Re: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG (Godfrey DiGiorgi)

2010-01-27 Thread Jay Taylor



A short hiatus but now I'm back on the blog ...

  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/fog-at-dawn

Comments always appreciated, thanks for looking!

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Godfrey,
Great image!  I really like your treatment of the lights and their  
play against the deep backdrop adds quite a lot of drama  to the scene.


JayT

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RE: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Bob W
 From: frank theriault
  I'm not sure, but I don't think this is it:
  
  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-art.html
  
  Okay, I was being facetious - but if this is art, it's not 
 good art.
   If that makes me a snob, I'm willing to live with that...
 
 Looks like the bastard child of Hentai and that old big sad 
 eye waif 
 school of painting.
 
 Good photo though. Wonder why they've got the broom stuck in 
 the front door?

The broom is a rather heavy-handed and obvious reference to Fox-Talbot,
which also serves metaphorically and anaphrastically as a door jamb, barring
access to art to those outside, while the plate glazing symbolises the
invisible barrier between the artist and her intended audience. Yet the
broom also unites, for is it not the device over which newly-weds jump into
their reinvented world? And does the broom not then bring together the
sublime and the vernacular, thereby regendering the whole?

Bob



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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread mike wilson

 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: 
 On 25/01/2010, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 
  And even more, if you are
  seriously mayonnaised you are going to do irrepairable damage to the motor.
 
 Hmm, mayonnaised, never heard it called that but the water to oil
 inter-cooler in my Porsche blew an o-ring, the oil and water were
 literally like mayo but the engine survived quite well.

It's often found (less so with modern oils and engine design) in the cooler 
parts of the motor, such as rocker covers.  In an engine that is seriously 
underused, for example making sub-one-mile journeys for a year or so, it can 
start to fill (float on the top of the oil) the sump.  If said engine is 
subsequently used normally the emulsion of oil and water can be drawn into 
the lubrication system where its very poor lubrication qualities can be brought 
to the front with the expected results, especially as, in that scenario, the 
water can be boiled off to some extent.  In your case, I suspect that the 
higher oil than water pressure kept the majority of the water out of the oil.

Small amounts of water in the sump, running around at the bottom of the pan 
with some slight emulsifying, is normal in even heavily used motors - I have 
never known that be removed by the apochryphal Italian tune-up.

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 26/1/10, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-art.html

Okay, I was being facetious - but if this is art, it's not good art.
 If that makes me a snob, I'm willing to live with that...

The broom is art.

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RE: GESO - Sand Abstracts

2010-01-27 Thread Bob W
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/presentation?presentation_id=492318
 

Very impressive - well seen.

Bob


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RE: Paris des Reves

2010-01-27 Thread Bob W
 Bob W wrote:
  I will be visiting Paris from 11-14th April. While I'm 
 there I plan to 
  see the Izis exhibition at the Hotel de Ville. If anybody 
 would care 
  to join me for a Paris PDML ca serait tres sympa.
  
  At the moment Eurostar fares between London and Paris are 
 very cheap.
  Hotels, en revanche, are very expensive because of the crappy pound.
  
  Bob
  
  
 
 Years ago we stayed in a little hotel in the 4th 
 arrondissement near the
   Hotel de Ville. Fourth floor walk-up, WC at the end of the 
 hall and a shower, curiously, in the middle of the room.
 

I've stayed in places like that when I was younger. There was a place I went
to a few times with a gf which was on the rue Quincampoix, just a few steps
from the Hotel de Ville. The street used to be full of brothels many years
before, and Kertesz and/or Brassai photographed les putes there.

http://www.tate.org.uk/tateetc/issue9/images/emblemearthly_unefille.jpg

Such hotels don't seem to exist any more. Either that or my tolerance for
them has diminished as my income has increased.

 Wish I could join you. Street shooting in Paris would be fun.
 

I wish you could too - it would be fun.



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Cranking up the color

2010-01-27 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Cranking up the color, heres a couple I
noodled around with in PS.

http://www.jchriso.com/temp/treestwo.jpg



http://www.jchriso.com/temp/padstwo.jpg

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Re: When did it click

2010-01-27 Thread Derby Chang

John Poirier wrote:
Hi.  I've subscribed to this group since the late '90s but have been 
active only sporadically.  I check in to see what's happening quite 
often, though. Now I'm an empty nester, hoping to have more time to 
participate.  This will serve nicely as a re-introduction.


I got seriously interested in photography in 1971 when I spent the 
first of two summers on Devon Island in the Canadian Arctic.  I bought 
a Taron rangefinder to record the experience.  Greatly enjoyed 
learning to use it. By the end of that summer I had decided  to live 
in the North and to be a photographer..  By 1975 I was living in the 
Yukon and working hard at teaching myself photography. In 1979 I 
landed my first full-time photographic job at a newspaper in Alberta.  
After two years I went North again, to the Northwest Territories, and 
from 1986 to 2006 was the photographer at a museum in Yellowknife.  
These days I'm retired in British Columbia, shooting and selling some 
fine art work.  I've also gone back to my roots, playing with screw 
mount and early K mount gear shooting bulk loaded black and white.


My web site (whcih I don't update often enough) is:

www.johnpoirier.ca

Cheers

John Poirier




Now that is one of the loveliest galleries I've seen in a while. Highly 
gorgeous


D

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Re: PESO The PDML book submission that wasn't

2010-01-27 Thread Derby Chang

Rob Studdert wrote:

Well it, seemed like a good idea at the time, no point putting the
edit to waste completely:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/BigVdub/Pics/2009_pano_composite.jpg

Critiques, comments and condemnations welcome ;-)

  


What? Why not? Could one of these not be a centrefold?

D

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RE: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG

2010-01-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
 Subject: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG
 
 A short hiatus but now I'm back on the blog ...
 
http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/fog-at-dawn
 
 Comments always appreciated, thanks for looking!
 
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That's a gorgeous picture Godfrey. I love the tone you've rendered.

Chris



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Re: When did it click

2010-01-27 Thread Derby Chang

Cotty wrote:

Okay I'll bite.

Given a no-name twin lens reflex when I was 9 by a friend of the family
to photograph a sea voyage between Liverpool and Montreal that I made
with my mother and grandmother and a sister to rejoin my father and
other sister in California. (Montreal to Vancouver by train). Later used
my mum's Instamatic a lot. Then I wandered the streets of Southport (UK)
carrying my dad's 8mm movie camera, filming anything that moved. I was
16. Still am.
  



I think this is endlessly fascinating, how first impressions shape how 
you are today. Not surprising, just fascinating.


D


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Salon des Refusés for the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread Derby Chang


Just thinking, and I don't want to cause any controversy.

After the PDML book comes out, since we will have a surplus of shots, 
would anyone be interested in seeing an internet gallery salon of the 
submitted photos that didn't make it into the book?  I know I would. I'm 
sure that will still be a quality gallery.


