injector if you want ... (i'm not touching generic now while messing with the context variant) Just running my tests ;) I’m fairly content with the prospect that the issue is already addressed in the beta. Philipp pgpkr10ge7yCf.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [garden] git mirror not syncing
On 12/8/2014 8:18 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi, the garden repo hasn’t been updated for months: http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context/commits/master Maybe a cron job got stuck? just mojca being away for a while and busy now, so eventually it will be up to date again (of course context has been updated a couple of times) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [garden] git mirror not syncing
···date: 2014-12-08, Monday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 12/8/2014 8:18 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi, the garden repo hasn’t been updated for months: http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context/commits/master Maybe a cron job got stuck? just mojca being away for a while and busy now, so eventually it will be up to date again Okay, thanks. (of course context has been updated a couple of times) I hope the script that imports files into the repo is still active. Best, Philipp pgpgT3R05zVui.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Strange behavior of a macro with ConTeXt ver : 2014.11.12 9:46 p.m. MKIV beta
Hi,
Macro written by Hans does not work.
Best regards,
Fabrice
% macros=mkvi
\starttext
\starttexdefinition MyOtherHeader #where #day #month #year #title
\defineoverlay[whatever][\useMPgraphic{whatever}]
\startuseMPgraphic{whatever}
path p;
p:=fullsquare xyscaled (\overlaywidth,\overlayheight) squeezed 1pt;
fill p withcolor white ;
draw p withpen pencircle scaled 2pt withcolor 0.625white ;
picture d ;
d :=
textext(\quad#where\space\endash\space\date[d=#day,m=#month,y=#year]\quad)
shifted .5[ulcorner p,urcorner p];
fill boundingbox d withcolor white ; draw d ;
setbounds currentpicture to p ;
\stopuseMPgraphic
\framed [
width=\hsize,
height=5em,
foregroundstyle=\itx,
Background=whatever,
frame=off,
]
{#title
}
\stoptexdefinition
\MyOtherHeader{Premières STMGB-STMGD}{17}{11}{2014}{{\ss \tfb \bf Second
degré : résolution d'une équation du second degré}}
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] TikZ on the garden
Hi, What exactly should I to do with respect to TikZ on the garden (for the minimals)? Switch to the version of TikZ and pgfplots from TL 2014 + replace t-tikz.tex with Hans' version and freeze in that state until TikZ is fixed upstream? Or just freeze at whatever version is in CVS at the moment and patch t-tikz.tex and wait for the patch? Any other/better suggestions? And what version of pgfplots should I take? Does anyone need the latest functionality of TikZ or pgfplots? Ideally it would be nice if TikZ was fixed upstream, but developers are currently busy and would like to understand patches before applying them, so it might take a while before the code gets fixed. I hate having to use CVS to go back in time (svn or git would be easier to deal with; what date to use for CVS), but if that's the only option ... Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mail merge in mkiv?
On 11/10/2014 12:17 AM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote:
Hello Pablo.
Here is example of add days in Lua:
\startluacode
x=5 -- add five days
tex.print ('Actual date is :'..os.date('%d.%m.%Y')..'\\crlf')
tex.print ( 'And x days added date is :'.. os.date('%d.%m.%Y',os.time()+
x * 24 * 3600))
\stopluacode
Many thanks for the reply, Jaroslav.
I wanted to avoid Saturdays and Sundays, so I wrote:
\startluacode
x = 1
final_date = os.date('%a',os.time()+ x * 24 * 3600)
if final_date == Sat then
x = x + 2
elseif final_date == Sun then
x = x + 1
end
tex.print ( os.date('%d/%m/%Y',os.time()+ x * 24 * 3600))
\stopluacode
This is all Greek to me, but it seems to work.
Many thanks for your help again,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] mail merge in mkiv?
On 11/09/2014 03:59 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote: Hello Pablo. The module I created about before 4 years ago, when I wanted to learn to program in Lua. Therefore, I think that my module is too rudimentary and not quite optimized. Unfortunately, since I do not now use much Lua, so I dare not reasonably somehow finish. Before inclusion in third party modules that would probably have to take some experienced Lua expert and redo the whole module. For my needs it is enough. I use this module very often for my practise (I am teacher). Perhaps it helped a little. Greetings Jaroslav Hajtmar Many thanks for the module, Jaroslav. BTW, wouldn’t you know how can I set a \date using Lua that adds x working days to the current date? Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mail merge in mkiv?
Hello Pablo.
Here is example of add days in Lua:
\startluacode
x=5 -- add five days
tex.print ('Actual date is :'..os.date('%d.%m.%Y')..'\\crlf')
tex.print ( 'And x days added date is :'.. os.date('%d.%m.%Y',os.time()+
x * 24 * 3600))
\stopluacode
Jaroslav Hajtmar
Dne 9.11.2014 22:49, Pablo Rodriguez napsal(a):
On 11/09/2014 03:59 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar wrote:
Hello Pablo.
The module I created about before 4 years ago, when I wanted to learn to
program in Lua. Therefore, I think that my module is too rudimentary and
not quite optimized. Unfortunately, since I do not now use much Lua, so
I dare not reasonably somehow finish. Before inclusion in third party
modules that would probably have to take some experienced Lua expert and
redo the whole module. For my needs it is enough. I use this module very
often for my practise (I am teacher). Perhaps it helped a little.
Greetings Jaroslav Hajtmar
Many thanks for the module, Jaroslav.
BTW, wouldn’t you know how can I set a \date using Lua that adds x
working days to the current date?
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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Re: [NTG-context] Strange behavior with the command \color[]{}
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Herbert Voss herbert.v...@fu-berlin.de
wrote:
Am 06.11.2014 um 21:16 schrieb luigi scarso:
\definecolor[H1prime][c=0.50, m=0.00, y=1.00, k=0.00]
[...]
\setupTABLE[column][1][width=4cm,align={right,lohi},frame=on]%,framecolor=H1prime]
The problem seems to be
%,framecolor=H1prime]
I have no problem with framecolor=H1prime setting.
I am using ConTeXt minimal copied into my up-to-date TL 2014.
hm the I have just update the TL 2014, and there is still the error. The
latest t-tikz.tex form Hans solves the problems
both in TL 2014 and standalone.
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Re: [NTG-context] Strange behavior with the command \color[]{}
Am 06.11.2014 um 21:16 schrieb luigi scarso:
\definecolor[H1prime][c=0.50, m=0.00, y=1.00, k=0.00]
[...]
\setupTABLE[column][1][width=4cm,align={right,lohi},frame=on]%,framecolor=H1prime]
The problem seems to be
%,framecolor=H1prime]
I have no problem with framecolor=H1prime setting.
I am using ConTeXt minimal copied into my up-to-date TL 2014.
Herbert
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Re: [NTG-context] Starting with bibliography / international entries
Am Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:22:09 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:
I found this about BibLaTeX / Babel:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28010/how-to-create-multilingual-english-japanese-bibliographies-with-biblatex-bib
It’s nearly the same problem as mine.
BibLaTeX 3.0 + Biber 2.0 are advertised to support this syntax:
Well actually (after a renumbering) one needs biblatex 4.0 and biber
3.0.
@COLLECTION{yanagida_zengaku_sosho_1975,
LANGID = {japanese},
EDITOR = {柳田聖山},
EDITOR_romanised = {Yanagida, Seizan},
TITLE = {禪學叢書},
TITLE_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
TITLE_translated_english = {Collected Materials for the Study of Zen},
LOCATION = {京都},
LOCATION_romanised = {Kyōto},
LOCATION_translated_english = {Kyoto},
PUBLISHER = {中文出版社},
PUBLISHER_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
DATE = {1974/1977}
}
… and extract the right version according to configuration.
Is there support for these constructed keys in ConTeXt?
sure, you can use any field you like and you can adapt yoru rendering
setups to use them
the problem is not so much to support variants of fields (although I
really dislike this mixed upper/lowercase mess)
You can write everything in lowercase if you want. The syntax only
expects the _ to separate the main field and the variant/language.
the main question is: how mixed is this used? are EDITOR and
EDITOR_whatever used at the same time?
You can. There are commands to choose a specific variant, but you
can also define fallbacks. So something like
Editor (Editor_translated) or Editor translated but fall back to
editor if it doesn't exist is possible.
The main problem is not to get lost in the variants/fallback chains.
Another problem is to get name lists right: After all it is possible
that only some authors needs to be romanised. But with the help of
the name hashes I was at the end able to do something like Müller
and 柳田聖山 (Yanagida, Seizan) ...
Smaller problems are how to write the names correctly -- after all
not everywhere in the world names follows the lastname, fistname
convention.
I had some longer discussion about this with the
biber/biblatex-maintainer:
https://github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/132
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Re: [NTG-context] Starting with bibliography / international entries
On 10/14/2014 10:19 AM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
Am Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:22:09 +0200 schrieb Hans Hagen:
I found this about BibLaTeX / Babel:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28010/how-to-create-multilingual-english-japanese-bibliographies-with-biblatex-bib
It’s nearly the same problem as mine.
BibLaTeX 3.0 + Biber 2.0 are advertised to support this syntax:
Well actually (after a renumbering) one needs biblatex 4.0 and biber
3.0.
@COLLECTION{yanagida_zengaku_sosho_1975,
LANGID = {japanese},
EDITOR = {柳田聖山},
EDITOR_romanised = {Yanagida, Seizan},
TITLE = {禪學叢書},
TITLE_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
TITLE_translated_english = {Collected Materials for the Study of Zen},
LOCATION = {京都},
LOCATION_romanised = {Kyōto},
LOCATION_translated_english = {Kyoto},
PUBLISHER = {中文出版社},
PUBLISHER_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
DATE = {1974/1977}
}
… and extract the right version according to configuration.
Is there support for these constructed keys in ConTeXt?
sure, you can use any field you like and you can adapt yoru rendering
setups to use them
the problem is not so much to support variants of fields (although I
really dislike this mixed upper/lowercase mess)
You can write everything in lowercase if you want. The syntax only
expects the _ to separate the main field and the variant/language.
the main question is: how mixed is this used? are EDITOR and
EDITOR_whatever used at the same time?
You can. There are commands to choose a specific variant, but you
can also define fallbacks. So something like
Editor (Editor_translated) or Editor translated but fall back to
editor if it doesn't exist is possible.
The main problem is not to get lost in the variants/fallback chains.
That was my initial impression too. There are simply too many
combination possible. In such a case it makes more sense to tune the
rendering than to figure out all the options. So, in context speak that
would mean something:
\btxdoif {title} {
\btxspace
\btxflush{title}
\btxdoifelse {title_variant_b} {
\btxleftparenthesis
\btxflush{title_variant_b}
\btxrightparenthesis
} {
\btxdoif {title_variant_a} {
\btxleftparenthesis
\btxflush{title_variant_a}
\btxrightparenthesis
}
}
\btxperiod
}
Authors are of course somewhat more complex as there one needs to deal
with the way names are constructed. But even then, in such cases
adapting a few setups is not most work.
Another problem is to get name lists right: After all it is possible
that only some authors needs to be romanised. But with the help of
the name hashes I was at the end able to do something like Müller
and 柳田聖山 (Yanagida, Seizan) ...
so basically you order by a mix of name and romanized name (or romanized
name with name as fallback)?
Smaller problems are how to write the names correctly -- after all
not everywhere in the world names follows the lastname, fistname
convention.
yes, although if you use APA it might have rules for that (but that is
Alan's speciality)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Starting with bibliography / international entries
Am 2014-10-13 um 18:00 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm te...@fiee.net:
Am 2014-10-13 um 16:49 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster
schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com:
The context suite comes with the file mkiv-publications.pdf which is the
manual for the new bibliography mechanism.
Thanks for the hint, I didn’t look after that.
I guess I will use the Lua syntax, since it’s the shortest.
… or stay with .bib, since there are tools for it, and maybe someone else might
need my data.
And hopefully I’ll figure out how to setup the output ;-)
But how would you cope with the international (i.e. Cyrillic) titles/authors?
Should I define fields like author_original or is there a better way (maybe
define the book twice, using crossref)?
I found this about BibLaTeX / Babel:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28010/how-to-create-multilingual-english-japanese-bibliographies-with-biblatex-bib
It’s nearly the same problem as mine.
BibLaTeX 3.0 + Biber 2.0 are advertised to support this syntax:
@COLLECTION{yanagida_zengaku_sosho_1975,
LANGID = {japanese},
EDITOR = {柳田聖山},
EDITOR_romanised = {Yanagida, Seizan},
TITLE = {禪學叢書},
TITLE_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
TITLE_translated_english = {Collected Materials for the Study of Zen},
LOCATION = {京都},
LOCATION_romanised = {Kyōto},
LOCATION_translated_english = {Kyoto},
PUBLISHER = {中文出版社},
PUBLISHER_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
DATE = {1974/1977}
}
… and extract the right version according to configuration.
Is there support for these constructed keys in ConTeXt?
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Re: [NTG-context] Starting with bibliography / international entries
On 10/13/2014 5:18 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2014-10-13 um 18:00 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm te...@fiee.net:
Am 2014-10-13 um 16:49 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com:
The context suite comes with the file mkiv-publications.pdf which is the manual
for the new bibliography mechanism.
Thanks for the hint, I didn’t look after that.
I guess I will use the Lua syntax, since it’s the shortest.
… or stay with .bib, since there are tools for it, and maybe someone else might
need my data.
And hopefully I’ll figure out how to setup the output ;-)
But how would you cope with the international (i.e. Cyrillic) titles/authors?
Should I define fields like author_original or is there a better way (maybe
define the book twice, using crossref)?
I found this about BibLaTeX / Babel:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/28010/how-to-create-multilingual-english-japanese-bibliographies-with-biblatex-bib
It’s nearly the same problem as mine.
BibLaTeX 3.0 + Biber 2.0 are advertised to support this syntax:
@COLLECTION{yanagida_zengaku_sosho_1975,
LANGID = {japanese},
EDITOR = {柳田聖山},
EDITOR_romanised = {Yanagida, Seizan},
TITLE = {禪學叢書},
TITLE_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
TITLE_translated_english = {Collected Materials for the Study of Zen},
LOCATION = {京都},
LOCATION_romanised = {Kyōto},
LOCATION_translated_english = {Kyoto},
PUBLISHER = {中文出版社},
PUBLISHER_romanised = {Chūbun shuppansha},
DATE = {1974/1977}
}
… and extract the right version according to configuration.
Is there support for these constructed keys in ConTeXt?
sure, you can use any field you like and you can adapt yoru rendering
setups to use them
the problem is not so much to support variants of fields (although I
really dislike this mixed upper/lowercase mess)
the main question is: how mixed is this used? are EDITOR and
EDITOR_whatever used at the same time?
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Automatic reference prefixing in heads with prefix=+ broken?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Christoph Reller
christoph.rel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Christoph Reller
christoph.rel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Various documents mention a namespace feature for references by setting
prefix=+. This is a really cool feature but I cannot get it to work. Why
does the following example not work:
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\setuphead[chapter][prefix=+]
\starttext
\startchapter[reference=chap1,title={First Chapter}]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title={First Section in First Chapter}]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].\par
Reference \type{chap2:sec1} is \about[chap2:sec1].\par
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\startchapter[reference=chap2,title={Second Chapter}]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title={First Section in Second Chapter}]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].\par
Reference \type{chap1:sec1} is \about[chap1:sec1].\par
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Any help is appreciated.
Christoph Reller
Does anybody have a minimal working example on this topic? Because of the
concise syntax prefix=+ it is difficult to google for an example.
This feature is mentioned in two places:
1. contextref.pdf in section 12.5 Cross references explains the main
mechanism but seems a little outdated.
2. Hans Hagen, This Way - Cross document referencing, September 2011.
This is more up to date, but mentions the feature only briefly. The
mentioned key there is not prefix but referenceprefix, which doesn't
seem to work either.
Regards,
Christoph Reller
Hi everybody
Is automatic prefixing of references partially broken?