D


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Re: PESO The PDML book submission that wasn't

2010-01-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 26/01/2010, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
 Well I rather fancy the 2nd one - all are great, but there is
 something about it that catches my eye.  I think it might be the
 strip of land in the center of a pano...or something.

Hi Bruce, I'm always in two minds about this image, don't think it
would have worked at all well had I not included enough of the area to
the sides. Thanks for commenting. Oh and thanks too Mr Savage.

On 26/01/2010, David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote:
 Yes it is interesting, it's a bit of a break from the usual horizontalness of 
 panoramas.

 I've always found pans to be really hard to do well.

I still do! Cheers

On 26/01/2010, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 Beautiful shots individually. Doesn't work as a unit. The top one is really
 lovely - just needs Jennifer Agutter swimming around in there.

Thanks Bob, I agree about the concept, it was the constraints of the
image sizing for the book that prompted the attempt. At least I didn't
have to Google Jennifer this time, the view was instantly in my mind!

On 26/01/2010, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:

 I really like that, always been partial to compilations like that.

Thanks for the kind comment ;-)

On 27/01/2010, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Very nice. Makes me want to visit.

You'll always be made welcome Paul

On 27/01/2010, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 The 2nd and the last one works for me.

Hi Dave, thanks, I think they all work independently, I suspect it
would require sifting through quite a lot of material to get four
panos to sync harmoniously in this type of format. Cheers

On 27/01/2010, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:

 They're all nice but I like the top one best. I think you could
 slightly burn in the sand at bottom center and left, but that's
 quibbling.

Hi Mark, you're right and I've been caught. The sand was a little
burnt out, maybe I should have used the RAW files instead of just
being lazy and resorting to the in-camera produced jpgs as my source
files ;-)

 The next one down is also really good. I can't decide if the lens
 flare detracts or adds character to the shot. :)

I don't mind it so much, I just wish the loss of contrast wasn't so
great, I guess I could mask it with a gradient and then apply USM with
a very large radius to restore some contrast?

 The third one down isn't anything special and the blown-out highlights
 in the clouds are really obvious.

It's quite impressive at full res, and again the source files are only
jpeg but in my defence the day was particularly bring and if I had
held the exposure to maintain the detail in the clouds I would have
lost a lot of detail at ground level. Unfortunately it was grabbed
quite quickly during a site visit and I couldn't even think of
shooting HDR due to time and equipment constraints.

 The bottom pano of Sydney is really good, but it's been done a lot.

Indeed, that was shot when I was taking some overseas visitors around
to see the sights, it was just a grab shot really. Cheers.

On 27/01/2010, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Still, it's very nice, although I wonder what's going on with the bridge in
 the bottom one.

Thanks for commenting John, it's a bit sad but for many months the
bridge simply had a great section of lights out of action. Cheers

On 27/01/2010, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 The individual images are great, and I like the composite as well.

Thanks Dan!

On 27/01/2010, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 What? Why not? Could one of these not be a centrefold?

Hey D, you're makin' me blush ;-)

The plight of the pano, really only good for a damn long print, a pain
to put in a book and not really suited to most electronic displays,
but I still like em.

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I did finally make a single
submission for the PDML book (thanks for all the hard work Mark et
al.), I think it's OK, it was a hard slog this year, not the most
inspiring and relatively few opportunities (barring my little guy and
work).

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Re: OT - Darn the US isn't Going to allow in Haggis

2010-01-27 Thread Michael Beacom


On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Graydon wrote:


On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 08:40:40PM +, Þráinn Vigfússon scripsit:
If you ever wonder why some northern Europeans drink schnaps with  
their

dinner, now you know.


I have heard it vehemently asserted that any local delicacy  
customarily

consumed with strong drink really exists as a sort of pre-penitential
excuse to consume the strong drink, and that one is really much better
off forgetting the delicacy and sticking to the strong drink.



Well, then- That explains that shot of Jameson's Irish.

Cheers
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RE: Peso Bus for John S.

2010-01-27 Thread mike wilson

 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: 
  
  I still don't.  I never have.  Even though I'm considered 
  overweight, if I just sit in the water my whole body sinks 
  down until I'm vertical with just my nose sticking out of the 
  water.   Like a shark, I have to keep moving in the water or I'll die.
  
   -Charles
  
 
 That can't be right. There must be something wrong with the seawater in
 Minnesota. I see from the map that there's a village near you called Eau
 Claire. I think that's probably your problem - French seawater.

They've been diluting it again?  Grenouilles!

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RE: OT - Darn the US isn't Going to allow in Haggis

2010-01-27 Thread mike wilson

 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: 
 a variant on the McHeimlich manoeuvre

uniquely caught on film here at 6minutes precisely.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA

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Re: OT - Darn the US isn't Going to allow in Haggis

2010-01-27 Thread mike wilson

 Graydon o...@uniserve.com wrote: 
 On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 08:40:40PM +, Þráinn Vigfússon scripsit:
  If you ever wonder why some northern Europeans drink schnaps with their  
  dinner, now you know.
 
 I have heard it vehemently asserted that any local delicacy customarily
 consumed with strong drink really exists as a sort of pre-penitential
 excuse to consume the strong drink, and that one is really much better
 off forgetting the delicacy and sticking to the strong drink.

If you tried that in Poland or Russia you would be dead in a fortnight.

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Re: Salon des Refusés f or the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Derby Chang wrote:

Just thinking, and I don't want to cause any controversy.

After the PDML book comes out, since we will have a surplus of shots, 
would anyone be interested in seeing an internet gallery salon of the 
submitted photos that didn't make it into the book?  I know I would. I'm 
sure that will still be a quality gallery.

That's an excellent idea. It's going to be heartbreaking, some of the
ones we have to leave out.

It would also be interesting to see some shots people thought about
submitting before changing their minds and going with different shots.


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Re: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread Dario Bonazza

Why not a PUG theme?

Dario


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Just thinking, and I don't want to cause any controversy.

After the PDML book comes out, since we will have a surplus of shots, 
would anyone be interested in seeing an internet gallery salon of the 
submitted photos that didn't make it into the book?  I know I would. I'm 
sure that will still be a quality gallery.


D


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Re: they got back to me after all

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
0/1/27 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:

   I've never drunk a photographer.
 
  me neither but I once ate drunken frog in Kuala Lumpur
 
  I once drunk a lumpy koala with eight frogs

 oh did you? well guess what
 I once humped one funky mama in the late fog

 Better than a lumpy monkey and a late dog

 and even better than a grumpy hog with a late clock

 and totally better than the shriveled log of a wanna-be gamecock

 and better yet than a shrimp size cock wallaby playing hard rock

 but not as nice as a toy-boy roadie singin'like a bard.

 never forget boyish toads squish like lard under your car

 or that girly queues swing like hemp in springtime temps

yes but girlygirl's queueballs switch numbers after a drag of l'hempe
de printemps

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 The broom is a rather heavy-handed and obvious reference to Fox-Talbot,
 which also serves metaphorically and anaphrastically as a door jamb, barring
 access to art to those outside, while the plate glazing symbolises the
 invisible barrier between the artist and her intended audience. Yet the
 broom also unites, for is it not the device over which newly-weds jump into
 their reinvented world? And does the broom not then bring together the
 sublime and the vernacular, thereby regendering the whole?

~Exactly~ my thoughts as I passed the storefront, saw the scene and
put camera to eye!

cheers,
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Re: they got back to me after all

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
2010/1/27 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 0/1/27 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:

   I've never drunk a photographer.
 
  me neither but I once ate drunken frog in Kuala Lumpur
 
  I once drunk a lumpy koala with eight frogs

 oh did you? well guess what
 I once humped one funky mama in the late fog

 Better than a lumpy monkey and a late dog

 and even better than a grumpy hog with a late clock

 and totally better than the shriveled log of a wanna-be gamecock

 and better yet than a shrimp size cock wallaby playing hard rock

 but not as nice as a toy-boy roadie singin'like a bard.

 never forget boyish toads squish like lard under your car

 or that girly queues swing like hemp in springtime temps

yes but girlygirl's queueballs switch numbers after a drag of l'hempe
de printemps

or do girlygirl eyeballs spin like vamps queuing for l'hempe de printemps?

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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
2010/1/26 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

 I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed.

Perhaps Gerlich and Tscheuschner could prove it hasn't got its
thermodynamics right and thus is just a plot to harm the economy =P

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Re: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG

2010-01-27 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:
 A short hiatus but now I'm back on the blog ...

  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/fog-at-dawn

 Comments always appreciated, thanks for looking!

Stunning!

cheers,
frank


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Re: PAW - and new web site

2010-01-27 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:00 PM, DagT li...@thrane.name wrote:
 A few years ago a did have a PAW (picture-a-week) but gave it up.  Now, I´ve 
 made a new web site and some more time. The kids are getting big and I got 
 tired of the old web forum I used, www.foto.no

 So, here´s the first PAW
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1002-full.html

 and the web site is here:
 http://www.thrane.name/

No time to look at the new site just now (getting ready to head out to
work) but that's a ~wonderful~ portrait!

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Re: GESO - Sand Abstracts

2010-01-27 Thread Jack Davis
Sand Waves framing is especially well chosen. All pleasing.

Jack

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Subject: Re: GESO - Sand Abstracts
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 5:24 PM
 Interesting. I like Sand Waves and
 Feathers the best. i find those quite appealing. Excellent
 work.
 The others, while intriguing, are less than attractive.
 Like a picture of a weathered and scarred face,
 unattractive can be a point of interest, but I'm torn on
 those.
 Paul
 On Jan 26, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Tom C wrote:
 
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Re: Pentax Optio I-10 sure looks cute

2010-01-27 Thread Tom C
Pentax hasn't really come out that good in comparison tests when it
comes to their recent PS models, at least not in the tests I've read,
and my own personal experience with the 750Z, which is also a model
that sold somewhat on it's looks, was not too impressive.

On the W80 (a model I was curious about) the dpreview reads, in part:

With the W80 Pentax has managed to improve performance in some areas
while losing speed in others, resulting in a middle-of-the-pack
overall result. It was one of the slowest focusing cameras in this
group, taking 1.3 seconds to achieve focus lock (only the Olympus
Tough 6000 was slower).

What do you get when you take a small sensor set behind a wide-range
zoom lens and increase the resolution? The answer in this case appears
to be that you take a camera that produced quite good image quality
and turn it into one of the worst in this group test.

With the increase in resolution has come increased noise levels, the
overall results from the W80 were not as successful as the W60. There
are ISO 3200 and 6400 settings, but with the increase in high ISO
noise they are even less useful than on the W60.

The W80 performed much like the W60 in the water where it was not the
best but certainly not the worst performer in terms of image quality,
with the sometimes clunky menu system proving to be an obstacle to
efficient picture taking.

Pentax wouldn't be my first choice for a PS, unless the given model
stood above it's peers.

Tom C.


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 My bet is this is a collection of off the shelf parts on a generic frame
 with a custom shell.  The only saving grace is the lens might be genuine
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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Tom C
Art is a man with no arms and legs that hangs on the wall.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:04 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 The broom is a rather heavy-handed and obvious reference to Fox-Talbot,
 which also serves metaphorically and anaphrastically as a door jamb, barring
 access to art to those outside, while the plate glazing symbolises the
 invisible barrier between the artist and her intended audience. Yet the
 broom also unites, for is it not the device over which newly-weds jump into
 their reinvented world? And does the broom not then bring together the
 sublime and the vernacular, thereby regendering the whole?

 ~Exactly~ my thoughts as I passed the storefront, saw the scene and
 put camera to eye!

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Re: PESO - Christ Church Cathedral

2010-01-27 Thread Tom C
Ditto what Bruce said.  The person in the second one gives a nice
feeling of scale as well.

Tom C

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 Quite spectacular architecture.  Overall I like the first the best
 due to the ceiling.  But the second exhibits a bit better lighting on
 the lower sections.  Pretty cool stuff.  I bet you were glad to have
 the wide reach of that fisheye...

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 Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:42:28 PM, you wrote:

 RW Two views of the interior, which is one of my favorite spaces:

 RW Looking toward the front from the transept:

 RW http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10576378

 RW And looking toward the back:

 RW http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10576379

 RW (K10D, DA 10-17, ISO 800)

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Re: When did it click

2010-01-27 Thread Bong Manayon
I got hold of my dad's Petri 7s when I was three and the fascination
never ceased...

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 Friend-shooter of mind asked me today, when did it click for you? When did
 you know photography was the game to be in? Oddly, unlike a lot of my past
 history, I could pinpoint exactly the moment

 I was sent out by my then-employer to do some work in Simi Valley, CA.
 Bored, I picked up a Ricoh KR-10M with a modest Rikonen zoom (both long
 since stolen). Landing on the weekend, I went for a drive down PCH to adjust
 my body clock, with a plan to visit the Getty museum. After being rejected
 because I hadn't booked, and after finding a not quite legal park on the
 beach, I saw a pretty lady with a pet pig. Not understanding the honourable
 history of street photography, I begged her to let me take a photo, which
 she did, to my gratitude. It could have gone the other way, but that shot
 made me think, there was something to this hobby. Fine-boned ladies will let
 you take their picture with their pig, what's not to enjoy?

 http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_01/10_01_click/index.htm

 So.when did it first click for you?

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2010-01-27 3:44, mike wilson wrote:


Small amounts of water in the sump, running around at the bottom
of the pan with some slight emulsifying, is normal in even heavily
used motors - I have never known that be removed by the apochryphal
Italian tune-up.


The water is the excuse for an Italian tune up, not the reason. :-) 
Others include carbon on the valves and the ever popular carbon on 
the spark plugs.