I have found the following example for mkiv in the unofficial test suite (
https://github.com/melmothx/context-unofficial-test-suite):
\setuphead[chapter][referenceprefix=+]
\starttext
\chapter[one]{Chapter One}
\section[bla]{Blablabla}
\chapter[two]{Chapter Two}
See \in{Section}[one:bla]
\stoptext
The test suite also contains the output pdf with the correct reference. So
there must have been a time when mkiv did resolve the reference in the
above example correctly. On my ConTeXt standalone dating 2014.08.19 11:57,
the above example does, however, not work.
The example does only a test of non-local references (from within the
namespace two to the different namespace one). Local references do,
however, work even with my version of ConTeXt. Here is an example:
\setuphead[chapter][referenceprefix=+]
\starttext
\startchapter[reference=chap1,title=First Chapter]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title=First Section in First Chapter]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\startchapter[reference=chap2,title=Second Chapter]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title=First Section in Second Chapter]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
But how can I now reference chap1:sec1 from withing chap2? I tried
\about[chap1:sec1], but in vain.
Referencing the global namespace with -: does, surprisingly, work. Here
is an example:
\setuphead[chapter][referenceprefix=+]
\starttext
\startsection[reference=sec1,title=Freefloating Section]
\about[sec1]
\stopsection
\startchapter[reference=chap1,title=First Chapter]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title=First Section in First Chapter]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].\par
Reference \type{-:sec1} is \about[-:sec1]
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Any help is appreciated.
Regards,
Christoph Reller
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Re: [NTG-context] Automatic reference prefixing in heads with prefix=+
On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Christoph Reller
christoph.rel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Various documents mention a namespace feature for references by setting
prefix=+. This is a really cool feature but I cannot get it to work. Why
does the following example not work:
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\setuphead[chapter][prefix=+]
\starttext
\startchapter[reference=chap1,title={First Chapter}]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title={First Section in First Chapter}]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].\par
Reference \type{chap2:sec1} is \about[chap2:sec1].\par
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\startchapter[reference=chap2,title={Second Chapter}]
\startsection[reference=sec1,title={First Section in Second Chapter}]
Reference \type{sec1} is \about[sec1].\par
Reference \type{chap1:sec1} is \about[chap1:sec1].\par
\stopsection
\stopchapter
\stoptext
Any help is appreciated.
Christoph Reller
Does anybody have a minimal working example on this topic? Because of the
concise syntax prefix=+ it is difficult to google for an example.
This feature is mentioned in two places:
1. contextref.pdf in section 12.5 Cross references explains the main
mechanism but seems a little outdated.
2. Hans Hagen, This Way - Cross document referencing, September 2011.
This is more up to date, but mentions the feature only briefly. The
mentioned key there is not prefix but referenceprefix, which doesn't
seem to work either.
Regards,
Christoph Reller
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Re: [NTG-context] about Noto Sans CJK font problem
Dear Akira, Thank you for your test. I updated to ConTeXt ver: 2014.09.26 11:42 MKIV beta and test it again. But I got the same error. There may be another problem which I don’t know. Thank you again. Best regards, Dalyoung -- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 10:30:51 +0900 From: Akira Kakuto kak...@fuk.kindai.ac.jp To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Subject: [NTG-context] about Noto Sans CJK font problem Message-ID: 2136E6CBAF67499789D6C08EDA3FE859@CJ3001517A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; Format=flowed Recently, I installed ?Noto Sans CJK? font which is developed by Adobe and Google. After ?mtxrun ?generate?, luatex locates the font. For test, I run the following code and got ?fatal error:no return code? message. Even though I didn?t include Korea test, it says the same error message. In the case of NotoSansCJKjp-Regular, context ends without errors (mtx-context | current version: 2014.09.26 11:42). However the resulting PDF shows incorrect characters. I attach nototest.tar.gz: source = u.tex result = u.pdf Compare with the correct XeTeX case: source = u1.tex result = u1.pdf Best, Akira -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nototest.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 9937 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/attachments/20140927/a0769181/attachment.bin -- ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ End of ntg-context Digest, Vol 123, Issue 40 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] s-mod produces system error: invalid parameter ...
Hi,
Probably this is a minor thing. When processing the following module
template:
%D \module[
%D file=p-Mymod,
%D title=The Mymod Module,
%D author=The Author,
%D date=\currentdate,
%D ]
%M \usemodule[Mymod]
%D Hello
\writestatus{loading}{ConTeXt User Module / Mymod}
\unprotect
\protect
\endinput
with:
context --ctx=s-mod p-Mymod.mkiv
then the console output contains:
system error: invalid parent type for parametercommand, type
defined too (best check it)
The output module documentation is, however, produced correctly. I assume
that this is harmless, but it would be nice if the log file contained no
error message if the processing was successful.
Thank you for any feedback,
Christoph Reller
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Re: [NTG-context] s-mod produces system error: invalid parameter ...
Am 21.09.2014 um 15:29 schrieb Christoph Reller christoph.rel...@gmail.com:
Hi,
Probably this is a minor thing. When processing the following module template:
%D \module[
%D file=p-Mymod,
%D title=The Mymod Module,
%D author=The Author,
%D date=\currentdate,
%D ]
%M \usemodule[Mymod]
%D Hello
\writestatus{loading}{ConTeXt User Module / Mymod}
\unprotect
\protect
\endinput
with:
context --ctx=s-mod p-Mymod.mkiv
then the console output contains:
system error: invalid parent type for parametercommand, type
defined too (best check it)
The output module documentation is, however, produced correctly. I assume
that this is harmless, but it would be nice if the log file contained no
error message if the processing was successful.
The error message is produced by the following line in x-set-11.mkiv:
\definetype[parametercommand][type]
The problem is the parent setting for the \parametercommand command which
doesn’t exist because
the \type command isn’t created with \definetype[type].
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] E-books and XML.
On 8/28/2014 10:10 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2014-08-27 um 16:06 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: \setupbackend [export=yes, xhtml=yes, css=export-example.css] also exports an html file with all tags being 'div' and the default css has been adapted to support both. The default css still need some work because not all browsers handle these div expressions equally well. The idea is to have a decent looking default as template (one can always overload). I have no ebook device (threw away the broken very old one) so no testing of that part done. Unfortunately, in that new HTML file, you put all attributes into the class name, so it makes more sense to translate the XML as before. e.g. div class=document xmlns:m-http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML date-Thu Aug 28 14:00:55 2014 author-Henning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle version-0.31 title-Gestammelte Werke context-2014.08.27 11:51 file-prd_hraban language-de xmlns:xhtml-http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; that one is already fixed div class=division detail-frontpart div class=metadata div class=metavariable name-authorHenning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle/div those are is okay as a class can have multiple names and the attribute-name prefix can be used for further css detailing ... so we export both xthml old style (using tags, something that browsers understand) and xhtml new style (something that epub devices might be able to handle) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] E-books and XML.
On 8/28/2014 12:54 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2014-08-28 um 14:22 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: div class=document xmlns:m-http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML date-Thu Aug 28 14:00:55 2014 author-Henning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle version-0.31 title-Gestammelte Werke context-2014.08.27 11:51 file-prd_hraban language-de xmlns:xhtml-http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; that one is already fixed good div class=division detail-frontpart div class=metadata div class=metavariable name-authorHenning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle/div those are is okay as a class can have multiple names and the attribute-name prefix can be used for further css detailing ... so we export both xthml old style (using tags, something that browsers understand) and xhtml new style (something that epub devices might be able to handle) Ok, I don’t care, will continue to use the XML. Next issue: I just recognized there’s a problem with references, esp. register: section detail=Titel location=aut:2 sectiontitleErinnerung /sectiontitle registerentryErinnerung/registerentry registerpages break/ registerpagelink destination=internal(3) location=aut:34/link/registerpage/registerpages registerentryVor meinem inn’ren Auge schweben Namen/registerentry registerpages break/ registerpagelink destination=internal(4) location=aut:44/link/registerpage/registerpages (These are title and start of lyrics of a song.) Beside the inconvenience that there is no node wrapping registerentry and registerpages, the locations don’t match. If there are several index entries pointing to the same point (page), as here, they’re continuously numbered, so that it’s no solution to just subtract 1, as I do at the moment to create my ToC. Maybe the internal location numbers mean something, but I need a working reference; export.xml doesn’t know anything about pages, therefore the destination makes no sense. Doesn’t ConTeXt have some unique internal reference name? the internals are the unique ones - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] E-books and XML.
On 8/28/2014 12:54 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2014-08-28 um 14:22 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: div class=document xmlns:m-http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML date-Thu Aug 28 14:00:55 2014 author-Henning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle version-0.31 title-Gestammelte Werke context-2014.08.27 11:51 file-prd_hraban language-de xmlns:xhtml-http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; that one is already fixed good div class=division detail-frontpart div class=metadata div class=metavariable name-authorHenning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle/div those are is okay as a class can have multiple names and the attribute-name prefix can be used for further css detailing ... so we export both xthml old style (using tags, something that browsers understand) and xhtml new style (something that epub devices might be able to handle) Ok, I don’t care, will continue to use the XML. Next issue: I just recognized there’s a problem with references, esp. register: section detail=Titel location=aut:2 sectiontitleErinnerung /sectiontitle registerentryErinnerung/registerentry registerpages break/ registerpagelink destination=internal(3) location=aut:34/link/registerpage/registerpages registerentryVor meinem inn’ren Auge schweben Namen/registerentry registerpages break/ registerpagelink destination=internal(4) location=aut:44/link/registerpage/registerpages (These are title and start of lyrics of a song.) Beside the inconvenience that there is no node wrapping registerentry and registerpages, the locations don’t match. If there are several index entries pointing to the same point (page), as here, they’re continuously numbered, so that it’s no solution to just subtract 1, as I do at the moment to create my ToC. no test file ... no solution ... Maybe the internal location numbers mean something, but I need a working reference; export.xml doesn’t know anything about pages, therefore the destination makes no sense. Doesn’t ConTeXt have some unique internal reference name? Greetlings, Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] E-books and XML.
On 8/28/2014 12:54 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2014-08-28 um 14:22 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl:
div class=document xmlns:m-http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML date-Thu Aug 28
14:00:55 2014 author-Henning Hraban Ramm, fiëé visuëlle version-0.31 title-Gestammelte Werke
context-2014.08.27 11:51 file-prd_hraban language-de
xmlns:xhtml-http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml;
that one is already fixed
good
div class=division detail-frontpart
div class=metadata
div class=metavariable name-authorHenning Hraban Ramm, fiëé
visuëlle/div
those are is okay as a class can have multiple names and the attribute-name
prefix can be used for further css detailing ... so we export both xthml old
style (using tags, something that browsers understand) and xhtml new style
(something that epub devices might be able to handle)
Ok, I don’t care, will continue to use the XML.
Next issue:
I just recognized there’s a problem with references, esp. register:
section detail=Titel location=aut:2
sectiontitleErinnerung /sectiontitle
registerentryErinnerung/registerentry
registerpages break/
registerpagelink destination=internal(3)
location=aut:34/link/registerpage/registerpages
registerentryVor meinem inn’ren Auge schweben Namen/registerentry
registerpages break/
registerpagelink destination=internal(4)
location=aut:44/link/registerpage/registerpages
(These are title and start of lyrics of a song.)
Beside the inconvenience that there is no node wrapping registerentry and
registerpages, the locations don’t match.
If there are several index entries pointing to the same point (page), as here,
they’re continuously numbered, so that it’s no solution to just subtract 1, as
I do at the moment to create my ToC.
new beta
\setupbackend
[export=yes,
xhtml=yes,
css=export-example.css]
\starttext
\index{foo}foo \page
\index{bar}bar \page
\index{foo}foo \page
\index{bar}bar \page
\index{foo+test}foo \page
\index{bar+test}bar \page
\placeregister[index]
\stoptext
gives:
register detail=index
registersection
registertagb/registertag
registerentries
registerentry
registercontentbar/registercontent
registerpagesregisterpage2/registerpageregisterseparator,/registerseparatorregisterpage4/registerpage/registerpages
/registerentry
registerentries
registerentry
registercontenttest/registercontent
registerpagesregisterpage6/registerpage/registerpages
/registerentry
/registerentries
/registerentries
/registersection
registersection
registertagf/registertag
registerentries
registerentry
registercontentfoo/registercontent
registerpagesregisterpage1/registerpageregisterseparator,/registerseparatorregisterpage3/registerpage/registerpages
/registerentry
registerentries
registerentry
registercontenttest/registercontent
registerpagesregisterpage5/registerpage/registerpages
/registerentry
/registerentries
/registerentries
/registersection
/register
Maybe the internal location numbers mean something, but I need a working
reference; export.xml doesn’t know anything about pages, therefore the
destination makes no sense. Doesn’t ConTeXt have some unique internal reference
name?
Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] E-books and XML.
Am 2014-08-26 um 23:29 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: On 8/26/2014 7:08 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Creating ePub from ConTeXt is still tedious - you need to tag everything (even paragraphs) with \start/\stop, the resulting export.xml is still missing a root node if you use project structure (components), and you need to tinker a lot with the results, since even available information like title is not written to the relevant ePub files. rootnode .. in what sense? Sorry Hans, I complained about that several times already: If I have a project structure, i.e. a product with components, export.xml starts like “““ ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 standalone=yes ? !-- input filename : prd_hraban-- !-- processing date : Tue Aug 26 12:55:41 2014 -- !-- context version : 2014.08.19 11:57 -- !-- exporter version : 0.31 -- division detail=frontpart metadata “““ And since there are several divisions or other top nodes, Saxon rejects the file because it’s missing a root node. metadata is always put into the first node of the file (that should be the root node). Only with a single TeX file, I get something like “““ ?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8' standalone='yes' ? !-- input filename : solo -- !-- processing date : Wed Mar 12 11:06:58 2014 -- !-- context version : 2014.03.07 11:42 -- !-- exporter version : 0.30 -- document language=en file=solo date=Wed Mar 12 11:06:58 2014 context=2014.03.07 11:42 version=0.30 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML; metadata “““ I.e. the root node document is missing. If you were to enhance ePub facilities (how much must I pay you?), it would be nice to see the data that you put in „metavariables“ (title, author) also in the generated OPF, NCX and cover files, and the main language in OPF. My script also creates a cover image from the first page of the content PDF as well as converts and copies all the included images, but your usual reasoning that everyone has other needs is of course true. I resolved to generate content, cover, NCX and OPF from export.xml via XSLT, i.e. throw away most of what the epub script does. But the structure of registers (that I abuse for a sorted ToC) is hard to parse, because there’s no structure that links register text and page number, e.g.: register detail=index registersection!-- probably „A“ -- registerentries registerentryA Elbereth Gilthoniel/registerentry registerpagesbreak/ registerpagelink destination=internal(105) location=aut:10547/link/registerpage/registerpages registerentryAbitur/registerentry registerpagesbreak/ registerpagelink destination=internal(87) location=aut:8738/link/registerpage/registerpages registerentryAgradini/registerentry registerpagesbreak/ registerpagelink destination=internal(32) location=aut:3216/link/registerpage/registerpages registerentryAmselchen/registerentry registerpagesbreak/ registerpagelink destination=internal(136) location=aut:13666/link/registerpage/registerpages My XSL for NCX looks like: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ? xsl:stylesheet version= 2.0 xmlns:xsl=http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform; xsl:output method=xml encoding=utf-8 indent=yes / xsl:template match=/ !-- !DOCTYPE ncx PUBLIC -//NISO//DTD ncx 2005-1//EN http://www.daisy.org/z3986/2005/ncx-2005-1.dtd; -- ncx xmlns=http://www.daisy.org/z3986/2005/ncx/; version=2005-1 head meta name=dtb:uid content=BookId / meta name=dtb:depth content=1 / meta name=dtb:totalPgeCount xsl:attribute name=content xsl:value-of select='count(section[@detail=Titel])' / /xsl:attribute /meta meta name=dtb:maxPageNumber xsl:attribute name=content xsl:value-of select='count(section[@detail=Titel])' / /xsl:attribute /meta /head docTitle textxsl:value-of select='//metavariable[@name=title]'//text /docTitle docAuthor textxsl:value-of select='//metavariable[@name=author]'//text /docAuthor navMap navPoint id=aut_1 playOrder=1 navLabel textStart/text /navLabel content src=content.xhtml/ /navPoint xsl:for-each select=//registerentry navPoint xsl:attribute name=id xsl:value-of select='translate((following-sibling::registerpages/registerpage/link/@location)[1], :, _)'/ /xsl:attribute xsl:attribute name=playOrder xsl:value-of select=2 + count(preceding-sibling::registerentry) / /xsl:attribute navLabel textxsl:apply-templates//text /navLabel content xsl:attribute
Re: [NTG-context] E-books and XML.