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Re: they got back to me after all

2010-01-27 Thread Christine Aguila


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: they got back to me after all


2010/1/27 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:

0/1/27 Christine Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:



  I've never drunk a photographer.

 me neither but I once ate drunken frog in Kuala Lumpur

 I once drunk a lumpy koala with eight frogs

oh did you? well guess what
I once humped one funky mama in the late fog


Better than a lumpy monkey and a late dog


and even better than a grumpy hog with a late clock


and totally better than the shriveled log of a wanna-be gamecock


and better yet than a shrimp size cock wallaby playing hard rock


but not as nice as a toy-boy roadie singin'like a bard.


never forget boyish toads squish like lard under your car


or that girly queues swing like hemp in springtime temps



yes but girlygirl's queueballs switch numbers after a drag of l'hempe
de printemps

or do girlygirl eyeballs spin like vamps queuing for l'hempe de printemps?

Oui! Oui! Like vamps.  And they're cheered as champs for their wow-man pro 
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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread David J Brooks
That is the best painting of a broom i have ever seen.

Nice shot Frank

Dave

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:55 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure, but I don't think this is it:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-art.html

 Okay, I was being facetious - but if this is art, it's not good art.
  If that makes me a snob, I'm willing to live with that...

 ;-)

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread P N Stenquist


On Jan 27, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Doug Franklin wrote:


On 2010-01-27 3:44, mike wilson wrote:


Small amounts of water in the sump, running around at the bottom
of the pan with some slight emulsifying, is normal in even heavily
used motors - I have never known that be removed by the apochryphal
Italian tune-up.


The water is the excuse for an Italian tune up, not the  
reason. :-) Others include carbon on the valves and the ever  
popular carbon on the spark plugs.


The emulsified water in the bottom of the pan isn't substantially  
reduced at high temperature, but condensation that forms inside the  
engine when it's shut down will evaporate if the engine comes up to  
full operating temperature and remains there for a while. Repeated  
short trips that never get the temperature up will cause more water to  
accumulate. I've seen huge amounts of oil pan water accumulation in  
vehicles that were operated without a thermostat in the cooling system.

Paul

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Re: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG

2010-01-27 Thread Christian

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

A short hiatus but now I'm back on the blog ...

  http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/fog-at-dawn

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Re: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG

2010-01-27 Thread David J Brooks
That's beautiful

Dave

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 A short hiatus but now I'm back on the blog ...

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Re: PESO - Christ Church Cathedral

2010-01-27 Thread David J Brooks
A bit more partial to the first one, but both are great.

Dave

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 Two views of the interior, which is one of my favorite spaces:

 Looking toward the front from the transept:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10576378

 And looking toward the back:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10576379

 (K10D, DA 10-17, ISO 800)

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Re: GESO - Sand Abstracts

2010-01-27 Thread David J Brooks
Feathers and sand waves are interesting.

Dave

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com wrote:

 According to Pentax USA these problems are just internet hysteria.

 Joe

Reminds me when i had my first bout of trouble with my then new D2H.
The AF board was/is prone to crapping out leaving the camera useless.
A number of Nikon boards were talking about the problem.
I drove the camera to Nikon here in Toronto. I had to as no one would
call me back, sound familiar.???
I mentioned this stuff to the assistant manager of the service
department and he told me this is very rare and lies spread on the
Internet.
About 2 weeks later a recall on Nikons web site for the D2H and this
exact problem.
Internet hysteria, i think now.

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Re: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG

2010-01-27 Thread Rick Womer
A very pleasing scene and nice composition, Godfrey.  For me, though, the 
rendering is a bit dark.  At the very least, I would lighten the clouds (but 
not the fog) and the water a bit.

Rick

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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote:

 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com
 Subject: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG
 To: SeePhoto Talk seeph...@micapeak.com, DUG 
 digitalusersgr...@yahoogroups.com, baphotoshoot...@yahoogroups.com, PAW 
 Picture-A-Week project p...@micapeak.com, PDML List PDML@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 6:03 PM
 A short hiatus but now I'm back on
 the blog ...
 
   http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/fog-at-dawn
 
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Re: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread Rick Womer
That is an excellent idea, but the way the PUG has been going, the 2011 book 
might be out by the time we see the 2010 leftovers.


--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:

 Why not a PUG theme?
 
 Dario
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au
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 Subject: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book
 
 
  
  Just thinking, and I don't want to cause any
 controversy.
  
  After the PDML book comes out, since we will have a
 surplus of shots, would anyone be interested in seeing an
 internet gallery salon of the submitted photos that didn't
 make it into the book?  I know I would. I'm sure that
 will still be a quality gallery.
  
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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
woo hoo back on track
porsche should have stuck with air cooling anyway
cheers
ecke

2010/1/27 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com 
 wrote:

 According to Pentax USA these problems are just internet hysteria.

 Joe

 Reminds me when i had my first bout of trouble with my then new D2H.
 The AF board was/is prone to crapping out leaving the camera useless.
 A number of Nikon boards were talking about the problem.
 I drove the camera to Nikon here in Toronto. I had to as no one would
 call me back, sound familiar.???
 I mentioned this stuff to the assistant manager of the service
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 Internet.
 About 2 weeks later a recall on Nikons web site for the D2H and this
 exact problem.
 Internet hysteria, i think now.

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Re: PESO 2010 - 020 - GDG

2010-01-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
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Re: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread Dario Bonazza

Rick Womer wrote:

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:


Why not a PUG theme?



That is an excellent idea, but the way the PUG has been going,
the 2011 book might be out by the time we see the 2010 leftovers.


Why? Just stick the SdR theme onto March 2010, shift all other themes one 
month and you're done and timely.


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Re: they got back to me after all

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
2010/1/27 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:

   I've never drunk a photographer.
 
  me neither but I once ate drunken frog in Kuala Lumpur
 
  I once drunk a lumpy koala with eight frogs

 oh did you? well guess what
 I once humped one funky mama in the late fog

 Better than a lumpy monkey and a late dog

 and even better than a grumpy hog with a late clock

 and totally better than the shriveled log of a wanna-be gamecock

 and better yet than a shrimp size cock wallaby playing hard rock

 but not as nice as a toy-boy roadie singin'like a bard.

 never forget boyish toads squish like lard under your car

 or that girly queues swing like hemp in springtime temps

 yes but girlygirl's queueballs switch numbers after a drag of l'hempe
 de printemps

 or do girlygirl eyeballs spin like vamps queuing for l'hempe de printemps?

 Oui! Oui! Like vamps.  And they're cheered as champs for their wow-man pro
 temps.
Oh yeah, them... they live in camps near swamps of beer. Prin temporae
prin mores!

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OT: Clark Little -- Inside the Waves of Hawai'i

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Some great images of Hawai'ian surf:

http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/gallery/index/category/gallery|MainGallery/start/0/MainGallery.html

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Paul Sorenson

I get the same result - just a black box.  Firefox, Win7/64

-p

On 1/26/2010 10:16 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

On Jan 26, 2010, at 10:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

   

From: paul stenquist
 

I created a little website for my virtual tours using Apple's iWeb
about two years ago. It worked well with every browser, including
Safari. I have two Macs: the laptop runs system 10.6, the desktop
runs 10.5. The other day I noticed that my iWeb-rendered website
doesn't work with Safari on the computer running 10.6. Ironically, it
works fine with Firefox. Still works okay on the Mac with 10.5 on
both Firefox and Safari. I'm surprised that the iWeb rendered site
would work with someone else's browser under 10.6 but not with
Apple's own software. I guess a call to Apple tech is in order.
In case anyone is curious, the site is at
http://www.picturethisdetroit.net.
Nothing new. Seen here before.
   

Is it only supposed to be foyer, living room  kitchen?

 

You can also go to the master bedroom by clicking on the stairs. Safari on a 
mac with system 10.6 yields only a black box when clicking a link. Some kind of 
bug there.
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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread P N Stenquist


On Jan 27, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:


I get the same result - just a black box.  Firefox, Win7/64


Thanks, good to know. So the problem is not just confined to Mac 10.6.
Paul

-p

On 1/26/2010 10:16 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

On Jan 26, 2010, at 10:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:



From: paul stenquist


I created a little website for my virtual tours using Apple's iWeb
about two years ago. It worked well with every browser, including
Safari. I have two Macs: the laptop runs system 10.6, the desktop
runs 10.5. The other day I noticed that my iWeb-rendered website
doesn't work with Safari on the computer running 10.6.  
Ironically, it

works fine with Firefox. Still works okay on the Mac with 10.5 on
both Firefox and Safari. I'm surprised that the iWeb rendered site
would work with someone else's browser under 10.6 but not with
Apple's own software. I guess a call to Apple tech is in order.
In case anyone is curious, the site is at
http://www.picturethisdetroit.net.
Nothing new. Seen here before.


Is it only supposed to be foyer, living room  kitchen?


You can also go to the master bedroom by clicking on the stairs.  
Safari on a mac with system 10.6 yields only a black box when  
clicking a link. Some kind of bug there.

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Re: GESO - Sand Abstracts

2010-01-27 Thread Tom C
I was curious regarding the feedback on the eclectic mix.

I think Fallout and Sand Waves are my faves. I liked Perplexity and
especially surface because they could almost pass for closeup images
from space of planets or moons.

Thanks for the comments.

Tom



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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread David J Brooks
I can open the site, latest firefox browser using the iBook. Not sure
what version OX is have, its 10.4 something. How can i tell.

Dave

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:24 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 I created a little website for my virtual tours using Apple's iWeb about two 
 years ago. It worked well with every browser, including Safari. I have two 
 Macs: the laptop runs system 10.6, the desktop runs 10.5. The other day I 
 noticed that my iWeb-rendered website doesn't work with Safari on the 
 computer running 10.6. Ironically, it works fine with Firefox. Still works 
 okay on the Mac with 10.5 on both Firefox and Safari. I'm surprised that the 
 iWeb rendered site would work with someone else's browser under 10.6 but not 
 with Apple's own software. I guess a call to Apple tech is in order.

 In case anyone is curious, the site is at http://www.picturethisdetroit.net.

 Nothing new. Seen here before.

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Re: OT: Clark Little -- Inside the Waves of Hawai'i

2010-01-27 Thread Christian

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Some great images of Hawai'ian surf:

http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/gallery/index/category/gallery|MainGallery/start/0/MainGallery.html



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RE: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob W

From: frank theriault

  I'm not sure, but I don't think this is it:
  
  http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-art.html
  
  Okay, I was being facetious - but if this is art, it's not 

 good art.

   If that makes me a snob, I'm willing to live with that...
 
 Looks like the bastard child of Hentai and that old big sad 
 eye waif 
 school of painting.
 
 Good photo though. Wonder why they've got the broom stuck in 
 the front door?


The broom is a rather heavy-handed and obvious reference to Fox-Talbot,
which also serves metaphorically and anaphrastically as a door jamb, barring
access to art to those outside, while the plate glazing symbolises the
invisible barrier between the artist and her intended audience. Yet the
broom also unites, for is it not the device over which newly-weds jump into
their reinvented world? And does the broom not then bring together the
sublime and the vernacular, thereby regendering the whole?



Uhh ... Ok.

Very calmly now, place the camera on the floor and step away from it.

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Mark Roberts
David J Brooks wrote:

I can open the site, latest firefox browser using the iBook. Not sure
what version OX is have, its 10.4 something. How can i tell.

Dave, click on the Apple menu (leftmost) and choose About this Mac.
You'll get a dialog with basic system information including OS
version.

 In case anyone is curious, the site is at http://www.picturethisdetroit.net.

Works fine in Firefox and Safari on my netbook running OSX 10.6.2
Seems OK on my Windows (XP) desktop, too.


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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Dario Bonazza

John Sessoms wrote:


Uhh ... Ok.

Very calmly now, place the camera on the floor and step away from it.


MARK

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread John Sessoms

From: Tom C

Art is a man with no arms and legs that hangs on the wall.


Wonder if he's related to Bob or Mat?

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Tom C
:)

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 From: Tom C

 Art is a man with no arms and legs that hangs on the wall.

 Wonder if he's related to Bob or Mat?

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread P N Stenquist


On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


David J Brooks wrote:


I can open the site, latest firefox browser using the iBook. Not sure
what version OX is have, its 10.4 something. How can i tell.


Dave, click on the Apple menu (leftmost) and choose About this Mac.
You'll get a dialog with basic system information including OS
version.

In case anyone is curious, the site is at http://www.picturethisdetroit.net 
.


Works fine in Firefox and Safari on my netbook running OSX 10.6.2
Seems OK on my Windows (XP) desktop, too.




Thanks Mark. That's odd. I have to make sure my Macbook has the latest  
version of Safari.

Paul

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread P N Stenquist


On Jan 27, 2010, at 1:16 PM, David J Brooks wrote:


I can open the site, latest firefox browser using the iBook. Not sure
what version OX is have, its 10.4 something. How can i tell.


In the menu under the apple in the left hand corner of your screen  
you'll find about this Mac. Open that, and you'll see the words Mac  
OSX.. Under that you'll find the version number.


All browsers seem to be able to open the site. What some can't do is  
link to another room from the opening video. Don't know why. All  
browsers used to work on all OS. Apparently, only the latest OS -- Win  
7 and OSX 10.6 have problems. Perhaps it's a 64-bit thing.

Paul



Dave

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:24 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
 wrote:
I created a little website for my virtual tours using Apple's iWeb  
about two years ago. It worked well with every browser, including  
Safari. I have two Macs: the laptop runs system 10.6, the desktop  
runs 10.5. The other day I noticed that my iWeb-rendered website  
doesn't work with Safari on the computer running 10.6. Ironically,  
it works fine with Firefox. Still works okay on the Mac with 10.5  
on both Firefox and Safari. I'm surprised that the iWeb rendered  
site would work with someone else's browser under 10.6 but not with  
Apple's own software. I guess a call to Apple tech is in order.