On 8/27/2014 9:02 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Am 2014-08-26 um 23:29 schrieb Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: On 8/26/2014 7:08 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: Creating ePub from ConTeXt is still tedious - you need to tag everything (even paragraphs) with \start/\stop, the resulting export.xml is still missing a root node if you use project structure (components), and you need to tinker a lot with the results, since even available information like title is not written to the relevant ePub files. rootnode .. in what sense? Sorry Hans, I complained about that several times already: If I have a project structure, i.e. a product with components, export.xml starts like “““ ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 standalone=yes ? !-- input filename : prd_hraban-- !-- processing date : Tue Aug 26 12:55:41 2014 -- !-- context version : 2014.08.19 11:57 -- !-- exporter version : 0.31 -- division detail=frontpart metadata “““ And since there are several divisions or other top nodes, Saxon rejects the file because it’s missing a root node. metadata is always put into the first node of the file (that should be the root node). Only with a single TeX file, I get something like “““ ?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8' standalone='yes' ? !-- input filename : solo -- !-- processing date : Wed Mar 12 11:06:58 2014 -- !-- context version : 2014.03.07 11:42 -- !-- exporter version : 0.30 -- document language=en file=solo date=Wed Mar 12 11:06:58 2014 context=2014.03.07 11:42 version=0.30 xmlns:m=http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML; metadata “““ I.e. the root node document is missing. hm, can you make a small example? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] ANNOUNCEMENT: Arabic-Latin Modern Fixed
[This announcement is dedicated to the 110% recovery and return of our visionary and fearless leader Hans Hagen: Three cheers to you, Hans!!!] Dear gang, It's my pleasure to announce the release of Arabic-Latin Modern Fixed, a monospaced font that extends TeX-Gyre Latin Modern Mono 10 Regular. It has been uploaded to CTAN, although I do not know how long it will take for the CTAN people to approve and publish it. Eventually it will make it's way into the ConTeXt minimals as well. Until then, you may use this private link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pulgaxshzr5bcmy/almfixed.zip README.txt is reproduced below. Future plans include both bold and proportional versions. Enjoy and Best wishes Idris -- Idris Samawi Hamid Professor of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ==README.txt== Typeface Family: Arabic-Latin Modern Font: Arabic-Latin Modern Fixed Style: Regular Version: 0.92 Author: Idris Samawi Hamid Date: August 5, 2014 License: Arabic-Latin Modern Fixed is licensed under the GUST Font License with one important adjustment: It is requested, as well as legally *required*, that derived works be distributed only after changing the names of the fonts comprising this work. http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/licenses/GUST-FONT-LICENSE.txt/view Contains: http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/doc/almfixed-dtk.pdf http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/ps; http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/tt; Some notes, in no particular order: 1. For more extensive documentation, examples, and background; see almfixed-dtk.pdf. 2. The final version number (per any future fixes, maintenance etc.) is intended to be Version 1.10. 3. Arabic-Latin Modern Fixed is an extension of TeX-Gyre Latin Modern Mono 10 Regular. Every glyph and opentype feature of the Latin Modern Mono has been retained, with minor improvements. On the other hand, we have changed the vertical metrics of the font. Although the Arabic script is designed to use the same x-size as Latin Modern Mono, the former script needs greater ascender and descender space. And there are cases (such as certain kinds of academic assignment and definitely mixed Latin and Arabic text) where Latin can use the extra vertical space as well. Otherwise, only the vertical metrics prevents this from being a drop-in replacement for Latin Modern Mono . Of course one can always set the vertical metrics in TeX to match LM Mono. 4. Every Arabic glyph in each Unicode-code block is supported (up to Unicode 7.0): Arabic, Arabic Supplement, Arabic Extended, Arabic Presentation-Forms A, and Arabic Presentation-Forms B. 5. This is a totally original design, using the Knuthian letters as inspiration. Indeed, virtually all Arabic characters were developed on the foundation of a study of the Latin Modern Mono letters 'l', 'r', and 'c'. In other words, this is a genuine extension of the original Knuthian design to an authentic and culturally authentic Arabic typing font. 6. There are two versions of the font: ps and tt. The Type~1 version is for print applications (and usually the default for TeX). The TrueType version is for on-screen applications such as text editors. Hinting in the tt version is much better for on-screen, at least on Microsoft Windows. 7. The most unique feature of Arabic-Latin Modern is in its treatment of vowels and diacritics. Each vowel and diacritic (ALM Fixed contains a total of 68 such glyphs) can now be edited horizontally within any text editor or processor. I believe this is the very first opentype Arabic font ever to have this capability. Editing complex Arabic texts will now be much easier to input and to proofread. 8. At least 12 additional format characters are included; see almfixed-dtk.pdf for details. Also designed a glyph representation for U+00A0 (no-break space), as well as U+25CC (dotted circle). 9. Arabic-Latin Modern Mono will be a boon to scholars, academics, coder editors, and anyone who wants to manage the entry of the wide array of Unicode Arabic text for editing, verbatim, or other purposes. == ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Date format problems
Hi all,
I started using ConteXt a while ago, on the side line I still use LaTeX
(old habits die hard). When converting my CV to ConTeXt I have a weird
date problem. I hope one of you can point me in the right direction. I
copy the start of the document from vi (line 4 is the relevant line):
\setuppapersize[A4]
2 \setuplayout[style=\ss]
3 %\setupfooter[style=]
4 \setuplanguage[nl][date={dd, -, mm, -, year}]
5
6 \setupheadertexts[CV Guus Bonnema]
7 \setupfootertexts[\currentdate][pagenumber]
8
9 %\definebodyfont[10pt][ss][tfe=lbr at 105pt]
10
Line 4 is the relevant line here.
What I expect to see in the footer is a date like either 29-07-2014 or
29 july 2014, but what I get is July 29, 2014.
Also the log seems to indicate language en. What can I do to get the
dutch date format?
Regards, Guus Bonnema.
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Re: [NTG-context] Date format problems
Am 29.07.2014 10:02, schrieb A.J. Bonnema:
I started using ConteXt a while ago, on the side line I still use LaTeX
(old habits die hard). When converting my CV to ConTeXt I have a weird
date problem. I hope one of you can point me in the right direction. I
copy the start of the document from vi (line 4 is the relevant line):
\setuppapersize[A4]
2 \setuplayout[style=\ss]
3 %\setupfooter[style=]
4 \setuplanguage[nl][date={dd, -, mm, -, year}]
\mainlanguage[nl]
Herbert
5
6 \setupheadertexts[CV Guus Bonnema]
7 \setupfootertexts[\currentdate][pagenumber]
8
9 %\definebodyfont[10pt][ss][tfe=lbr at 105pt]
10
Line 4 is the relevant line here.
What I expect to see in the footer is a date like either 29-07-2014 or
29 july 2014, but what I get is July 29, 2014.
Also the log seems to indicate language en. What can I do to get the
dutch date format?
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Re: [NTG-context] Date format problems
On 07/29/2014 11:14 AM, Herbert Voss wrote:
Am 29.07.2014 10:02, schrieb A.J. Bonnema:
I started using ConteXt a while ago, on the side line I still use LaTeX
(old habits die hard). When converting my CV to ConTeXt I have a weird
date problem. I hope one of you can point me in the right direction. I
copy the start of the document from vi (line 4 is the relevant line):
\setuppapersize[A4]
2 \setuplayout[style=\ss]
3 %\setupfooter[style=]
4 \setuplanguage[nl][date={dd, -, mm, -, year}]
\mainlanguage[nl]
Herbert
Thanks Herbert. I editted the wiki page of Command/date to add a remark
on this connection. Please check for accuracy.
Guus.
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Re: [NTG-context] [luatex] Problem with luaotfload and positioning of primes
···date: 2014-07-29, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 7/29/2014 7:01 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Thanks for the quick fix! You were just lucky that I saw it pop up as incoming mail message (which I somehow cannot turn off) because normally all mails directed a the luatex list is filtered away to its own bin as it seldom relates to context. True. Though I put the Context list in the Cc as soon as I was certain the bug originates in the fontloader. Best, Philipp pgp1qczsYghi1.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [luatex] Problem with luaotfload and positioning of primes
On 7/29/2014 7:18 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2014-07-29, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 7/29/2014 7:01 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Thanks for the quick fix! You were just lucky that I saw it pop up as incoming mail message (which I somehow cannot turn off) because normally all mails directed a the luatex list is filtered away to its own bin as it seldom relates to context. True. Though I put the Context list in the Cc as soon as I was certain the bug originates in the fontloader. swap to and cc then (the filter works on to -) Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [luatex] Problem with luaotfload and positioning of primes
···date: 2014-07-29, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 7/29/2014 7:18 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2014-07-29, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 7/29/2014 7:01 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Thanks for the quick fix! You were just lucky that I saw it pop up as incoming mail message (which I somehow cannot turn off) because normally all mails directed a the luatex list is filtered away to its own bin as it seldom relates to context. True. Though I put the Context list in the Cc as soon as I was certain the bug originates in the fontloader. swap to and cc then (the filter works on to -) Noted! pgprVAfCFWxxu.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [luatex] Problem with luaotfload and positioning of primes
(CC’ing the Context list.) ···date: 2014-07-28, Monday···from: Jura Pintar··· Do you have a prediction about how long it will take before a fix is released? No, sorry. What I do have though is the culprit: c70b2e466bbb07e976f8684d56ae4e5398169e7d is the first bad commit commit c70b2e466bbb07e976f8684d56ae4e5398169e7d Author: Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl Date: Sat Mar 22 15:31:00 2014 +0100 beta 2014.03.22 15:31 ... See the commit diff [0]. @Hans: Here is a minimal example for Luatex-Plain: https://bitbucket.org/phg/lua-la-tex-tests/src/8d48db1435bbd70888381a6cacd2281688d0d0b6/pln-math-1-prime.tex With the last good commit (244a447.. dated 2014.02.14 in the Garden repo) both primes are typeset correctly. With c70b2e46.. -- which is unfortunately the first snapshot after Marious’ mirror went dark -- the second one doesn’t take the ssty feature into account. Best regards, Philipp [0] https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/c70b2e466bbb07e976f8684d56ae4e5398169e7d pgpm3ETHz6muk.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [luatex] Problem with luaotfload and positioning of primes
···date: 2014-07-28, Monday···from: Philipp Gesang··· (CC’ing the Context list.) ···date: 2014-07-28, Monday···from: Jura Pintar··· Do you have a prediction about how long it will take before a fix is released? No, sorry. What I do have though is the culprit: c70b2e466bbb07e976f8684d56ae4e5398169e7d is the first bad commit Seems to be related to the feature precedence code. If I revert the related changes as in the attached patch, the bug vanishes (and so does te feature ordering …). diff --git a/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua b/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua index 293a319..719a1f7 100644 --- a/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua +++ b/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua @@ -9152,34 +9152,26 @@ local function featuresinitializer(tfmdata,value) local language=properties.language local basesubstitutions=rawdata.resources.features.gsub local basepositionings=rawdata.resources.features.gpos - if basesubstitutions or basepositionings then -local sequences=tfmdata.resources.sequences -for s=1,#sequences do - local sequence=sequences[s] - local sfeatures=sequence.features - if sfeatures then -local order=sequence.order -if order then - for i=1,#order do -local feature=order[i] -if features[feature] then - local validlookups,lookuplist=collectlookups(rawdata,feature,script,language) - if not validlookups then - elseif basesubstitutions and basesubstitutions[feature] then -if trace_preparing then - report_prepare(filtering base feature %a for %a,feature,fullname) -end -applybasemethod(preparesubstitutions,tfmdata,feature,value,validlookups,lookuplist) -registerbasefeature(feature,value) - elseif basepositionings and basepositionings[feature] then -if trace_preparing then - report_prepare(filtering base feature %a for %a,feature,fullname) -end -applybasemethod(preparepositionings,tfmdata,feature,features[feature],validlookups,lookuplist) -registerbasefeature(feature,value) - end -end - end + if basesubstitutions then +for feature,data in next,basesubstitutions do + local value=features[feature] + if value then +local validlookups,lookuplist=collectlookups(rawdata,feature,script,language) +if validlookups then + applybasemethod(preparesubstitutions,tfmdata,feature,value,validlookups,lookuplist) + registerbasefeature(feature,value) +end + end +end + end + if basepositionings then +for feature,data in next,basepositionings do + local value=features[feature] + if value then +local validlookups,lookuplist=collectlookups(rawdata,feature,script,language) +if validlookups then + applybasemethod(preparepositionings,tfmdata,feature,features[feature],validlookups,lookuplist) + registerbasefeature(feature,value) end end end pgpcELknSqgor.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [luatex] Problem with luaotfload and positioning of primes
Good morning, Hans! Thanks for the quick fix! Best, Philipp ···date: 2014-07-28, Monday···from: Philipp Gesang··· ···date: 2014-07-28, Monday···from: Philipp Gesang··· (CC’ing the Context list.) ···date: 2014-07-28, Monday···from: Jura Pintar··· Do you have a prediction about how long it will take before a fix is released? No, sorry. What I do have though is the culprit: c70b2e466bbb07e976f8684d56ae4e5398169e7d is the first bad commit Seems to be related to the feature precedence code. If I revert the related changes as in the attached patch, the bug vanishes (and so does te feature ordering …). diff --git a/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua b/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua index 293a319..719a1f7 100644 --- a/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua +++ b/src/luaotfload-fontloader.lua @@ -9152,34 +9152,26 @@ local function featuresinitializer(tfmdata,value) local language=properties.language local basesubstitutions=rawdata.resources.features.gsub local basepositionings=rawdata.resources.features.gpos - if basesubstitutions or basepositionings then -local sequences=tfmdata.resources.sequences -for s=1,#sequences do - local sequence=sequences[s] - local sfeatures=sequence.features - if sfeatures then -local order=sequence.order -if order then - for i=1,#order do -local feature=order[i] -if features[feature] then - local validlookups,lookuplist=collectlookups(rawdata,feature,script,language) - if not validlookups then - elseif basesubstitutions and basesubstitutions[feature] then -if trace_preparing then - report_prepare(filtering base feature %a for %a,feature,fullname) -end - applybasemethod(preparesubstitutions,tfmdata,feature,value,validlookups,lookuplist) -registerbasefeature(feature,value) - elseif basepositionings and basepositionings[feature] then -if trace_preparing then - report_prepare(filtering base feature %a for %a,feature,fullname) -end - applybasemethod(preparepositionings,tfmdata,feature,features[feature],validlookups,lookuplist) -registerbasefeature(feature,value) - end -end - end + if basesubstitutions then +for feature,data in next,basesubstitutions do + local value=features[feature] + if value then +local validlookups,lookuplist=collectlookups(rawdata,feature,script,language) +if validlookups then + applybasemethod(preparesubstitutions,tfmdata,feature,value,validlookups,lookuplist) + registerbasefeature(feature,value) +end + end +end + end + if basepositionings then +for feature,data in next,basepositionings do + local value=features[feature] + if value then +local validlookups,lookuplist=collectlookups(rawdata,feature,script,language) +if validlookups then + applybasemethod(preparepositionings,tfmdata,feature,features[feature],validlookups,lookuplist) + registerbasefeature(feature,value) end end end ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ pgpWdobr_Ztis.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] setups
On 7/14/2014 8:49 PM, Herbert Voss wrote:
Do I get the up-to-date setups of commands when running for example:
\starttext
\usemodule[set-11] \loadsetups
\setup{setupfillinrules}
\stoptext
hopefully ... if you notice missing key/values just let us oknow an dwe
will adapt the cont-en.xml file
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 15 Jul 2014, at 16:42, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: ConTeXt comes with full source code, so users can easily study the source code. This is crazy. Sorry, you can’t expect users to be able to do that. Lamport created LaTeX *and* wrote the “LaTeX User’s Guide and Reference manual”. The authors mentioned below were all developers too. You need that level of understanding to write a manual. The project could easily employ two people to work full time just to keep up with the pace of development (once they would catch up). I would expect it to be far less than that once you have the documentation. What a project needs is discipline. If the ConTeXt stays a tinkered-tool-in-flux (because that is how Hans needs it for his own work), a decent manual will never arrive unless there is the discipline that any new functionality is documented (“user manual reference”) in full before proceeding to the next development. On 16 Jul 2014, at 00:26, David Wooten d...@trichotomic.net wrote: It’s suspect to take umbrage on another’s behalf, but “tinkering researchers may not be inclined to do that, they want to tinker” — It’s absurd to suggest that Hans co. are “tinkering” for the sake of tinkering. I never suggested that. Hans Co tinker because they want to make progress and develop functionality they need. But because the project is in constant flux, even if you would have time (money) to fund documentation, the documentation would be out-of-date soon. I would immediately buy any book that explains ConTeXt such as the books that are there for LaTeX. But then, LaTeX is moribund and doesn’t change at all. An easier target. Hans Taco: how much money would need to be raised to produce something of the quality of Kopka Daly’s “Guide to LaTeX”? or Goossens, Mittelbach Samarin’s “The LaTeX Companion”? Because, I don’t think this will happen unless some money is raised to pay for it. I would gladly donate in a crowdfunding initiative for a good book. But how much is needed to make it happen? G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 20 Jul 2014, at 22:24, Mojca Miklavec mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote: Sorry, you can’t expect users to be able to do that. Lamport created LaTeX *and* wrote the “LaTeX User’s Guide and Reference manual”. teasing Indeed. Sorry, you can't do that to users. Christian Schenk also created MikTeX (I still have MikTeX files from 23 years ago) *and* is still developing it actively and answering emails from users. /teasing The authors mentioned below were all developers too. You need that level of understanding to write a manual. What kind of developers? Did they contribute to the LaTeX core? (Many ConTeXt users are developers, but it highly depends what you count as a developer.) Some contributed packages, some other stuff (even printer drivers). They all were deeply involved with the inside of TeX and LaTeX at a level that they would have to understand TeX and LaTeX to the core as they were developers in that environment Hans Taco: how much money would need to be raised to produce something of the quality of Kopka Daly’s “Guide to LaTeX”? or Goossens, Mittelbach Samarin’s “The LaTeX Companion”? What do you mean with of the quality of these books? Having a similar number of pages written in comparable quality (something like a revised beginner's manual) or so complete in description of the functionality as the mentioned manuals? I agree these are now outdated in several areas and less useful as they were half a decade ago. But something that is complete enough for a user (not a TeXnician), doesn’t contain too many white spots and certainly does not contain stuff that isn’t true anymore. My estimate would be that a complete context reference with well-described options and including trivial examples would require cca. 10.000-50.000 pages. Maybe others have different estimates, but now do the math. (Existing manuals like MetaFun or the old cont-en.pdf are roughly 400 pages. But that's nowhere near 10 % of the ConTeXt functionality. One would need to document the whole TeX part, the whole metapost part, the whole lua part, the whole xml, all perl, ruby and lua scripts, write better man pages, probably list the whole Unicode to show the ConTeXt names in one appendix …) If a tool needs 50.000 pages to document its use, you are in trouble (in more ways than one). I think in reality a set of manuals, with core functionality and all kinds of extras a manual of 500 pages and maybe a reference manual of the same size would be something useful and thus meaningful. Stuff like MetaFun can have its own manual and doesn’t need to be in a core ConTeXt manual. A user manual is enough. You don’t need a developer manual. So, documenting all the development you can do with ConTeXt (programming in lua and whatnot) would for me not be what is needed for a user manual. What a user manual does is what cont-en.pdf does, but then up to date and complete. G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
Am 2014-07-21 um 03:07 schrieb Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl: My estimate would be that a complete context reference with well-described options and including trivial examples would require cca. 10.000-50.000 pages. Maybe others have different estimates, but now do the math. (Existing manuals like MetaFun or the old cont-en.pdf are roughly 400 pages. But that's nowhere near 10 % of the ConTeXt functionality. One would need to document the whole TeX part, the whole metapost part, the whole lua part, the whole xml, all perl, ruby and lua scripts, write better man pages, probably list the whole Unicode to show the ConTeXt names in one appendix …) If a tool needs 50.000 pages to document its use, you are in trouble (in more ways than one). I think in reality a set of manuals, with core functionality and all kinds of extras a manual of 500 pages and maybe a reference manual of the same size would be something useful and thus meaningful. Stuff like MetaFun can have its own manual and doesn’t need to be in a core ConTeXt manual. A user manual is enough. You don’t need a developer manual. So, documenting all the development you can do with ConTeXt (programming in lua and whatnot) would for me not be what is needed for a user manual. What a user manual does is what cont-en.pdf does, but then up to date and complete. If I might chime in … What we really need (and what „simple“ users like me cannot write, even if I sometimes look into the sources) is a usable command reference, covering all „usable“ commands and all their „usable“ options (i.e. omit too experimental stuff). What we have on the wiki now is much too incomplete in all regards. I don’t know if there’s something (more?) that can be automated. I don’t know if Hans, Taco or Wolfgang (any other candidates?) would be able and willing to do that work, if e.g. DANTE would fund it. Would you, and what do you think how much funding would be required to at least document the current state of MkIV? I would not try to write a (printed/printable) reference manual for ConTeXt, that really makes not much sense. We don’t need to argue about page estimates, that depends too much on layout anyway … I thought the previous ConTeXt meeting was about documentation? Didn’t you agree on a better wiki structure? Greetlings, Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
On 7/16/2014 2:20 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Thanks Hans, I am really sorry but I still do not get any entry printed (I followed your explanation as well as p. 25 of mkiv-publications.pdf) \usebtxdataset[example][./mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering[dataset=example,method=dataset] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] some text \placebtxrendering[example] \stoptext Could you just give a minimal example? And, if possible, a way to sort by date... Once again, my apologies for taking your time with that. Best, F. On 16 July 2014 04:31, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/15/2014 12:39 PM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Hi everyone, I really have difficulties with the bibliograpy system. Sorry about that. I would like to print the whole bibliography so I followed mkiv-publications.pdf and ended up with the file: \usebtxdataset[example][./__mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example, method=local, alternative=apa] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] \placebtxrendering [example] [criterium=all] \stoptext I get the list but not the bibliography itself. What is wrong with my file? Is there also a way to sort the entries by date? The criterium is used for cited entries, and text/all then means for the whole document. In your case you wan the data set (no refs in the text): \placebtxrendering [example] [method=dataset] This axis is one of the new things as using criterium for that is messy. \usebtxdataset [example] [t:/manuals/publications-mkiv/mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] some text \placebtxrendering[example][method=dataset] \stoptext - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
Great! Thanks a lot! And concerning sorting by date? On 16 July 2014 15:33, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/16/2014 2:20 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Thanks Hans, I am really sorry but I still do not get any entry printed (I followed your explanation as well as p. 25 of mkiv-publications.pdf) \usebtxdataset[example][./mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering[dataset=example,method=dataset] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] some text \placebtxrendering[example] \stoptext Could you just give a minimal example? And, if possible, a way to sort by date... Once again, my apologies for taking your time with that. Best, F. On 16 July 2014 04:31, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/15/2014 12:39 PM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Hi everyone, I really have difficulties with the bibliograpy system. Sorry about that. I would like to print the whole bibliography so I followed mkiv-publications.pdf and ended up with the file: \usebtxdataset[example][./__mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example, method=local, alternative=apa] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] \placebtxrendering [example] [criterium=all] \stoptext I get the list but not the bibliography itself. What is wrong with my file? Is there also a way to sort the entries by date? The criterium is used for cited entries, and text/all then means for the whole document. In your case you wan the data set (no refs in the text): \placebtxrendering [example] [method=dataset] This axis is one of the new things as using criterium for that is messy. \usebtxdataset [example] [t:/manuals/publications-mkiv/mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] some text \placebtxrendering[example][method=dataset] \stoptext - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Great! Thanks a lot! And concerning sorting by date? sorttype=author sorts by author,year,journal,title,page so what do you mean with 'by year' Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
The sort by author is perfect. Thanks, F. On 16 Jul 2014 17:16, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Great! Thanks a lot! And concerning sorting by date? sorttype=author sorts by author,year,journal,title,page so what do you mean with 'by year' Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
On 7/16/2014 11:31 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: The sort by author is perfect. fyi, sorting authors is kind of complex as we need to take all name elements into account (initials, firstnames, surnames, vons, juniors); of course there can be multiple authors; add to the extra axes year journal, title and page the torture test is a list with 400K author specifications (taken from a bunch of bib databases) which eventually produces a 5500 page document in practice, certainly when we have smaller databases, load time can be neglected (here it is .4 sec luatex vs .3 sec luajittex); sort preparation and processing of that bunch takes 35 sec for luatex and 19 sec for luajittex but of course for normal cases you won't even noticed it .. bib databases with 400K entries are probably not used often (i have no clue if bibtex can handle these numbers) Thanks, F. On 16 Jul 2014 17:16, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Great! Thanks a lot! And concerning sorting by date? sorttype=author sorts by author,year,journal,title,page so what do you mean with 'by year' Hans --__--__- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com http://www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl http://www.pragma-pod.nl --__--__- ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/__listinfo/ntg-context http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/__projects/contextrev/ http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
I agree that it would be awesome if there was complete documentation available + maybe three manuals/tutorials from beginner to master, but you cannot expect it from Hans to do all the work on his own. Mojca I think that part of the work has to be done by other volunteers (users), who have enough experience to write in good style user documentation. That kind of work does not depend on Hans or Taco alone. I think their important task is to have the technical documentation up-to-date and/or provide well enough information about the changes in releases, that others can write good user-documentation. First priority I guess would be to have the contextgarden Wiki up-to-date: many commands and/or parameters are not touched there. There are many outdate pages (with broken links, etc.), and definatately I would guess a better split is needed between MkII and MkIV wherever applicable. If time and experience-level allows me, I would like to start working on that kind of things. Someday I would also like to write a user-manual for Context novices (and ppl. new to Tex in general). But first I need to sort out some things myself, esp. about the whole font-mechanism, and how Context handles it. And as of yet I have no clue on what is what in the Context/Tex tree and where to find all the sources. Keeps me busy some time... Greetings, Rob PS. And also material on 'good typography' would come in handy as weblinks and in Context user-manuals. Yesterday, I read this online typography manual, which contains some usefull tips about Typography. See: http://practicaltypography.com/index.html#toc I see that he also uses protrusion in the left-margin for quotations (when you start a sentence on a new line with a quotation), something which Context atm. does not do, only in the right margin, but the result is good. Definately some feature request. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
Hans,
Sorting simply by year (or, rather, year then author then title ...)
could be useful. Take, for example, a pluriannual report having many
references. One might wish to display a list of publications by year.
Should this be selected using sorttype=year?
Another possible syntax could be
sorttype={author,year,title,page}
and this would be the default for APA.
Of course, the other common sorting is sorttype=cite.
Furthermore,
sorttype={year,author,title,page}
would be another variant, and I can even imagine using:
sorttype={journal,volume,number,page}
or
sorttype={publisher,year,title}
and I am sure that users may need something totally unanticipated.
The change from the present is that sortype=author implies
{author,year,title,page}. I suppose that it could default to this order
if no other order is specified. Just like sorttype=year could default
to something sane like {year,author,title,page} unless a different
order is explicitly given, etc.
A subtlety is how to handle missing fields, say in a mixture of
articles and books where articles have journal titles (journal) and
article titles (title) and books have book titles (title). Should
missing journal fields (books) come before or after articles or should
title then be taken into account, as in {journal|title}? Do we need to
allow such logic?
We can continue to discuss this with Thomas and Luigi but I mention it
here on the mailing list as Flavien Lambert brought up the question.
Alan
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:52:15 +0200
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 7/16/2014 11:31 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote:
The sort by author is perfect.
fyi, sorting authors is kind of complex as we need to take all name
elements into account (initials, firstnames, surnames, vons,
juniors); of course there can be multiple authors; add to the extra
axes year journal, title and page
the torture test is a list with 400K author specifications (taken
from a bunch of bib databases) which eventually produces a 5500 page
document
in practice, certainly when we have smaller databases, load time can
be neglected (here it is .4 sec luatex vs .3 sec luajittex); sort
preparation and processing of that bunch takes 35 sec for luatex and
19 sec for luajittex but of course for normal cases you won't even
noticed it .. bib databases with 400K entries are probably not used
often
(i have no clue if bibtex can handle these numbers)
Thanks,
F.
On 16 Jul 2014 17:16, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl
mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote:
Great! Thanks a lot!
And concerning sorting by date?
sorttype=author
sorts by author,year,journal,title,page
so what do you mean with 'by year'
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
Hello,
This is more a 'side-comment', but anytime I see an application that wants
in fact to query data from some dataresource, I ask myself: why is that
not implemented as a real relational database?
BibTex is some weird implementation for a problem that in facts requests a
real relational dababase approach, in which your data does not reside in a
file, but a couple of tables. Like PUBLISHER (the organisation that
publishes the article/book/journal, etc.), PUBLICATION, EDITION,
AUTHOR/CONTRIBUTOR (a person making a contribution to a PUBLICATION, like
author, co-author, editor) etc.
For example: every author that has contributed to a publication (or
edition thereof) has only one record in the AUTHOR table, and for each
contribution to a PUBLICATION/EDITION there is a record in the
CONTRIBUTION table, with the foreign keys to the primary key of
AUTHOR/CONTRIBUTOR and to the PUBLICATION/EDITION table.
A data-model for such must exist in the real-world, somewhere, I guess.
But Tex and other implementors have choosen to implement this in a simple
flat-file system, and which I think is part of the problem, because the
implemenation as flat file has certain limits. Esp. when more demanding
features are requested.
Still thinking that ultimately that would be the best way to implement
BibTex, using a relational database as repository instead of flat files.
And you could implement many other 'nice' featueres, like querying other
works related to the works you want to cite (for instance at the basis of
relevant key/reference words or other).
Would be do-able I guess (LuaTex can access dabatases), only problem is
you have to convert al these .bib files into the database format.
But don't know if anyone has thought about implementing Bibtex as a database.
Greetings,
Rob
Hans,
Sorting simply by year (or, rather, year then author then title ...)
could be useful. Take, for example, a pluriannual report having many
references. One might wish to display a list of publications by year.
Should this be selected using sorttype=year?
Another possible syntax could be
sorttype={author,year,title,page}
and this would be the default for APA.
Of course, the other common sorting is sorttype=cite.
Furthermore,
sorttype={year,author,title,page}
would be another variant, and I can even imagine using:
sorttype={journal,volume,number,page}
or
sorttype={publisher,year,title}
and I am sure that users may need something totally unanticipated.
The change from the present is that sortype=author implies
{author,year,title,page}. I suppose that it could default to this order
if no other order is specified. Just like sorttype=year could default
to something sane like {year,author,title,page} unless a different
order is explicitly given, etc.
A subtlety is how to handle missing fields, say in a mixture of
articles and books where articles have journal titles (journal) and
article titles (title) and books have book titles (title). Should
missing journal fields (books) come before or after articles or should
title then be taken into account, as in {journal|title}? Do we need to
allow such logic?
We can continue to discuss this with Thomas and Luigi but I mention it
here on the mailing list as Flavien Lambert brought up the question.
Alan
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:52:15 +0200
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 7/16/2014 11:31 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote:
The sort by author is perfect.
fyi, sorting authors is kind of complex as we need to take all name
elements into account (initials, firstnames, surnames, vons,
juniors); of course there can be multiple authors; add to the extra
axes year journal, title and page
the torture test is a list with 400K author specifications (taken
from a bunch of bib databases) which eventually produces a 5500 page
document
in practice, certainly when we have smaller databases, load time can
be neglected (here it is .4 sec luatex vs .3 sec luajittex); sort
preparation and processing of that bunch takes 35 sec for luatex and
19 sec for luajittex but of course for normal cases you won't even
noticed it .. bib databases with 400K entries are probably not used
often
(i have no clue if bibtex can handle these numbers)
Thanks,
F.