In case anyone is curious, the site is at http://www.picturethisdetroit.net 
.


Nothing new. Seen here before.

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling
Are you saying the display isn't art, or the photograph?  The broom 
makes it art, or at the very least social commentary.  (smiley or not 
your decide).


On 1/26/2010 9:55 PM, frank theriault wrote:

I'm not sure, but I don't think this is it:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-art.html

Okay, I was being facetious - but if this is art, it's not good art.
  If that makes me a snob, I'm willing to live with that...

;-)

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/27/2010 1:56 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Tom C

Art is a man with no arms and legs that hangs on the wall.


Wonder if he's related to Bob or Mat?



Knodk Knock Knock

Door Opens.

Mrs. Smith:  Yes Childern.

First Scamp:  Can Johnny come out and play?

Mrs. Smith:  What are you playing.

First Scamp:  Base Ball

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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/27/2010 8:06 AM, eckinator wrote:

2010/1/26 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
   

I think that the law of gravity is unfair and should be repealed.

 

Perhaps Gerlich and Tscheuschner could prove it hasn't got its
thermodynamics right and thus is just a plot to harm the economy =P
   
Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in 
the dark for no particular gain.  What the authors of that particular 
paper seem to want is good science.  If they made mistakes they can be 
called on it, there's nothing hidden.  Unlike Climate science which 
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Re: Cranking up the color

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

Put a frame around it, sign it A Wharole and call it art.

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Cranking up the color, heres a couple I
noodled around with in PS.

http://www.jchriso.com/temp/treestwo.jpg



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Re: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

Called, Shots not good enough for publication, (or so you thought).

On 1/27/2010 7:43 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote:

Why not a PUG theme?

Dario


- Original Message - From: Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au
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Just thinking, and I don't want to cause any controversy.

After the PDML book comes out, since we will have a surplus of shots, 
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submitted photos that didn't make it into the book?  I know I would. 
I'm sure that will still be a quality gallery.


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More Stupid Questions

2010-01-27 Thread John Sessoms

But at least they're actually Pentax questions this time ...

I'm thinking about the K-x more and more. I currently have the K-10D.

What I'm wondering is this ... Can you swap SD cards between the K-10D 
and the K-x WITHOUT REFORMATTING them?


I don't really care if the K-10D can display the PEF files from the K-x 
or vice versa, I just want to know if I could shoot X-number of frames 
on the K-10D and then move the card to the K-x to shoot Y-number of 
frames more without messing up the frames already on there?


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Re: PAW - and new web site

2010-01-27 Thread Toine
Browsed through the galleries. The anything / somethings are great.
The eye (elephant?) is my favorite!

Toine

2010/1/24 DagT li...@thrane.name:
 A few years ago a did have a PAW (picture-a-week) but gave it up.  Now, I´ve 
 made a new web site and some more time. The kids are getting big and I got 
 tired of the old web forum I used, www.foto.no

 So, here´s the first PAW
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1002-full.html

 and the web site is here:
 http://www.thrane.name/

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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
2010/1/27 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:

 Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in the
 dark for no particular gain.  What the authors of that particular paper seem
 to want is good science.  If they made mistakes they can be called on it,
 there's nothing hidden.  Unlike Climate science which seems to be made up
 entirely of double secret data...

easy now, this was irony meant to bring back humor, so we can all go
back to believing what feels best to us
cheers
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Re: More Stupid Questions

2010-01-27 Thread paul stenquist

On Jan 27, 2010, at 3:20 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 But at least they're actually Pentax questions this time ...
 
 I'm thinking about the K-x more and more. I currently have the K-10D.
 
 What I'm wondering is this ... Can you swap SD cards between the K-10D and 
 the K-x WITHOUT REFORMATTING them?

Probably. I suspect the second camera used will just create a new folder. I've 
used cards in all my cameras that had files on them that I had placed there to 
move them from one camera to another. None were ever overwritten. And cards 
formatted in my K20D work in my K7D just fine. 
Paul
 
 I don't really care if the K-10D can display the PEF files from the K-x or 
 vice versa, I just want to know if I could shoot X-number of frames on the 
 K-10D and then move the card to the K-x to shoot Y-number of frames more 
 without messing up the frames already on there?
 
 No big deal if it won't, I just want to know before I go experimenting.
 
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Re: More Stupid Questions

2010-01-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28/01/2010, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 What I'm wondering is this ... Can you swap SD cards between the K-10D and
 the K-x WITHOUT REFORMATTING them?

Well it works fine between the K-x, K20D and my Zoom H4n so I suspect
the K10D will be fine too, I've even used cards with other assorted
data in the past without a problem. About the only issue I've come
across is that some cameras will baulk at displaying other than files
directly generated by them, which is reasonable.

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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/27/2010 3:48 PM, eckinator wrote:

2010/1/27 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
   

Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in the
dark for no particular gain.  What the authors of that particular paper seem
to want is good science.  If they made mistakes they can be called on it,
there's nothing hidden.  Unlike Climate science which seems to be made up
entirely of double secret data...

 

easy now, this was irony meant to bring back humor, so we can all go
back to believing what feels best to us
cheers
ecke
   


Hey, don't accuse me of believing anything.


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Re: More Stupid Questions

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

On 1/27/2010 3:20 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

But at least they're actually Pentax questions this time ...

I'm thinking about the K-x more and more. I currently have the K-10D.

What I'm wondering is this ... Can you swap SD cards between the K-10D 
and the K-x WITHOUT REFORMATTING them?


I don't really care if the K-10D can display the PEF files from the 
K-x or vice versa, I just want to know if I could shoot X-number of 
frames on the K-10D and then move the card to the K-x to shoot 
Y-number of frames more without messing up the frames already on there?


No big deal if it won't, I just want to know before I go experimenting.

They shouldn't overwrite them if that's what you're afraid of.  The 
behavior best as I can figure out is that the camera will number the 
next image in a folder with either the number after the number or it's 
last exposure, or if there's a higher numbered file on it;s card the 
number after that.  Sort of mindless but it doesn't clobber an existing 
file.  If you're counter is about to turn over , the camera will 
create a new folder, and put 0001 in there and record in that folder 
from there on...


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RE: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Bob W
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-art.html
 
 Okay, I was being facetious - but if this is art, it's not 
 good art.
  If that makes me a snob, I'm willing to live with that...
 
 The broom is art.
 

No, no - it's Bart is in the room

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/1/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Dave, click on the Apple menu (leftmost) and choose About this Mac.
You'll get a dialog with basic system information including OS
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Re: Please Ignore Me (too)

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
that's the spirit =)

2010/1/27 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
 On 1/27/2010 3:48 PM, eckinator wrote:

 2010/1/27 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:


 Hey believe what you want I for one don't want my neighbors to freeze in
 the
 dark for no particular gain.  What the authors of that particular paper
 seem
 to want is good science.  If they made mistakes they can be called on it,
 there's nothing hidden.  Unlike Climate science which seems to be made up
 entirely of double secret data...



 easy now, this was irony meant to bring back humor, so we can all go
 back to believing what feels best to us
 cheers
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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/1/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

on my netbook running OSX 10.6.2

Oh dear oh dear oh dear...

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RE: Clark Little -- Inside the Waves of Hawai'i

2010-01-27 Thread Bob W

 Some great images of Hawai'ian surf:
 
 http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/gallery/index/category/g
 allery|MainGallery/start/0/MainGallery.html
 

Wow - thanks for posting them.

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Ken Waller

And Bob is a man similarily without arms  legs swimming.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - 
From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: PESO - What is Art?


Art is a man with no arms and legs that hangs on the wall.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:04 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:


The broom is a rather heavy-handed and obvious reference to Fox-Talbot,
which also serves metaphorically and anaphrastically as a door jamb, 
barring

access to art to those outside, while the plate glazing symbolises the
invisible barrier between the artist and her intended audience. Yet the
broom also unites, for is it not the device over which newly-weds jump 
into

their reinvented world? And does the broom not then bring together the
sublime and the vernacular, thereby regendering the whole?


~Exactly~ my thoughts as I passed the storefront, saw the scene and
put camera to eye!

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Cotty wrote:

On 27/1/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

Dave, click on the Apple menu (leftmost) and choose About this Mac.
You'll get a dialog with basic system information including OS
version.

Mark Roberts. Closet Mac user ;-)

I don't own a Mac: I have a Dell netbook running OSX so I can
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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread Ken Waller
My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat 
dissapation.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

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Subject: Re: SDM Failure



woo hoo back on track
porsche should have stuck with air cooling anyway
cheers
ecke

2010/1/27 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Joseph Tainter jtain...@mindspring.com 
wrote:



According to Pentax USA these problems are just internet hysteria.



Joe


Reminds me when i had my first bout of trouble with my then new D2H.
The AF board was/is prone to crapping out leaving the camera useless.
A number of Nikon boards were talking about the problem.
I drove the camera to Nikon here in Toronto. I had to as no one would
call me back, sound familiar.???
I mentioned this stuff to the assistant manager of the service
department and he told me this is very rare and lies spread on the
Internet.
About 2 weeks later a recall on Nikons web site for the D2H and this
exact problem.
Internet hysteria, i think now.

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
2010/1/27 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
 My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat
 dissapation.

well air cools just like water - the more you move it the better it
cools - you need good airflow, good oil flow, i.e. massive oil pump,
large oil cooler surface, good case material with proper cooling fins
and so on - the 993 was good proof that it can be done =)

I think they all made the move because water cooling is cheaper for
the same thermal waste output

cheers
ecke

if my understanding is poor, please fill me in!

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Re: PAW - and new web site

2010-01-27 Thread DagT
Thanks Toine.

Yes it´s an elephant and it one my own favorites.

DagT
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Den 27. jan. 2010 kl. 21.47 skrev Toine:

 Browsed through the galleries. The anything / somethings are great.
 The eye (elephant?) is my favorite!
 
 Toine
 
 2010/1/24 DagT li...@thrane.name:
 A few years ago a did have a PAW (picture-a-week) but gave it up.  Now, I´ve 
 made a new web site and some more time. The kids are getting big and I got 
 tired of the old web forum I used, www.foto.no
 
 So, here´s the first PAW
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1002-full.html
 
 and the web site is here:
 http://www.thrane.name/
 
 DagT

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Ken Waller wrote:

My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat 
dissapation.

Yep. Once you reach a certain point in power output, you simply can't
remove heat effectively enough with air. The more complex and more
powerful engines become, the greater the advantages of liquid cooling.
Eventually the engineers at Porsche were faced with a decision: Go to
liquid cooling or get left behind by the competition. You can take the
latter path and sell on the basis of styling/tradition/mystique for a
while, but when the performance gap gets too big you run out of
options.

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28/01/2010, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat
 dissapation.

I'm pretty sure international noise regulations came into the equation too.

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RE: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book

2010-01-27 Thread John Coyle
Me too!

John in Brisbane




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Subject: Salon des Refusés for the PDML book


Just thinking, and I don't want to cause any controversy.

After the PDML book comes out, since we will have a surplus of shots, 
would anyone be interested in seeing an internet gallery salon of the 
submitted photos that didn't make it into the book?  I know I would. I'm 
sure that will still be a quality gallery.

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fooling around with the color controls in PS

2010-01-27 Thread J.C. O'Connell
heres a couple with some mega coloring

http://www.jchriso.com/temp/trees3.jpg  

  http://www.jchriso.com/temp/pads3.jpg

Kinda fun stuff



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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread P. J. Alling

Noise and pollution standards, more likely.

On 1/27/2010 5:05 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - 
heat dissapation.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

- Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: SDM Failure



woo hoo back on track
porsche should have stuck with air cooling anyway
cheers
ecke

2010/1/27 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com:
On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Joseph Tainter 
jtain...@mindspring.com wrote:



According to Pentax USA these problems are just internet hysteria.



Joe


Reminds me when i had my first bout of trouble with my then new D2H.
The AF board was/is prone to crapping out leaving the camera useless.
A number of Nikon boards were talking about the problem.
I drove the camera to Nikon here in Toronto. I had to as no one would
call me back, sound familiar.???
I mentioned this stuff to the assistant manager of the service
department and he told me this is very rare and lies spread on the
Internet.
About 2 weeks later a recall on Nikons web site for the D2H and this
exact problem.
Internet hysteria, i think now.

Dave






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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
I tend to believe you are both right - although I hate to accept it as
much as the water pumper 911. to this day they still come to me as
great performance cars but I cant seem to accept them as Porsches -
love change but not when it comes to perceived legends. But I am happy
for anyone fortunate enough to have the means to own one. I doubt I
will ever have te spare change needed to buy a 993 or older but I have
no ambition to spoils the fun for those who do.
cheers  have one driving
ecke

2010/1/27 Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:
 On 28/01/2010, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat
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 I'm pretty sure international noise regulations came into the equation too.

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Re: Clark Little -- Inside the Waves of Hawai'i

2010-01-27 Thread eckinator
those are great - thanks!

2010/1/27 Bob W p...@web-options.com:

 Some great images of Hawai'ian surf:

 http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/gallery/index/category/g
 allery|MainGallery/start/0/MainGallery.html


 Wow - thanks for posting them.