On 16 Jul 2014 17:16, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl
mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote:
On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote:
Great! Thanks a lot!
And concerning sorting by date?
sorttype=author
sorts by author,year,journal,title,page
so what do you mean with 'by year'
Hans
--
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CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC
CNRS URA 2464
Orme des Merisiers
91191 Gif-sur-Yvette cedex FRANCE
tel: +33 1 69 08 73 15
fax: +33 1 69 08 87 86
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Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Great! Thanks a lot! And concerning sorting by date? sorttype=author sorts by author,year,journal,title,page so what do you mean with 'by year' Hans -- Alan Braslau CEA DSM-IRAMIS-SPEC CNRS URA 2464 Orme des Merisiers 91191 Gif-sur-Yvette cedex FRANCE tel: +33 1 69 08 73 15 fax: +33 1 69 08 87 86 mailto:alan.bras...@cea.fr ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables, xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain than one big fat manual also, additional documentation is something that users need to participate in (just pick a topic) even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most development is done in spare time) so, patience is needed, I like ConTeXt (still do, I liked its approach when I first encountered it). But the project is more the ongoing private tinkering of a small in-crowd (that communicates with some followers). ConTeXt is managed a bit like a small group of researchers sharing a couple of complex and undocumented models/programs and tinkering with them as they go along. It’s an activity without formal design, but with a lot of trial-and-error/testing. Given that status (and the fact that it has had that status for over a decennium), I don’t expect it to ever become a serious product that is (semi-)professionally managed. I prefer content over management every day, but something like this needs some minimal management. That requires both time (=money) and capabilities. Besides, the tinkering researchers may not be inclined to do that, they want to tinker. BTW, you can’t be serious asking the users to provide the documentation, can you? G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
Hi everyone, I really have difficulties with the bibliograpy system. Sorry about that. I would like to print the whole bibliography so I followed mkiv-publications.pdf and ended up with the file: \usebtxdataset[example][./mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example, method=local, alternative=apa] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] \placebtxrendering [example] [criterium=all] \stoptext I get the list but not the bibliography itself. What is wrong with my file? Is there also a way to sort the entries by date? Best, F. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables, xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain than one big fat manual also, additional documentation is something that users need to participate in (just pick a topic) even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most development is done in spare time) so, patience is needed, I like ConTeXt (still do, I liked its approach when I first encountered it). But the project is more the ongoing private tinkering of a small in-crowd (that communicates with some followers). ConTeXt is managed a bit like a small group of researchers sharing a couple of complex and undocumented models/programs and tinkering with them as they go along. It’s an activity without formal design, but with a lot of trial-and-error/testing. Given that status (and the fact that it has had that status for over a *decennium*), I don’t expect it to ever become a serious product that is (semi-)professionally managed. I prefer content over management every day, but something like this needs some minimal management. That requires both time (=money) and capabilities. Besides, the tinkering researchers may not be inclined to do that, they want to tinker. BTW, you can’t be serious asking the *users* to provide the documentation, can you? These are still good Fonts in ConTeXt Layouts in ConTeXt MetaFun manual MKII - MKIV, the history of LuaTeX http://www.h2o-books.com/catalog/5 -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
As I wrote in another thread, the state of the docs worries me too. I take it that the suggestion to study the source was not serious, and perhaps it is indeed a matter of priorities. As a new user I have a strong opinion that the documentation should be a higher priority than it seems to be. All the arguments about how many person-hours it would take and the huge task it is, in my eyes, only furthers the point that it is not considered as important as doing real development. I consider the docs a core part of the project, and the code another part, hence the disagreement in regards to the priorities. Pro-bono or not is not an issue, since time is spent on the project in some form. Writing features that few people know about and are able to use is only half of the dev work. But I get it that documenting is a pain, and seemingly frivolous work. The separate manuals may have been good, but they look fragmented and there is no unified docs to go to when in doubt. And having one place to go is even easier to maintain than many. The wiki is a nice idea, but it needs much more rigour to function as real docs. Some suggestions. I'm assuming some form of wiki-like website that can be the contextgarden or (preferably) another official docs/wiki/wiki-like site. All the content of the manuals should be unified in this site. If a crowdsourcing/users-can-do-it approach is taken, a clear structure needs to be previously laid out, so that we know what blanks to fill. And even with collaboration/feedback, core people should do it. It is important that reviewing and check marking the new edits be done by some authoritative group, so that the community knows what to trust, what should work as documented so that we can report real issues. It is important to label the information as reviwed and up to date, and to which version it applies, mkii/mkiv If this structure is put on top of the context garden, some labeling is needed to distinguish the extra pages from the structural docs pages. There are many good examples out there of good docs structure and presentation. I'm willing to collaborate what I can with my limited knowledge and time, even if little while writing my master's thesis. Sorry to annoy with this again, YT 2014-07-15 11:55 GMT-03:00 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables, xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain than one big fat manual also, additional documentation is something that users need to participate in (just pick a topic) even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most development is done in spare time) so, patience is needed, I like ConTeXt (still do, I liked its approach when I first encountered it). But the project is more the ongoing private tinkering of a small in-crowd (that communicates with some followers). ConTeXt is managed a bit like a small group of researchers sharing a couple of complex and undocumented models/programs and tinkering with them as they go along. It’s an activity without formal design, but with a lot of trial-and-error/testing. Given that status (and the fact that it has had that status for over a *decennium*), I don’t expect it to ever become a serious product that is (semi-)professionally managed. I prefer content over management every day, but something like this needs some minimal management. That requires both time (=money) and capabilities. Besides, the tinkering researchers may not be inclined to do that, they want to tinker. BTW, you can’t be serious asking the *users* to provide the documentation, can you? These are still good Fonts in ConTeXt Layouts in ConTeXt MetaFun manual MKII - MKIV, the history of LuaTeX http://www.h2o-books.com/catalog/5 -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 7/15/2014 5:33 PM, Yuri Teixeira wrote: As I wrote in another thread, the state of the docs worries me too. I take it that the suggestion to study the source was not serious, and perhaps it is indeed a matter of priorities. As a new user I have a strong opinion that the documentation should be a higher priority than it seems to be. All the arguments about how many person-hours it would take and the huge task it is, in my eyes, only furthers the point that it is not considered as important as doing real development. I Well, without development (like luatex and mp and fonts and so) it would be a dead end anyway. Also, without some of the new things I could not use context myself in projects (and thereby put time in it). consider the docs a core part of the project, and the code another part, hence the disagreement in regards to the priorities. Pro-bono or not is not an issue, since time is spent on the project in some form. Writing features that few people know about and are able to use is only half of the dev work. Most mechanism that are new or renewed also come with pretty recent manuals (like xtables and new bibliography support); older code is mostly compatible with what old manuals describe (ok we could just bump the date to 2014 but why). For me that's the most I can so ... write in sync with development. (I simply run out of time otherwise.) But I get it that documenting is a pain, and seemingly frivolous work. The separate manuals may have been good, but they look fragmented and there is no unified docs to go to when in doubt. And having one place to go is even easier to maintain than many. The wiki is a nice idea, but it needs much more rigour to function as real docs. hm, I spend quite some time on writing code but also on documentations; did you read the xtable, xml, cld, fonts, metafun, etc manuals as well as mk, hybrid, allkind? It's up to others to translate that into something better. There are articles published (ok, in that case it helps to be a member if a user group, which helps keeping tex alive anyway). There are also examples in the test suite that can probably be turned into docu. Some suggestions. I'm assuming some form of wiki-like website that can be the contextgarden or (preferably) another official docs/wiki/wiki-like site. everyone can write documentation (and it also happens) ... we have the wiki etc to publish them .. and everyone can conrtibute to make the wiki better (and provide pointers to documentation) All the content of the manuals should be unified in this site. If a crowdsourcing/users-can-do-it approach is taken, a clear structure needs to be previously laid out, so that we know what blanks to fill. And even with collaboration/feedback, core people should do it. It is important that reviewing and check marking the new edits be done by some authoritative group, so that the community knows what to trust, what should work as documented so that we can report real issues. It is important to label the information as reviwed and up to date, and to which version it applies, mkii/mkiv If this structure is put on top of the context garden, some labeling is needed to distinguish the extra pages from the structural docs pages. the problem there is that it needs some users who dedicate time and so that for many years in order to keep consistency (btw, there are some real good sections on the wiki already) There are many good examples out there of good docs structure and presentation. I'm willing to collaborate what I can with my limited knowledge and time, even if little while writing my master's thesis. In that case, coordinate with Sietse. One of the things we want to (be) do(ne) is a split between mkii and mkiv on the wiki. Sorry to annoy with this again, No problem, as you also offer to help, YT 2014-07-15 11:55 GMT-03:00 luigi scarso luigi.sca...@gmail.com mailto:luigi.sca...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Gerben Wierda gerben.wie...@rna.nl mailto:gerben.wie...@rna.nl wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote: quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables, xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain than one big fat manual also, additional documentation is something that users need to participate in (just pick a topic) even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most development is done in spare time) so, patience is needed, I like ConTeXt (still do, I liked its approach when I first encountered it). But the project is more the ongoing private tinkering of a small in-crowd (that communicates with some followers). ConTeXt is managed a bit like a small group
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 7/15/2014 11:59 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: On 14 Jul 2014, at 19:29, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl mailto:pra...@wxs.nl wrote: quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables, xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain than one big fat manual also, additional documentation is something that users need to participate in (just pick a topic) even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most development is done in spare time) so, patience is needed, I like ConTeXt (still do, I liked its approach when I first encountered it). But the project is more the ongoing private tinkering of a small in-crowd (that communicates with some followers). ConTeXt is managed a bit like a small group of researchers sharing a couple of complex and undocumented models/programs and tinkering with them as they go along. It’s an activity without formal design, but with a lot of trial-and-error/testing. Given that status (and the fact that it has had that status for over a /decennium/), I don’t expect it to ever become a serious product that is (semi-)professionally managed. I prefer content over management every day, but something like this needs some minimal management. That requires both time (=money) and capabilities. Besides, the tinkering researchers may not be inclined to do that, they want to tinker. BTW, you can’t be serious asking the /users/ to provide the documentation, can you? Well, you need to keep this in mind: - we are using it ourselves (already for a long time) so we depend on it and so we keep it going - we spend most of our company time on development and support .. and we live with that - our roadmap does *not* include getting big (with open source as stepping stone), *not* messing with users by selling ourselves after a while, and *not* splitting between 'context for users' and 'context professional or enterprise', so everyone gets what we have (which also means that documentation will always be behind!) - we have no big projects that pay for development (from which we can then work on documentation) .. in fact, our projects are rather niche and special - we're quite satisfied with the users (they are demanding and creative) ... context never aimed at one-time-users Now, we don't ask users to provide documentation, but on the other hand, if you look at latex, lost of documentation starts at users. Maybe some day I find more time ... Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
On 7/15/2014 12:39 PM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Hi everyone, I really have difficulties with the bibliograpy system. Sorry about that. I would like to print the whole bibliography so I followed mkiv-publications.pdf and ended up with the file: \usebtxdataset[example][./mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example, method=local, alternative=apa] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] \placebtxrendering [example] [criterium=all] \stoptext I get the list but not the bibliography itself. What is wrong with my file? Is there also a way to sort the entries by date? The criterium is used for cited entries, and text/all then means for the whole document. In your case you wan the data set (no refs in the text): \placebtxrendering [example] [method=dataset] This axis is one of the new things as using criterium for that is messy. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all
Thanks Hans, I am really sorry but I still do not get any entry printed (I followed your explanation as well as p. 25 of mkiv-publications.pdf) \usebtxdataset[example][./mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering[dataset=example,method=dataset] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] some text \placebtxrendering[example] \stoptext Could you just give a minimal example? And, if possible, a way to sort by date... Once again, my apologies for taking your time with that. Best, F. On 16 July 2014 04:31, Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote: On 7/15/2014 12:39 PM, Flavien Lambert wrote: Hi everyone, I really have difficulties with the bibliograpy system. Sorry about that. I would like to print the whole bibliography so I followed mkiv-publications.pdf and ended up with the file: \usebtxdataset[example][./mkiv-publications.bib] \definebtxrendering [example] [dataset=example, method=local, alternative=apa] \starttext \showbtxdatasetfields[example] \placebtxrendering [example] [criterium=all] \stoptext I get the list but not the bibliography itself. What is wrong with my file? Is there also a way to sort the entries by date? The criterium is used for cited entries, and text/all then means for the whole document. In your case you wan the data set (no refs in the text): \placebtxrendering [example] [method=dataset] This axis is one of the new things as using criterium for that is messy. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] State of documentation of ConTeXt?
On 7/14/2014 3:03 PM, Rob Heusdens wrote: Hello G / all I started using ConText about a year ago. But as a novice to Context (and Tex in general) I can say is that this would be the first thing to work on, because currently it is a bit of a pain to start using ConText in any serious way, because there is a lack of up-to-date documentation. The mailing list here does make a good contribution to explaining things (I did not use it before, but while the Contextgarden was offline for a while last week, this was the only place for getting needed info) that the documentation and contextgarden wiki misses. But I think a regular user would want to have up-to-date documentation, and many examples worked out and a whole bunch of ready to use (well documented) templates/start documents for all kinds of use-cases. The contextgarden wiki often does not provide well enough information. There are commands with over 20 different parameters, and the most of them are not documented at all. So, a novice user can only use the commands in a trivial sense, but for advanced use the command provides, there is no documentation on how it is supposed to work. This is a pitty, because the ConText distribution really offers a lot of features one want for avanced typesetting jobs, but too often one wants to understand the behaviour of some command or use the advanced options which are provided, but can't because the documenation is too poor to make sense of it. To look in the source is not a a good replacement for that I guess (only for advanced users which co-develop ConText). Well at least the mailing list provides the answers one wants, but it would be far better I guess if such information would be up-to-date on contexgarden. Can we make this a feature request with HIGH priority? quite some sub-systems are described in their own manuals (fonts, tables, xml, ...) and these manuals are quite up to date (and easier to maintain than one big fat manual also, additional documentation is something that users need to participate in (just pick a topic) even if it has high priority, that doesn't mean that those involved have much free time left to do that next to their regular work (as usual most development is done in spare time) so, patience is needed, Hans Hello guys, I am restarting a book project I started a several years back. At that time I set up a copy of another project I am working on in ConTeXt, so with the products/environment/chapters structure, added Mac fonts to my setup, using texexec for compilation. Now that I am restarting, I am returning to ConTeXt. The first thing I did was go to contextgarden and look for updated documentation. What I found was the over 10-year old documentation (contextref.pdf) with green boxes stating things like “TODO: Add some text about recent developments, especially the split between mkii and mkiv”. Is there up-to-date and reasonably complete ConTeXt documentation these days? G ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] setups
Do I get the up-to-date setups of commands when running for example:
\starttext
\usemodule[set-11] \loadsetups
\setup{setupfillinrules}
\stoptext
Herbert
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[NTG-context] sections without numbering
Hello Werner! ···date: 2014-07-12, Saturday···from: Werner Hintze··· I can’t figure out how to change the chapter heading. More important: I have no idea where to find the needed information. What I want to see is for example: Kapitel: Blablabla Several unnumbered structures are predefined. \setuphead [subject] [before=Kapitel~] \starttext \startsubject [title=foo] \input knuth \stopsubject \stoptext If you wish for the styles of the label and the title to match, you’ll have to assign them manually: \definealternativestyle [subjectstyle] [\italic \tfd] \setuphead [subject] [ style=subjectstyle, before=\bgroup \subjectstyle Kapitel~\egroup, ] \starttext \startsubject [title=foo] \input knuth \stopsubject \stoptext The reason as to why this isn’t as easy as \setuplabeltext [chapter=Kapitel] \setuphead [chapter] [number=no] is that the section label is treated as part of the number. Consequently, Context exposes no option to typeset the label independently. However, it can be made work by passing an appropriate command that omits the number: \setuplabeltext [chapter=Kapitel] \setuphead [chapter] [deepnumbercommand=\gobbleoneargument] \starttext \startchapter [title=foo] \input knuth \stopchapter \stoptext Where can I find these informations? In the manual [0]. The \title and \subject structurals even made the second place on the “top ten” ladder of important commands (cf. section 1.10). The numberless versions also feature promintently on the wiki [1]. PS Next time you ask a new question, please open a new thread with an adequate subject to keep the list tidy. Best regards, Philipp [0] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_reference_manual [1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Titles#Default pgpAV8cO5Yz87.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] sections without numbering
···date: 2014-07-13, Sunday···from: Werner Hintze···
Anayway. Thanks for your response. In the meantime I found another
solution:
\starttext
\define[2]\MyChapter {#1.\,Kapitel: #2}
\setuphead [chapter] [command=\MyChapter, page=no]
Yes, that a valid solution as well.