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread steve harley

On 2010-01-27 12:12 , P N Stenquist wrote:

All browsers seem to be able to open the site. What some can't do is
link to another room from the opening video. Don't know why. All
browsers used to work on all OS. Apparently, only the latest OS -- Win 7
and OSX 10.6 have problems. Perhaps it's a 64-bit thing.


from what i was able to dig up, Apple has close to mothballed QTVR -- 
they no longer support it in QuickTime Player (you have to install an 
old version to get it back in 10.6) and the browser plugin support seems 
to be degraded in 10.6


there are apparently Flash based tools that can suck up a QTVR and play 
it through flash -- maybe consider one of those (not that i'd normally 
recommend a flash solution)



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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:57 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you saying the display isn't art, or the photograph?  The broom makes it
 art, or at the very least social commentary.  (smiley or not your decide).

I was commenting on the print of the female face in the window - the
one with the big hair and teary eyes.  I thought that was one of the
ugliest bits of drawing I'd ever seen - a thought that's confirmed
every time I look at my photograph.

As for my photograph, well, to me it's a photograph, what anyone else
wants to make of it is not for me to say...

;-)

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28/01/2010, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

 from what i was able to dig up, Apple has close to mothballed QTVR -- they
 no longer support it in QuickTime Player (you have to install an old version
 to get it back in 10.6) and the browser plugin support seems to be degraded
 in 10.6

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Re: OT: Strange but True

2010-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/1/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

I don't own a Mac: I have a Dell netbook running OSX so I can
reference procedures for the Mac lab at school. ;-)

You little netbooker you. I'd be interested (off list of course) to hear
what your thoughts are on the OS...taking into account that you are a
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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Cotty
On 27/1/10, Ken Waller, discombobulated, unleashed:

And Bob is a man similarily without arms  legs swimming.

A bloke with a shovel: Doug.

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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:17:10 -0500
frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was commenting on the print of the female face in the window - the
 one with the big hair and teary eyes.  I thought that was one of the
 ugliest bits of drawing I'd ever seen - a thought that's confirmed
 every time I look at my photograph.
 
 As for my photograph, well, to me it's a photograph, what anyone else
 wants to make of it is not for me to say...

I like how the girl is set in juxtaposition to a Warhol Soup Can
print.  I will refrain from assessing what is art but settle for the
name of your image bad_art.jpg  

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread John Sessoms

From: eckinator

2010/1/27 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:

 My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat
 dissapation.


well air cools just like water - the more you move it the better it
cools - you need good airflow, good oil flow, i.e. massive oil pump,
large oil cooler surface, good case material with proper cooling fins
and so on - the 993 was good proof that it can be done =)

I think they all made the move because water cooling is cheaper for
the same thermal waste output


I may be wrong ... won't be the first time ... even in this thread ...
but I understood the reason for the change to water cooling was to make 
it easier for them to implement exhaust emissions controls, or less 
costly to do.


Didn't the EU enact exhaust emissions standards even stricter than the 
US when they finally got around to it?


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Re: they got back to me after all

2010-01-27 Thread Christine Aguila


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Subject: Re: they got back to me after all


2010/1/27 Christine  Aguila cagu...@earthlink.net:



  I've never drunk a photographer.

 me neither but I once ate drunken frog in Kuala Lumpur

 I once drunk a lumpy koala with eight frogs

oh did you? well guess what
I once humped one funky mama in the late fog


Better than a lumpy monkey and a late dog


and even better than a grumpy hog with a late clock


and totally better than the shriveled log of a wanna-be gamecock


and better yet than a shrimp size cock wallaby playing hard rock


but not as nice as a toy-boy roadie singin'like a bard.


never forget boyish toads squish like lard under your car


or that girly queues swing like hemp in springtime temps


yes but girlygirl's queueballs switch numbers after a drag of l'hempe
de printemps

or do girlygirl eyeballs spin like vamps queuing for l'hempe de 
printemps?


Oui! Oui! Like vamps. And they're cheered as champs for their wow-man pro
temps.

Oh yeah, them... they live in camps near swamps of beer. Prin temporae
prin mores!

yes, but their true home is in the valley of tuliped teacups and perfumed 
fairy hiccups! Carpe Diem! 




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Re: More Stupid Questions

2010-01-27 Thread Bong Manayon
Works with me.  The K10D is set to shoot PEF while the K-x is on
DNG--that's about the only thing different in how they're set up.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:20 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 But at least they're actually Pentax questions this time ...

 I'm thinking about the K-x more and more. I currently have the K-10D.

 What I'm wondering is this ... Can you swap SD cards between the K-10D and
 the K-x WITHOUT REFORMATTING them?

 I don't really care if the K-10D can display the PEF files from the K-x or
 vice versa, I just want to know if I could shoot X-number of frames on the
 K-10D and then move the card to the K-x to shoot Y-number of frames more
 without messing up the frames already on there?

 No big deal if it won't, I just want to know before I go experimenting.

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Re: SDM Failure

2010-01-27 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote:

From: eckinator
 2010/1/27 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:
  My understanding was that air cooling was limiting engine output - heat
  dissapation.
 
 well air cools just like water - the more you move it the better it
 cools - you need good airflow, good oil flow, i.e. massive oil pump,
 large oil cooler surface, good case material with proper cooling fins
 and so on - the 993 was good proof that it can be done =)
 
 I think they all made the move because water cooling is cheaper for
 the same thermal waste output

I may be wrong ... won't be the first time ... even in this thread ...
but I understood the reason for the change to water cooling was to make 
it easier for them to implement exhaust emissions controls, or less 
costly to do.

Didn't the EU enact exhaust emissions standards even stricter than the 
US when they finally got around to it?

Emissions laws were certainly part of it, but probably could have been
met simply with computerized fuel injection and ignition if it were
not for the ever-increasing expectations for power per cubic
centimeter of engine displacement: This inevitably leads to more heat
to dissipate for any given engine size.

Horsepower was the overwhelming incentive, with noise and emissions
regulations playing a secondary role.


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PESO - Queen at Tecumseth, Toronto

2010-01-27 Thread frank theriault
I really didn't know what to call this one, so I decided to simply go
with intersection:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/queen-at-tecumseth-toronto.html

Yet another slice of life in the neighbourhood.  Hope you enjoy.
Leica CL/40mm Summicron C/TriX, full frame.

Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - What is Art?

2010-01-27 Thread frank theriault
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Bran Everseeking

 I like how the girl is set in juxtaposition to a Warhol Soup Can
 print.  I will refrain from assessing what is art but settle for the
 name of your image bad_art.jpg

Thanks, Bran, and thanks to everyone else who looked and commented.

cheers,
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Re: PESO - Queen at Tecumseth, Toronto

2010-01-27 Thread Bran Everseeking
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:15:47 -0500
frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really didn't know what to call this one, so I decided to simply go
 with intersection:
 
 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/queen-at-tecumseth-toronto.html
 
 Yet another slice of life in the neighbourhood.  Hope you enjoy.
 Leica CL/40mm Summicron C/TriX, full frame.

Hrmm would have titled it One Way, No Exit but that's me.  Pay
phones? THREE pay phones oi I would have liked them gone but that
is my only quibble.  like the two walking men and the transformer.

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