Good luck!
Philipp
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Re: [NTG-context] running PlainTeX from beta
···date: 2014-07-11, Friday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 7/11/2014 7:06 PM, Meer, H. van der wrote: I have some plaintex code to run from the ConTeXt beta-distribution, because I didn't install the complete TeXp-distribution (and if possible prefer to keep it that way). I did not fare well with running texexec --make plain and mtxrun --script plain myfile.tex The first command does not give a sign of dumping the plain format somewhere, the second command complains I can't find the format file luatex-plain.fmt It looks if I am on the wrong track for using luatex with plain. Will someone please be so kind to turn me in the right direction? mtxrun --script plain --make While you’re at it, could you please report back whether this succeeds immediately or bombs out like so: Preloading the plain format: codes, registers, parameters, fonts, more fonts, ! Font \preloaded=manfnt not loadable: metric data not found or bad. to be read again \par Thanks! Philipp pgpoHvjgDYpLG.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] running PlainTeX from beta
On 7/11/2014 7:13 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2014-07-11, Friday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 7/11/2014 7:06 PM, Meer, H. van der wrote: I have some plaintex code to run from the ConTeXt beta-distribution, because I didn't install the complete TeXp-distribution (and if possible prefer to keep it that way). I did not fare well with running texexec --make plain and mtxrun --script plain myfile.tex The first command does not give a sign of dumping the plain format somewhere, the second command complains I can't find the format file luatex-plain.fmt It looks if I am on the wrong track for using luatex with plain. Will someone please be so kind to turn me in the right direction? mtxrun --script plain --make While you’re at it, could you please report back whether this succeeds immediately or bombs out like so: Preloading the plain format: codes, registers, parameters, fonts, more fonts, ! Font \preloaded=manfnt not loadable: metric data not found or bad. to be read again \par you can just hit return then ... for some reason manfnt is not in the distribution Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] documentation
On 7/7/2014 8:51 PM, Yuri Teixeira wrote: Hello, I'm sorry this probably is a dumb question but I'm really lost in my searches. I'm new to context/tex and have been learning/finding information in the wiki at the contextgarden.net http://contextgarden.net for the past couple of weeks. Some of information there don't seem up to date but nothing unusual in an unofficial wiki. For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net http://contextgarden.net has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some show it down (http://www..isitdownrightnow.com http://www.isitdownrightnow.com been one of the later). That got me wondering if there are easy official docs. I've seen the pdfs at pragma-ade.com http://pragma-ade.com but the most general ones I tried are from 1999 (ms-cb-en.pdf) and 2001 (cont-eni.pdf). Are these up to date with the current developments? I belive they are compatible but having seen examples of changes in the wiki I a little unsure. Furthermore, the parameter behavior description in the command reference seem a bit... dry. So here's my plea for a little bit more love for the documentation. In any way, thank you very much for an awesome language, I'm glad I researched thoroughly before jumping into latex. When mechanisms in context are extended, we try to remain downward compatible, at least in functionality. Therefore the old manuals are normally okay (no need to fake updates with newer dates.) There are however a few core mechanisms that are obsolete and/or changed and those are input encodings (now always utf) and fonts (now always unicode - or mapped to unicode - using features cf open type and more). In practice input encodings and fonts have always been complex: what input encoding to choose and what font encoding to use, then running into availability of fonts, differences per language, differences per user. A bit of installation nightmare and user support as soon as it became less standard. By the time that had become easier (tex gyre and lm project) the move to opentype was made so most of the documentation had become somewhat obsolete. So, when using old manuals, keep in mind that encodings, regimes and fonts are less hassle now and no special commands are needed to use and combine these properties. In addition some mechanisms were extended and improved in mkiv (sectioning and so) which means that there are additional ways to configure them. That leaves mechanisms that are completely redone. One example is bibliographies, but users who need them will have no real problems adapting and these come with new manuals. Stick to mkiv. It's the one where the action takes place. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] documentation
Thank you for the response. I'll keep this description in mind when looking up stuff and contribute what I can in the wiki (which is still down for me). YT 2014-07-08 4:57 GMT-03:00 Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl: On 7/7/2014 8:51 PM, Yuri Teixeira wrote: Hello, I'm sorry this probably is a dumb question but I'm really lost in my searches. I'm new to context/tex and have been learning/finding information in the wiki at the contextgarden.net http://contextgarden.net for the past couple of weeks. Some of information there don't seem up to date but nothing unusual in an unofficial wiki. For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net http://contextgarden.net has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some show it down (http://www..isitdownrightnow.com http://www.isitdownrightnow.com been one of the later). That got me wondering if there are easy official docs. I've seen the pdfs at pragma-ade.com http://pragma-ade.com but the most general ones I tried are from 1999 (ms-cb-en.pdf) and 2001 (cont-eni.pdf). Are these up to date with the current developments? I belive they are compatible but having seen examples of changes in the wiki I a little unsure. Furthermore, the parameter behavior description in the command reference seem a bit... dry. So here's my plea for a little bit more love for the documentation. In any way, thank you very much for an awesome language, I'm glad I researched thoroughly before jumping into latex. When mechanisms in context are extended, we try to remain downward compatible, at least in functionality. Therefore the old manuals are normally okay (no need to fake updates with newer dates.) There are however a few core mechanisms that are obsolete and/or changed and those are input encodings (now always utf) and fonts (now always unicode - or mapped to unicode - using features cf open type and more). In practice input encodings and fonts have always been complex: what input encoding to choose and what font encoding to use, then running into availability of fonts, differences per language, differences per user. A bit of installation nightmare and user support as soon as it became less standard. By the time that had become easier (tex gyre and lm project) the move to opentype was made so most of the documentation had become somewhat obsolete. So, when using old manuals, keep in mind that encodings, regimes and fonts are less hassle now and no special commands are needed to use and combine these properties. In addition some mechanisms were extended and improved in mkiv (sectioning and so) which means that there are additional ways to configure them. That leaves mechanisms that are completely redone. One example is bibliographies, but users who need them will have no real problems adapting and these come with new manuals. Stick to mkiv. It's the one where the action takes place. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/ listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] documentation
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2014-07-07, Monday···from: Yuri Teixeira··· For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some show it down (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com been one of the later). Confirmed. The wiki server (wiki.contextgarden.net) does not respond to ICMP requests. I remember having used the wiki only yesterday so it could be temporary outage. The git server (git.contextgarden.net) is still running, though. Only wiki, live and modules are down (plus tlcontrib). Minimals and alike still work. The domain contextgarden.net points to one server, but apache redirects to another and that second one is down. This might explain why verification sites show different results. Only Taco has access to hardware. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] documentation
···date: 2014-07-07, Monday···from: Yuri Teixeira··· For some reason (isp/dns/something) the contextgarden.net has been unavailiable to me since yesterday even though some verification sites show it up and some show it down (http://www.isitdownrightnow.com been one of the later). Confirmed. The wiki server (wiki.contextgarden.net) does not respond to ICMP requests. I remember having used the wiki only yesterday so it could be temporary outage. The git server (git.contextgarden.net) is still running, though. Best, Philipp pgp5Z6_Mq79nB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [garden] luatex git mirror out of sync
On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi all, there’s been a lot of changes lately to the Luatex SVN but the mirror on the Garden doesn’t appear to match pace. Here’s the experimental branch on the Garden and on supelec: http://git.contextgarden.net/context/luatex/commits/origin/experimental https://foundry.supelec.fr/scm/viewvc.php/branches/experimental/?root=luatexsortby=date#dirlist Commits after 25 Apr are missing on the former. I was experimenting with svn2git during BachoTeX, but I didn't set it up properly and the way I made the conversion isn't working properly for incremental updates. This means that I would need to change the strategy to convert from SVN, but I didn't take time yet to take a look into it. There is no cron job. But if anyone would like to get it done, feel free to reply off-list and I can try to fix it, maybe with your help. Perhaps a cron job is broken somewhere? No. It has never worked in the first place. Also I noticed that if I click the “compare” button on this form: http://git.contextgarden.net/context/luatex/compare?from=masterto=experimental I get a 500 (“We’re sorry, …”). Can anybody reproduce this? Yes. I can reproduce this. GitLab seems nice and powerful, but there are bugs and problems. And sometimes it works very very slow. I need to figure out whether something went wrong on the server or if there's a bug in GitLab. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] win2k and context
Please test whether the luatex binaries work at all. Without a working luatex binary it's pointless to even discuss any further. Once you find a working luatex, we'll be able to help you further. The mingw 0.72.0 is not complaining about missing functions. So I can say: It runs! Don't know if there are other problems. Btw: a working mtxrun alone won't help you because that won't necessarily give you a compatible luatex version. In the worst case you can probably replace mtxrun with a batch script. With a working mtxrun I could downgrade using the context=date switch. This switch makes not much sens if it is not working with older versions. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] win2k and context
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: Please test whether the luatex binaries work at all. Without a working luatex binary it's pointless to even discuss any further. Once you find a working luatex, we'll be able to help you further. The mingw 0.72.0 is not complaining about missing functions. So I can say: It runs! Don't know if there are other problems. Just curious: is that the latest version that works according to your tests or did you actually try just this one? Btw: a working mtxrun alone won't help you because that won't necessarily give you a compatible luatex version. In the worst case you can probably replace mtxrun with a batch script. With a working mtxrun I could downgrade using the context=date switch. This switch makes not much sens if it is not working with older versions. If LuaTeX runs, fetch ConTeXt from git: * https://github.com/contextgarden/context/ * http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context/ (or from elsewhere). The switch --context=date became pretty much useless as there are no more regular current releases of ConTeXt. With git you get access to more versions. The script mtxrun contains some instructions about how one could run it: LUATEXDIR=/../texmf/scripts/context/lua luatex --luaonly mtxrun.lua $@ If you translate that syntax to a mtxrun.bat, it will probably work. Or you can try to compile mtxrun yourself. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] Letter module
Hello,
Is there any updated documentation for the letter/correspondence module? All I
can find
is version 2010.08.27 and I can see from this list that things have
changed, I just don't know where to find out what.
Also, can anyone tell me how to remove the label above the date, how to
add a pdf containing my letterheading as the page background, and how to
add a horizontal line between the backaddress and the toaddress?
For the page background I currently have:
\setupletter[
backgroundimage={letterhead}
]
but it doesn't seem to do anything. I've tried adding the file
extension.
Thanks,
Mo.
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Re: [NTG-context] Letter module
Hello again,
I managed to get the backaddress looking how I wanted by reading again
through the main ConTeXt manual. I've also got my letterhead loading as
the page background to some degree like so:
\defineletterelement[layer][lettermain][Stationery]{\externalfigure[letterhead][width=210mm,height=297mm]}
\setupletterlayer
[lettermain]
[x=0mm,
y=0mm,
alternative=Stationery]
but there seems to be a tiny border around it rather than being flush to
the edges of the page. I've tried other methods using layers and
\setupbackgrounds but they seem to have no effect at all.
Can someone help with that?
I still haven't worked out how to remove the lavel above the date, and
to make matters worse it doesn't seem to be affected by changing the
document language either!
Mo.
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 05:30:56PM +0200, Mo Abrahams wrote:
Hello,
Is there any updated documentation for the letter/correspondence module? All
I can find
is version 2010.08.27 and I can see from this list that things have
changed, I just don't know where to find out what.
Also, can anyone tell me how to remove the label above the date, how to
add a pdf containing my letterheading as the page background, and how to
add a horizontal line between the backaddress and the toaddress?
For the page background I currently have:
\setupletter[
backgroundimage={letterhead}
]
but it doesn't seem to do anything. I've tried adding the file
extension.
Thanks,
Mo.
--
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[NTG-context] ConTeXt meeting 2014 update
Hi all, Some new information is now available on the upcoming meeting, so here is an update with all the news. http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2014 == NTG Meeting == The NTG has set the fees for attendance of the NTG’s anniversary meeting, which will follow immediately after our meeting. If you want to stay around for that (program on Saturday and Sunday, with talks in Dutch), please check the box on the registration form. Or, if you have registered already, send me an email message. Additional fee: 50 EUR for NTG members, 70 EUR for other people, to be paid in cash. == T-shirt ? == No, not this time. We are pretty sure most of you have enough meeting shirts already, so we decided to do something different this time. In keeping with the “Cookery” meeting theme, the goody bag will have a full-sized kitchen apron instead. In fact, there will be two different apron designs each featuring a commissioned drawing by Duane Bibby. The designs will remain secret for a while longer (possibly even until the actual meeting) but we are willing to tell you that there will be “lion” and “lioness” versions, and each one is cooking up a big bowl of ConTeXt soup. On the meeting registration form you can select which version you want to receive as part of the goody bag. There is also a checkbox to pre-order the other one (get a matching pair!). After the meeting, the aprons will remain available as ConTeXt merchandise, which is why there will not be a date or place mentioned on the apron. When the time comes, we will let you know how and where to order (by then of course there will be pictures as well). == Programme == No actual schedule has been made up yet, but there are quite some entries on the Abstracts page by now. It looks to me like it is going to be a very interesting programme! Have a look for yourself, and feel free to request talks on any other subject you are interested in: http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2014/abstracts.shtml == Registration reminder == With only *one week* to go before the early bird deadline expires, now would be a great time to register! http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2014/register.shtml Hoping to see many of you in Bassenge, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [bug?] no space before \cite[data][] and after \abbreviation
Am 28.05.2014 um 11:37 schrieb pol stra r...@hotmail.fr: Subject: Re: [NTG-context] [bug?] no space before \cite[data][] and after \abbreviation From: schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 16:38:28 +0200 CC: ntg-context@ntg.nl To: r...@hotmail.fr Am 25.05.2014 um 09:27 schrieb Pol Stra r...@hotmail.fr: What about the cite command and the space _before_? Do you have a minimal example for this? Wolfgang Sorry, it seems the issue appears only when used in footnote. I joined a minimal example. You can see in the output that there is a space in the text, but not in the footnote. I don’t know why the space is removed in the footnote but when you use a nonbreakable space with ~ it won’t disappear. Wolfgang___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [bug?] no space before \cite[data][] and after \abbreviation
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] [bug?] no space before \cite[data][] and after \abbreviation From: schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 16:38:28 +0200 CC: ntg-context@ntg.nl To: r...@hotmail.fr Am 25.05.2014 um 09:27 schrieb Pol Stra r...@hotmail.fr: What about the cite command and the space _before_? Do you have a minimal example for this? Wolfgang Sorry, it seems the issue appears only when used in footnote. I joined a minimal example. You can see in the output that there is a space in the text, but not in the footnote. Pol test_bib.bib Description: Binary data test_cite.tex Description: TeX document test_cite.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Simple command with variable number of arguments
On Fri, 23 May 2014, Matthias Weber wrote:
Dear All,
I would like to define a command that expands
\vector{2,4} % or vector[2,4] if that’s easier
to
\startpmatrix
\NC 2 \NR
\NC 4 \NR
\stoppmatrix
and more generally
\vector{2,4,1,7}
to
\startpmatrix
\NC 2 \NR
\NC 4 \NR
\NC 1 \NR
\NC 7 \NR
\stoppmatrix
Any hints how to achieve this?
Surprisingly, this is not as simple as it may seem at first glance. Some
time ago, I had written a module to achieve this. See attached. The usage
is:
\usemodule[simplematrix]
\definesimplematrix[MATRIX][fence=bracket]
(any predefined math-fence will work) and then:
\MATRIX{1,2,3} for row vectors and \MATRIX{1;2;3} for column vectors, and
\MATRIX{1,2,3; 4,5,6} for matrices.
You can use \definesimplematrix[...][distance=..., align=...] to influence
the distance and align keys of mathmatrix.
Aditya%D \module
%D [ file=t-simplematrix,
%D version=2014.02.18,
%Dtitle=\CONTEXT\ User Module,
%D subtitle=Simple matrix,
%D author=Aditya Mahajan,
%D date=\currentdate,
%Dcopyright=Aditya Mahajan,
%Demail=adityam at ieee dot org,
%D license=Simplified BSD License]
\writestatus{loading}{Simple matrix (ver: 2014.02.18)}
\startmodule[simplematrix]
\unprotect
\definenamespace
[simplematrix]
[ \c!type=module,
\c!name=simplematrix,
\c!command=\v!yes,
setup=\v!list,
\s!parent=simplematrix,
]
\setupsimplematrix
[
\c!distance=\emwidth,
\c!mathstyle=,
fence=bracket,
\c!align=
]
\appendtoks
\setevalue{\currentsimplematrix}{\usesimplematrix[\currentsimplematrix]}
\to \everydefinesimplematrix
\newtoks\simplematrixtoks
\define[1]\simplematrix_row
{\processcommalist[#1]\simplematrix_col
\appendtoks \NR \to \simplematrixtoks}
\define[1]\simplematrix_col
{\appendtoks \NC #1 \to \simplematrixtoks}
\unexpanded\def\usesimplematrix
{\dodoubleargument\usesimplematrix_indeed}
\def\simplematrix_left
{\edef\p_left{\namedmathfenceparameter{\simplematrixparameter{fence}}\c!left}%
\normalleft\ifx\p_left\empty.\else\Udelimiter\plusfour\fam\p_left\relax\fi
\,}
\def\simplematrix_right
{\edef\p_right{\namedmathfenceparameter{\simplematrixparameter{fence}}\c!right}%
\,
\normalright\ifx\p_right\empty.\else\Udelimiter\plusfive\fam\p_right\relax\fi}
\def\usesimplematrix_indeed[#name][#options]#matrix%
{\begingroup
\edef\currentsimplematrix{#name}%
\setupsimplematrix[#name][#options]%
\simplematrixtoks\emptytoks
\startusemathstyleparameter\simplematrixparameter
\appendtoks
\bgroup
\startmathmatrix
[
\c!distance=\simplematrixparameter\c!distance,
\c!left=\simplematrix_left,
\c!right=\simplematrix_right,
\c!align=\simplematrixparameter\c!align,
]
\to \simplematrixtoks
\processlist[];\simplematrix_row[#matrix]%
\appendtoks \stopmathmatrix \egroup \to \simplematrixtoks
\the\simplematrixtoks
\stopusemathstyleparameter
\endgroup}
\protect
\stopmodule
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Re: [NTG-context] Simple command with variable number of arguments
Dear Luigi and listers,
Last year, I need to write a text for a linear algebra class.
Since there are many \startmatrix … \stopmatrix and matrix calculations, I
wrote a lua code which did matrix calculations and writing with a lot of help
from this list.
Using the code, I can write class materials easily. It is good enough for my
purpose.
I am not good in Lua coding, so there may be many things to be checked for
efficiency and for stability.
However, I attached the code because there may be someone who need it.
It is also good thing to return what I get from the list back.
I hope that you enhance the code for better performance since you are an expert
in Lua.
I always thank to this list and to developers of ConTeXt.
Best regards,
Dalyoung
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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Matthias Weber matwe...@indiana.eduwrote:
Dear All,
I would like to define a command that expands
\vector{2,4} % or vector[2,4] if that?s easier
to
\startpmatrix
\NC 2 \NR
\NC 4 \NR
\stoppmatrix
and more generally
\vector{2,4,1,7}
to
\startpmatrix
\NC 2 \NR
\NC 4 \NR
\NC 1 \NR
\NC 7 \NR
\stoppmatrix
Any hints how to achieve this?
Thanks,
\definemathmatrix
[pmatrix]
[left={\left(\,},right={\,\right)}]
\startluacode
document = document or {}
document.matthias = document.matthias or {}
local function lua_columnvector(a)
context.startpmatrix()
for i,v in ipairs(a) do
context.NC() context(tostring(v)) context.NR()
end
context.stoppmatrix()
end
document.matthias.lua_columnvector = document.matthias.lua_columnvector or
lua_columnvector
\stopluacode
\def\columnvector#1{\ctxlua{document.matthias.lua_columnvector(#1)}}
\starttext
\startformula
\columnvector{{1,2,3}} %% watch the double { !
\stopformula
\stoptext
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Re: [NTG-context] Simple command with variable number of arguments
)
for i=1,#t do
det = det * t[i][i]
end
return det
else
return 0
end
end
I always thank to this list and to developers of ConTeXt.
Based on the attached I can make a more efficient version that we can
then add to the distribution (maybe you need more than this?)
Hans
Best regards,
Dalyoung
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Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 13:44:30 +0200
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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Simple command with variable number of
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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Matthias Weber matwe...@indiana.eduwrote:
Dear All,
I would like to define a command that expands
\vector{2,4} % or vector[2,4] if that?s easier
to
\startpmatrix
\NC 2 \NR
\NC 4 \NR
\stoppmatrix
and more generally
\vector{2,4,1,7}
to
\startpmatrix
\NC 2 \NR
\NC 4 \NR
\NC 1 \NR
\NC 7 \NR
\stoppmatrix
Any hints how to achieve this?
Thanks,
\definemathmatrix
[pmatrix]
[left={\left(\,},right={\,\right)}]
\startluacode
document = document or {}
document.matthias = document.matthias or {}
local function lua_columnvector(a)
context.startpmatrix()
for i,v in ipairs(a) do
context.NC() context(tostring(v)) context.NR()
end
context.stoppmatrix()
end
document.matthias.lua_columnvector = document.matthias.lua_columnvector or
lua_columnvector
\stopluacode
\def\columnvector#1{\ctxlua{document.matthias.lua_columnvector(#1)}}
\starttext
\startformula
\columnvector{{1,2,3}} %% watch the double { !
\stopformula
\stoptext
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[NTG-context] Testing TeX Live 2014: last call
Hi everyone, I would like to invite you to try to install TL 2014 pretest to make sure that ConTeXt (and jit in particular) works as expected. https://www.tug.org/texlive/pretest.html You are invited to play with your installation and different settings and to test some of your documents. Theoretically we are already past the freeze date, but if any major problems show up, there might be still time for a fix. The version of ConTeXt that will end up in TL is 2014.05.21 22:04. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Testing TeX Live 2014: last call
On 5/22/2014 11:21 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: Hi everyone, I would like to invite you to try to install TL 2014 pretest to make sure that ConTeXt (and jit in particular) works as expected. https://www.tug.org/texlive/pretest.html You are invited to play with your installation and different settings and to test some of your documents. Theoretically we are already past the freeze date, but if any major problems show up, there might be still time for a fix. I guess that in that case we should call it a current (instead of beta). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] mathml mtext behaviour
On 5/18/2014 10:05 AM, H. van der Meer wrote:
Sorry if this question reaches you twice, but the first time I used an
email address not registered with this newsgroup.
The short example below typeset with
\usemodule[mathml]
\starttext
\typebuffer
\blank
\processxmlbuffer
\stoptext
and ConTeXt ver: 2014.04.04 00:08 MKIV beta shows that the mtext
element does not honour the tags within. This severely restricts the
presentation.
So what makes you think these tags should be recognized and interpreted
as being 'bold'?
Can this be remedied?
\usemodule[mathml,mathml-html]
with the attached
Hans van der Meer
Hans van der Meer
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%D \modul
%D [ file=x-mathml,
%Dversion=2014.05.18,
%D title=\CONTEXT\ XML Modules,
%D subtitle=\MATHML\ embedded HTML,
%D author=Hans Hagen,
%D date=\currentdate,
%D copyright={PRAGMA ADE \ \CONTEXT\ Development Team}]
%C
%C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is
%C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for
%C details.
% maybe some more
\startmodule [mathml-html]
\startxmlsetups mml:html:b
\bold{\xmlflush{#1}}
\stopxmlsetups
\startxmlsetups mml:html:i
\italic{\xmlflush{#1}}
\stopxmlsetups
\startxmlsetups mml:html:tt
\mono{\xmlflush{#1}}
\stopxmlsetups
\startxmlsetups mml:html:em
\emphasized{\xmlflush{#1}}
\stopxmlsetups
\startxmlsetups mml:html
\xmlsetsetup{#1}{mml:b|mml:i|mml:tt|mml:em}{mml:html:*}
\stopxmlsetups
\xmlregistersetup{mml:html}
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Re: [NTG-context] LuaTeX-plain OpenType Features Select
On Wed May 14 00:16:54 2014, Philipp Gesang wrote:
···date: 2014-05-13, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 5/13/2014 8:16 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Tue May 13 19:56:34 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5/13/2014 7:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Mon May 12 23:12:06 2014, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On 2014-05-12, 22:59 , Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
Hi all,
Trying to select slashed zero and lining figures from a
font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works,
but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me
the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed...
Font URL:
http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/
PDF Info:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf
8---minimal example8
\newdimen\fntcodesz
\fntcodesz = 11.5pt
\font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz
\kwr
0123456789
\bye
8--8
sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too
or when
digits are concerned disable oldstyle
I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that.
there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki
I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm
looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning
for me. For example, can I use this information?:
Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 zero.lf.slashed DIGIT
ZERO
1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 one.lf DIGIT ONE
...
Slash 0, Basic: (0x1012b) U+0030 zero.basic.slashed DIGIT ZERO
1, Basic: (0x1012c) U+0031 one.basic DIGIT ONE
...
so you need to select the lnum feature too
Was this not it?:
...
\font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz
...
But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here.
Regards,
Aíre
Solution:
\font\tt = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:script=latn;+lnum;+zero} at 12pt
Thank you!
Spoke too soon. The zero.slashed is selected, instead of
zero.lf.slashed,
so that the zero is smaller than the rest of the lining figure numbers.
In
desperation, tried luatex with 'luaotfload.sty' under TeXLive2013, and
it
worked fine. `;color=XX` also works with `luaotfload`, but not with
LuaTeX-plain from ConTeXt.
no, and that is unlikely to show up in context as it makes no sense to
specify colors that way .. just use the normal color commands
Any ideas would be welcome. Exhausted Google query permutations and most
font info if for LaTeX, pdfTeX, pdfLaTeX, LuaLaTeX or ConTeXt.
Can I maybe as a hack switch the glyphs, or something?
how about adding
mode=node
in the plain setup (often not needed in context)
Hans
Thanks for the reply. Tried `mode=node`. Read about it, but never
thought
of putting it here!? The correct specification then is:
\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:%
script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node} at \fntsze
Confused about the color though. Read most of luatexref-t.pdf, and may
have missed it. The only reference (and it works in `luaotfload` under
TeXLive2013) is like this:
\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:%
script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node;color=336699} at \fntsze
so it looks like oftload adds that (or maybe the latex font definition
code) but even then, it's probably implemented someplace else in the
latex code
Found no other reference to setting color on fonts in LuaTeX-plain (the
ConTeXt version). Would love a pointer to the information though.
it must be something latex i think (maybe to provide xetex
compatibility) but it's definitely not in luatex (nor will be) and also
not in context (which has more advanced color support than hex specs
anyway)
That’s correct. The “color” key triggers a custom callback that
tints every glyph of the defined font. It’s part of Luaotfload
solely for compatibility for Xetex. IMO it’s not worth the
hassle; I recommend using a proper color package instead.
Thank you for the kind advice, Philipp. Is there a color package
that works with ConTeXt's luatex-plain.fmt that you can suggest?
if you want color, use context instead of plain
Probably the best suggestion =)
Noted. My ultimate goal.
Philipp
Regards,
Aíre
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Re: [NTG-context] LuaTeX-plain OpenType Features Select
···date: 2014-05-15, Thursday···from: Aíre Funvake··· On Wed May 14 00:16:54 2014, Philipp Gesang wrote: That’s correct. The “color” key triggers a custom callback that tints every glyph of the defined font. It’s part of Luaotfload solely for compatibility for Xetex. IMO it’s not worth the hassle; I recommend using a proper color package instead. Thank you for the kind advice, Philipp. Is there a color package that works with ConTeXt's luatex-plain.fmt that you can suggest? Never tried that, sorry. Have you searched CTAN? If that leads nowhere I recommend asking on http://tex.stackexchange.com. Best, Philipp pgpH4kKkkGkRF.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Typographical quality of various engines
On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: Dear All, I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to date, so congratulation! If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment or let me know. If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix it. Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite some characters in context. Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be further customized (extended). My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion pointing to this source code: http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua By that subset I mean the table vectors['default'] Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text. Thanks for your suggestions, Jan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Typographical quality of various engines
On 5/15/2014 7:39 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: Dear All, I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to date, so congratulation! If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment or let me know. If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix it. Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite some characters in context. Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be further customized (extended). My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion pointing to this source code: http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua By that subset I mean the table vectors['default'] yes but we also initialize all similar shapes Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text. Thanks for your suggestions, Jan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ -- - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Typographical quality of various engines
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Jan Tosovsky j.tosov...@email.cz wrote: On 2014-05-15 Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: Dear All, I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to date, so congratulation! If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment or let me know. If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix it. Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite some characters in context. Good point, it should be clarified it is a default vector set, which can be further customized (extended). My info is based on this Wiki http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion pointing to this source code: http://source.contextgarden.net/font-ext.lua By that subset I mean the table vectors['default'] Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). Yes, I am aware of this, but it is indeed not very obvious from the text. Thanks for your suggestions, Jan Another point could be the server property... the swiglib project is an attempt to cover this side https://swiglib.foundry.supelec.fr/ -- luigi ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] [OT] Typographical quality of various engines
Dear All, I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to date, so congratulation! If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment or let me know. If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix it. Thanks, Jan ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [OT] Typographical quality of various engines
On 5/14/2014 10:21 PM, Jan Tosovsky wrote: Dear All, I've finished a rough comparision of various engines for their typographical quality: http://drifted.in/publishing/ From my point of view the ConTeXt is the best offering in this field to date, so congratulation! If you find something inappropriate or misleading in my text, please comment or let me know. If my ConTeXt examples could be written more efficiently, I am open to fix it. Font expansion only, applied to a limited character subset Is that true? It is applied to any character that you want, of course given that you associate expansion factors, but that happens for quite some characters in context. Concerning homogenization, context has support for dynamically aplying feature (alternates) to improve the look and feel but of course not many fonts have multiple variants for glyphs grouped in stylistic alternates so this mechanism is hardly used (only for some arabic). Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
[NTG-context] arch linux and ConTeXt
Hi Aditya, recently I changed my linux distribution to arch and so I used your arch suggestion to install ConTeXt. Instead of reporting any bugs at the ConTeXt mailing list according to the last sentence it's in my own interest to thank you for your work there! All went well, though one little rather unimportant thing irritated me initially: makepkg which should generate context-minimals-date.pkg.tar.gz with the date of today, as I assume, generated context-minimals-git-20130615-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.gz instead, with a one year old date. But the eventually generated ConTeXt is totally new: ConTeXt ver: 2014.05.13 00:04 MKIV beta fmt: 2014.5.13 So, it's not a real bug, only irritating a little bit. I thank you again! Rudolf ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] LuaTeX-plain OpenType Features Select
···date: 2014-05-13, Tuesday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 5/13/2014 8:16 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Tue May 13 19:56:34 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5/13/2014 7:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Mon May 12 23:12:06 2014, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On 2014-05-12, 22:59 , Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Mon May 12 22:52:43 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5/12/2014 10:46 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
On Mon May 12 22:01:04 2014, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 5/12/2014 9:48 PM, Aíre Funvake wrote:
Hi all,
Trying to select slashed zero and lining figures from a
font. For Lucida Bright OT, as another example, +scmp works,
but not for Charter ITC Pro. But the font that concerns me
the most right now, is TheSansMono Condensed...
Font URL:
http://www.lucasfonts.com/fonts/thesansmono/thesansmono-condensed/features/
PDF Info:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6613992/TheSansMonoCd-info.pdf
8---minimal example8
\newdimen\fntcodesz
\fntcodesz = 11.5pt
\font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz
\kwr
0123456789
\bye
8--8
sometimes you need to select a script/language combination too
or when
digits are concerned disable oldstyle
I'm too inexperienced to know what that means, or how to apply that.
there is some info in font manuals and the context wiki
I've opened the font in FontForge, and can see the glyphs I'm
looking for, but again, it does not carry much applicable meaning
for me. For example, can I use this information?:
Slash 0, Lining Figures: (0x10120) U+0030 zero.lf.slashed DIGIT
ZERO
1, Lining Figures: (0x10121) U+0031 one.lf DIGIT ONE
...
Slash 0, Basic: (0x1012b) U+0030 zero.basic.slashed DIGIT ZERO
1, Basic: (0x1012c) U+0031 one.basic DIGIT ONE
...
so you need to select the lnum feature too
Was this not it?:
...
\font\kwr = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:+lnum;+zero at \fntcodesz
...
But thanks; will keep on reading; if solution found, will add it here.
Regards,
Aíre
Solution:
\font\tt = name:thesansmonocdw5regular:script=latn;+lnum;+zero} at 12pt
Thank you!
Spoke too soon. The zero.slashed is selected, instead of
zero.lf.slashed,
so that the zero is smaller than the rest of the lining figure numbers.
In
desperation, tried luatex with 'luaotfload.sty' under TeXLive2013, and
it
worked fine. `;color=XX` also works with `luaotfload`, but not with
LuaTeX-plain from ConTeXt.
no, and that is unlikely to show up in context as it makes no sense to
specify colors that way .. just use the normal color commands
Any ideas would be welcome. Exhausted Google query permutations and most
font info if for LaTeX, pdfTeX, pdfLaTeX, LuaLaTeX or ConTeXt.
Can I maybe as a hack switch the glyphs, or something?
how about adding
mode=node
in the plain setup (often not needed in context)
Hans
Thanks for the reply. Tried `mode=node`. Read about it, but never
thought
of putting it here!? The correct specification then is:
\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:%
script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node} at \fntsze
Confused about the color though. Read most of luatexref-t.pdf, and may
have missed it. The only reference (and it works in `luaotfload` under
TeXLive2013) is like this:
\font\mono = {TheSansMonoCd-W5Regular:%
script=latn;+lnum;+zero;mode=node;color=336699} at \fntsze
so it looks like oftload adds that (or maybe the latex font definition
code) but even then, it's probably implemented someplace else in the
latex code
Found no other reference to setting color on fonts in LuaTeX-plain (the
ConTeXt version). Would love a pointer to the information though.
it must be something latex i think (maybe to provide xetex
compatibility) but it's definitely not in luatex (nor will be) and also
not in context (which has more advanced color support than hex specs
anyway)
That’s correct. The “color” key triggers a custom callback that
tints every glyph of the defined font. It’s part of Luaotfload
solely for compatibility for Xetex. IMO it’s not worth the
hassle; I recommend using a proper color package instead.
if you want color, use context instead of plain
Probably the best suggestion =)
Philipp
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Re: [NTG-context] smcp+tlig broken for -- only? -- Libertine
···date: 2014-05-12, Monday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 5/11/2014 12:23 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi Hans, the fontloader appears to have trouble applying fake ligatures (“--” - “\endash” and the likes) in conjunction with small capitals. Both features work well in isolation. The behavior is limited to Libertine (I tested all versions back to 5.0.0). Here’s the file I’ve been testing with: https://bitbucket.org/phg/lua-la-tex-tests/src/c2e518e9459ab343fee3d0647c7472c5bf599489/cnt-feature-9-smcp-tlig.tex (1) for node mode i will shift the feature up front (unless it fails at some point) Thanks, I’ll keep an eye on that! For now it looks good. (2) for base mode we will fall back on regular -- and --- (no fancy adaption) Fine by me! Thanks for the quick fix, Philipp pgpGV3l8Lmsnn.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git
···date: 2014-04-26, Saturday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi all, Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From his answer: Because of security issues I disconnected the server there git script was running from the internet and have no plans to restore it. Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot to tell everybody ;) ? If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script: https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl Any thoughts? Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while. Is there a web interface somewhere? The source links on the wiki still point to the outdated mirrors that were based on Marius’ bot. E.g. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page#Development http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_wiki:Editing#Linking_to_source_files Out of curiosity I pointed my browser to git.contextgarden.net but all I got was some login form :( Philipp pgpdrOPUTNyRU.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2014-04-26, Saturday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi all, Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From his answer: Because of security issues I disconnected the server there git script was running from the internet and have no plans to restore it. Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot to tell everybody ;) ? If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script: https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl Any thoughts? Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while. Indeed, that was supposed to be an Easter egg. (But mostly because it still needs contents and user accounts and ... Also the scripts aren't completely reliably working yet.) Out of curiosity I pointed my browser to git.contextgarden.net but all I got was some login form :( If you came that far, you should have also noticed the link public projects. Mojca ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git
···date: 2014-04-27, Sunday···from: Mojca Miklavec··· On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: ···date: 2014-04-26, Saturday···from: Hans Hagen··· On 4/26/2014 12:02 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Hi all, Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From his answer: Because of security issues I disconnected the server there git script was running from the internet and have no plans to restore it. Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot to tell everybody ;) ? If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script: https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl Any thoughts? Mojca already has that running on the garden for a while. Indeed, that was supposed to be an Easter egg. (But mostly because it still needs contents and user accounts and ... Also the scripts aren't completely reliably working yet.) The idea is great nonetheless! Out of curiosity I pointed my browser to git.contextgarden.net but all I got was some login form :( If you came that far, you should have also noticed the link public projects. Ha, I did not. Thanks. Though I can’t seem to clone the main repo: [10:48:37=phg@acheron= ~/src/context-dev] git clone http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context.git context-git-garden Cloning into 'context-git-garden'... remote: Counting objects: 55441, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (10041/10041), done. error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 1.10 MiB/s fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly fatal: early EOF fatal: index-pack failed Same for the repo imported from gitorious. Maybe some rate limit is interfering? Philipp pgpGNf5YIxm5p.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
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···date: 2014-04-27, Sunday···from: Mojca Miklavec··· On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Philipp Gesang wrote: Though I can’t seem to clone the main repo: [10:48:37=phg@acheron= ~/src/context-dev] git clone http://git.contextgarden.net/context/context.git context-git-garden Cloning into 'context-git-garden'... remote: Counting objects: 55441, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (10041/10041), done. error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200MiB | 1.10 MiB/s fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly fatal: early EOF fatal: index-pack failed Same for the repo imported from gitorious. Maybe some rate limit is interfering? Weird, it works for me. I get the same error on my freebsd box as well. To make sure it’s not an out-of-memory situation I also cloned the Linux repo (1.1 GB) -- successfully. So I’m not convinced that it’s caused by a misconfiguration on my side. If it helps, I’m using git versions 1.9.2 and 1.9.0. Attached is the captured output of the git session with GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1. Philipp Cloning into 'context-git-garden'... * Couldn't find host git.contextgarden.net in the .netrc file; using defaults * Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache * Trying 193.2.4.200... * Connected to git.contextgarden.net (193.2.4.200) port 80 (#0) GET /context/context.git/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack HTTP/1.1 User-Agent: git/1.9.2 Host: git.contextgarden.net Accept: */* Accept-Encoding: gzip Pragma: no-cache HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:56:14 GMT * Server Apache is not blacklisted Server: Apache Status: 200 OK Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-advertisement Expires: Tue, 01 Jan 1980 00:00:00 GMT Pragma: no-cache Cache-Control: no-cache, max-age=0, must-revalidate Content-Length: 310 X-Request-Id: 8f7c40a4-7704-4df0-843b-21d9e3b79ca9 X-Runtime: 0.019148 * Connection #0 to host git.contextgarden.net left intact * Couldn't find host git.contextgarden.net in the .netrc file; using defaults * Hostname was NOT found in DNS cache * Trying 193.2.4.200... * Connected to git.contextgarden.net (193.2.4.200) port 80 (#1) POST /context/context.git/git-upload-pack HTTP/1.1 User-Agent: git/1.9.2 Host: git.contextgarden.net Accept-Encoding: gzip Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-request Accept: application/x-git-upload-pack-result Content-Length: 202 * upload completely sent off: 202 out of 202 bytes HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 11:56:14 GMT * Server Apache is not blacklisted Server: Apache Status: 200 OK Content-Type: application/x-git-upload-pack-result Cache-Control: no-cache X-Request-Id: 1251ceab-4838-4823-bd98-4c466ff19e81 X-Runtime: 0.005837 Transfer-Encoding: chunked * transfer closed with outstanding read data remaining * Closing connection 1 error: RPC failed; result=18, HTTP code = 200 fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly fatal: early EOF fatal: index-pack failed pgpBPQAKmWdDY.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] git
Hi all, Marius’ git mirror is not going to be kept in sync anymore. From his answer: Because of security issues I disconnected the server there git script was running from the internet and have no plans to restore it. Which I think is quite a loss because it made working with the beta *much* easier. Would it be possible to put up something similar on the garden? Maybe Hans is already using git and forgot to tell everybody ;) ? If someone has a permanently online machine to spare maybe they could set up a cronjob for Marius’s script: https://gitorious.org/context/context/source/d493b9c93ad826044bd17889da2ee099c8ed72d5:context_git_update.pl Any thoughts? Philipp ···date: 2014-03-16, Sunday···from: Hans Hagen··· Hi, Is Marius git repos still kept up to date? Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ pgpwB7iFFLFMj.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] [luatex-plain] disappearing math-on node
···date: 2014-04-06, Sunday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 4/5/2014 3:12 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
···date: 2014-04-03, Thursday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 4/3/2014 6:29 PM, Dohyun Kim wrote:
This is a bug report based on the issue discussed at
https://github.com/lualatex/luaotfload/issues/212
\font\tenrm{file:lmroman10-regular.otf:mode=node;script=latn}\tenrm
\setbox0\vbox{%
x\penalty-1
$a$x$a$
}
\unvbox0
\setbox0\lastbox
\unhbox0
\end
The plain tex code shown above fails with a lua error:
luatex-fonts-merged.lua:9616: attempt to index local 'current' (a nil
value)
My guess is: as math-on (math-off too) is a discardable item after a
linebreak, the first math-on node has gone away. So the
math-on/math-off pair has become broken, by which the behavior of
node.end_of_math is confused.
mtxrun --script plain test.tex
runs ok here so i need an example that fails with context or luatex-plain
It fails with the luatex-plain format from the minimals as of
yesterday and Luatex 4972:
error:
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ota.lua:144: attempt to
index local 'current' (a nil value)
.
\bye ^^@-\par
\vfill \supereject \end
l.17 \bye
Though the issue arises only in node mode.
normally the font callback is called on a hlist and there are always
paired math nodes
(what is line 9616 in the current beta?)
Line 9626 with yesterday’s code. Attached are patches for
font-ota.lua and luatex-fonts-otn.lua that guard all invocations
of end_of_math() with checks for the subtype.
I think that the removed math node is a bad thing so that will change in
a next luatex release (i tested a patch but it will not go in the tl
release). (Just like the math node at the end of a line it will have
zero surround in order to make the backend happy.)
I’d be interested in testing the patch as well.
In order to avoid the 'current' issue I'll use an overload of
end_of_math in the generic code.
The real solution is to make the built-in end_of_math more strict
(trivial patch ready and tested so that can end up in the next luatex).
In the context code i won't intercept it because end_of_math will do
that at some point.
Good news. Though I’m a little worried about the fontloader in
Context and the generic format diverging too much.
Thanks for looking into this,
Philipp
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Re: [NTG-context] [luatex-plain] disappearing math-on node
···date: 2014-04-06, Sunday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 4/5/2014 3:12 PM, Philipp Gesang wrote:
···date: 2014-04-03, Thursday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 4/3/2014 6:29 PM, Dohyun Kim wrote:
This is a bug report based on the issue discussed at
https://github.com/lualatex/luaotfload/issues/212
\font\tenrm{file:lmroman10-regular.otf:mode=node;script=latn}\tenrm
\setbox0\vbox{%
x\penalty-1
$a$x$a$
}
\unvbox0
\setbox0\lastbox
\unhbox0
\end
The plain tex code shown above fails with a lua error:
luatex-fonts-merged.lua:9616: attempt to index local 'current' (a nil
value)
My guess is: as math-on (math-off too) is a discardable item after a
linebreak, the first math-on node has gone away. So the
math-on/math-off pair has become broken, by which the behavior of
node.end_of_math is confused.
mtxrun --script plain test.tex
runs ok here so i need an example that fails with context or luatex-plain
It fails with the luatex-plain format from the minimals as of
yesterday and Luatex 4972:
error:
.../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ota.lua:144: attempt to
index local 'current' (a nil value)
.
\bye ^^@-\par
\vfill \supereject \end
l.17 \bye
Though the issue arises only in node mode.
normally the font callback is called on a hlist and there are always
paired math nodes
(what is line 9616 in the current beta?)
Line 9626 with yesterday’s code. Attached are patches for
font-ota.lua and luatex-fonts-otn.lua that guard all invocations
of end_of_math() with checks for the subtype.
I think that the removed math node is a bad thing so that will change in
a next luatex release (i tested a patch but it will not go in the tl
release). (Just like the math node at the end of a line it will have
zero surround in order to make the backend happy.)
In order to avoid the 'current' issue I'll use an overload of
end_of_math in the generic code.
The real solution is to make the built-in end_of_math more strict
(trivial patch ready and tested so that can end up in the next luatex).
With experimental revision 4974 the bug is gone. Thanks!
Philipp
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Re: [NTG-context] [luatex-plain] disappearing math-on node
···date: 2014-04-03, Thursday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 4/3/2014 6:29 PM, Dohyun Kim wrote:
This is a bug report based on the issue discussed at
https://github.com/lualatex/luaotfload/issues/212
\font\tenrm{file:lmroman10-regular.otf:mode=node;script=latn}\tenrm
\setbox0\vbox{%
x\penalty-1
$a$x$a$
}
\unvbox0
\setbox0\lastbox
\unhbox0
\end
The plain tex code shown above fails with a lua error:
luatex-fonts-merged.lua:9616: attempt to index local 'current' (a nil value)
My guess is: as math-on (math-off too) is a discardable item after a
linebreak, the first math-on node has gone away. So the
math-on/math-off pair has become broken, by which the behavior of
node.end_of_math is confused.
mtxrun --script plain test.tex
runs ok here so i need an example that fails with context or luatex-plain
It fails with the luatex-plain format from the minimals as of
yesterday and Luatex 4972:
error: .../context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/font-ota.lua:144:
attempt to index local 'current' (a nil value)
.
\bye ^^@-\par
\vfill \supereject \end
l.17 \bye
Though the issue arises only in node mode.
normally the font callback is called on a hlist and there are always
paired math nodes
(what is line 9616 in the current beta?)
Line 9626 with yesterday’s code. Attached are patches for
font-ota.lua and luatex-fonts-otn.lua that guard all invocations
of end_of_math() with checks for the subtype.
Best,
Philipp
--- luatex-fonts-otn.lua.orig 2014-04-05 15:02:34.711828352 +0200
+++ luatex-fonts-otn.lua 2014-04-05 15:02:36.955171990 +0200
@@ -2375,7 +2375,7 @@
end
end
start = start.next
-elseif id == math_code then
+elseif id == math_code and start.subtype == 0 then
start = end_of_math(start).next
else
start = start.next
@@ -2567,7 +2567,7 @@
end
end
start = start.next
-elseif id == math_code then
+elseif id == math_code and start.subtype == 0 then
start = end_of_math(start).next
else
start = start.next
--- font-ota.lua.orig 2014-04-05 14:55:53.789969704 +0200
+++ font-ota.lua 2014-04-05 14:59:32.487654509 +0200
@@ -137,7 +137,7 @@
last[a_state] = s_fina
end
first, last, n = nil, nil, 0
-if id == math_code then
+if id == math_code and current.subtype == 0 then
current = end_of_math(current)
end
end
@@ -423,7 +423,7 @@
if first or last then
first, last = finish(first,last)
end
-if id == math_code then
+if id == math_code and current.subtype == 0 then
current = end_of_math(current)
end
end
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